/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>13425760
Fuck that.
Praise Ehekatl, eat fish.

Can you retards stop turning every thread into a general?

I've been thinking of raising new pets for awhile now.
I'm already pretty far into this character. Is it too late to start with low level pets? I kind of want to raise a halloween pumpkin head as a potion thrower, and maybe a fire baby child or something.

I feel like it would be way too late.

>>13425776
Praise Lulwy, eat crack
losers.

>>13425790
No, and keep crying you autismal fuck. There is a JAV thread, untranslated VN thread, and a whole host of other threads on JP that are generals in all but name. Elona can and will have it's own general then.

>>13425790
you preferred we leak into other threads faggot ?

>>13425776
>>13425846
Praise Creator plebs

>>13425776
>>13425846
>>13425940
Itzpalt is the origin of all elements the king that bears the earliest flame and the master of all the gods.

>>13425760
Don't forget the pastebin.

http://pastebin.com/T2RCwdh8

Not really new player here, but I mostly exclusively dicked around in this game when I played in middle/high school.

Can I use unarmed combat in higher level areas and not get screwed over? I'm trying to play something like a monk.

>>13425813
Why would it be too late? Just gene engineer creatures into your pet to get it to a level you're comfortable with. Then it's just letting them spend money at a trainer and having them come with you to dungeons to kill things.

>>13426027
Unarmed can be made to work in higher level areas. I would pair it with spell casting though. You're going to need a way to heal yourself and dispatch enemies that are problematic up close. That or you can take up alchemy and throwing.

>>13426088
But they'll be incredibly slow and have very low skill levels.

>>13426088
Do you mean like, direct damage spells?

I was planning on buffing up and beating things into submission.

>>13426099
True, but I guess the real question then is do you have patience and will to babysit your pets until they become death machines?

>>13426105
Unarmed is fine when used with tonfas/claws and the Martial Arts special abilities

>>13426105
Yes, direct damage spells. There are some creatures early on where you don't really want to fight up close such as creatures that attack with acid that can damage your armor and other stuff. There's ways to get around this later but early on the simple solution is to get a ranged direct damage source from either spells, thrown weapons, or a ranged weapon of some sort.

>>13426141
Alright, I was going to work on casting anyways.

>not praising yacatect
goyims pls

>Praise _____
>Ctrl+F Jure
>0 results
Truly, Meshera has taken over Irva. All must now be cleansed by Jure's Majesty.

>>13425846
>worship Lulwy
>have Mani in my house
Teehee, she must be so butthurt.

>>13426157
I will have nothing to do with that gold digging whore. Now that I think about it, all the deities have issues. Ehekatl thinks she's a cat, Lulwy is a sadist who is still butthurt over her failed relationship with Mani, Opatos can't stop fucking laughing, Mani is obsessed with machines to the point where he's replacing everything biological about himself (Read as body dysmorphic disorder), Izpalt is a pompous asshole who is butthurt over the God's war, Jure can never be honest with her feelings, and Kumi is obsessed with farms and despite being a guy, looks so feminine that everyone confuses him for a girl.

Shena's ass is the best.

>>13426199
>Mani
>has anything wrong with him
Fleshies, pls.

>>13426219
Truth.

I am grinding this character specifically to kill Mani. I hope to kill his inner god as well.

>>13426199
kumi's also yandere, too.

How math heavy is this game?

I am a GED retard and I was looking at living weapon crafting and it looks like a fucking mess of spread sheet work.

How the hell DID I get an ivy spine at level 20?

I was wandering around the map and found it on the ground. The wiki says Chaos Flowers can drop them but it sounds like it would have 1 shotted me.

Can you summon monsters from a rod/failed literacy check and have city guards kill shit or something?

>>13426199
>Jure literally perfect
>problem

>>13426179
>tfw praise whatever depending on roleplaying value/setting and whatever is best at the time
cum at me bro

>>13426384
It's only math heavy if you are save scumming a lot. Even then it's not too bad. If you're a spell caster and you're min maxing you might have to understand an equation but as long as you at least know BEDMAS that isn't a problem. I put over a thousand hours in without that being necessary though, only started on this recent character.

>>13426384
The wiki has some outdated information. Living weapons are much more easier to manage these days. Max lv for a living weapon is 15 and whenever you lv it you'll be given a short list of effects you can add to a living weapon. You get to choose. Be aware though that there might be a translation error that still exists where the options to give a living weapon bonus elemental damage or give a living weapon bonus to elemental resists are swapped. I'm not sure if that has been fixed yet.

>>13426458
still not fixed, no.

>>13426426
I bet you savescum

>>13426552
le inferno snailtourist metagame meme

The most efficient way to increase stats is to walk around the map with an overloaded cart to farm herbs and eat herbed food with max potential for awhile, right? Maybe cast a spell until your mp is empty before bed for spell levels and magic.

>>13426600

>>13426600
I only come to this board for this general. This >>13426600
is the first post of this kind I've seen in a few days of being here. I want you all to know how impressed I am you lasted so long.

>>13426614
>>13426620
>implying there hasn't been a small population of /vg/tards promoting inferno-only runs

>>13426713
I miss the elona general on /vg/. They were so nice, and most people were playing it for the first time so there was a lot of discovery going on. I remember we got the one person that spoke japanese in the thread to constantly translate things for us.

/rlg/ is shit. You guys are pretty good. Slow thread though.

>>13426746
/jp/ is slow in general. This thread is just a small niche in that small niche.

>>13426713
Who are you quoting?

Let's talk about the pot of fusion. Has anyone had any luck exploiting the offensive crafts like coffins or the throwable bombs? I'm thinking of pumping all my skill points into alchemy to mess around with them.

>>13426780
Well of course, it's understandable.
Just that if I have a question and no one has posted for a few hours since my last question, I feel a bit shit. Don't want to spam and all that.

>>1342681
I'll do this once, but from now on you should lurk more, so you can understand how things work here. The answer is, likely, nobody knows, or no, they haven't tried it if no one answers your question.

>>13426809
>le eopic mayme xDDD

>>13426840
Please don't abuse quotin' function...

My only true god is Yacatect.

>>13426855
dank memes bro

>>13426890
I want to insert my dick into her coin hole

newbie shit again:

1) what should I be spending level up skill points on? should I be saving them for high skill levels (do skills level slower the higher you go or are these bonus points worth the smae no matter waht skill). I assume I should be spending them on the stuff that is hard to increase like performer, travel, or swimming?

2) How do I stop pets from drinking from wells? I don't see it under whip settings

3) does weight lifting train faster at Burden! than at Burden?

4) does cursed food lower stats?

5) what do you prefer in your house vendors? "General" (??) Vendor or "Goods" vendor (wands, herbs)

6) What level garden skill should I save my herbs for assuming I plant and harvest on rainy days.

7) does sense quality train faster with more unidentified items or does it max out skill gains with only 1?

8) once all skills are trained are platinum coins only useful for skill potential training?

9) do you guys level all skills equally (jack of all trades - using blessed scrolls of growth) or focus exclusively on a few core ones (ex melee, crafting, etc).

10) does blessing scrolls of ally give any benefits?

11) how do I increase my pets attribute potential?

>>13426399
Chaos flowers are slow and easy to kill even at low levels.

You could, not sure why you would want to, and it's bad news if they're very powerful (or are aliens or can start fires). I also forget if the summoned monsters will give you a karma hit if they kill townspeople.

>>13427045
Personally i keep my skill point to raise skill potential whenever it reaches 29%.
13% potential per point is a good deal i think.

>>13426811
If you're worshipping Kumi, you can go to Noyel, quaff snow, and get alchemy experience that way to save your points. Kumi helps with regaining stamina from collecting snow.

Alright so I have all three god rewards for iziplalt, jure, and opatos including pets.

What is the best god to tackle now? should I be saving Kumiromi for last (as it is the best god) or is every other god worth ignoring but him right now?

>>13427058
> Anonymous 05/04/15(Mon)09:18:23 No.13427058 ▶

>>13426399
Chaos flowers are slow and easy to kill even at low levels.

You could, not sure why you would want to, and it's bad news if they're very powerful (or are aliens or can start fires). I also forget if the summoned monsters will give you a karma hit if they kill townspeople.

Absolutely not.

>>13427045
I like it when you ask question, I can pay back some of the answers people have given me

1. Use them on skills you know will be important for you. People sometimes say save them, but I say spend them when you need to. Just get the skill to 100% potential and then wait till it needs another skill point. You need your plat early for learning new skills. mid-game you'll wish you saved them, but if you try your early game will be a lot harder, and then your mid game will too.

2. Tell them not to eat food on the ground. Though you may want to let one drink since wishes they get go to you

3. I have no idea

4. I don't believe so, but don't quote me on it. In fact I'm pretty sure I've gained stats from cursed food, but it was herbed so it may not be the best evidence since the herb effect is separate.

5. I have 2 magic, 2 goods, a black market, and a maid. magic and goods both supply scrolls of wonder which pay for themselves with revives and wizard harvest. Plus cheap rod charges, potentials, etc etc

6. If you're planting in the rain just wait for 20 or 30, a lowish level should suffice. Don't worry too much about it.

7. I'm almost certain it does.

8. There's a few things that use them like monthly potential training, upgrading your cart, etc, but for the most part yes. Just keep I think it was 4 on you so you can do the monthly training.

9. Use blessed growth regardless. You'll naturally level to your playstyle and it isn't too hard to keep potentials - continued

>>13427084
Hold on. I thought you could only have two maximum god pets?

>>13427045
>>13427136
keep potentials above 100% in most skills you like. You'll want to level most non-weapon skills at least a little bit, especially considering they'll train stats. Don't worry too much about that sort of thing though. Just keep potentials high, especially on the ones you know you'll need, and it'll work itself out. For instance, I make sure to keep my meditation potential above 100% and I recently hit 400 meditation. I didn't even notice it get so high past 200.

10. I believe so

11. I'm not very good with pets but I think most anything that trains their skill potential also trains their stat potential. I don't think the dojo does but I might be wrong.

Any other questions?

>>13427077
I did that for awhile and still do sometimes. I've been doing a lot of nefia dungeons though so I'm leveling up enough that I can just read growths till 400% potential, then drop 30 skill points on alchemy and level up 5-6 times. Soon I can buy 100 skill points with AP too. Thanks for the advice though.

>>13427084
What class are you? How high level are you/how far through the game are you? I find Kumi early for mages is good for literacy. You might want to do Ehekatl now for the feat, plus you'll train fishing while you grind through her which is useful for gathering alchemy materials later. I wish I did her sooner, missed out on a lot of materials.

>>13427074
I thought training (at least for pp) was a static 20% potential per training in Elona+?

Does the skill point potential = 13% per point?

So you don't train at ALL (PP or skill point) until a skill hits 29%?

Thanks

>>13427136
2) I think I see it the option is wrong translation on my client when interacting (duplicate entry)

5) okay cool. Do goods vendors sell anything else worth looking for other than wands and scrolls of wonder? can they stock potential pots too?

5b) For the black market vendor I was told to get one too and what he offers seems to be over priced garbage. Is his entire point to check for living weapons or is there any other gear that is worth it? (those prices are retarded)

>>13427158
2 default. You can get more depending on your faith.

I think the equation is to divide your (faith) x .10

My current faith (40) lets me have 4.

40 x .10 = 4

Don't quote me on it.

>>13427177
level 37, still farming fire resist gear for the story fire dungeon, playing... jack of all trades.

how does fishing increase materials for alchemy? pond gathering in dungeon I am assuming? higher fishing = higher rewards from ponds?

>>13427226
Skill potential from skill points follow vanilla elona formula for platinum potential, so 15%- for each 15% you already have, rounded down.

I keep my platinum for passive and crafting skills, the first raising slowly and the second raising when i want so they never get low.
In practice i only use my points on weapon/armour skills during dungeon diving.

It would be better in real time to simply overweight yourself and keep refreshing blacksmiths inventories for soxes though, i don't do it simply because it's boring for me.

>>13427045
>3) Burden/Burden!
no. It trains the same, from what I can tell.

>4) Cursed food
No and yes. Vomiting itself doesn't lower stats, but anorexia causes you to get negative gains from stats when you vomit due to it. It's risky in general to eat cursed food.

11) pet potential
You're probably not at the point in the game where you're drowning in potential potions, but, blessing stacks of them and tossing a few at a pet work well. There's also a new ability that lets you share potions across multiple pets at a reduced effect, I think that helps for that.

Otherwise, the new picnic basket works well. Herbed herbs work too.

Damn I never thought about farming herbed foods, catching a hungry demon, bashing it on a ranch, and then eating all my shit.

>>13427417
>negative gains from stats
Should be
>negative gains from food

>>13427226
In regards to >>13427074
In my opinion that's extremely wasteful. You could fairly easily be getting triple the experience from most things, and you're trading that for a tiny bit less work. Platinum does train a flat 20%, all the way to 400. Points increase potential more the lower it is, and decrease a fair bit above 100%. I believe points give 9% around the 100% area (30%ish below) so just get it to 100% and you'll be gravy. Even if it's at 99% you'll still get the full 9% too.

2) It's one of the top two options for the whip. If one is translated right, just use the other.

5) Seeds, herbs, gifts (of every kind, for pennies unlike the guaranteed gift vendors), furniture (I've seen happy beds and bbq sets) sometimes they'll even have a decent piece of armor. I'm almost certain I got a 7 league boots from one on another character. They don't stock potions.

5b) I felt the same way, I still kind of do. They are nigh useless until the point where you have more money than you know what to do with. Close to when you start doing awakened dungeons you'll be getting nearly 1mil every dungeon run. You'll save it up, break a kitty bank full of 20mil, invest all your shops to 500, and not know what to do with it past that. They are useful for artifact fusion and what not. I've bought maybe 3 things from mine, but hey, upgrades are upgrades. They are absolutely not necessary. In fact I would advise against them until much later. Continued

>>13426746
yeah /rlg/ is fucking trash, elona general was nice though

>>13427226
>>13427430
I didn't actually know that about god pets. Neat.

Anyway, if you like using magic offensively I would say go Kumi so you can read better. If not then you're probably mostly using it for the buffs, and those books are extremely easy to read. I'd say Ehekatl, or maybe something else for their weapon if it'll suit you or a pet. Kumi might still be a good option for the gem so you get more mileage out of your plants.

Eventually you will start failing at gathering if your skill isn't high enough. I believe these failures don't give you experience for the skill either. So by raising fishing while grinding Ehekatl you'll raise your fishing, so you can gather, so you can raise your fishing, so you can gather, etc. Angel's tears are part of the potion of potential alchemy recipe, and you only get them from fishing spots, so it's a worthwhile investment. Also picnic baskets I guess.

>>13427379
See now i'm thinking of firing my black market and getting a blacksmith for sox. I love scrolls of growth.

>>13427451
Everyone was just so damn friendly. I miss those guys.

I tried way back then to trap all the gods in a storage house and make them fight in order to kill Mani. I think I'm finally going to kill him on this character. No tricks like that, just kill him. Then I can finally put this game down.

>>13426811
The throwable bombs are good if you can craft one really early, as the sword can heal you in a pinch and the crystal is a rare source of ranged ball effect.

And if you inherit some from a character with really high crafting skills, they can completely trivialize all of North Tyris.

>>13427451
Don't you mean /dcssg/? I never saw them seriously discuss any other game, all they did for the couple weeks I followed those threads was circlejerk over DCSS instead of playing an actually challenging or interesting roguelike. I mean, when the most fucking interesting thing you have to post is "Look at this randart", why the fuck are you even playing?

Was this artist's pixiv account really deleted? He and siro were the biggest Elona artists.

>>13427158
I can confirm that you can eventually get all the god pets.

>>13427486
yeah, dcss general, and just about the most boring roguelike I've ever played, tried 3-4 times to get into it and every time I was just like "fuck, this sucks." I feel you anon.

>>13427486
Oh I didn't even think of giving them to a gene.
Skull sword heals you when you throw it? Also what is the big bomb that uses the magatama? I just made the one with garbage and a mana crystal.

>>13427508
I just checked that out today. I loved all of it, Elona doesn't get much art, but the stuff we do have is great.

>>13427472
>>13427379
What the hell is Sox?

>>13427572
Sox is a weapon type like pantie. Its main purpose is a quest in act 3 that allows you to trade 1 sox of any type, for 2 scrolls of wonder. This is repeatable as many times as you want. Basically if you see a sox, keep it and use it then. You'll have crazy potentials all the time.

I think you can also trade 30 for a special item used in artifact fusion, but I like potentials too much to give that a go.

Actually I have a question about that. The wiki says one of the potential stats on that item is "magic damage", does that mean it invokes magic damage, or it multiplies spell power like the mag-abyss?

>>13425760
I don't want to associate with the gods, in-character reasons, can I wish for the god rewards instead? In particular the gems?

>>13427616
Nope, you have to worthship them to get them since they are precious.
Sometimes RP is suffering.

>>13427508
Those are fucking great. Seeing elona fanarts like his makes me want to tear in my eyes.

>>13427557
Skull Sword deals nether damage, so it heals you when you throw it at something.

The big bomb is a triple version of the smaller crystal bomb. Instead of causing one explosion, it causes three. Damage per explosion isn't any higher, but it hits three times.

>>13427624
The artist killing himself brings tears to my eyes alright.

Why doesn't it say "x twist own arm and slammed jab" when a pet gets a crit anymore? I miss it.

>>13427640
This is embarrassing, I didn't actually know nether damage was life steal. Is it good healing? The bombs are re-usable right? Might craft a really strong big bomb then. Sounds fun.

>>13427646
you fucking whot

>>13427646
wait, what?

this guy killed himself?

>>13427669
>>13427673
Did you read my first post? He deleted his pixiv account. Unless he moved to nijie or has a homepage, he's as good as dead.

>>13427653
"twist own arm and slammed jab" is the text for an absolute piercing attack due to the Claymore class feat, not a critical hit.

A Skull Sword is good healing at the time you can first make it, but it scales poorly. Good early game, poor late game. A powerful weapon with nether damage is an excellent source of healing for a melee or ranged character at pretty much any point in the game. It won't completely obsolete healing spells/potions, but will noticeably decrease dependency on them.

The bombs are re-usable as long as you remember to pick them up. Which I've forgotten more times than I'd like.

>>13427694
Oh I see, what about equipment with that attribute? I love that translation.

Alright neat, time to make some bombs! Where can I get some magatama/magaqua? I know I have one of both but I don't remember seeing any other.

>>13427646
>People with talent killing themselves.
>Retards are getting famous/money for read as stealingusing other peoples content.
The real world is so fucked.

>>13427707
Alas, equipment with absolute pierce just gives a boring *vorpal* message.

>>13427752
Well this is awful.

>>13427709
My friend fell into depression when he heard that people were making triple digits with okay tier artwork, and he barely draws anymore these days.

Feels bad, he needs money but is too down in the dumps to generate any.

New player question again.

How do I find herb seeds? My stat potentials are starting to wane.

>>13427935
Rarely when completing harvest quests.
Statue of Kumiromi from a quest in the first town of South Tyris.
More statues from little sisters rewards.

>>13427935
Anywhere you'd find normal seeds. Assuming you're using Elona+: Harvest time, cute fairy, and best of all statue of Kumiromi.

Herbs won't help your potentials too much, really they train your stats more than increase your potentials. I mean they'll help, but you probably want potions of potential.

On a related note, does anyone else wish they kept the rotting food = seeds from vanilla? Make it for everyone, not just followers of Kumi, but make Kumi increase the chances significantly. I really liked that system.

>>13427969
It sure radically lessened the purpose of vegetable/fruit seeds, yeah.

>>13427957
>>13427969
Ah, alright.

Guess I better work on Alchemy then, I'm spamming dungeons looking for casino chips at the moment, guess I'd find Alchemy materials too.

>>13427969
Yes, I definitely miss the rotting food/seed mechanic. If they would of kept it things would of been so much easier in regards to herb farming and developing stats.

>>13427998
You mean it would be even easier. Farming herbs has never been so easy as of now.

Why do I always hear about living panties? Are they somehow different from other living weapons?

>>13428118
I think they more mean less tedious or more natural than "easier". The vanilla system was really smooth, and it meant nothing went to waste. It just felt good, you were actually happy to see a bunch of veggies rot.

>>13428198
>Are they somehow different from other living weapons?
They're lewd on multiple levels.

When people talk about "herbed herbs"

are they talking about "herb in" on a RARE herb or just something basic like a common herb (stomafillia, curarira)

>>13428486
I don't understand the question. Yes, herb in is the recipe for infusing an herb into another herb but as per recipe description, from the pot for fusion, you will always be using a rare herb in the infusion process whether it be infusing an herb into another herb or just a regular food item.

>>13428540
He's asking if you apply the herbs to a common herb or a rare herb.

That is, if the end product should be Morgia (herb) or should be Curaria (herb).

>>13428198
Panties are one of the few weapons that you can craft. Therefore it's somewhat easier to get a living one. It's also the only ranged craftable weapon.
I have to say >>13428215
is right. There are few things more funny than when your panties crave more blood.

>>13428486
>>13428540
It's possible to use a rare herb as a base and then later you'll need to add another rare herb in the mix. Do people do that? Yes, they do but they also are just fine not using a rare herb as a base too.

Is there a way I can train swimming without having to go back and fourth in water?

>>13428576
Go back and forth outside in the rain.

Before you ask, the magaqua can't be used for training swimming. It keeps you permawet, but also prevents swimming XP gain.

>>13428576
You might be able to find a skillbook of swimming in one of the shelters and steal it. Not sure though. It's an E+ only skill and there might not be a book about it.
If there is just wait for snow or heavy rain or trigger it yourself and spam away.

>>13428582
Yeah I knew about that magaqua bit.

I suppose going outside in the rain means that being slower means that I'll train this skill faster.

>>13428540
It's quite the waste tbh
I mean, stoma and cura you'll always have more than you'd care for, but rare herbs i doubt it.

Just use random crap as the base.

>>13428594
It also means the rain would clear up faster.

What's the best way to train weapon skills? -10 paper weapons?

>>13428737
Go to the void. Go deep enough and enemies will have tons of life and armor letting you train your weapon and spell skills to your heart's content.

I shouldn't be working crafting skills without 100-400 potential due to material costs right?

when can i marry lulwy

any money making tips for an early game-mid game character?

All this investing and potions of potential is draining me.

>>13428769
Astral Light Pen

>>13428781
Cheat Engine can help in the mid-late game.

>>13428781
Sell cargo. If you have high gardening harvest your fruits and vegetables, create food from said fruits and vegetables, and sell them. Open up a shop, go dungeon diving, collect lots of gold from dungeon boss, and sell loot at shop. Do quests.

>>13428812
Cheat engine also helps build dick cravings that culminate into rampant faggot like actions.

>>13428781
Prostitution.

>>13428781
I found Cooking is the best money making skill for early game.
Pick up fishing, gardening to sell your home grown crops, or just take anatomy and sell all the things.
or >>13428839

>>13428821
I know, your mum uses it a lot, she told me in bed.

Alright how the hell do people carry these 500stone altars out of the tower of fire?

I picked it up but my golden knigh god pet can't even carry it.

>>13428850
You have sex with dead people and imagine they talk to you? Well if that's your thing.

>>13428865
Nah, dude, that was years ago. Didn't they tell you what she *really* died of? Well, I don't like to brag, but it did involve her choking, and something about me that's really long and hard.

>>13428864
I haven't tried this but give it a shot. Try taking the altar. Then read a return scroll. Hold space to wait until the return scroll kicks in. Land in house. Drop altar. Would that work?

>>13428864
I used flying scrolls, but this was when they were much more abundant

>>13428897
Return scrolls are blocked when you are overweight. I know, I've tried this before.

>>13428893
Might want to check your dick for herpes then chief.

Altar guy again.

I just got that ring off the tower of fire boss.

wiki says it negates the speed loss from riding, but how?

Also it has the "digest rotten food" property. Does this mean it is treated 100% as fresh?

Will i get full stat gains from rotted food now or does it just make it edible without abusing stats?

>>13428864
Wait until you can carry 250+ stones or so, drop all your inventory at home, go to the tower, then very carefully carry the altar back home. Just like when carrying the nuke early in the game. Use a Hero spell to help.
Or you can pick the altar up and hang yourself with a tight rope.

>>13428913
I wish I had herpes instead. Your mum gave me AIDS! I know I should have asked her if she's had over 50 black dicks in her before, but what can I say, I'm such a delightful and trusting guy. But well, I guess I'm sorry for you, too.

>>13428948
No need to feel sorry. I've long since dealt with it. I'm just sorry that you're going to eventually die.

>>13428962
Woah, dude, are you fucking immortal? Shit man, I mean - the amount of cock you must have sucked since... forever.

>>13428916
Wiki might meant one of these things:

>When your riding skill is low and your mount is fast, giving it negative speed might improve the speed you get after the maths behind riding are done.

Or

>You can wear anything that gives you negative speed, the speed you will have when riding is not yours but your Horse's anyway.

>>13428947
Don't forget to cast return though.
And regeneration.
And contingency.

And don't press F3.

>>13428988
Why are you so focused on dicks anon? I see that cheat engine is working well on you.

>>13428988
I'd be the biggest whore if disease-immune and immortal tbf
Can't wait for VRs to do just that in fact.

>>13428999
Return wouldn't help since he'd still be overweight.

>>13429035
You can return when overweight normally.
It's cargo overweight that stop return.

There's overweight, and then there's overweight-to-the-point-that-you-can't-move. If you have 250+ stone in carrying capacity, then yeah, you can still cast return and be ok after a few turns.

If you have less than 250 though, return'll fizzle upon competition.

>>13429004
Just staying on the topic you know all too well. Wouldn't do to be using confounding terms you're not familiar with now, is it?

>>13429051
Is their a max wt for items you can put in a 4th dimensional pocket? Would that work?

>>13429062
From wiki: 4-Dimensional Pocket

Casting cost: 61 MP
In-game description: Summon 4-Dimensional Pocket
Effect: Invokes access to a magical storage that does not weigh anything. The pocket keeps items safe and fresh corpses fresh (like the cooler box), but can only be accessed by means of this spell. Can store (15+L) items, up to a maximum of 300, and each individual item or stack of items placed in storage can not weigh more than (5.0+L) s.

So, sort of, yes, if you have... 495 levels in 4 dimensional pocket...? ...

Maybe the 4 dimensional mirror furniture may help? I've never tried THAT before, personally. Actually, I'll wiki that, see if I can come up with an answer...

>>13429071
... Aww, nevermind - 4 dimensional mirror only allow up to 40 stone.

>>13429062
5+spell level.
You'd need lvl198 4Dpocket with 2,5x enchance equipment.

>Leveling 4-dimensional pocket makes it better
I'm glad I level all of my spells that are at 400%.

>>13428850
Told you in bed? Did you get ass pounded by his mom with a strap on then? From what the other guy is saying it culminates into faggot like actions.

>>13429106
I used to do that too. I ended up with mediocre spells that I never used.
I'm fine with leveling slower and have only a few higher level spells.
Thanks to 4d pocket and 20+ magic device I never run out of stocks.

>Leveling spells talk
What spells DON'T get better as you level them up? Not taking into account spell casting success of course.

>>13428864
you can always dump anything valuable at your house/give it to a pet, pick it up and let it crush you by waiting
unless your in hardcore in which case your gonna have to get lifting.

>>13428781

It should be an established fact that rushing dungeons is the best money making mech in this game even if you still gain 200k gold per dungeon.

And why are you still investing? Are you investing beyond level 200? That's literally wasting money tbh Yacatect should be slapping your ass for a week straight

This fucking <Sophia> will die. Just 50 more skill levels left and I will return to kill this slut

>>13429637
When you people are saying "rushing dungeons", what do you mean ?
There's obviously just rushing for the boss, but there's lot of stuff on the ground like scrolls and potions ( sometimes really rare stuff like speed upper, attributes etc ) so i just can't not explore.
Seems like a waste.

Can I sell cooked dishes at my store without the fear of these dishes rotting?

>>13429666
Gambatte Satan-sensei !

>>13429670
I think the same. But maybe it's worth rushing if you really just want money.

>>13429671
The dishes will never rot as long as you leave them in the shop.

>>13429670

Objectives anon. You only want the money am I right? Even if there's tons of scrolls of gain attributes, scrolls of growth, speed uppers that you've missed you should not care since you only want the money.

>>13429671
Yes, I tested it earlier myself.
Personally I want to know if I should be selling artifacts or not in the store, I have a shit ton of useless ones I don't need now.

>>13429686
That's good to hear, I guess I can dump my cooked dishes without them going to waste because my farms are far away from the nearest seller.

>>13429686
>The dishes will never rot as long as you leave them in the shop.
Are they? Back in 1.41 I used to sell them via shop without rotting issues. Then I take a break from the game, and in 1.44 all remaining food in my shop become rotten. Didn't find anything about this in changelog.

>>13429732
It was probably because of the updating.

>>13429726
Keep in mind food in your shop rots almost instantly if you pick them up again after a while.

>>13427848
I've been there, I'm slowly crawling my way out of the hole.
support your friend

>>13427508
This is seriously depressing

>>13429473
I heard harvest is a negative leveling spell.

So, rod of Alchemy, can this thing make gain attributes or other noteworthy scrolls?

>>13429891
added: or basically anything else of worth?
So far I'm seeing nothing but crap.

>>13429891
I stopped caring and simply draw the charges.
Don't seem to be worth the bother from my dozens of tries on diverses categories.

But maybe there's a trick, like being in a higher dungeon level or having high luck, or a specific category have higher chances for desirable results ?

>>13429473
I think contingency maxes out pretty early. I know its turns don't go past 66 and the effect doesn't go past 80%. I mean it'll consume less stalk regardless though.

Return? Though I have this theory that high level return lets you return with more and more overweight, but I haven't tested it. Make door I guess. Make wall.

Wish gets harder to cast as it levels. Though it may still consume less stalk so if you can keep your casting high along with it it might still be an ok trade off.

>>13429856
Nope. I buy every scroll of wonder I can. I'm at level 125 wizard harvest and I promise it doesn't negative level. Stock consumes slower and you get more rewards. I've never failed to cast it either.

>>13429906
Maybe you need a high luck in real life.

Ok here's one. So let's say I've been walking back and forth with a 10 speed overloaded cart to farm herbs. I have two other fields full of artifact seeds ripe for picking.

Do I wait for a lucky day?

>Bunch of NPCs in the way on the stairs in the shelter
>Teleport other them the fuck away.

So my holy shield says it will last 92 turns on my spell page, in actuality it lasts 139. Is that because of my magic stat? So the bonus from magic doesn't appear on the page?

>>13430133
You got some item with enchance spells equipped.
Mag-abyss, insanity staff, scythe of void are garranteed for example.
Check weapons in general for the attribute.

>>13430140
Oh ok I see. So the multiplier from that doesn't show on the page, thanks.

>>13430025
Seeing that the game saves after you harvest the artifact, my logic tells me that it's decided what you get in that instant. Lucky day should improve on it. Wonder why I never thought of doing that.

How do I remove this message from appearing everytime l start the game.

>>13430213
Its in the options.

Hey is there an element that's more effective than the rest? I've been thinking about heavily preferring lightning spells over the rest, partially for character reasons, partially just because I like lightning.

>>13430234
Just stick with magic damage
Most monsters get heavy element resistances later on

>>13430234
I've made two mage characters that have gotten to beating Siva. My old one used lightning and my current character uses magic damage. I can't recommend magic over lightning enough.

Elemental scar and wet status make lightning viable sure, but applying elemental scar to a boss monster is terribly annoying, and it adds an extra cast to any kill you make even ignoring bosses. There aren't many monsters with magic resistance past little. Sure there will be a few that you can barely scratch, but you should be carrying rod of change creature anyway.

If you want to roleplay a lightning mage then go for it, it's not like it's actually bad, it's just not as good. Personally I would suggest dark over lightning if you aren't going pure magic though, blind is damn useful.

>>13430251
I don't have in mind so much a lightning mage as an apostle of one of the gods. Specifically Lulwy.

As far as goals go, I tend to go about my business seeking offerings for my god, as well as spreading her good word. I play unarmed mostly because I am trying to avoid actions that venerate other gods. So I don't use firearms because they're associated with Mani, and scythes because Kumiromi uses one. I do not wield a bow because that would mean not giving a bow to Lulwy, and chances are the bow I would choose to wield would be the best bow I could get my hands on, which would mean giving to Lulwy all the bows I found except the very best bow I found, which is unacceptable.

Magic is something I haven't thought too much about. I figured I shouldn't use rods because Itzpalt likes rods and staves, but now I think I shouldn't resort to classical elemental spells, like fire, ice and lightning, because Itzpalt of Element.

>>13430400
Well I don't know too much about RP but Lulwy gives you a bow, couldn't you use that? Also pure magic isn't associated with Itzpalt. Neither are the spells boosted by nightmare, as far as I know.

You could just build an unarmed monk I guess. Use the magic buff spells to help. Level speed like a mother fucker and just be sanic. Lulwy likes sanic, so cast speed to your heart's content.

Actually, question for you. Is Lulwy responsible for the ether wind? I always thought she was because she's the god of wind and her weapon is made of ether, but her statue's quote during ether wind "you expect me to turn a hand in this filthy wind?" suggests otherwise.

>>13430415
According to the vanilla storyline, the Ether Wind is essentially an immune response by the Vindale Forest to the Meshera.

>>13430415
I had a much longer post typed out but I accidentally got rid of it, so this is going to be shorter than I wanted.

Currently I'm not using the ether bow because I figured ether equipment isn't conducive to my character's long-term health, but I could possibly justify it by saying it's a sacred artifact of Lulwy and I have no right to wield it.

You've pretty much described what my character build is going to look like.

As for the etherwind I don't really know. The other gods seem to take traits from the concepts they are associated with though, and so it's a bit on the strange side that a wind goddess would be so aggressive.

>>13430467
Wind rages pretty harshly actually.

>>13430461
I thought the Meshera were only brought in in Elona+? Vindale forest is where the tutorial guy came from, right?

Does pet gear get burned/acidburned? What about precious items?

I have to take a trip to the tower of fire and proofing everything is taking a while.

>>13430563
yes, it can get burned/acid burned. Not sure about precious stuff
you can just slap a fireproof blanket on them instead of fireproofing everything though

>>13430569
I only have one pet and her blankets never seem to lose charges, that's why I asked. On the other hand, we don't get flambe'd very much unless she decides to leap into a flame wall.

I'd better keep shopping then.

>>13430504
No, we only deal with the Meshera personally in Elona+, but it's originally mentioned in the Vanilla storyline.

The story that happens via cutscenes (that don't appear in the English version) during the main quest of Vanilla Elona is about Saimore, the prince of Zanan, creating a plot to make the world destroy the Vindale Forest. By doing so, the Meshera go wild and eventually destroy all life on Irva.

Turns out that his co-conspirator Barius essentially has a clone of the forest so that the all-life-ends scenario doesn't happen, and hopes to use it as leverage to create the perfect society. Of course, corruption happens and that all goes to shit, so.

Anyways, the South Tyris portion of Elona+ is mostly us dealing with the aftermath of the vanilla storyline. The wiki has a translated version of the vanilla story, btw. http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Story

>>13430578
eh, i assumed blankets would of worked on pets
make sure to kill Vesda if you haven't already, it makes tower of fire a cakewalk with the perma fire res boost corpse + gloves

>>13430569
>>13430578
It can get burned in combat. The tower is an environmental effect though, I'm not sure it affects anything except you.

>>13430594
Yeah, towers fire floor only affects you so its best to just ditch anything non-vital for that part

>>13428486
>>13428561
Does this even make sense? If the base herb is better, why infuse it instead of eating them all seperately? If the infusion is better, why waste a herb as the base when you could herb a quality normal food?

>>13428198
>you were actually happy to see a bunch of veggies rot.

Nothing wrong with compost.

>>13425760
Oh fuck, is she okay?

>>13430635
The herbed effect and food are actually calculated at different times. You lose nothing from the base food when you herb and eat it. It is more resource efficient to just herb curaria or normal food, but it's more time efficient to herb rare herbs. Really depends on what resources you have at hand.

Goddamn stacks of blessed scrolls of wonders are god-tier. I save those up until I have 100, bless them, then read that shit all at once.

Don't even really need books anymore.

>>13430677
Of course they are. I have more revives and meteors than I know what to do with. Wizard's Harvest more than pays for the scrolls too, and then some.

>>13430635
A couple of reasons why a person may go with an herb base instead of a normal food.
1) Person is working on a specific stat and doesn't have the normal food associated with said stat but has an herb on hand that does. Infusion increases stat gains to food, even herbs. So said person infuses an herb to an herb.
2) Person doesn't have high enough gardening to yield the crops needed to create foods with the maximum bonus. Herbs then are better to infuse. Again, infusion increases stat gains to food.
3) Person generates so many herbs that he just gives no fucks and should spend his herbs less they weigh him down or go to waste.

>>13430752
Question in regards to gardening bonus on food.
I have 200 gardening but usually just make parfaits from fruit trees in my house because I don't want to grind harvest time quests. Does gardening apply to trees? Is the bonus very big, big enough to merit grinding harvest times?

About to grab a Ranch, any particular thing I should aim for first?

Also, in the event of those stat training mobs, do higher level/higher level versions of the mobs give a better increase to the stats they train?
Like say, a Red putit or Cupid of Love versus a Regular Putit?

If I astral light pen my home shops, can I buy from them while I'm on the road?

>>13430640
probably. there's no inferno mode in vanilla

>Prior mentions of picnic baskets
Should I use herbed foods for crafting these?
Or does it not count?

>>13430774
I haven't harvested food from trees in a long time so I may be wrong but my gut says the bonus you can get from gardening won't apply to the trees. As for the merit what merit are you talking about? The merit of high gardening and planting fruit seeds? The merit is very good then. At high gardening you'll pull a +10 fruit allowing you to create a +10 parfait. The bonus you multiply to the normal value the food gives you to stats. So lets say you make a grand parfait, excellent for training magic, base value is 130 but multiplied by 10 is 1300. Better than the Mareilon herb equivalent which gives 1000 or so.

>>13430865
Wait, it just straight multiplies it by the +number? Well fuck, guess I should go gather some fruit seeds. Thanks. Off to Yowyn.

>>13430865
>The bonus you multiply to the normal value the food gives you to stats. So lets say you make a grand parfait, excellent for training magic, base value is 130 but multiplied by 10 is 1300. Better than the Mareilon herb equivalent which gives 1000 or so.

That's not how it works. The "+10" gets added to the base nutrition of the food. For Fruit and Magic, that's 50.

A normal Grand Parfait gives 115 MAG experience (before potentials come into the equation). A +10 Grand Parfait gives 138 MAG experience.

Also, Mareilon gives 800 MAG experience.

This was just posted on the wiki today: http://pastebin.com/EEC6shXH

>>13430896
Now this makes sense. It has always felt that the Mareilon herb gave me more magic gains than the +10 grand parfait.

Though It didn't make sense to me because like the other guy was talking about I too was under the assumption that the +10 got calculated to the grand parfait. Guess we were both wrong.

If that's the case herb infused herbs should always win out against normal food infused with herbs. Not to say people should stop infusing normal foods with herbs but if you have the supplies to make herb infused herbs you definitely should.

>>13430941
If you're going to herb herbs, it best to do it with stomafilia and curaria. You will always have leftover curaria/stomafilia. Rare herbs will be your bottleneck.

The best rare herb gives 1680 xp across stats. Herbed food gives 7200xp across stats. The curaria and stomafillia needed to make the herbed food only costs 1350 xp. You lose a minimum of 4170 potential xp among stats by herbing a rare herb instead of making another herbed food with it.

>>13430987
How does herbed food give more xp across stats when regular food used as a base is weaker than using an herb as a base?

>>13430810
Think of picnic baskets as a group Potion of potential and only that.
You eat food, like herbed stuff to train stats.
Using up herbed food for something that won't train stats, only their potential is a waste.

>>13431040
Because the "herb effect" and the food's normal gains are completely different.

Just the fact that a food is herbed means it'll give a minimum of 7200xp across all the stats. It doesn't matter if that's a grotesque putit corpse or a morgia - the fact that it's herbed means it's worth 7200xp at a minimum.

Rare herbs- Morgia, Mareilon, Spenseweed, etc. are the bottlenecks to making herbed food, since as their names suggests, they're more rare. If you put the herb effect onto the best rare herb, the food is now worth 8800xp across all stats- 7200 from the herb effect, and 1680 from the herb that you eat.

If you instead use that rare herb to "herb" another food (so that you now have two "herbed" foods), the total xp from those two foods is a minimum of 14400xp. You cheat yourself out of a massive amount of stat xp if you put the herb effect on a rare herb (any of the herbs other than curaria and stomafilia).

Curaria and Stomafilia make good food to add the "herb effect" to, but never put the "herb effect" on Mareilon, Alraunia, Morgia, or Spenseweed.

>>13431068
I read that as:
Eat herbed curaria for more all-around stats.
Eat herbed rares for higher gain in a single stat, and do this only if you have 18 herbfarms.

Yes I'm looking at you...

>>13431068
Ah I see. Thank you for clearing that up for me. So in order of best xp gains and bang for your buck is it like this? Herb infused with herbs (Curaria or Stomafilia as a base) best. Regular food infused with herbs second best?

Rare herb infused with herbs is a special case and should be reserved only for people that have 18 herb farms like that one anon said?

>>13431167
Yes, that's pretty must the just of it.

>>13431203
Cool, thanks anon.

So I'm trying to decide which abilities to get with AP. Barrier is really tempting. I still haven't gotten over the fear of being one shot, even though it happens very rarely. Metal guard also sounds fairly useful, how long does it last? The wiki doesn't say.

I haven't gotten to try out AP feats/abilities on other characters. Can anyone offer opinions?

Can someone clarify the games options ? Some options are too vague and cant be understood just by observing

>>13431463
With your level and mana Barrier shouldn't be that bad. Metal guard lasts only for a few turns but those few turns can be deciding. It's a skill I would use as a last resort. Can't you just "buy the skill again" to remove it and get the AP back? If so I'd test it if I were you.

Also, why don't you spend some music tickets for hero cheese?

>>13431463
Doesn't barrier cause damage to subtract from your mana as long as you have more than 1/3 of your max mana? It looks like you have a lot of mana because you're a wizard but a couple of strong hits from an atlas or a strong mob would destroy your mana bar. How do you do most of your damage? Spells? If that's the case you're going to need your mana bar with as much mana as possible to take down things and having your mana bar deplete through hits is not going to do you any favors. Hows your magic capacity? If it's high then maybe you can make it work. If you use pets for your damage then maybe barrier can work as well.

I'd recommend Brave at least. Maybe obstinate for the lower chance the enemy will crit you as you take damage. Obstinate might not be that great though because you probably have contingency casted. So your call on that. If none of the traits or skills interest you I would highly recommend you convert your AP points into skill bonus. When you do this you'll get 100 skill points to distribute. Not too shabby.

>>13431555
I think I'll give metal guard a try then. I can't take down Yerleswood right now because it almost never hitting me, and contingency being 80%, it does one shot me. Might as well spend the one awakened dungeon of AP to take it down.

Also, you can buy hero cheese with music tickets?! Holy shit. I didn't know. Best way to get them is just party time quests ya? Guess I'm grinding those for awhile. Thanks anon.

>>13431561
Ya that's what it does. I do all my damage through spells. My pets are mostly there for distraction as I didn't have the fore-sight to raise pets from the start. I've been thinking of taking Kouku. The thing is, if a hit would destroy my mana bar then it would probably kill me anyway. I play and build around just not getting hit, but sometimes one does slip through, and then it's a gamble if I'll teleport next to an enemy or be able to heal up, if I don't just get one shotted. Oddly contingency doesn't help as much as I'd like.

I'll definitely be picking up the skill points soon, but I also think it would be a bit wasteful not to get a feat or two, since their effects can't be replicated just through grinding.

>>13431583
You're welcome. One cheese costs 35000 tickets but I guess you make more than me with my lvl 77 and I make around 600-1000 per party time. Depends on the room.

>>13431602
Well I mean I haven't been training my performer at all. It's only at 47, and I don't know how it got that high. Still, speed would play a part I guess.

Time to get grinding, thanks!

>>13431602
Increase your speed to ensemble more during party time quests
This greatly boosted my ticket income when I just started pouring AP into speed

>>13431618
On it. currently 456 base, Saving up all the shoes, hermes blood and speed uppers for when I hit the cap.

>>13431620
That's the way to do it anon. Once you hit awakened dungeons you'll get a big burst of AP too. Also you might luck out and get a few speed 11 nefia cores. Working on this little baby with those.

You'll be sanic in no time. Also, what's your perform at? Doing some spring cleaning before I get back to grinding and I want to try to figure out how many tickets I'll be getting. My pets all have perform but it was recently engineered into them, so ensemble might not get me as much as just performing normally.

>>13431647
and I forgot my picture

>>13431647
My perform is at 49. My pet's perform are around at 100-130.
Two of those pets were little girls, and I picked up performing because it trains their charisma which is, according to the wiki the base of their Cheer skill. I couldn't get their chr to even budge with gene engineer for some weird reason...
Now I have a really nice way to boost up my Speed with Speed Uppers for 8000 music tickets after the dreaded speed cap hits me.

Is there a reliable alternative to spending coins at trainers to develop skill potentials? This is going to be a bit of a pain when the training costs start to shoot up.

>>13431775
Scrolls of growth.

>>13431797
Should I just assume I'll have to get magic vendors up to a point where they'll sell them consistently?

>>13431802
I've never seen mine sell them. You can trade them for sox in lost irva. Save any sox you get until then.

>>13431808
My, that's a while away.

I think the plat coin starvation won't be too big a deal for a while though.

Anyone tinker around with the astral light pen much? I have so many gifts stowed away, I want to put them to use.

>>13431819
Just spend your skill points on priority skills that are below 100%, it won't be too bad.

>>13431819
Kill dungeon bosses. Some of them will have medals on them. Take the medals to Garok's shop. Exchange 15 medals for a scroll of Growth. Get a stack of them and bless them before using. By blessing them you'll raise the potential of every skill you have. Use enough blessed growth scrolls and you'll have 400% potential in all skills.

>>13432014
Jesus christ, that's awesome.
Guess I'll go scrounge up the medals in the cities then.

>>13431775
Training cost caps at 15 if I recall right..

>>13432073
Maybe in vanilla. I think it caps at 30 in +

>>13432073
>>13432109
New skill cost caps at 15 in E+, skill potential + caps at 30.

Brought down Yerleswood. This mecha hits incredibly hard. Takes half my life away on a hit and a crit would probably turn me into a blood smear on the floor. Fortunately, he's pretty slow, only 276 speed, so with enough speed you can easily afford to do hit and run tactics. What I did was get close enough to throw a volley of magic darts and when he went to shadow step in I'd just teleport away to heal up, pace back and forth for mana, and set up for another attack run. Casted contingency for some insurance against that random crit. Pretty much if you have high enough evasion, good health, and high speed Yerleswood should be a corpse in waiting.

I picked up the Pile Driver off of him. Looks like it would do good damage. I was thinking of giving this weapon to my Valkyrie as she's my melee pet but that hit modifier is pretty bad. I can just see her dragging this along the ground and struggling to use it. Is this a good weapon for a melee pet? What are some good weapons for a melee pet?

I realized the other day that small medals are from Dragon Quest and moongates are from Ultima.

Awakened dungeons level you too damn fast. My stats can't keep up and then I feel weak even though I only got stronger.

I actually can't choke down herbs fast enough. I gained 3 levels from one floor in that last one.

>>13432968
You mean the sprite? Cause the concept for small medals could be from anywhere.

>>13432968
Yup, and a lot of other things are references or clearly inspired by Yugioh.
Elona does references pretty well actually. Things are usually really subtle and easy to miss. The only glaring one I can think of is the bioshock thing.

>>13432990
They're the same exact thing in DQ. Appearance, ways to obtain, and function.
http://dragonquest.wikia.com/wiki/Mini_Medal

>>13433010
Bells are also obvious metal slimes.

>>13433020
I'd argue that a lot of games employ enemies in the vein of bells and metal slimes, but the metal race seals it.

Were any of you around when vanilla was still being developed? How did Noa treat the project? I feel like he kind of made Elona on a whim and just sort of made the whole thing really masturbatory. Not that I'm complaining.

>>13431554
One of the most important is the "wait time" one. If you set it to Faster or Fastest, the animations for resting, fishing and other stuff take less time to complete. Definitely helps after you're playing for 200+ hours.

>>13433047
Woh woh, what? That's an option? Oh fuck. Thanks anon.

>>13425760
I want that huge farm of hers!
I sorta wish there was a farm deed as big as a dungeon and mostly of those brown tiles...

>>13434290
Speaking of which, does anybody know how bad planting seeds outside dirt tiles affect them?

>>13434347
Bad enough for me not to plant herbs outside of it. Anything else goes, but I'm struggling to keep up the quantity of fruit and veggies. So I guess there is a limit to non farm tiles where plants have a guarantied chance of failing. Or that you need gardening 2000 for those tiles to work properly.

>>13434347
You can farm outside the dirt tiles and the plants will grow just fine allowing you to harvest them. Just don't count on getting a free replant of the plant you just harvested unless you have very high gardening and even then it's rare. This applies to fruits and vegetables.

For herbs absolutely do not ever plant them outside the dirt tiles. I have never ever gotten a free replant of an herb plant outside of the dirt tiles. Considering how herb seeds are harder to come by farming only in dirt tiles is the way to go.

This coming from a 300 skill gardener.

>>13434397
>For herbs absolutely do not ever plant them outside the dirt tiles. I have never ever gotten a free replant of an herb plant outside of the dirt tiles

That's because if it's not raining it's literally impossible. Even when it's raining, you have a maximum of 20% chance to replant (reached at gardening 200).

All this data is on the wiki, ripped out of the source for 1.43

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gardening

>>13430677

Maybe you don't even have spells in 50k+ stack that's why you don't need books

I'm guessing using the houseboard to have more dirt tiles doesn't count?

The amount of Kumiromi-slutting is very intense tonight!

>>13435049
you know you like it

>tfw getting all hot and bothered when calculating how long buffs are going to last at lvl 2000
Oh my...

>>13435027
There's no option to place more dirt tiles. You wouldn't need multiple herb farms else.

What's Elona+?
Has Elona been dropped? Or just the translation?

>>13435451
Oh boy. You're in for some nice stuff.
Elona HAS been dropped. Elona+ is a mod that picks it up where it had been left. And Elona and + was always translated... mostly, you just had to chose English when you start the game.

>>13435470
Cool.

I heard some stuff about Elona being dropped quite some time ago so I stopped playing it and I don't frequent /jp/ much at all.
Time to look it up

>>13435477
Elona+ also has the blessings from the original game's creator, so it has some legitimacy

>>13435477
Be prepared that a lot has changed. I mean a lot!

>>13435526
>>13435536
Also is there level scaling in elona+?

>>13435558
As in do enemies their level scale with you if you level up.

I have a fire@dragon. He's trained in martial arts, has the smash tonfa, the twin edge and I got him tactical martial arts.
I noticed that when he uses attribute it's not unusual that he hits 3 times and invokes 3 times. Now that's nothing you haven't seen but if the kills nets him AP he gets that heart throb symbol thing 3 times. Is that just a visual glitch or did he really gain 3x AP?

>>13435571
The static dungeons are static, but the game generates random dungeons according on how well you do, Your level, how far did you get in the main quest, what's the highest level dungeon you cleared, what your fame is, etc these all count in on what you might encounter.
You will never fight a lvl 200 demigod in the puppy cave though.
Yes there is a level scaling but you won't see any TES4-like bullshit.

>>13435558
>>13435571
Some enemies do scale to you, but not based on your level. All scaling, in places it occurs, is based on your fame.

The maximum level enemy that can appear in a random encounter is partially determined by your fame. Likewise, bandit ambushes derive level directly from your fame.

>>13435599
>Your level, how far did you get in the main quest, what's the highest level dungeon you cleared, what your fame is, etc these all count in on what you might encounter.
Incorrect. Random dungeon level is derived from the continent it spawns on, main story progress, and highest level dungeon cleared. Your fame and level have no effect on random dungeon levels.

>>13435705
Thanks for clearing that up, I was never really sure about level. Fame does scale robbers in the wilds, no?

>>13435738
disregard that I suck cocks
and apparently don't read whole posts only what was addressed to (You)

>>13435705
>>13435599
Thanks guys

Is there an easy way to get a Pot for Fusion?

I wanna start making herbed food.

>>13436060
Buy it in the general store, or look for it in the puppy cave.
It's just as common as any crafting tool.

>>13436097
Oh, well I feel bad for asking that now.

I assumed it would be somewhat different because it was added in by the mod.

>>13436105
At least the thread's moving, but do please read the wiki for stuff you'd google for.

I vote for the Night Father Boromir, because one does not simply invoke the wrath of sithis!

>>13436473
the votes havent been working since elona classic. So about two years now.

>>13436473
>>13436545
You a busta if you don't vote for The Drunk Suika Ibuki

Any pet can give eggs when you ranch them, right?
I haven't seen any yet.

>>13436654
Any pet can lay eggs but plain old chickens will produce more eggs. Not to mention they breed fast as rabbits.

Speaking of ranches, what does everyone ranch? I haven't found anything I really want to breed. Right now I'm ranching beetles for my pets to eat but I feel like I can do better.

>>13436654
Yes, but different pets have different laying rates.

Alright I think I am ready to open a shop.

Problem is I am only level 37 and have no shopkeeper.

Best bet at this level (still on story quests and dungeon level ~25) is a rogue class slave from derphy?

>>13436895
probably, don't worry about it too much since you can just buy crazy high monster balls after beating zeome

>>13436767
Putits for putitoros, mandrakes for mandrake salads, trolls for special meat buns and chicken for eggs.

>>13436688
I just ranch horses that I got from Yowyn. All I care about is eggs to use for large picnic baskets and maybe killing a couple horses for meats to create fertilizer. The breed rate for horses are decent.

>>13436926
Mandrakes have such a low reproduction rate though. I ranched one for 3 years and didn't get a single offspring. What do special meat buns do?

Not the guy asking above but can someone clarify these options?

Game settings -> Extra help
Game settings -> attack interval
Game settings -> Record

Detailed Setting-> Auto Numlock
Detailed Setting-> Screen Refresh

Message&log-> add time info
Message&log-> Transparency
Also is there a third party program to put this into third party windowed? I hate how it shifts my multiple monitors and changes resolution to the pathetically low 1280x768 max

>>13436932
gives your a 2000 turn buff that gives bonus to Str and Con growth.

>>13436989
Why not just edit the config.txt?

>>13436926
I have heard of putitoro. Are they for stat training or selling?

Also why chickens over more putits? Do they really have a modifier to creator more eggs or is it a function of breeding speed?

>>13437028
768 max height means it leaves desktop visible and pushes it towards the top (instead of centered with black bars.

I also like the window zoomed a bit more and the player area seems bigger using the games own scaling.

>>13437038
on a whim
I only did that to test the egg laying capacity. I was about to beat Zeome and thought that I make another ranch for chickens and let them breed during the two year timeskip after Lesimas. They really lay more eggs. I collected like 50-60 eggs from the chickens and about 35-40 from putits. On a funny note I collected enough milk to make me 5 meters taller.
I'm thinking about destroying the ranches, Potions of potentials and gear that maintain multiple stats are getting more and more common for me.

Oh and putitoro gives a 2000 turns buff that helps training charisma and learning. It's not really worth to sell. They sell for 6k-ish but I make around 200k-300k from a dungeon boss+ extra. I just eat them.

So now that my meteor spell is high enough to do actual damage to me, and everything else, I'm starting to worry it'll be fatal one of these days. I already have superb+ fire resistance, should I just artifact fuse a bunch more fire resist in? Contingency is up to 80% but I still don't trust it.

>>13433047
>>13433054
Thanks again anon, you really helped me out. I can't believe how much easier this makes everything.

Everybody love Shena's ass

>>13437205
Sorry, but I am married to Gwen the innocents and her loli butt.

get that skank out of here.

>>13437205
I notice Loyter in the background...that bard is going to die soon.

Regeneration increases stamina regen as well? Hot damn, gotta power level this.

So what is the deal for speed training, is this it in general?

Keep travel and swimming at high potential

save all raw shoes and bless all hermes blood. After 2-3 skill ups Speed Upper to reset potential?

I hear people spending AP on speed, this should be done when speed from potential/shoes/blood slows down at high levels?

>>13437504
In order of efficiency you should first raise your speed through AP. You need to beat South Tyris to raise your speed over 500 with AP and the cap amount of speed you can get with AP is 800.

So first raise you speed only through AP until you reach 800. Then use all the hermes blood, speed uppers, raw shoes, etc to increase it. Your aim is 2000 speed.

How often do nurses in parties cast healing rain in E+? I got my shit handed to me in a low-level fight and my nurse actually casted healing rain, but after recovering all of my dead pets she didn't do any healing.

>>13437567
Cool thanks.

I guess i'll be a speed starved hobo until I get there.

Does anyone know if food rots in 4-dimensional pocket?

>>13431061
>Picnic baskets are potions of potential for your whole party.
Hmm, I'll have to invest in a ranch for eggs then.

>>13437772
I think they only train by 2% per pop though and it is time consuming to farm the mats.

You also lose out on herb foods because it bloats you and it is almost always easier to get a new pet once they stagnate anyway.

Why don't I see Soma on the pot for fusion recipe list? I have 200 in both gardening and alchemy. I want them stats.

>>13437818
That's it? Fuck that, then.
I'm about to try crafting a living lightsabre, is there a general guide for what to do when raising a living weapon?

>>13437934
I was wrong

It's 2% MINIMUM and takes into account food bonus so it is worth the time if you can constantly make 3/4/5+ baskets.

>>13437765
Food that you place in the 4th dimensional pocket doesn't rot while it's in there. Don't try placing rotting food in there in hopes that it will freshen it up though. That won't work. 4th dimensional pocket will just preserve your food in its state when you put it in there.

>>13426458

>>13438081
It actually work.
Test it yourself.

The thing is the rotten food freshen when you take it out, while in there it'll show up as rotten still. Also the sprite do not update.

Handy for selling fishes or corpses you forgot/didn't had the time to cook.

>>13437236
He's even got a rock ready.

>>13437818
>>13437934
They train all stat potentials by X%, where X is the + modifier. A picnic basket +10 trains all stat potentials by 10%.

I think I am about ready to kill the main story boss on the bottom floor of Lesimas.

Is there any goals/tasks I should do before I kill him and complete the story?

Whoever was asking about cursed flying scrolls last thread, they double the weight of whatever you use them on in Elona+.

>>13438324
I guess just wrap up loose ends with side quests. Make sure you've already begun the little sister quest and maybe complete the Mia cat freak quest to get that heart that helps in dominating monsters if you plan to play around with pets.

>>13438440
Why begin the little sister quests?

also for the heart for monster domination do I risk losing it on death?

Speaking of death can you lose ANY item in your inventory when you die or are precious items protected?

>>13438453
The little sister quest deals with killing big daddies and throwing special monster balls, provided by the quest giver, at the little sister that the big daddies drop when they die. You then bring back the little sister to the quest giver. Collect enough little sisters and you'll be allowed to pick from a list that contains all the previous precious items you've collected so far. This is excellent for getting copies of powerful items or replacing precious items you've lost.

One of the major reasons why people do this quest and will want to start doing it early is because while in South Tyris you'll come upon a quest that rewards you the statue of Kumiromi. With the little sister quest you can get copies of this statue thus jump starting a relative stable supply of herb seeds which people are using to boost their stats.

The heart can be loss on death I think. Precious items can't be stolen but you can lose them on death I think.

>>13438503
alright cool thanks.

for the little sister quest can the reward be defered until I have a statue or do you just keep them (in ball form) in your house?

>>13438532
The little sister quest has no end. When you capture a little sister with a ball instead of going in the ball the little sister will instead join your party. Just send it back to town and have it wait there like any other pet. You can then just bring out the little sisters when you're ready to turn them in.

Holy shit catching monsters is a billion times easier with the Knockout feat. I always thought I was doomed to never catch that silver cat.

Why didn't anyone tell me this.

>>13438577
It's a very circumstantial feat. Most solo players wouldn't really care for it but a pet player could find uses for it. For instance, using the feat to weapon a creature that you would otherwise kill in one blow so your low level pet could swoop in, kill it, and hopefully get AP in the process.

Is dual wielding ever worth it?

What about for pets?

Seperate question:

For pets do item limits (weight, dual weilding, shield usage) contribute to spell casting failure or are they always 100% (assuming they have high casting skill).

>>13438791
saight

Is there any way to regain/delete the permanent HP and MP losses from the nosave penalty? I've crashed several times while preaching before I caved and used elosnack, and while I'm supposed to have well over 100--I check right before I preach--I've been dropped down to 80 HP and about a 10 MP drop, which keeps me from even casting things like healing rain.

>>13438912
Nevermind; I found the stats in the sdata.s1 file just gotta figure out how to fuck with the base stats, since their numbers are fuckhuge

Is there a penalty for flying scrolling weapons/armor in +?

or was it removed and there is no reason not to make all my gear medium or light?

>>13438791
Dual wield if you play mostly as a melee. It has the potential to do some really nasty damage. It also trains faster than 2handing or sword&board simply because you swing a lot more per turn.
Never dual wield if you are a mage or mostly ranged character. Mages need all the cast chances they can get, and rangers are better off equipping tonfas and claws to boost ranged damage. same for pets.

No, pets come with a 95% chance of successful spellcasting and it won't go higher or lower. You can have your exile wear Heavy armor with no penalties or whatsoever.

>>13439182
There's no penalty as such, but weapons and armor do get bonus damage and PV respectively for being heavy. It's a linear function with respect to weight. Per item. A full set of superheavy gear gives crazy bonuses to PV. A superheavy weapon gives amazing damage output.

>>13439222
>>13439182
I'm lvl 51. I have 2 magic shops at rank 150+. I am the King of Nefia which means rank 1 in dungeon diving since like forever. I never rush dungeons, because I found most my nice stuff on the floor in one of them.
Yesterday I finally found my very first Flying Scroll.

tl:dr I doubt E+ is that generous about generating flying scrolls for me to test them without save scumming or debug mode.

>>13439222
Wasn't the bonus damage and PV removed in + in regards to alterations with flying scrolls? Pretty sure weights independent of that now.

>>13439215
Warmage pets have 100% casting chance.

>>13439683
Is there a way to business card and change your pets class to get another bonus?

>>13439695
No idea. Hand one to them and see if they use it.

>>13435705

>Random dungeon level is derived from the continent it spawns on, main story progress

Only the highest dungeon level cleared is accounted for dungeon level spawns

>>13437236

Idiot, Loyter is obviously looking at Whom Dwell in Vanity from afar.

>>13439759
No, he's right.

I'm sure 4chan is going to butcher it, but I don't have time to post it somewhere as I'm literally about to walk out the door to go back to work.

Code from the source (with de-obfuscated names):

if ( rnd(5) ) {
if ( MaxDungeonLevel < StoryProgressVar * 1 / 4 + 1 ) {
MaxDungeonLevel = StoryProgressVar * 1 / 4 + 1
}
NewDungeonLevel = MaxDungeonLevel / 2 + rnd(MaxDungeonLevel * 4 / 5 + 5) + 1
}
else {
NewDungeonLevel = rnd(50) + 1
if ( CurrentContinent == SouthTyris ) {
NewDungeonLevel = rnd(60) + 40
}
if ( CurrentContinent == LostIrva ) {
NewDungeonLevel = rnd(80) + 70
}
if ( rnd(2) == 0 ) {
NewDungeonLevel = rnd(StoryProgressVar * 1 / 2 + 1) + 1
}
}

>>13439775

and when Loyter needs some close up stalking, he'll get out of the bar. Truly a one sided love

some chinese fujoshis are making an Elona otome-ge...

>>13440018
>an elona game without autistic grinding
Heresy.

>>13439247
Nah, I have about 30.
I feel like I should use them since I'm a fairy, but I don't know what to use them on. Already used a few on insanity staff and a rubyness hat.

>>13440018
Is that supposed to be Kumiromi? My god.

>>13439222
>>13439344
Since 1.39, armor and weapons get a +1/5s to PV and damage, respectively, up to a maximum of +40. Prior to 1.39, the bonus was +1/10s. Flying scrolls have worked in changing the bonus since Elona+ 1.10.

>>13437862
I think you need to buy the recipe from a gift vendor first.

>>13436989
Auto Numlock turns numlock off when you start the game, in order to use the numpad for movement. Transparency is for making old text in the log more or less transparent. 100% opacity makes it never darken.

>>13438324
Set up ranches in preparation for the time skip.

Should I even bother trying to cure these right now? I would imagine the rain would be great for planting.

>>13440849
I wouldn't. Rain is good for swimming as well.
Though next time you get something nasty and quaff a cure corruption pot just watch as all your "good" ether disease symptoms fly away and the bad ones stay...

>>13440870
How good is the mana battery one?

Talk about lucky, I sent my general goods vendor away and when I was going to recruit someone else, I managed to snag a fourth magic shop merchant.

The limit is very definitely not two.

>>13440875
Should add that I'm not that guy.

>>13440870
Unblessed potions of cure corruption cure the two most recent symptoms, while blessed cures the three most recent symptoms. If you would like to keep a symptom, make sure you have recently added two or three symptoms since.

So I seem to have 4 pages of gifts I bought from my two goods stores. What should I do with these? I don't have an astral light pen, and even if I did other than snail thr android rider I don't see anything worth taking. Maybe for artifacts?

Suggestions?

>>13442287
Butter up adventurers for new years gifts.

>>13442330
Oh that's a good idea, thanks anon. They're all going to love me.

Are there any other obscure Japanese with this level of community support and development? Or at least feels similar in content and effort by the developers. Preferably but not necessarily a roguelike.

>>13442336
Could try Elona shooter(As the name hints it's part of the Elona Universe) and One Way Heroics.

>>13440632
that bonus doesn't sound like it is worth the hassle does it?

average gear being 4-15s when you could increase your casting success with ~medium armor.

>>13442363
Is one way heroics really that good? I've heard things but I sort of shrugged it off, and I don't know why.

>>13442336

Oh, and Japanese only is fine too. I have the feeling a lot more hidden gems are in this direction anyway.

I played through Elona shooter until I was pretty much optimized a couple years ago. It was amazing fun. I'll give one way heroics a try.

What items do you guys throw in shops?

most shit has a low sale value it looks like.

>>13442581
Artifacts, because the items you gain from the shop have the quality of the exchanged item, and high value non-artifact, because money.

>>13442594
Alright.

For Artifacts what do you mean by "they have the quality of the exchanged item".

Also by high value non-artifacts you mean stuff like cargo, high furniture, scrolls of orcale/name, potions of cure mutation, etc?

>>13442602
I was talking only about equipment stuff, only weapons/armours.
Quality as in miracle/godly, the exchanged item ( "you gained x item" during the report, means exchanged item instead of getting money for it ) will have it. More chance for useful stuff doesn't hurt.

For non-equipment items, you can sell it at 33% max ( at 100 negociation ) while the shop can sell it at 50% max, but you need a pet with 288 negociation.
Unless you do, sell everything that's not weapon/armour yourself.

>>13442416
I wouldnt really say its the same quality as Elona, but its definitely fun. Got 30 hours outta me.

Is there an easy way to train control magic?

If I hit them with an aoe (but don't kill them) does it lower their relationship level still?

example:

The older dog sister glares at you.

>>13443049
No it doesn't do anything harmful. The only thing to watch out for is pets that enrage like Destroy Boar. I think the ability is called run wildry. It's the one that has the little flame above their head.
I've had my boar enrage because it was low health and apparently this gives them a special kind of swarm that hits allies. He killed me twice is what I'm saying.

Are you raising it for a line or ball spell? I raised mine by herb farming with an overloaded cart then just casting magic storm until my mana bar was drained, sleep, repeat.

>>13443065
I am leveling it with surround spells which I guess means balls.

specifically ice/fire balls.

>>13443110
Give your pet high fire/ice resist and go to town, you won't lose anything. I don't know if it gains more experience from hitting multiple pets either.

When should I stop investing? My magic and goods shops are all up to 550ish. Black market is up to 900.

>>13443382
There's no upper limit really.
Besides, at some point money is only good for investing so...

>>13440632
I just tested a cursed flying on an earth lightsaber in Elona+ and it didn't increase anything but the weight.
Is it an invisible variable you have to check your stats to see the difference of?

So I just updated to the newer version and suddenly there's this Omega thing on the ground. What does those do?

>>13443382
Blackmarket at least caps chance for a level upgrade (great to miracle, miracle to godly, etc.) at 4000 in E+. Armory caps chance for great items to be the base level at 1000, though it's still a crapshoot. The luck-based item level increase can give you another upgrade on top of that, which caps at 5000 luck.

The old adage is that the overall quality of shop stock never quits scaling with shop level. I don't know if it's actually true or not. I've done some work on de-obfuscating the shop generation function, but the shop generation code + item generation code is several thousand lines. It's not likely I'll ever continue to look through it.

>>13443510
>>13443692
I gotcha. I don't use my black market much but I figure it would be a shame to get rid of it now. Artifact fusion is much more reliable anyway.
If I get my magic shops up to about 1000 do you think they'd constantly stock scrolls of wonder and maybe potential? Do you think they would ever stock new things like scrolls of gain attribute?

>>13443681
Read the changelog.

Why do I always forget to raise a pet from the get-go? It isn't that hard to remember, but I never do it.

Guess it's Kokou for me.

>>13443758
Why is this such a crippling problem?

Can't you dominate a higher tier monster and still be in the green? I thought pets required a shit ton of micromanaging.

>>13443774
I thought you couldn't dominate in awakened dungeons or the void? Also they wouldn't get any AP

>>13443758
>>13443774
This begs a question from me:

What is better in the long term for raw power and survivability?

Ignoring all pets, having 1-2, or going full kokou

>>13443809
I'll give my opinion as soon as I know one thing: Does Kokou affect the speed gained from equipment, blessed potions/soma, and most importantly, the speed spell buff?

>>13443809
Having 1-2, assuming you're willing to grind them. The only real benefits you have that pets don't is ether disease and not being dumb as a sack of bricks. Ether disease is great, but it's not enough to make you thrice as strong.

>>13443814
cool.

Do the god pets scale well or should I be looking at better altenratives.

I was thinking:

Exile
Defender
Golden Knight.

>>13443829
For pets, what you should look for is rare or unique abilities. All god pets have some form of rare or unique ability, so all make reasonable choices.

>>13443716
Gain Attribute has the /noshop/ tag, which presumably means it won't ever generate in shops unless specifically specified by the store (i.e. some things in souvenir shops have the /noshop/ tags, but the shop generation code calls for those specifically. Most shops only call the general category of the items (scroll, spellbooks, furniture, etc.) and then what is actually generated as shop stock is determined by the item generation code).

>>13443867
not that guy but...

are scrolls of growth /noshop/

120 hours into the game and haven't seen one. I am only magic shop ~110 though.

Just got my first riding pet (Kaneada bike) and I noticed when I ride it I get the message:

"Kaneda bikes speed 237 -> 73

unmounted speed (me): 132
mounted (me) 135


Is my effective speed while riding 135 or 73?

Travel speed on maps feels... slower?

>>13443654
Just did a quick test. Yes, the only place I can see the bonuses to damage and PV is under the combat rolls section on your character sheet.

>>13444176
135 seems to be your speed while mounted using the Kaneda Bike. What's your riding skill at? Higher riding skill will let you take more advantage of your pet's speed.

>>13444355
a pathetic 5.

also this unique orc captain asked to join me and I am running out of space.

Is this asshole ever worth keeping around or am I geneing his ass into a loli.

>>13444401
The more pets are in your party the more weaker each individual, including you gets.
Go and spend some plat on riding while it's still that low. You can raise it's potential really cheap to an acceptable level.

>>13444470
>The more pets are in your party the more weaker each individual, including you gets.

What? Really?

>>13444611
He probably is referring to how if you travel around in a big party questing and dungeon diving that it will take twice as long to train everyone's skill to a certain level. Skill being one part of a person's power.

Everyone will be competing for monsters to kill. Things may be dying too quick and everyone is limited to very few blows. All of which leads to low skill gains all around.

>>13444611
I thought I stated the obvious. The more allies hit one monster the less training they get from it. I tried both. Going with a small army of 10 pets and going with only one. The army was strong but each individual was weak as shit, not to mention it takes a while to gear them.
I'm playing right now the single pet variant and my dragon not only keeps up with me but already passed me. True he can't possibly be at the same place twice and my resurrection spell is still lvl 1, but I'm not screwed every time I find a bomb thrower or ball/bolt spell caster.

The more pets you have the more you divide power.

>>13444648
>>13444656
Oh, I thought you meant that everyone's power gets cut just by being in a bigger party. That makes sense.

How do you guys deal with picnic baskets?

Just harvest a billion fruit, eggs, fish, etc and let it rot.

cook all the rotten shit

ID

then refresh using 4-dimensional pocket and finally potting it?

>>13444682
Whatever you do the only thing that matters is how well the mats are cooked.

But I generally don't need picnic baskets anymore. My pet has a low enough INI for him to train for pennies, and I just make potions of potential from the mats he makes.

Mra is the best directly dominatable thing for tending to a shop ?
Considering void/awakened/quests/rogue are out of the picture now.

i also have a different shop question.

what should be the minimum buy in for a shop? level 35 + rod of domination + monster heart to dominate a Master Thief?

how many domination resists should I expect and what is a good DL to hunt on? (currently level 40).

>>13444894
I opened my shop as soon as I could afford one and hired a Juere Swordsman from the slave trader in Derphy. He's had no problem so far in selling off everything in my shop and I struggle to keep my shop fully stocked. So you really can begin whenever you want.

I gave my pet Tactical attack for the shadow step a while ago. He doesn't use it. I know for a fact that he has it, because it's on his Feats list and he does decapitate from time to time.
Am I missing something? is there a translation error or do I have to make him use it?

>>13444894
At that level, if you've been powering up yourself and your pets diligently, you should be able to at least think about finishing the first main quest. Capturing high-level enemies gets a lot easier once you unlock South Tyris and buy some balls from Lend after investing in him, and you should be able to bag something much better than a master thief.

>>13444788

Anything below an Mra doesn't really make much difference to it as a shopkeeper; even using a nether imp or a little girl.

If you really want the best shopkeeper that you could get at a really early time that will last till forever, it's just Yacatect, the omega jew

I just figured out some furniture is usable in houses and items put inside it don't count against limit. They share space like dimensional pocket but are separated by item type.

So far I have a potion rack and spell/book race.

What other types are there?

>>13445227
... Duh.
Why didn't it hit me.

Mmmh, still no pen though, gotta wish it. And her.

>>13445229
Bread, weapon, armour.
They're great too as the items put in don't count for the room limit.

>>13445273
... Which you said in your post.
Gotta sleep.

is the sourcecode-diving guy still here? I would really like to know the equation for spell-stock consumption, especially for Wish.

Specifically, I want to know if there is a spell-level for Wish at which stock consumption is minimal. My impression is that it's ~300, but confirmation would be nice.

Why does my meteor spell only level when I cast it alone in a room? When I grind my summon spirit level then meteor them all down it doesn't level at all.

>>13445310
I've been wondering this for awhile too. I'd like at least a silver lining for leveling wish.

>>13445310
ok, I found it on the wiki:


StockCost = (Spell.BaseCost() * 200) / (Caster.EffectiveSpellLevel(Spell) * 3 + 100);

If(StockCost < Spell.BaseCost() / 5)
StockCost = Spell.BaseCost() / 5;

StockCost = rnd(StockCost/6 + 1) + StockCost/6;

If(StockCost < 1)
StockCost = 1;

*rnd() generates a random number between 0 and the number inside the () -1.


So what I'd like to know is, is EffectiveSpellLevel affected by +spellpower gear? i.e. if I max out my spell level at 3x, would I get the lowest wish cost at just lvl 100?

>>13445339
2,5x is the max, so if that's the case it'd be at 120.

What would happen if you eat a herbed Halloween pumpkin? You get the buffs first, the stat XP or both at the same time? Can it be used to gain the most out of herbed food or are herbed curarias still the best for overall stat gain?

>>13445373
remember the Medium Armor ability.

>>13445310
I added it to the wiki a few weeks ago, though I see you've found it.

To answer your question (which I also answered on the wiki), no, it's not affected by Magic Armor or "It enhances your spells.".

"EffectiveSpellLevel" is just your BaseSpellLevel rounded down to a whole number (so getting rid of the potential and experience to next level that BaseSpellLevel also holds).

I edited the wiki page to be more clear.

>>13445441
Gains from the "herbed" effect are the first things processed in the function that's called when you eat food. Assuming that the buff would take effect at the same time as corpse bonuses and such, then no, it won't apply.

>>13444011
Yes, it has the /noshop/ tag.

how is the predator class for someone who wants to play a monk type class? It seems like a trap since it has zero stats in half of the stats.

Can the missing stats be trained up or would it better to attempt to shape another class to match the archetype?