/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>13104453
People think novels and visual novels are comparable to books.
Also you better ask /int/.

/jp/ is not the japanese board, please go.

>classics like Homer's epics or Plato's dialogues
Those are Western classics. Japan invented the novel.

>actual books, classics like Homer's epics or Plato's dialogues
> if Japan doesn't start with the Greeks, where do they begin? (from your other thread)
Just out of curiosity, is anything at all worth reading in your mind outside of Philosophy and Classical History? Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to argue against >>13104465 and say 'VNs and novels are on the same intellectual level!' because that would be stupid, but I'm genuinely curious, if it's actually the case that in /lit/'s mind, anything that isn't Philosophy or fiction that's highly regarded as being a 'classic' is basically not worth even thinking about or giving a chance.

>>13104481
/lit/ is entirely left leaning high schoolers and first year college students who probably all visit reddit. Don't give them attention. Delete this thread

>>13104481
Over at /lit/, we have an in-joke response to anyone that asks where they should start with reading. We get a lot of newcomers every so often, most of them being recently new high school graduates who haven't read a book in their life. Anyway, the response is "start with the Greeks" since the Greeks are held as the starting point for most of western thought.

Philosophy and classical history are held pretty highly at /lit/ but that doesn't mean there the only thing one should read -- that is just silly.

>>13104493
Thanks for the cultural insight, /lit/ friend.

While you're here, could you tell me the difference between irony, post-irony, and new sincerity?

>>13104522
There's three kinds of irony: verbal, dramatic, and situational. Verbal irony is when a speaker says a statement whose meaning is different from the one ostensibly expressed. Dramatic irony is when the viewer knows something that a character does not. Situational irony is when an outcome is different than what is expected. Those are all pretty simple definitions, and they tend to go beyond just the way I described them. Also, irony is typically used for humorous effect.

Post-irony is a bullshit term. I'm most likely wrong, but I think it means that something that was once liked jokingly is now respected as something that is liked because its good.

New Sincerity is a literary movement (i think) which is basically a response to post-modernism. It seems to hate post-modernism and wants to go back to the roots of modern and traditional art.

>>13104548
Uh, nevermind with what I said about post-irony. I don't think thats the definition at all. I forgot the term I described. It seems that whoever invented the term confused irony with post-modernism?

>>13104556
Are you one of those guys who reads for effect?

>>13104556
I've never even heard 'post-irony' and 'new sincerity' before, but just by glancing at the wiki for 5 seconds, don't you think that rather than them confusing irony with post-modernism it's called post-irony specifically because 'post-modernism' typically uses irony heavily?

It's me >>13104481 again. How did I know /lit/ would probably actually be pretty stupid? It's almost like people who intentionally communicate in the most pretentious way possible are almost always not what they present themselves to be or something...

>>13104453
The same as any other country.

>>13104453
They do have their own classics.
If anniemay has teached me anything their cultural subjects like history and literature are very closed minded culturally.
Not that's entirely a bad thing but.

I bet a lot of things are translated into Japanese, even the classics.

I remember some old novel having a Japanese name, Count of Monte Cristo?Can't remember the Japanese name but it was also the title of an anime. Probably a lot more like that, huh?

>>13104605
Its funny now that I think about it, here in eastern Europe we have very little of our own literature, so we leach everything from Europe or America, but why not anything from Asia or Russia? I'm sure they have tons of good books too, this has to be some kind of cultural racism or something, not that it necessarily is a bad thing.

>>13104469
You think crossies care?

>>13104642
I don't think so, but I do it anyway, for /jp/!

>>13104636
>Russia
Wait, really? They don't teach Russian literature? Here in the United States, a huge chunk of high school was dedicated to Dostoevsky.

>>13104719
Was thinking of writing the same thing but then I couldn't think of a single other Russian author that we had to read besides him...my high school was pretty sure though.

>>13104719
Russia is our border neighbour, and we have some draumatic experiences from them, so I think think that is the reason.

/lit/ is such a shithole, jesus christ

>>13104453
Reading of classic books is on decline everywhere with how popular ebooks and audiobooks are.

>>13105929
If only someone can adapt every classics into visual novels/eroge ;_;

I know ye olde classics have a lot of rape, just like eroge.

Reading is for normalfags

>>13106917
Why wouldn't you want to be a normalfag?

>>13106930
Why would you want to be a normalfag?

>>13106917
You are literally reading right now, dumb ass

Also, without reading, you would be living in a cave, getting butt raped every other day

>>13106941
Joke´s on you, thats my fetish

>>13104453
This thread violates local rule #1:
All images and discussion should pertain to light and visual novels, figures and other otaku paraphernalia, Touhou Project, Vocaloid, doujin works and music, and diverse niche Japanese interests (kigurumi, idols, mahjong, tea).
Classic Japanese literature is not Otaku Culture.
Also, please heed global rule #16:
All request threads belong on /r/ unless otherwise noted.

>>13104469
With every one of these threads made, two more spring up before (and if) they get deleted because morons who see it think it's ok. It's fucking annoying.