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13578396 No.13578396 [Reply] [Original]

Satori wants you to "prep the bull"

Will you do it for her?

>> No.13578401

nah son that some kuso ass nigga shit

>> No.13578491

I don't follow

>> No.13578873
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Only if I can join them later.

>> No.13579100

>>13578873
do you plan to let the bull mount you too or just cleanup duty?

>> No.13579106

/jp/ is a blue board.

>> No.13579119 [DELETED] 

>>13579106
Like it matters.

Nobody here has a fuckin' job, nerd.

>> No.13579133

>>13578396

Are NTRfags actually the worst kind of subhuman to every exist?

>> No.13579143

>>13579119
You're trying too hard to fit in.

>> No.13579151

>>13579119
Speak for yourself.
Need to be fucking careful browsing /jp/ at the workplace for certain.

>> No.13579163

>>13579133
ntr is one step away from satori. people who dislike ntr are emotionally crippled. there's a reason why it's the fetish for intellectuals.

>> No.13579182

>>13579163
I didn't know being intellectual meant being so beta and pathetic you have to jerk off on a girl betraying a guy for your filthy ugly self-insert so you can please your ego a little. It's even more pathetic than harems with the center being a faceless man.

>> No.13579208

>>13579182
NTR is for people who hate themselves and are incapable of imagining that they have self-worth even in their own fantasies

>> No.13579212

>>13579100
Which one makes Satori happier?

>> No.13579217

>>13579182
uh rah, uh rah! *waves club in the air* me, big, alpha. me macho! people like what i don't? beat them with club!!! where da women at?

if you're so macho and tough like you pretend why do you dislike ntr? that just means more women for you to enjoy. also, what betrayal? 1-1 relationships are just a construct from our society. your societal aberrations don't apply to me, subhuman.

>> No.13579219

I always here conflicting stories.
Are fluffers a real occupation?

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>>13579212
she'll definitely want the bull to mount you so he can mark his property. that would definitely make her the most happy

>> No.13579263

>>13579217
Holy shit dude.
Just do what you want, I don't even know if I should laugh or feel bad about you.

>> No.13579305

Kill NTR fags.

>> No.13579306

>>13578396
FUCK OFF NORMIE

>> No.13579310

super-kuso thread pls del

>> No.13579321

>>13578396
I hate when artists draw disgusting men.

>> No.13579350

>>13579321
Reminds you of yourself a bit too much?

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>>13579305

>> No.13579382

>>13578396
holy shit that's disgusting.
Not only is it het, but het with a fat, old man?
Ew.

>> No.13579418
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13579418

DUde I am literally, LITERALLY, disgusted! How can you even...?! Wow. Having your own wife have sex with a black man, wow, and you LICKING HIS PENIS. Jeeeeesus.

>> No.13579451

>>13579418
Nice everything dude.

>> No.13579552
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13579552

Fuck you op

>> No.13579695

>>13579217
Why are you providing captions for OPs image?

You also forgot to add a "OOGA BOOGA, KILL WHITEY"

>> No.13579715

The sexual side of a relationship is all about providing as much pleasure to your partner as you can. In an ideal world, people who are into this would be able to indulge it in the bedroom without impacting their relationship outside it.

Unfortunately, neither the world we live in, nor the world of most NTR H-manga are anywhere near ideal

>> No.13579810

>>13579715
It's a good thing I enjoy this purely on a sexual and pornographic purpose.

It's worse than rape.

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13579888

[X] FUCK♂THE♂BULL

>> No.13579915
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Suddenly, I am in desire of a "final solution" for NTR fags and their negro enablers.

>> No.13579948
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>>13579915
you wish. ntr is the sexual master race. and we've got the bulls to act as our shield. all the real tough guys who bang the wives will wipe the floor with you. that's not even mentioning the typical netorare protagonist will also kill vanillafag protagonists like stepping on a bug

>> No.13579957

>>13579350
I actually think that's why they draw them like that, so that ugly men who fap to the stories can self insert easier.

I'm by no means handsome or attractive but I'm not a fat slob.

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>>13579418
>this game will never be completely translated

I'm quoting my despair.

>> No.13579984

>>13579948

Netori "bull" here.
I ain't really on your side.
I mean, I appreciate your service in facilitating my power fantasies and sexual superiority complex, but you are a strange and alien person to me.
Also please stop asking for me to be black and/or fat and/or old.

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>>13579948
>we've got the bulls to act as our shield. all the real tough guys who bang the wives will wipe the floor with you.
Eine Operation ohne Schwerpunkt ist wie ein Mann ohne Charakter.

>> No.13579992

>>13579984
>Also please stop asking for me to be black and/or fat and/or old.
Sorry man, but it's gotta be as degrading as possible. That's how it works.

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>>13579984
You will be the first for re-education.

>> No.13580027

>>13579992

I just.. don't get it. From my perspective I would want to be contrasted against the most perfect and ideal specimen as a matter of starker foil.
Like I said, it is alien to me.

>> No.13580045

>>13580027
It's alien to you because to normal people (and even the NTR'd)'s eyes, you will always be the bad guy, so might as inject bad guy quality into you.

>> No.13580058

>>13580027
Some people just have fantasies about being rendered totally helpless and at the mercy of people like you. It's a fetish - not much more to say.

>> No.13580068
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13580068

there's no proof that even in vanillafag stories the wife isn't cucking the husband. in netorare we see the husband and the guy she's cheating on. in vanilla there's no way to know that behind the scenes she isn't enjoying some other guys dick. her saying platitudes like i love you mean nothing. vanillafags are destined to always be looking over their shoulder and living a life of paranoia that the wife is cheating (she is). 70% divorce rate means like 99% of women cheat and that also applies to fiction
>>13579984
you fapping to netori only makes you a cuck. bull my ass. netori is just double speak for people who want to pretend like they could ever get or steal a woman.

>> No.13580091

>>13580068
Goddamn Yukikaze, stop getting me so goddamn hard all the times.

Even then these games naturally reset themselves after so many "bad" endings so I guess it doesn't really matter.

>> No.13580105

>>13580068

Describing things as going on behind the black is baseless. May as well say every character ever seen is a nazi, as while we don't SEE them heiling Hitler, we also don't see them every second of every day.

>> No.13580110

>>13580068
>you fapping to netori only makes you a cuck. bull my ass. netori is just double speak for people who want to pretend like they could ever get or steal a woman.

This just seems like a non sequitur to me. How's that make anyone a cuckold anyway? The desire to mate is pretty baseline for humanity. Netori just puts a sadist spin on it.

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>>13580105
a wife cucking a husband is like taking a breath of air. your argument is truly baseless since it's so random. we assume the characters have organs, brains, and other simple functions. in that same respect we assume that your vanilla story is just the front end of an actual ntr one the author just didn't write about.

so, even your vanillafag stuff is actually just the husband who's getting his wife stolen, but you don't know it yet.

>> No.13580150

>>13580135
>a wife cucking a husband is like taking a breath of air.
Do you mean the wife actively looking for other partners, instead of her just getting stolen away? Because yeah, compared to the typical "girl gets raped and turned into cock slave" stories that I've seen enough of, that is a breath of fresh air

>> No.13580160

>>13580068
Why do you assume that people who don't like your fetish are vanilla fags? I'm into humiliation in every way, even into girls being shit on and degraded, but ntr for the sake of ntr is awful. I'm fine with it if it's like the girl gets lost in a neverending wonder world of poop that she loves so much she leaves her man, but it's just a neutral thing to me. It doesn't add anything.

>> No.13580163

>>13580135

Baseless assertion. Fictional characters are not real, so we can't really ascribe real behaviors onto them.

>> No.13580169

>>13580150
It's NTR type A, which is very common, but even more common in western cuckold story.

>> No.13580181

>>13580169
I've seen a couple western cuckold stories and they were unmitigated shit.

The only such H-manga I've seen like that was pretty cool though. Maybe I just need to look harder.

>> No.13580189

>>13580181
If you dislike western cuckold stories, I don't see how you would like NTR type A.

It's mostly the same shit, except without the interracial sometimes.

>> No.13580194

>>13580181
What manga? Ver9?

>> No.13580207

>>13580194
The last third or so of http://exhentai.org/g/724366/30d80db8b1/

>> No.13580224

>>13580207
>pegging, cbt
Eh, I remember dropping it on 1st chapters

>> No.13580229

NTR is one of men's greatest insecurities, and insecurities are actually hot for masochist/sadist.

>> No.13580230

>>13580150
what you talking about? if you go to exhentai and type ntr only 1/4 of the stories on the first page are rape ntr. some of those stories are tankoubon which have other ntr which is not rape
>>13580160
what are you even getting at dude? there's a difference between a person who doesn't have ntr as a fetish and somebody who dislikes ntr. your little talk about like humiliation and other stuff means absolutely nothing. so, do you dislike netorare or you simply don't have it as a fetish? if you're the latter what are you even saying? if you're the former you're full of it.

>> No.13580236

>>13580224
I'm into Femdom more than anything else, so I found the whole thing amazing. I guess that's a problem for people who aren't, though.

>>13580229
Exactly.

>> No.13580256

>>13580236
I keep a clear mind about it though, what I find hot doesn't translate into stuff I should do.

And really, if you like femdom, I don't really see how you would dislike western cuckold stories, they are extreme version of femdom, except it's not just physical torture, it even goes as far as leeching the cuck of his money and force him to work as a slave to feed both the wife and her lovers.

>> No.13580272

>>13580256
>And really, if you like femdom, I don't really see how you would dislike western cuckold stories, they are extreme version of femdom, except it's not just physical torture, it even goes as far as leeching the cuck of his money and force him to work as a slave to feed both the wife and her lovers.
2extreme4me basically. Either that or I'm just a damned fool. Maybe both.

>> No.13580286

>>13580272
I guess you love the fact there is a trace of love involved in jap NTR stories.

Western cuckold stories are about bitches and whores who marry only for money and nothing else, no love involved.

>> No.13580288

>>13580272
(To expand on this a bit, the ones I saw had absolutely zero sense of care for the sub guy involved. I remember thinking for a couple of them that they could replace the guy with a rock and it wouldn't make a significant difference. If I remember correctly, they were all about how the other guy was so much better, without actually meaning anything)

>>13580286
>I guess you love the fact there is a trace of love involved in jap NTR stories.
Of course, you just put it in roughly half as many words and much more eloquently than I did. Thanks.

>> No.13580296

>>13580288
Japs love love in general, this is why most rape turns into consensual in the end, even if it's mindbreak.

Western rape is just that, rape.

>> No.13580767

>>13579305
A proposal, if you will. Say Remilia had took a lover before you, and on his death, had sworn her loyalty to him. Would you still try to court Remilia, and if so, would you consider it NTR?

Doubly so if he was trying to hang around as an incorporeal ghost

>> No.13580774

>>13580767
This applies to Satori as well, in case you were thinking of running and crying on your mistress' lap.

>> No.13580779

>>13580767
That would be NTR for sure, especially if that guy is still hanging around in his ghost form.

Only when you are truly dead then it's morally okay to move on (and that means the dead can also re-marry in hell with another ghost).

>> No.13580791

>>13580767
people who dislike ntr will always be the first one begging for scrapes and envying other peoples women. that's why they never mind when they can pretend they're the one taking it in netori scenarios or the husband instead mentioned but she's clearly a married woman. they blame the husband saying shit like he shouldn't be working to pay for her! just check out the comment section of exhentai for a laugh

>> No.13580853

>>13579321
drawing disgusting men is fun and interesting when you're bored of drawing qt underage girls all day.

>> No.13580868

>>13580791
NTR appeals to me as a sexual fetish, I would never consider that shit acceptable in real life.

Luckily, I don't get the hot for 3D girls fucking other 3D men.

>> No.13580900

>>13580068
yukikaze is so cute that I get distressed at the thought that she's having sex with anything other than a faceless self-insert. I have never actually read any Taimanin for this reason.

i just want something cute and vanilla.

What an awful feeling.

>> No.13580934

>>13580900
Don't worry, anon, the next game always resets thing so she will be pure for the next game to be corrupted again.

It's a Lilith game so...

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>>13580900
yukikaze was built for ntr. she's a flower that only blossoms with the semen of other men in her belly and on her face

>> No.13581059

>>13578396
I know that otaku aren't very attractive, but I will never understand why some people actually like seeing a fatass ugly guy doing anything with a girl.

>> No.13581088

>>13581026
The thought anguishes me. There aren't even any vanilla doujin or anything.

I think I'm taking this too seriously, why do I feel such despair that I can't save her? I feel personally NTR'd.

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I'm greatly enjoying this thread.

>>13581026
Hot Jesus

>> No.13581133

>>13581059
It's about degradation.

>> No.13581143

>>13581088
As said, the games will reset, don't worry anon.

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>>13579251
I'd do whatever it takes for a taste of Satorin's cummy pussy.

>> No.13581169

>>13580767
Women can't understand the concept of honor, so I'll have her override her promise with the power of cock.

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>>13581169

>> No.13581199

Why has cuckolding become such a meme these past few years?

>> No.13581217

>>13581199
Social control.

>> No.13581227

>>13581199
A fun and novel way of giving people shit for their taste in fiction.

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>>13581169
Disgusting. From this day forth, you will be my enemy. Please die.

>> No.13581273

>>13581199
more and more people are breaking out of their social conditioning that trained them to be slaves to naive ideals.

even if people don't understand it on an academic level intuitively they realize it's how they'll get rid of societal bondage. ntr is a stones throw away from enlightenment.

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>>13581199

>> No.13581342

I love NTR.

>> No.13581369
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>>13581284

>> No.13581374

>>13581342
Why?

>> No.13581833

>>13581374
I think it's really hot.

>> No.13581893 [DELETED] 

>>13581199
/pol/ is extremely insecure and easily influenced by trends

>> No.13581922

>>13581893
/pol/ is why netorare has taken off in japan? why don't you go back to /pol/ junior. your ego is a bit too inflated. netorare has been trending like crazy and it's nothing to do with /pol/. you can't be an ntr is a verb and cuck is a noun. you can't be a verb but being a cuck is easy.

>> No.13581929

>>13581922
>netorare has been trending like crazy
Yeah, that's probably why VN writers get crucified if they put NTR even in completely avoidable bad ends.

>> No.13581931

>>13581284
Is posting the ending pictures like that taboo or not? I really want to post the cute ending art made by Moe but the rules..

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>>13581929
I disagree.

Sometimes NTR comes out of fucking nowhere.

>> No.13581967

>>13581929
visual novels may be your life but who cares what happens in the average eroge? not me. nukige has tons of netorare, more than ever before. the area with the most growth is magazine releases and doujinshi. both of which are superior to visual novel netorare

>> No.13581985 [DELETED] 

>>13581967
Your posting style is very distinguishable.

>> No.13582014

>>13581985
Let me change that. *blends into the scenery*

>> No.13582187

>>13581967
You seem to be argue for NTR in such vigor that I find strange.

You even mention of enlightenment in the previous post, how exactly does being pro-NTR (in the sense that it's not just a sexual fetish but an actual movement) help you achieve that?

In Japan, it's just that a sexual fetish that exploits people's insecurity, everyone knows that it's bad for relationship. So why?

>> No.13582248

>>13582187
Once you release yourself from considerations like quality of an actual relationship you'll be one step closer

>> No.13582301

>>13582248
Sorry friend, I am an otaku so my mind desires true love, even if my dick finds NTR degradation hot.

>> No.13582390

>>13582301
Unless you're one of those crazy waifufags you probably shop a lot between girls anyway, give in to your base desires already

>> No.13582455
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13582455

Me on the left

>> No.13582463

>>13582390
Nai.

>> No.13582465
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>> No.13583443

>>13582187
what was said by >>13582248 touches on the principle you'll discover if you go down the rabbit hole far enough.

>it's just that a sexual fetish that exploits people's insecurity
is it? i wouldn't be so sure. you feel it's that way and some others do as well too, but people feeling a certain way isn't a true indication of reality or what somethings uses are. groupthink isn't how you're going to reach enlightenment.

>> No.13583455

>>13583443
If enlightenment means stop caring about things and just submerge in base instincts, I frankly reject it.

>> No.13583499

>>13583455
you're submerged into base instincts right now. there's no true logical discourse to argue against this against but with 'muh genes' which isn't even real logic but an appeal to nature fallacy.

>> No.13583504

>>13583499
But I don't, else I would be out in the night raping girls.

>> No.13583522

>>13583504
you aren't raping girls at night cause you'd get caught and thrown into prison which you're scared of. your mind weighs the benefits of rape compared to time in prison and decide it's not worth it. if you were immune to any law enforcement or others such things you'd be out during the day raping

>> No.13583530

>>13583522
So basically, my mind is still thinking and I'm not a rabid dog, hence not submerged to base instincts.

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No one else projects themselves as the girls? This entire thread is arguing from the male pov.

I'm disappointed in you /jp/.

>> No.13583578

>>13583530
the relationship between instincts and logic is a lot more complex than you view it. logic isn't an on or off switch but a muscle that lifts more weight as you become more skilled at it.

let me ask, how much weight can you lift with your logic muscle? average? below average? a bit above? maybe you're the world champion? that's rhetorical so don't answer cause i'm not interested in a pissing contest. the point is, having logic to a certain degree and thinking your logical is an illusion illogical people find themselves in often. if you're being cowed by emotions like jealousy, attachment, and societal bondage then that's simply additional weight you need to lift. at present you aren't doing a good job of lifting this weight at all since this whole rape argument doesn't prove you aren't submerged in your instincts.

you saying earlier 'muh true love' has shown you are totally ignoring what came after it.

>> No.13583588

>>13583578
What come after "true love"?

And I'm fine with emotional burden and shit like that because I can lift that weight.

>> No.13583676

>>13583588
>What come after "true love"?
you can't tell a blind man what the blue sky looks like. he can feel the warmth of the sun, but vivid colors will elude him.

>>13583567
i support you, sister. i just don't like throwing the dogs a bone so easily.

>> No.13583764

>>13583567
Only when playing otome games.

>> No.13583776

>>13583676
So basically you are saying I cannot experience "true love"? Why exactly?

>> No.13583835

>>13583776
true love is an empty phrase. ask a 100 different people what it means and you'll get a 100 different answers. it's a word that doesn't mean anything itself and instead relies on the person who hears it to imagine whatever they can create or leeched from somebody else imagination.

seeking the mirage is possible. reaching it, however, is not. this is a goal without a post people chase without ever reaching. you may hear about 'muh true love', but should recall you also hear about 'muh lord and savior jesus' between shouts of 'muh allah akbar'.

>> No.13583851

>>13583835
It's not an empty phrase in the otaku world.

It's mean about falling in love with a girl, fucking her and enjoy a happy ever after ending.

>> No.13583861

>>13583851
Then starting over and doing it again next month with a new girl.

>> No.13583871

>>13583861
Which is a different main character, a different world.

You inject yourself into that character, but he ain't you.

>> No.13583885

>>13583851
it's an empty phrase in the otaku land even more so than the usual schmuck saying it. you got your heart and mind set on muh true love so this isn't going anywhere. it doesn't need to either. journey in the heat haze and you'll figure out what's what, maybe.

>> No.13583902

>>13583885
Ok, anon. Since I don't know what you are talking about, I will just stop replying.

>> No.13584043

kuso thread

ntr fagots kill yourselfs painfully

>> No.13584188

NTR HIJACK LOL

>> No.13584231

>>13583835
>ask a 100 different people what it means and you'll get a 100 different answers
You'll actually get 100 very similar answers - but nice platitude, Philosophy 101 drop-out.

>> No.13584938

>>13583567
It's pretty fun, but the entire point of the thread was male PoV

>> No.13587467

>>13578873
>>13579100
>>13579212
>>13579251
>>13581161

Thanks, this exchange gave me a boner.

>> No.13587641

why is the bull always black? I'd enjoy cuckoldry or NTR more if it was a white guy...

>> No.13587657

>>13587641
Degradation.

>> No.13587665

>>13587657
but I want to be degraded by a white guy!

>> No.13587666

>>13587641
similar to the appeal of beastiality

>> No.13587682

>>13587665
It's impossible because whiteys are more humanized, unless they are wiggers.

>> No.13587691

>>13587682
but I'll be degraded if he fucks my favorite touhou and makes her enjoy sex much more than I can provide especially with my 4 incher...

>> No.13587703

>>13587641
>>13587665
I'll cuck you.

>> No.13587710

>>13587691
Then you can tell him go get a beer while you mount her up.

No such things with black guys, they are animals and would go on forever. And they always have super long dicks.

>> No.13587716

>>13587710
white guys have big dicks compared to my small asian one!

>> No.13587725

>>13587716
Black guys have even bigger, anon!!!

>> No.13587779

>>13587725
I'm only okay with getting NTRed if it's by a white guy. And I'm sure his penis will look really big especially if it's compared to mine.

>> No.13587791

>>13587779
NTR is about degradation and insecurity, anon, if you feel secure about a whitey fucking your wife/girlfriend, the effect isn't profound.

>> No.13587799

>>13587791
It'll make me feel insecure because I'm asian and he's much more bigger and masculine than me.

>> No.13587806

>>13587799
Oh well, suits yourself I guess.

>> No.13591933

>>13580068
>>13580135
>>13581026

Please post more. I unironically love your posts.

>> No.13592020

>>13591933
Meh, the posts are only good for the NTR fetish and hot as HELL Yukikaze.

>> No.13592122
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13592122

>>13579418
>>13579968
If anyone can translate the text, it'd probably be very easy to completely translate this game. Pic related.

>> No.13593648

>>13587641
As far as 2D is concerned, most of the NTR I've seen and read involves obese and/or ugly guys, but not black ones. The principle behind it--degradation--is the same.

>> No.13598044

I want to prep the bull!

>> No.13609526

bump

>> No.13609568

>>13579992
So, if I'm an autistic, chubby, socially awkward hikki, I'm more valuable as the bull in a cuck relationship?

>> No.13610463

>>13592122
Dump the text and I'll do it.

>> No.13610872

>>13609568
no! I only want an alpha male to fuck my waifu!

>> No.13611507

>>13609568
That's what H-manga like to claim, as long as you're capable of being forceful about it.

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