/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I'm trying out HouHou. It's pretty nice

why? where did it go?

>>12879809
30 seconds of saten expressions!

i'm not smart enough to learn japanese

>>12879881
With that attitude, you'll never marry a real life anime. Where's your ambition?

>>12879881
it's much more about discipline than smarts

>>12879893
can i marry a anime that knows english?

>>12879903
She'll only know basic English. You'll never really be able to connect on a personal life and eventually she will leave you for a better wapanese.

>>12879903
There are none.

>>12879893
>>12879909
What's wrong with spending your entire life alone and dying with no one by your side and no one to remember you?

>>12879921
Nothing. But you're spending your time on 4chan. Why not every 10 minutes take a minute break to do a katakana or hiragana flashcard quiz? It's not hard to better yourself, it doesn't even need to be Japanese. You'll thank yourself a year down the road if you take a minute every 10 minutes to do something. It is the new year after all.

>learning a language
>bettering yourself

normies pls go

i gave up and started leaning korean instead. much more logical and well-thought than that wack.

>>12879791
haha nice kaeru i want to kaeru with that kaeru (i learned this pun whilst studying) (kaeru to my home i mean)

>>12880071
I don't know, that sounds like work. Future me might thank past me, but past me thinks future me should learn to do shit on his own instead of relying on past me to do everything for him.

>>12880102

I know this is shitposting but it does have a point.

How are you bettering yourself if you learn a skill that you are only going to use on some weeb hobby if at all.

After slowly going at it over the last two months I've learned all the hiragana and stuff like little "ya" character after "sa" to make "sha" (obviously all of them, not just "sha"). Started on katakana now as a next step.

Just wondering what if anyone had resources/advice for reading hiragana? Basically how to turn the sounds/characters I've learned into an understanding of listening/reading japanese. Kind of at a loss on how to move forward in actually understanding things.

Plz halp

I'm almost at N5 proficiency, aka nothing, bit it feels good anyway.

>>12880164
>"sa"+"ya"="sha"
You messed up, start over.

>>12880111
If you're not trolling can you tell me a little bit about your experience?

>>12880177

Lel, so I did. I'll have to go and look over that section again. But that aside, any advice beyond "start over"? Just start learning grammar or what?

>>12880164
Start kanji and trying to work with sentences. It's not going to make any fucking sense at first, trust me. Japanese is more about the feeling of the words.

>>12880194

Ok, I think I understand. Just start reading simple sentences with babies first kanji in and look at the english meaning of the sentence as a whole instead of trying to decipher it as I go.

Worth a shot anyway, ty.

>>12880130
Not him, but learning Japanese is enjoyable for me, and it's one of the few things I can be motivated to try my best at. Even if it's for my hobbies, it's allowing me to enjoy more of what I like.
I think that's better than learning a skill or language I don't want to so I can get a job that I don't want and resenting it because I don't enjoy it.

>>12880188
not him, but go over all your kana again until you have no uncertainties left. Keep repeating until you're an expert, and even when you're learning grammar and other things, don't stop practicing your kana. It's really annoying when after a year you get stumped writing something because you forgot a kana for a few minutes.
As for advice on reading hiragana, I'd say try jumping into reading a simple manga with furigana. It won't make much sense at first, but you'll want to start reading something to put your knowledge of kana to some use. I'd also strongly recommend watching and listening to spoken Japanese, be it in music, anime/movies or whatever, so you'll experience how sentences are spoken and words are pronounced. Try to find a balance of learning new things and practicing things you learned, or you'll end up bored or overwhelmed. Mainly just jump into shit that you don't understand and keep at it until you start understanding stuff, and repeating that process over and over I guess

>>12880210
Exactly. I wouldn't really rely on google translate. Find things already translated by a person.

I am actually getting better

>finishing a text and plot heavy VN raw
>wakes up tomorrow and find out that you are actually starting to getting better
>tfw

best feel in the world, now if only I bother to actually pick up some textbooks instead of doing this grasping-in-the-dark crap.

thank god most VN nowadays are fully voiced, that really helped me in speeding up my moonrunes learning.

Just found out they fixed the Flas player function on this sucky Firefox mobile version, so I've finally found a way to listen to audio clips effortlessly straight from my tablet after 1.5 years of mostly reading written text.

Can I ask any-one who is well learned in the art of gooktext to translate three pages of a doujin for me?
It's like a dozen sentences all together but some of it is hand written.

test

>>12880370
I was gonna say sure no problem, but FUCK handwritten moonrunes. Good luck, bro.

>>12880370
Is it straight loli, or straight shota?

>>12880381
There's three pages, only one is hand written, and I have a breddy gud idea of what that one says.
I'd post the pages but they are hentai, and I don't know if spoilering them if enough to not get janitored.

>>12880388
straight loli dom...........you got me there, anon.

>>12880390
>straight loli dom
Excellent. Also put them on imgur or something and link.

>>12880474
1/3

>>12880474
Shit, I done pressed the wrong button.........
http://31.211.195.62:20202/h/974f7a1e8319002d6a3eede9cfe32c25b55b067b-324475-1200-1719-jpg/keystamp=1420551600-9ee178e82a/65_065.jpg
1/3

>>12880490
http://37.59.39.65:59929/h/79392d9ff529a1c15966d2046614fbbc754857d0-349875-1200-1725-jpg/keystamp=1420551600-4e8283edcb/66_066.jpg
2/3

>>12880496
http://176.9.13.92:50000/h/f4c9f49399703e98ad8853b98c47fe6ee4b3027b-113956-1200-1789-jpg/keystamp=1420551600-a05f311ce9/72_072.jpg
3/3

I think I know roughly what she's saying here, but a confirmation would be good, thanks.

>>12880498
He is thinking "master, master, my master"

>>12880490
I hope it's just me.

>>12880570
its not you fucked up

>>12880572
could you give me the name instead? I am just curious about the material.

>>12880071
Implying that this is enough to learn. I've been doing 30-60min daily for almost 2 years and I still suck

>>12880511
Thank you.
What is she saying to him?

>>12880576
Suzuka-sama's servant. Page 65, 66 and 72.

I started learning like 1-2 weeks ago and know Hiragana by now. Have to start learning Katakana I guess.

I bought the book japanese from zero! which teaches ro-maji first but decided that it is better to go with Hiragana from the start so that I don't have to study vocabulary twice.
Does anyone recommend this book to keep going or should I learn grammar at imabi and vocabulary with an anki deck?

>>12880609
oh this one, I would have cum buckets to it if not for the insertion parts.

anyways here I go, I am not claiming to be an expert so please don't rip me a new one if I fucked up hard.

>>12880609
>>12880685
I am also just translating on the fem side, read from (upper left->upper right->lower left->lower right)
>65
hore hore douja (how's this?) (there's no English language that can does のじゃロリ justice, more commonly known as ロリババァ)
(male: Please let me cum) various forms of saying No
Ha-that looks good on you, that looks good on you!

>66
let's see the fruits of your training, your sword and your dick (一物) can't be changed, come at me little boy! (I can't quite change the grammar from nip to English here, so here's how the sentence means on their own separately)
(M: Master, Please tell me how to be stronger at using the sword!) Well just poke the sword a lot, if you can poke the sword 3 times at once you can win over any human!
What is this? Your sword and dick and waist is your life! hore! cor! coreja!
Are you an idiot! Your waist is doing like shit! Hore! Coreja!
Oui Oui do your best little boy! shout out the name of your skill, if you can get a hit on me (in this case, satisfy here) I will let you have a permission ticket to ejaculate~

>72
(generic back rubbing noise)
ahhh, that's the spot that's the spot.

there, it's done.
if you have no idea how のじゃロリ is supposed to sound I have the perfect material here for you to get an idea of of:dlsite.com/maniax/work/=/product_id/RJ140626.html

>>12880691
Thanks a lot, I appreciate it.
Surely there is a way to translate のじゃロリ?
Also, what's " hore! cor! coreja!"

>>12880722
>のじゃロリ

のじゃ are a type of speech pattern, "hore! cor! coreja" are all speech pattern commonly used in medieval japan, I could be wrong about the exact historical term for it but you get the idea.

so のじゃロリ are lolis with such a speech pattern, they are either from a medieval setting or the typical 300 year old ones.

but all you need to know is that it makes me and any other man of taste's dick hard as fucking diamonds, I seriously can't get enough of this shit.

>>12880490
The big text says, from top to bottom:

Notice(?)

Cross-dressing reverse-rape in matching kimonos

Postponed masturbation(1) viewing.
(1)(Not sure how to actually write it, but whatever it's called in english when they need permission to orgasm. Orgasm denial?)


>>12880496
Strict daily training

Sex match with master

>>12880735
So it's basically a phrase to say that she's old timey?
Like if we want to have a character from Shakespeare, they'd say "verily" or something?

>>12880738
Thanks as well.
Nice to know what she's doing to him.

>>12880800
>they'd say "verily" or something?

yes, something along the lines of that

>>12879791
It's about as good as I expect it to be.

I haven't done anything for a whole month now
I want to continue but I'm too scared to even look at my anki deck

i was gonna learn japanese but then i figured i might as well learn mandarin instead since its a much more useful language.

我很高兴跟你见面
你们骯髒的日本狗

>>12882186
>兴, 们
>骯髒

Traditional or complex; pick one.

>>12882586
s/complex/simplified/

>>12880164
If you aren't *muritard you can use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunrei_shiki
Kunrei is more objective in relation to the Japanese than Hepburn.

I just can't wait till I know enough to leave this horrible place and lurk 2chan

Already know I'll fail so why even try?
Maybe I'll make it my new years resolution next year. Too late now.

Can anyone give me a really simple visual novel to help myself learn? I've been taking a Japanese class at school and over the semester i've learned Hira and Kata, a good chunk of grammar and some vocabulary. I feel like a VN would help me learn along with this class

I just don't understand how I'm supposed to get better. No matter how hard I try, I never improve. I've been studying on and off for the past 6 years, just trying to learn higarana. But no matter how much I study I still cannot tell half of them apart. What should I do?

>>12883315
hanahira

>>12883330
>on and off
That sounds like it could be your problem. You should make a concentrated effort. You should to sit down and work hard on studying it, practising how to write the symbols properly every day until you remember them.

>>12883332
I'll look into it, thanks
honestly I was expecting a really troll answer, so thanks for not doing that

>>12882186
chinese here, you still have a long way to go brah
also
>2015
>simplified characters

Passed JLPT N2 last year, live in Japan too.

None of your business, asshole.

>>12883383
I study every day for months at a time. I know how a few of them are pronounced, like that は is pronounced "wa" and こ is pronounced "ko". I still have a long way to go and I need to be able to read all of the higarana and at least most of the kanakata before I can consider myself fluent.

>>12886127
Honestly, it should only take you a couple of weeks at most to have a workable grasp of kana, so you're probably just not studying as hard as you think you are.
Just make sure you know your Japanese vowels, and then use flashcards or one of those kana drill websites. Say each kana aloud as you recognize it. Don't just quit after a single round through all the kana either. This is like memorizing your times tables as a kid, it's going to take a lot of reps before you can read kana confidently.
If drills are just too boring, you can try making flashcards with pictures of all the 2hus on one side and their names in kana on the other. Read the kana and then visualize the 2hu. Then flip to card to see if you were correct. This is less effective than just drilling the kana, but it might help you get started.

あなたのコックを切り落とす。それを食べる。日本。

just starting out, tips please namasensei's handwriting is atrocious and he keeps mixing up katakana and hiragana in his explanations

got genki pdfs and a tab of "japanese-lesson.com" open

Is there any website that allows you to actually talk japanese with a native speaker?

I'd imagine there's got to be some japanese people that want to learn English and a site that would let us all practice together.

But where??

So /jp/, how do I into grammar?

What is your secret tool

>>12886288
>あなた
君は女の子ですか。

>>12886650
Tae Kim, Genki, time and practice. And listening for grammar I learned in things like anime and VN

How do I learn vocabulary? I tried creating my own Anki cards but that was just boring and i'd forget them in like 10 seconds. Are there better deck sets, or just in general a better way to learn?

>>12887109
What was the basis for your card creation?

>>12879901
discipline is smarts

>>12887124
I went and read a few pages of Yotsuba and a VN, and put the word and it's definition in the cards

>>12887151
Meh, that was about what I was going to suggest. Except I'm a pathological autist who just keeps reading the same chapters of my favorite manga over and over again so the words "stay fresh."

Does anyone have experience with taking formal classes at a university or community college? I feel I have hard time getting started with many things, but if formal education is effective here it may be good place to get started where I am expected to show progress.

>>12887210
I heard they aren't very good compared to self-study, but I can see how being forced to perform well otherwise getting a bad grade, could boost your confidence. I'd say do it, provided you're already in college and paying for it. Don't go purely for Japanese.

>>12887210
I take Japanese at a community college. It's good, but you absolutely need to do self-study as well, or you'll forget everything you learn since generally you won't spend much time on a single subject in class

>>12887210
I tested into one of my college's Japanese classes at a large state university because I was curious how they taught the class. It wasn't all bad, they did the best they could with the format. Most of the class time was spent speaking and listening with a lot of the kanji and vocabulary drill to be done on your own time. I think the main benefit of the class is having a hopefully native speaker who can answer your questions.

However, if you want to learn enough Japanese to read VNs, LNs, and so on you'll need to do a ton of self study eventually because no college curriculum is going to get you to even a middle school level.

>>12887109
I learn really well with WaniKani personally. It costs money though, but it was completely worth it for me. Been doing it every day without fail for over a year now. To be honest though I think all of those years of watching anime was my biggest benefactor for increasing my vocabulary.

>>12887210
I had already been self studying for about a year when I took a nightmarish course at my community college. The teacher was a native speaker but she couldn't explain things very well in English. We just did a ton of writing drills and lots of work, I didn't learn much of anything new except how to hand write some kanji. I would just self study if I were you, unless you need college credits.

>>12887071
I've only done Tae-Kim for grammar and I've just finished reading my first untranslated VN. I was comprehending really well but now that I'm playing some more plot heavy VNs I'm starting to struggle a little bit on heavy technical concepts. I think that just might be a vocabulary issue but would checking out something like Genki or Imabi this late in the game be of any help?

>>12880164
Two months?! It took you two moths to learn hiragana?
Please tell me you're joking.

>Started on katakana now as a next step.
Good luck with that.
At this rate you should be able to learn Japanese somewhere by the end of the next century.

>>12888060
Genki does teach like 2 pages of vocabulary every chapte, but that's probably not really enough though and you'd probably want something else alongside, but it will help a lot I'm sure, and would be good for reviewing things you already know.
If anyone else has some way of learning vocabulary, aside from things like Anki (I'm not good at spaced repetition at all) I'd like to know, since learning and remembering new vocabulary is my biggest problem right now

>>12888060
I recommend you searching for sabuuro's grammar guide since it's pretty much the best out there (although ridiculously huge), and picking up an easier VN to read if you notice you're having trouble with plot-heavy titles. Which ones did you have difficulty, by the way?

>>12889609
Thanks for the suggestion but I'm not entirely sure if I want to pick up a really huge grammar guide when I could just be reading something I enjoy... I'll check it out though.

Also I'm not really having copious amounts of trouble with some of these VNs, but when they are describing the nationality and background of the french terrorists in Grisaia no Meikyuu it gets a little hard to follow. Aiyoku no Eustia and some other titles are a bit easier though, but Flyable Heart was a walk in the park compared to them.

>>12890285
Try Baldr Sky since the infodumps are small and will help you get used to it.

>>12887412
>no college curriculum is going to get you to even a middle school level.
Are you serious? That sucks.

>>12879791
I finally read the introduction to Tae Kim's grammar thing

I'm so encouraged by the fact that half of you can't even read hiragana. I learned that in a few days.

You absolutely need that before starting kanji; once you get that down, learn kanji with furigana readings, and write down the words with romanji next to them if you need it. Eventually you'll start noticing things.

Try RtK but get a little discouraged at why you're told to know words like decameron or gall bladder. Then try some cell phone apps; JED and Obenkyo are great tools. Anki's nice with the right decks, once you have a decent foundation start reading Yotsuba and putting sentences into Anki. Read Imabi, Tae Kim and Reading Japanese the Manga Way just because you need that repetition. Eventually you'll have the kanji recognition to not stumble around as much and you'll pick up particles with time.

I'm N5 and I live in Japan with no formal study before coming here, and a job that allows literally no time to study besides a few minutes here or there.

>>12891554
How'd you get a job in Japan?

I'm going to Japan this summer so I really stepped up my effort to learn. I had to start almost from scratch because it's been months since I've studied. One thing that annoys me is the different typefaces. It's hard enough to learn without half the letters just changing into something completely different whenever they feel like it.

>>12880263
Great meme arrows.
>>>/a/

How many sentences do you guys have in your decks?

>>12891554
> and a job that allows literally no time to study besides a few minutes here or there.

Is it something dirty?

I've been learning off and on through self-study (usually with textbooks) supplemented by watching anime.
One thing that's really been bothering me is that almost all of my examples for spoken Japanese come from fucking cartoons, and I know no actual Japanese people that way. Any recommendations on realistic speaking examples that would be suitable for a novice?

>>12893655
*no actual Japanese people TALK that way

>>12893660
>>12893655
Young people use mostly casual speech.

This is my tenth year.

I may have set some kind of record for slow progress.

At least I can read Artist CG sets to an extent.

>>12893655
Variety shows? Some Youtube vlogger maybe?
Also news sites like TBS, NHK and Asahi usually upload their newscasts in their articles, along with a more or less faithful transcript of the text, you can use them to pick up words and get used to speech patterns.

I learn a word and then forget a word. Such is Japanese study life.

Anyone here used "Michel Thomas"? I listened to the first CD for like 20 minutes and learned more useful Japanese than I learned in a month of self-study.

Curious if anyone else has done the full thing. I never see it discussed, but it apparently has rave reviews.

>>12893655
go on twitter and start following a bunch of japanese people and read

>>12893266
+500. i redid my deck last year.

>>12891554

I'm to the point where I can read hiragana and katakana as quick as english but the kanji and actual meanings are really a multi-year kind of thing.

I think if you go into learning japanese thinking it will be fast or easy you may as well not start at all, it really does take years to get to a level where you can read even the simplest shounen manga or VN without stopping to look something up every few minutes.

>>12896257
Oh. I'm not sure if I should count core2k sentences as sentences since they're all cooker cutter ones with the same two structures.

Not counting those my sentence deck is 1001 though.

>>12896230

Looks like one of those things that makes normies believe they've achieved something because they can operate at the most basic level, which they'll never progress past.

>>12898183
well yeah for basic level it looks okay but thats really about it .

>>12898246

I downloaded it and listened to some of it, mostly the advanced.

It seems to do a good job of explaining common grammatical structures and subtleties, but the pronunciation is still over enunciated to the point of it being probably useless in any practical context. If it can actually make permanent all of that information, in that amount of time, it may be worth using as an introduction to the language.

I'll try it out in German, to see if it actually teaches anything effectively.

So what resources, other than Genki, does /jp/ recommend?

For learning grammar:

http://www.kanji-link.com/en/grammar/n5

>>12898287
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA/

I personally recommend Ixrec's guide to grammar, because it is pragmatic and runs on a need-to-know basis. Consult more detailed materials for any questions.

http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/

What's the point in learning to write that stuff with a pen if you're gonna use it all to type with an IME?

>>12882186
Yes Mandarin as well here

It makes more sense as Mandarin is the most spoken language and growing, and Japanese is forever shrinking in speakers

>>12882186
你是不是迟钝？

人为何要去学有用的语言？大家都应该做自己喜欢的事 -- 你要学华语，就去学，没必要炫耀给学日语的人。你真的是连狗都不如。

日本語はわかりません。
Any-who I started kanji. I know the numbers along with 万,千,百,円,肉,年,音 and 初。I'm familiar with a lot more (高い,話,魚,金,水、えｔｃ。。) but I don't know how to write them yet.

>>12898266
>>12898246
>>12898183
Thanks. I think I'll run through the full thing and report back with results. The dude who created the system died a few years ago apparently, so no qualms about pirating it.

What is /jp/'s opinion on http://www.imabi.net/

I think that it tries to teach stuff really fast so at least some previous basic knowledge is required but I like that it really goes in depth and also explains differences in various dialects.

>>12898406
がんばって！It's easier to connect meaning to the visual image of the words when you've heard them before. Get rikaisama if you haven't already so you can see the pronunciation of kanji. Some of them you might be familiar with already!

>>12882186
>2015
>不會說中文
>日本語もできない

>>12898410

I've finished the first CD of the German one.

Seems breddy gud.

So how am I supposed to learn through Genki? Do the textbook and workbook at the same time? I've never attempted self-study before, so I don't know how to start
yeah I already know the kana

>>12899279
Yeah, it seems useful for getting bootstrapped in a new language quickly. I'm gonna try to do one hour per day.

>>12899330

Don't use genki for self-study. Its made for in-class instruction and the workbook doesn't come with answers, You would need the teachers version or to find the answers online.

You might as well just do taekim since the focus on grammar is really the only thing that differentiates genki from any other beginners book you could read

>>128797>>12879791
Genki! Sukoshi wakarimasu!

>>12901019
Learn kana dude, and you wouldn't really normally use 元気, it's more natural to say 良い or いい

>>12900952
Is there any other self study book like Genki?

Just finished learning all the kana. Where do I go next? Kanji? Vocab? Grammar?

>>12902291
I would suggest going to vocab and grammar at the same time, occasionally learning some kanji. You don't want to focus on just one thing, but learning kanji straight after kana would be pretty hard, especially not knowing grammar.

It's going very o-jouzu, OP-kun. I've been benkyou-ing for like 12 jikan a nichi for at least 4 months, and I know all of the hiragana and katakana now. Ore sama wa ganbarimasu!!

>>12903825
貴様、死ぬか。

>>12903976
I'm not sure what you said because I haven't started with kanjis yet. But I will keep studying and sugu from now I'm sure I will be able to yomu. がんぼります！

ill get around to kanji someday.....

maybe make a comic or story with the vocabulary you learned and the kanji .. just a suggestion like i talked about spiders and described spiders in Japanese because I hate spiders so much

>>12887210
I took half a year of Japanese back in college, then a year of Swedish. The Japanese class was enormous, especially since I went to a university with lots of Chinese and Koreans. So we spent a lot of time in lecture, while my Swedish class was entirely in quiz sections.

The Japanese quiz sections were a lot less productive, since a lot of the foreign students couldn't speak English at an academic level (or maybe they could but they opted not to), so we weren't really able to have a lot of the in-depth discussions about the language that I felt made my Swedish class great. Also, my memory is a little hazy years later, but I remember doing a lot less conversation practice with partners in my Japanese quiz sections after the real basic "hello, my name is" stuff. Instead, the instructor would usually pick two people to have a dialogue based on whatever concepts we were learning at the time, which kind of put people on the spot. But that's more down to the instructor than anything. One last observation: depending on your university it is very possible that you will end up being the only white person in the room (once all the weebs who aren't serious drop), and that can absolutely have an effect on your performance if you aren't prepared for it.

If you must study Japanese, look for a small class size, preferably with people you can talk about grammar with. But I'd really recommend trying an easier language first (Swedish is great!). This will teach you how to approach a language class, and it will give you some much needed confidence when you later try to tackle a more difficult language.

>>12904399

I have the exact opposite problem, but maybe it's because I've been approaching it from a self-study approach rather than attending classes.

I've learned a decent amount of Japanese (N2 level) by reading VNs, looking up words, watching shows in Japanese, playing Japanese games, etc.

But recently I've been trying to learn Swedish because I have friends there and I visit the country every year. I find it much harder because I just can't find the kinds of resources that have been abundant for my Japanese studies. Swedish people all know English, so when they produce content, they usually make it in English so that it can be exposed to a wider audience. That, in turn, makes Swedish much harder for me to learn because there aren't billions of Swedish animus and mangos to learn from and keep me motivated. It's technically very, very easy compared to Japanese, but learning it in practice isn't as easy.

I'm practicing by reading middle school idols' blogs.

>>12904513
Yeah, I can't really help you on that front. We mainly just used profiles from Swedish dating websites, Swedish films about lesbian school girls and gay adoptive parents, and occasionally Basshunter to supplement our text (Rivstart, if you're curious).

>>12904544
That sounds hot.

あたし、日本語を学びたいですよ
でも、あたしはバカだねｗｗ、だからあたしの日本語は下手よ
そう、あたし頑張ります！！あなたたちも頑張ります。

あたしたちは絶対に頂点に達します！

>>12906234
http://ameblo.jp/takanashi-ai
I like her comics

>>12906331
君はホモ？

Daily reminder to do your reps.

>>12907367
嫌だ

>>12879801
Huh? This really does look nice.

Would someone mind translating this for me?

>>12907581
nichibo-bi nylon training pants

>>12907593
Thank you, would that be a brand? And what's the bit at the bottom?

>>12907602
no idea, probably product name or something, definitely no japanese word.
japanese spinning stock company service something is what's below. no idea what the last word should be could be a name or something like that.

>>12907727
Thanks a bunch bro

>>12907111

そいつが、確かに幼女じゃないんだろ？

ほかのここに来る人と思えないっけ。

I have a question: does the JLPT test really consist of just a listening and a reading exam? I've downloaded some fac-similes and I see no mention of a writing and speating parts like in any other language proficiency test.

>>12887210
Starting my 3rd semester at a not very prestigious university now and it's been great. So far both of my professors have been college level Japanese teachers (which is probably unnecessary) and they've taught me a lot more than I'd have been able to learn in this time. Like many others have said, self-study is going to make the biggest difference at the end of the day, since it's still a structured course, but having someone you can email or visit during office hours with any questions makes it even more efficient.

You'll learn a lot of other things too that watching anime and inconsistent resources (such as some rando on here telling you "well when i was in japan...") aren't going to give you, like how to respond to certain questions straight from a native speakers mouth, and weird nuances that dictionaries may not necessarily account for. If you're already in school and debating doing it for obligatory credits or just for fun I'd say go for it if it's affordable. I started for both reasons and in 2 months I'll be able to declare it as a minor (lol) and still plan on continuing on afterwards.

I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the flame of Anor.

I wonder if the lucky star fandub girl ever learned to speak japanese.

>>12880130
knowing a language is a highly marketable skill

>>12908468
>lol
Stop.

>>12880130

Is learning for learning's sake not enough?

>If the aim of music, of a symphony, were to get to the final bar, the best conductor would be the one who got there fastest.
>When you dance, do you aim to arrive at a particular place on the floor? Is that the idea of dancing?

Do it if you want to, don't do it if you don't want to, but I don't think trying to attribute a subjective "usefulness" to uses of time is particularly meaningful.

I would have thought anyone with an interest in Japanese media would get extensive usage out of it, at any rate.

>>12887210

I took one in college.

The course was painfully slow.

In two years, we covered very basic grammar, kana, and maybe 20 kanji. The most complex sentence we learnt to construct would be something like:

私は食べたいので、どんなパスタがありますか？

Plain form never mentioned, not even once. We learnt polite forms, then learnt a few conjugated forms separately, but not how to actually derive the conjugation, because we weren't allowed to know the plain form, in case we used it and offended someone.

The only thing it offered over self-study was the ability to have fake conversations that were pre-written with classmates, but that was just like reading a script and didn't require any thought, or listening skills.

We spent many hours on writing kana, which was arduous, as I'd been able to do it for years before.

The teacher was pretty bad, and never really explained why anything was wrong, or why it was the way it was, she just encouraged students to keep guessing the answer until they got it right, which didn't teach anything, and would mark things wrong if they were correct, but deemed "too advanced". She didn't review concepts consistently, so very little was retained by the class.

She let us watch Totoro once, though.

Also, the class started with ~50 people, but all but ~10 dropped out within weeks because they were weebs who didn't actually want to put in any effort.

I'm thinking I want to print out two copies of a VN. Perhaps translate it myself with the voice bubbles blank so I can write in the English translation. Has anybody tried this as a learning tool? What would be the best way to have blank speech bubbles without having to use white-out?

>>12913330
don't

you'll just end up reinforcing your own misconceptions, translation is not a good learning tool

>>12911335
Well shit, now I want to actually learn about the language of Japan.

Should I go for it? Major motivations would be the following facts; Huge amount of commission + drawing money comes from Japan areas and general Asian population, decent interest in visiting Japan after a few years + all the videogames and the novels and the whatnots.

I fear my only downside might be that I'm a bit afraid considering I'm currently still learning a bit and a bit of another language over time, but I don't seem to have many difficulties in doing so.

Should I go for it? How often should I repeat and learn per a day?

>>12913513
Make your own decisions, fag.

>>12913677
Just asking for a bit of advice, I'm probably going to push trough and do it anyhow, but a discussion is always nice.

>>12913797

Yeah go for it, I'm with you! All the way man.
You're going to die anyways so stop being a fag and just do what you enjoy.
頑張ってand whatnot.

>>12908369

I just took it in December. Yeah, it's all multiple choice. Vocab, Grammar and Listening sections.

>>12913854
BLAMMO ANON
THATS MOTIVATION AT ITS FINEST

>>12911380
Wow you guys went slow.
My Universitys jpn 101and 102 class goes over 160 kanji and I know for a fact many people drop out because when I was looking at 200 level classes I saw that there were only 2 time slots(not even filled) available for those classes while there was 8-10 time slots(all filled) for 101-102. There's 30 people per class.

>>12914373

the 100 classes weeded out all the japanime kawaii desu fags and only left people serious about the language

>>12914373
160 kanji in 2 years is still awfully slow.

>>12879791
P good have at least 600 Kanji down verbally and 300 or so by writing.

Also I have a jap pen pal/line she says my grammer is pretty good, just my vocabulary is small.

>>12914551
101 and 102 would be 1 year, so 160 kanji in 1 year.

still slow however.

>>12914743
Honestly I think that's a pretty reasonable number considering most people in college aren't there just to learn japanese.

In my class we have to learn 10 a week and it gets pretty overwhelming alongside other vocab, new grammar, essays and other classes we have to take.

>>12914373

This was only one of those one hour per week things.

More like a club, than anything.

I memorized the hiragana and katakana characters, but I've got no idea where to go from here.

Why isnt there a visual novel about learning japanese as an american exchange student in an all girls school or something and you have to make your grades in order to win over your waifu. Seems like the perfect mirror for exactly the reasons everyone wants to learn it.

>>12917423
Download anki and get the core2k/6k decks.

>>12917863

I think learning some grammar first would be useful.

6000 words isn't very useful if you can't construct a basic sentence with them.

>>12880071
Am I the only one who needs to have a timer to keep a schedule?

If left to my own devices, I will browse 4chan for 7-10 hours straight unless interrupted. I mean, I actually enjoy doing Anki, but unless I am reminded by an external source, I just do the same thing until I fall asleep.

I am not sure whether it has anything to do with me being diagnosed with ADD.

>>12918574

I have it pinned to my sidebar, and I've been doing reps for 5 years, but I occasionally forget to do them.

It is strange how a few minutes of activity seems to occupy more time than hours upon end of idling.

>>12918574
You're not alone. I too have been diagnosed with ADD. It feels like I can't get anything done in a timely manner without having a timer on or taking my stimulants. Otherwise, I'll lose track of time and dwell on one thing for hours. It takes me longer than usual to finish VNs, movies, and anything else because I tend to stare at the wall or get lost in my own thoughts often. Then again, I kind of like taking things slow.

>>12918546
You're suppose to learn Grammar, Vocab, and Kanji at the same time.

>>12911380
>>12914373

I took Chinese and Japanese classes in University, and the Chinese classes were much more bearable and enjoyable.

In the Japanese classes you had three-quarters of the class wondering why you would use kana if you had romanji, or why you would kanji if you had kana. Most of them dropped out of the course when they realized that they would not be using romanji.

Everyone pronounced です as "day-soo," and most people could not tell the difference between the Japanese R sound and the English, so they would just use the English R.

I had always been somewhat jealous of Engineers before taking this class (at a primarily Engineering school), but after the 50th time that I heard "this isn't freaking Calculus or Linear Algebra, its just a language" I wanted to shoot myself in the head (though I guess they will make more money than I ever will, so whatever).

In the Chinese (Mandarin) class, most of the fellow students were Koreans or Indians who gave a damn, and mastering the tonal aspects of the language and the characters went at a more enjoyable (faster) pace, and the "lab" sections involved the teaching assistant actively conversing in Chinese, so the grammar sunk in faster, as did word association with the characters.

あんたたち、情けないぞ！
俺みたいに一気に二千五百漢字を習ったら？
二ヶ月ぐらいあれば十分さ。

>>12918658

>Everyone pronounced です as "day-soo"

That one confuses me.

How can they function if they can't hear the difference between vowels and diphthongs?

Do they confuse "debt" and "date"?

"Met" and "mate"?

Our teacher tried to teach the Japanese "R" as an "L" sound, because there's little hope in actually trying to get most anglophones to use an alveolar tap properly, let alone the full range of that consonant, and L is a closer approximation.

>>12917763

Why don't you make it yourself? It could be the next katawa shoujo.

New here. Want to learn so I can both communicate with Japanese folks and play visual novels that never get translated. Not interested in finding a Japanese wife, already engaged to non-Japanese woman. I have all the free time in the world. Have ADD though, so I have a hard time focusing. Help?

>>12918759
>more EVN shit
No thanks.

>>12918709
They can tell the difference between vowels and diphthongs, they just did not understand that there was a meaningful difference between "day-soo" and "day-s-"/"day-su-", and that the default reading of the kana, AKA the easiest way to pronounce it, was good enough.

People do not recognize the subtleties and inconsistencies of their own language until they learn another.

I just got one of these because I was interested in faceplates.

Do you guys know of any good games that are gramatically simple or ways I could use this to begin learning the language?

>>12918919
Try Pokemon.

>>12918924
Good thinking. I already have the US version, but come to think of it Pokemon would have a shitload of vocab words with the attack names.

>>12918911

If you think で sounds the same as "day", you're not speaking correctly yourself, either.

>>12918814
>I have all the free time in the world. Have ADD though, so I have a hard time focusing. Help?

I also have ADD.

You will just do what everyone else does, except it will be harder for you to stay motivated and focused.

To help remain focused, get a Github account and go to http://www.tomato.es/..

This site helps you partition work in 25-minute sessions, with a rest period in-between. Since you have ADD, following the 5-minute break regimen might not appeal to you, but shoot for at least 4 or more "tomatoes" a day (roughly 2 hours). Within these time partitions, only work on Anki, Tae Kim, etc. I would also recommend enabling the ticking sound, so that you will always be aware that you are within a tomato session and not accidentally start something else.

Therapeutic doses of Adderall can improve memory retention and recollection, even when you are not under its effects. However, it is not necessary at all to learn Japanese, since the nature of Anki and other resources accommodates to the speed at which you can use them. Also, Adderall has more than a few negative effects for long use, so do not take it if you can.

The /a/ guide is here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1G5C7fCe07CDzYalZYZObzxv_fhw7RUNsLHiMAY-t7FA

>>12918945
I know, but I am not sure how to better write it the sound in the English alphabet. Hepburn Romanization does not carry my meaning well enough.

How should I do it?

>>12918940
You can change the language to Japanese in the US version, you would just have to start over.

>>12918960
the closest thing would be 'deh', but everyone here in this thread should understand the proper pronunciation of で already anyways

>>12918973
Yeah, that is a better way of describing the sound.
Thanks.

I've got 650 cards to do in anki because i missed a few days and I cannot find the motivation to clear them even though it will only take a few hours at worst
please help me before I "blog" more

>>12879801
Long shot replying to a 12 day old post but, I'm just starting to learn kanji, and this program seems to be a pretty good alternative to having actual physical flash cards. But is there anyway to change it so that it accepts either reading of the same kanji? I'm sitting here memorizing the first 10~15 most common kanji, and when 中　comes up for instance, sometimes it wants なか　and other times it wants うち so I get it wrong if I guess what it wants incorrectly even though I know both readings...

>>12919576
Just lower the amount of cards loaded daily for fuck sakes.

Also, I just realized it takes me a few hours to do 30 cards.

At least I have all the time in the world.

>>12920646

>it takes me a few hours to do 30 cards.

How is that possible?

Why are you spending 5 minutes per card?

>>12920660
Oh, I thought you meant 650 new cards.

No, it takes me a few hours to memorize 30 new cards and successful review the rest.

Anyone else get frustrated when you see the "taught in grade X" thing when looking up a character? "This kanji was taught in fourth grade! You're literally dumber than a fourth grader!" is all I can hear.

It makes me feel like I should actually sit down sometime and grind out all the jouyou kanji (or at least the kyouiku) but I fuckin hate flash cards.

>>12920681
Not really. They start studying kanji early just like English speakers start studying how to spell words early. ... There's 2000~3000 kanji to learn, just like you end up studing thousands of spellings of words in elementary school, albeit the kanji is a bit harder because although some of the symbols are re-used in more complex kanji it isn't like the roman alphabet where you memorize 26 letters and then everything is a combination of exactly those 26. You did study spelling while in elementary school, right anon? If not in that case go ahead and feel retarded.

I got into Japanese at a really young age but I plan on having a job related to the fashion industry where french and Italian are preferred. I also read stuff about Asian languages but the weren't specific.Probably Chinese is best that's were alot of clothes are manufactured but if I want to get into the high-end fashion brands a lot wont even work with you unless you speak french. I searched up H&M , Uniqlo ,etc and they all want bilingual people.
What do anons?
I've already started french in high school and Japanese in middle school but I'm very poor in both since I never actually spoke with it. Is it possible to learn 2 at the same time?

>>12920681
But just think, some 4th grade JS might be studying the exact same kanji as you. It's almost like you're studying together!

I want to start learning.

My cousin is up to 500 kanji and has already covered all the kana. What is /jp/'s recommended progression?
I have no experience with Anki. What do I need to download?

>>12920819
Read the thread/use the /a/ guide

>>12920762
is it possible?
technically
is it smart?
if you wanna take forever to learn half of each

youre better off focusing on mastering one language at a time than dividing your attention and making slow gains in both languages.
Obvi, start with french

>>12921989

You don't need to master it, but you need to have one language significantly more advanced to not get confused.

>>12922002
i only suggested mastery because anon mentioned they'd need it for work
i don't know just how in-depth the language requirement is, but i'd err on the side of caution

I can just barely follow a conversation when the talkers are slow.

I have remembered less than 10 kanji.

I can only read things that have been spelled out phonetically with kana, very slowly.

I know many, many words and definitions, but have very little grasp on grammar and syntax.

If I suddenly got dropped into japan right now, I'd probably only barely manage to convey my meanings to the locals.

In all, my grasp on the language is almost 100% auditory. I have extremely poor comprehension when it comes to reading and writing.

Can somebody please translate this image I found? I'm hoping it will go some way towards explaining the vagina man smoking a cigarette.

Source: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/4d-toys-men-s-aircraft-cup-male-masturbation-adult-doll-sex-doll-on-salesilica-gel-lifelike/1187019115.html

>>12920720
>it isn't like the roman alphabet where you memorize 26 letters and then everything is a combination of exactly those 26
If only things were that easy.

>>12918919
Maybe Tomodachi Collection. I learned the names of some food from it as well as left, right, up and down.

>>12922706

That's Chinese.

>>12922706
The realistic vagina, from the moment of insertion gives you an uncomparable sense of satisfaction. It is because of 4 elements: the pleasure of the mouth, throat, vagina and anus