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And she has charisma

and yet she's still the worst touhou

Any 2hu would lose to my dick

She controls fate, not faith
Danmaku is playfighting, not to death
Full moon gets blocked by scarlet mist too, there's no "blocks the sun but not the moon" spell
That thing is just called Gungnir, it's not actually Odin's autogib spear

My liege!

>>12766215

>How does someone like that lose?

By being shit at danmaku, the only thing that matters. Do you people don't even know the spell card rules?

>>12766417
>>12766215
>She controls fate, not faith
Not even that. According to Flandre, Remilia is just chuuni. She lies about having fate control powers for the same reason she lies about being descended from Dracula.

She's still pretty fucking strong though, in just about every area - strength, speed, regeneration, magical energy, you name it. Vampires are apparently the Touhou equivalent of RPG players who take every weakness and drawback they can find in order to max out their character's stats.

>>12766468

>She lies about having fate control powers for the same reason she lies about being descended from Dracula.

Then how did she manipulate that meteor to strike SDM? She obviously used her power there.

>>12766471

>>12766471
>manipulate that meteor to strike SDM

She didn't though.
She just knew it was gonna hit.

Reimu holds shift for focused movement.

>>12766425
Source? google give me nothing.

>>12766502
Cherish (Nishimura Nike): LolitaEmpress

Venerate the immortal Empress!

she is not a dead princess

>>12766487

I contest that. She did it so she could make Flan blow it.

Thanks but damm i cant find a download link.
>>12766518
Any place to find it?

>>12766425


>>12766215
Gungnir does miss, or it would be banned in danmaku fights.
But yes, pls nerf, too cute.

>>12766583
According to the story, it was someone attacking the SDM. She just guessed the time when it would hit and arranged things so Flan-chan could destroy it.

>>12766567
According to ZUN, there is no dead princess, and the song isn't really meant to be a septette. He just thought it sounded impressive.

>>12766588
http://exhentai.org/g/564202/4bd749e33a/
>Torrent Download ( 0 )

http://userscripts-mirror.org/scripts/show/153546
and downthemall!

>>12766631
I cannot say I'm surprised in the least.

Damn good song, though.

>>12766637
>Exhentai

Well thanks anyways.

Remilia:
-dies in sunlight
-can't go anywhere near garlic
-is vulnerable to wooden stakes, silver, and Christianity

>>12766676
and water

>>12766676
-Untrue
-Untrue
-Partially true

>>12766676
Does a wooden dildo count as a stake? She just shot way up the list of touhous to dominate.

>>12766468
>According to Flandre
And this is such a reliable source, right? Not to say that Remilia does have those powers to the degree she claims, and Flandre saying so is probably a hint at that, but it isn't as though Remilia doesn't have these powers because Flandre says so.

>>12766483
This was mentioned in that last thread and I think it's a good proposal. But Remilia still would have told her to do it. You could argue that this is indeed Remilia manipulating "fate".

>>12766617
>According to the story, it was someone attacking the SDM
No, that was Aya's guess. The fact of it being written at all means it pretty clearly couldn't have been anyone else and Aya's remark was just to show nobody realized or believed it was Remilia's doing.

>>12766215
She lost to reimu on purpose,as for the moon bitch well they're old as shit,and according to logic in touhou the more older you are,the more powerful you'll become,and Remilia is still young.

>>12767087
>And this is such a reliable source, right? Not to say that Remilia does have those powers to the degree she claims, and Flandre saying so is probably a hint at that, but it isn't as though Remilia doesn't have these powers because Flandre says so.
Then again there is no reason to think Flandre is lying, she's just hard to understand because she is a tad crazy and likes to be a pain to Remi like younger siblings tend to.

Remilia has to been shown multiple times to have chuuni tendencies out of boredom and some odd tastes, like finding hobgoblins cute and keeping a pet chupacabra. Or making a swimming pool even though she doesn't do well with water. (smelly 2hou)

Everyone also mentions they have no idea what Flandre's 'eye crushing' ability is but the way it's described it seems to actually work like the Mystic Eyes of Death Perception along with some mild telekinesis.

>>12768063
Moonbitch is also effectively a Reimu who doesn't slack off, she knows all the proper summons unlike Reimoomoo who just picked them up a few months before and forgot everything next year.

>>12766676
She's allergic to soybeans too apparently and found a kindred spirit in Kasen who has a fear of them.

>>12766425
i love this doujin, at first she doesn't know what to do and is completely dominated, but once she understand how it works she goes full Succubus on the poor SOB.

>>12766215
Danmaku is playing. And Reimu have very broken abilities on her own, that she uses subconsciously.

>>12768301
>She's allergic to soybeans too apparently and found a kindred spirit in Kasen who has a fear of them.
I wonder why Kasen s scared. She's a normal girl, not some oni, or anything like that.

>>12768525
love this meme

>>12766215
If Gungnir never misses, the key is to be someone whose power is never getting hit. Battle won.

>>12766676
Any one who's brain has not fully developed the ability to critically think is vulnerable to christianity

>>12768525
Soy is one of the more common food allergies.

Poor Kasen. She can't eat a normal food that normal human girls normally eat.

>>12766676
According to ZUN, vampires are only weak against the cross if they were devout christians at some time. It is just shame and self-disgust at what they had become.

>>12766588
>http://www.sendspace.com/file/zuppzv

Literally took me 10 seconds with google.

>>12768816
I'm pretty sure that's the original way it went
ZUN did his research

>>12768787

Wasn't Dracula religious?

>>12768851
Eastern Orthodox.

>>12768851
The historical Dracula was quite the christian, and hated the Ottomans with a passion. It is very highly possible. I forgot the novel, but i think he was at some point, but got angry at YHWH over his dead wife who killed herself, I think.

>>12768851
Well, he did kill thousands of Turks in the name of Christianity.

>>12768865
He converted to Catholicism and responded to the call of Crusade of Pope Pius II.

>>12768879
No, he killed Turks because he hated their guts. He got taken as a ransom for decades and got to enjoy their company all that time. It is not known what happened then, but most people assume that he was tormented all that time.

Religion might have been a good excuse, but his motivations were completely different.

>>12768901
I'd snuggle with Wakasagihime.

>>12768909
Are you a mermaid otaku too?

>>12768915
Of course.

>>12768919
I salute thee.

There's always somewhere to stick it in

>>12768932
Just keep the lewd under conermancer levels.

>>12768960
Never

>>12768879
No historical evidence of conversion. Supposedly Eastern Orthodox forever.

And all Romanians hate Turks. If you read their history, you'd understand why.

>>12768932
If uou have played some eroges with mermaid heroines you would know only their legs are turned into a tail while the pussy and ass is left as part of the human body.

>>12768970
True. Also largely the cause why he is considered a hero despite all his brutalities.

>>12768972
How do mermaids work anyway? A middle point between mammal and fish?

>>12769003
There are plenty of aquatic mammals, so probably like that

I don't see why a mermaid wouldn't work like a dolphin does.

Vlad Dracul was the only thing standing between his people and complete destruction and slavery. Wallachia was raped by the Turks, and the sole reason why he is remembered as "bloodthirsty" is because he used the same war tactics the Turks used - impalement and so on. Christian Europe was shocked because they considered this heathen as fuck. Vlad was a great protector of Christianitythough, and beloved by his subjects.

The entire Balkan region from Croats to Serbs to Romanians and so on hate the shit out of the Turks because they spent about 300 years fighting them. The Turks were savage as all hell and essentially a gigantic war machine, a vast empire. Most of the Balkan kingdoms at the time were small and left to die. The big european powers consistently refused to help them.

The reason why the Balkans are regarded as a savage, brutal place is because of the Turks and their lessons. After centuries of traumatic warfare all those tiny peoples simply gave up on the ideas of mercy and love, and since they tasted betrayal at the hands of the mighty they don't trust anyone.

The Turks however aren't dumb assholes either. From what I've gathered they have a kind of begrudging respect towards the Balkans and /int/ interaction between the two amounts to a few threats and then they "retreat" and talk very politely with each other. Fascinating.

And please don't use a fictional book (Bram Stoker's Dracula) as a source of historical information. Geez.

>>12769162
The Turks just were never the same after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

>>12769162
We weren't treating it as a historical fact, we were simply discussing vampires in a fantastic setting.

Also, no one here seems against what Vald did. He was a man in a difficult position, and he did what he thought was best. He did nothing wrong.

>>12769003
There's a partial traslation on danbooru.

>>12769087

they're half human half fish, not half human half mammal

>>12769247
>they're half human half fish, not half human half mammal

>>12766332
I bet you think you're a real funny guy.

>>12766468
>Vampires are apparently the Touhou equivalent of RPG players who take every weakness and drawback they can find in order to max out their character's stats.
and what about other touhous like Yukari/Onis/Moon Sues/Reimu?
They're more or less that but without the weaknesses.
Save for onis and beans for some reason.

>>12769350
>Save for onis and beans for some reason.
It is the traditional oni weakness. Also, they cannot lie, so it is easy to trick them.

>>12769350
Onis put everything into Strength and Constitution. They aren't overly bright and have a weakness for alcohol.

>>12769350
Reimu is like that one guy who buys every single upgrade available and kicks back while everyone else has to struggle through the more difficult fights.

>>12769350
All the upper tier touhous are more or less haxxy bs, for the shitting on touhou vamps they have a shit ton of weaknesses to make up for it.

>>12769358
That reminds me, have Suika and Tiny touhou done a thing yet? Go on tiny adventures?

>>12769349
the WORST

>>12769380
>Reimu is like that one guy who buys every single upgrade available and kicks back while everyone else has to struggle through the more difficult fights.
And she's not even using these upgrades at their 100% capacities. A Reimu that would controle all heer abilities at 100% would be fucking scary.

>>12769389
There are some fanarts of both of them doing tiny things.

>>12769389
Yes, Suika bullies Shinmyoumaru every once in a while.

>>12769368
But Suika seems to be more of a ancient Oni in the original sense of the word being a formless and hidden shadow something closer to a god.

If anything when it comes to Suika, she'd be more a low HP, high defenses, magical nuke like a red mage. It's even official that as fearsome as Suika's physical strength it's easy to forget she is spiritually the most powerful character in the series, she's a spell specialist.

>>12769162
Is the impalement of Turks the reason why they're now referred to as kebabs by people who want to remove them?

>>12769443
More probably because usually the turks are serving in kebab shop.

>>12769421
>If anything when it comes to Suika, she'd be more a low HP, high defenses, magical nuke like a red mage. It's even official that as fearsome as Suika's physical strength it's easy to forget she is spiritually the most powerful character in the series, she's a spell specialist.

There are very high chances that Kasen would be like that, if only she was an oni. Too bad she's a lowly human hermit.

>>12769181
it also helps that he was reincarnated into a cute girl.

>>12769396
The spell card rule was that everyone are not allowed to go 100% and at least give the opponent a chance to win.
It's basically a cold war dick teasing way to kill time before someone breaks the contract.
Every plot past 5 doesn't actually kill anyone, its just fucking annoying and Red-White-Black has to clean up.
Anyone have that track record of Reimu fucking up everyone's plan that literally wasn't hurting anyone?

Speaking of spell card rules, given that in Touhou games everyone fights all the time for no good reason has given me the impression that dueling is considered good manners and a form of greeting. To the addition of incident/incident solving danmaku of course.

>>12769389
Why would they? Sukuna's a decedent of an oni slayer and stole the miracle mallet from them.
Suika would have to be real chill if she lets that slide. Then again it's not Sukuna's fault that her family killed onis.

>>12769542
To be fair enough, it was the miracle hammer's usage that killed most of the Kobito.

>>12769540
it's like their version of ramshambo, also youkais die if they don't exercise, so spell cards benefits both sides. Huh but the draft says if a human wins, the youkai can't kill him, but what happens if they lose?

>>12769553
>If victorious against a human, you may not kill them.
Nevermind what a stupid rule.

>>12769547
They killed themselves like watching flies run into the light. Useless inchlings go home.

>>12769556
Youkai have many ways to feed:

Eating humans,
Through spirituality or faith gathering,
Human fears,
Human believing in their existence,

Doing some spellcard fights against humans help their existence.

>>12769582
I want to help Remilia's existence!

>>12769350
>Vampires have tremendous physical abilities and magical power: they are able to uproot a thousand-year-old tree single-handedly, to run through the human village within the blink of an eye, to summon many devils with a single word, to turn into bats or even mist to intrude anywhere they please, and they can recover within a single night even when their body is blown away, so long as their head is intact.
>Some youkai have abilities to this level of power, but only vampires are known to possess all of them. Because of this, they have charisma of the highest class.
>However, due to their extraordinary abilities, they have many weaknesses. First, they are weak against sunlight, so they are docile during the day. Neither can they move through flowing water, so they are docile on rainy days. They also cannot cross rivers. They can't approach a sardine head or a broken holly branch. Their skin will be burnt if someone throws roasted soybeans at them.

>>12769829
>to summon many devils with a single word
Is this a euphemism for ejaculation?

>>12769829
that article follows up by saying many of her weaknesses are false, being seen under sunlight, eating garlic, and swimming in a pool she installed in her backyard because she doesn't give a fuck.

Don't doubt the Remimi.

>>12769930

>>12769920
>that article follows up by saying many of her weaknesses are false, being seen under sunlight, eating garlic, and swimming in a pool she installed in her backyard because she doesn't give a fuck.

Remi: Not giving a fuck.

>>12769340
i want to be a merwolfman

>>12769920
She is still weakened by light. She cannot go out without at least an umbrella shielding her.

Or like Flandre says, she is full of shit.

>>12769920
Did she actually go swimming? Wasn't she just lounging around in a swimsuit?

>>12768879
Flan-cup.

>>12770302
>>12769920
Silent Sinner in Blue shows one of her wings starting to disintegrate when it's exposed to direct sunlight, and an Amaterasu summon can OHKO her. Plus in the fighters you can't use Remi in outdoor stages unless there's a Parasol card in her deck.

>>12770995

>>12766676
-wrong
-wrong
-wrong

do you fuckers even read the mangas or what?

>>12769920
the water in a swimming pool isn't flowing

>>12769340
Is that a SMT reference.

>>12771805
>mangas

>>12771686
someone actually summoned amaterasu? Was she cute?

>>12771897
Reminded me more of Breath of Fire

>>12771950
Wich BoF is that? I have only played 4 and midway of 3.

>>12768816
Remilia was certainly a Christian at one point, although how devout she was is open for question.

>>12766215

So at the end of the new Memories of Phantasm...Why is flan so mad at Remi..she just shows up with Meiling and trashes the shrine while everyone is lulzing about. Also Is Yukari sexually harassing Reimu at the end? She is hanging all over her until Ran shows up and starts yelling

>>12776021
Reimu is super interesting in Yukari's eyes.

>>12776035
Interesting

>>12776050
Interesting

>>12776060
Interesting

>>12776060

>>12776067
She just want another pet.

>>12776091
The funniest thing is that Tengu are heavy drinkers almost on part with Oni, too.

How weak are Christians in Gensokyo considering only Shinto deities exist, and their God can be counted as a fake?

I know Seiga mocked Jesuses resurrection time compared to Miko's(Which took 1000 years vs. 3 days). And, Rumia putting her hands up like how he was crucified.

>>12776098

>>12776098
Keyword is 'almost'.

Aya has explicitly acknowledged that whilst Tengu are amongst the heaviest drinking youkai even they would be drunk under the table by a Oni.

>>12776109
Tell that to the girl that weaponized Abrahamic religions.

>>12776021
>Why is flan so mad at Remi..
Because Remi left Flan behind since she wouldn't wake up, Sakuya mentioned it back in Ep 2.

>>12776127
Pc-98 doesn't count anymore. So, Christians are powerless.

>>12774258
Knowing Remi it was probably a spur of the moment weekly fad.

"I'm bored of being Christian now, Sakuya get me a dancing monkey."

>>12776143
Explain why Alice makes reference to the PC98 series. Or why Byakuren knows Shinki's spellcards.

>>12776214
Or why Yuuka is around, and already know Reimu / Marisa from previous encounters.

>>12776225
>>12776214
Because the word of God contradicts itself. Besides if Oza harmonized Abrahamic religions using science that proves Abrahamic religion is powerless in Gensokyo/hold no value.

>>12776241
The Christian god is backed by billions of followers giving it faith. I doubt it is powerless in Gensokyo. A lot of demon hunters in the outside world are Christians.

Also, Shinto acknowledge the existence of gods from other religions.

>>12776293
So the Christian God, and their devout followers should be Reimu, or Marisa lvl strong if they use their faith as a weapon/spell card?

>>12776298
Pretty much. Now you want to see Father Anderson taking a trip in Gensokyo.

>>12776298
Forgot to say. The very devout ones would be on part with Reimu, maybe. But most Christians would be about as spiritual as the Gensokyo humans, which can go against the average Youkai.

Even stage 1 bosses are considered non average. so the average Youkai are the ones with not enough spiritual powers to take human form.

>>12776298
They'd need to be an actual priest or monk, and a top-class one at that. Or maybe a saint.

Just how many vampires are there in Gensokyo? There are at least two, but apart from Remi and FLan, no other has been mentioned or aluded in the works.

Not to mention that Gensokyo is way too small to house a sizeable vampire population, even with a steady supply of humans gettign gapped into it.

>>12776379
That look is kinda scary, Koakuma.

>>12776376
That would be fun.

>>12776376
Also Catholics would likely have an edge over other sects due to age, size and structure (the Vatican has a ton of symbolic power just by existing), not to mention training actual exorcists.

>>12776397
Speaking of Koakuma, isn't her status as a stereotypical daemon PROVES that christianity has at least some sort of foothold in Gensokyo? You need the faith/belief/fear of a resident christian in order for a youkai/demon to exist inside Gensokyo.

>>12776376
Protestant Christians have a belief that all Christians are saints. Gensokoyo recognize Protestant Christians, and Catholic so being Protestant Christian makes you as holy as Miko if you carry the bible with you.

So if a Christian gets sucked into Gensokoyo, and encounter a non-average youkai(One's who don't look human) then they have a chance to defeat/subdue them?

>>12776433
Brandishing a cross or a prayer probably will fend it off, or if you go with Chick traits, then just mentioning Jesus will make them flee. But that is not fun at all.

>>12776424
Almost every single religion in the world has demons.

>>12776433
Maybe if they are trained in exorcism.

>>12776476
I want to weaponize Christianity in Gensokyo l, and spread it at a rapid pace all in the name of God.

And there's no possible consequences for weaponizing a 4B+ religion in a place where multiple deities don't have 15% of that.

>>12776433
>Protestant Christians have a belief that all Christians are saints.
Shinto has a belief that all things are gods. Buddhism has a belief that all things are Buddhas.
>being Protestant Christian makes you as holy as Miko if you carry the bible with you. So if a Christian gets sucked into Gensokoyo, and encounter a non-average youkai(One's who don't look human) then they have a chance to defeat/subdue them?
Theoretically anyone in Gensokyo could pick up Reimu's gohei and ofuda and fight youkai with them. They wouldn't do as much damage as Reimu, but it'd still be more effective than using objects with no symbolic power.

Japanese fiction mostly just uses crosses to signify that something is foreign and edgy, with little thought for their meaning. This is so ingrained that people in Gensokyo didn't even realise the vampiric cross weakness was a religious thing powered by faith, and assumed that vampires just hated the shape or something.
And Remilia uses cross-shaped attacks because she wants people to know that she's foreign and edgy.

>>12776021
Because it's fanmade, it's trying to appeal to secondaries rather than those that actually played the games because they realize they pretty much sodomized ZUNs story.

>>12776491
Most if not all religions have some sort of malevolent entities, but only medieval christianity starter with the leathery winged, horned variant.

>>12776527
Anime is always for secondaries.

>>12776534
Yeah, but they're integrated into Japanese pop culture in a pretty secular way. Assuming that everything with demons runs on Christianity is like assuming that every setting with dwarves has Yggdrasil and Odin.

>>12776555
The people inside Gensokyo have been stuck there since the medieval age. This is not modern Japan or your typical JRPG setting. It is far more likely that some missionaries survived the shogunate purge by fleeing into Gensokyo at some point.

>>12776527
>People shit all over the fanime where Reimus donation box/other objects go missing.

>People like the fanime that lazily retells bastardized ZUN-canon with 'muh head canon' to the point that its fans have the audacity to think it retcons official game story as they parrot it like fucking retards.
Sometimes I hate this fanbase. This is a prime example of why ZUN doesn't want an official anime.

>>12776578
>The people inside Gensokyo have been stuck there since the medieval age.

Actually, they are stuck inside Gensokyo since 1885.

>>12776587
You mean the year that Gensokyo was sealed from the Material World. Gensokyo existed long before that. the Hieda clan, for example, has been recording its history since the 700 in the year of our Lord.

>>12776587
>>12776594
Oh wait, nevermind. Reading comprehension. Yes, people have been stuck in Gensokyo since then, but disbelief was setting on the heart of mankind since 300 BC.

>>12776594
Yes, but back then, Gensoyko wasn't gensokyo, it was only a part of Japan.

>>12776581
Is the missing donation box one ever getting a third episode? It's sooo much better.

>>12776021
Wait, are you talking about 3 or 4? Or something else?

>>12776581
>to the point that its fans have the audacity to think it retcons official game story as they parrot it like fucking retards.
Where are these fans you're talking about again?

>>12776618
Sounds like the standard secondary shit, the larger deposits of them tend to inhabit places like Deviantart and Youtube.
I'd wager it's the latter as the comment sections will be full of them and likely on the video of the fanime itself.

>>12776618

4

>>12776629
Sounds like the usual retarded bullshit some /jp/ers say to look more "cool". I sometimes read comments on youtube. Yeah, pad jokes and CIRNO BAKA comments are pretty common, but everyone understands it's a fan made anime. And in the end >>12776581 is the only retarded person in this thread so far.

Also I just got one of those "one click" captchas. I clicked I am not a robot. and it then made me solve the captcha anyway. Also it took longer than the normal captcha to check the solve.


WAY TO GO GUYS!

I just want one fan made anime episode with the screenplay written by ZUN.

>>12776676
Pick any WaHH/FS/Fairy manga chapter (or two if they are connected) and imagine it was made into an anime episode. Would you enjoy it? I wouldn't.

New captcha broke 4chanX, fuck this shit.

>>12776684
I'd take an episode of Touhous playing around like this. And it would be official without having it's soul sold to corporations.

I am guessing this is the same as the inkblot captchas in they are revenge for anyone who doesn't login to a google account or ccleans cookies regularly.

My fucking captcha is blinking on and off now and flying around now.

/

You have gotta be fucking kidding me.

>>12776699
It's clearly possessed by a ghost.

>>12776729

RAGE!

>>12776581
Thankfully kancolle took a lot of those latter types away.

>>12776727
Those are both men.

>>12776740
Ghost! I am actually reading about the new recaptcha. Moot might use matching images instead of using words like it is right now.

>>12776753

>>12776753
>requiring a mouse

>>12776778
Are you a robot?!

>>12776512
>Theoretically anyone in Gensokyo could pick up Reimu's gohei and ofuda and fight youkai with them.

So could anyone non-Christian pick up the Bible, and use it to fend off Youkai? And how does one harness the power of their religion because >>12776424 isn't helping much.

>>12776823
It is all belief related, I think. A bible is worthless in the hands of, say, an atheist, as would the ofuda or buddhist prayer beads. All sacred artifacts draw power from whatever deity it is that backs them. In short, you cannot ask favors of someone who you do not know.

>>12776853
Man that's down right intelligent. I wonder how powerful Christians are in Gensokyo because of that belief system (The more they believe, the more powerful a Christian?). And I wonder what Christian spell cards raw(Not powered by artificial magic) would look like.

>>12776866
Well, Sanae can ask favors from good ol' YHWH on a whim, which is pretty damn impressive.

>>12776893
Sanae is a Jew. This is why Suwako kidnapped her, and made her into a shrine maiden.

Or the entire Moriya family is a family of godly descendants that worship another God.

>>12776853
Personal belief doesn't matter in Touhou universe, it's all about what general belief is.
For example in general people think that vampires are weak to sunlight and garlic. It means that vampire would be weak to those things even in front of a person who never heard about vampires. So if there is a general belief that youkai dies from a bible, it would die even if attacked by atheist. Unfortunately since majority of Gensokyo's youkai have japanese origins they are probably not affected by western believes.

Dirty Jew.

>>12776918
True, but how do you deal with conflicting beliefs?

>>12776866
I'm pretty sure that Reimu's powers comes from her immense faith.
Although it's supposedly innate or something for her too.

>>12776918
But a General belief of Christianity regardless of a person is that God is the one true God, and power & blessings surpass any other gods, and any follower of his is blessed/protected by him.

Not to mention 4billion people vs Gensokoyo estimated 400 or so human beliefs.

>>12776929
Ram them in.

Youkai have not much difficulties powering their existence through the belief of their existence. I doubt the Christian god have difficulty to do something like that too.

>>12776955
The monotheistic judeochristian deity says that no other god exists, but there are spirits and such with power/ruling over things. From an average human POV they could be called gods, even if they all draw water from the same source. No wonder so many people revere saints and angels even though they are all servants of equal standing to the same being.

So even if Remilia claims that she is strong against garlic and water, it is far more likely that you can harm her with it because belief says otherwise.

>>12776955
But wasn't Gensokyo created to protect youkai from outside influence? While the border protects them from modern society's disbelief in supernatural stuff it should also protect youkai from any other believes including Christianity.

Anyway, I think God's power is greatly reduced in modern society. For example zombies, God's word does nothing to them. You can kill them with a shotgun, but not with holy water and prayers. Same shit with aliens, giant sea monsters, etc.

>>12776992
Do not bully Remi.

>>12777003
Gensokyo was created to stop the fighting. Youkai's vs. Humans, Youkai's top humans easily with their destructive powers easily.

>>12777003
Belief and faith still pour in from the outside world. Take the Hakurei Shrine for example. The god enshrined inside of it still receive a little bit of faith from the rare people that come to worship the outside world part of the Hakurei Shrine.

>>12777019
Actually, by the year 1880, the Youkai were losing the battle against humans, due to the spreading of technology and science explaining most Youkai's supernatural cause. This is why this fine lady and the Dragon God made the barrier.

>>12777030
What? That's fucking not true. She's not a fine lady, she's a shitty old bitch.

>>12777030
The Dragon God sounds like the Christian God as he worshipped by all Gensokyo residents, and nobody except possibly Reimu & Marisa would challenge him. And he is everywhere in Gensokoyo, and can do everything easily.

>>12777039
Totally not a bitch.

>>12777041
in before it is the god enshrined in Hakurei.

>>12777046
That translation doesn't make any sense.

>>12777046
I want to exterminate every last Youkai because of Yukari.

>>12777041
>>12777046
It is a very strong suspicion.

The Gensokyo system of "faith" is completely nonsensical when applied to Abrahamic Religions and thinking too much about it will accomplish nothing.

The concept of using "special holy magical powers" to kill demons could be considered heretical. Interestingly enough, the ability to "manipulate fate" could be one of the most proper abilities in regards to western religions in Gensokyo, which makes Remilia rather interesting. This is considering the concept of a "Divine Plan."

In regards to Abrahamic Faiths, the deities of Gensokyo should straight up not exist. But I guess if a believer considers the present false deities to be deceiving proponents of "Satan" in opposition to the One True God, well then faith and religious items/symbols should supposedly work against them.

>>12777064
She just want to send household youkai in the outside world to find some prime targets to spirit away, to be eaten by the Gensokyo wild Youkai

>>12777075
Think of Gensokyo as the Warp from Warhammer 40k.

>>12777075
>In regards to Abrahamic Faiths, the deities of Gensokyo should straight up not exist. But I guess if a believer considers the present false deities to be deceiving proponents of "Satan" in opposition to the One True God, well then faith and religious items/symbols should supposedly work against them.

Actually, faith in Gensokyo works like the Warhamer 40k Orkz. Even nonsensical things will start to work if you believe into it hard enough.

Take Eiki Shiki. She was a jizou statue (some kind of statues found on the side of old Japanese roads, giving you luck for the travel if you pray to it) And she received enough faith to gain divine powers and becoming an Yama.

Now, pray to the Yama.

>>12777075
>The concept of using "special holy magical powers" to kill demons could be considered heretical.
Actually in the bible many followers of God such as Moses, John, and etc were given holy magical powers, some capable of actually commanding demons, and getting rid of them.

Next thing I think the belief/faith system of Gensokyo isn't really believing/putting hope into something I think it's the simple thought of: Cogito ergo sum.

I think therefore I exist.

I think even for a second another God exist next to my God, because I thought the t exist they do even after i still stop believing in them

>>12777088
I wonder what kind of road she was in to be elected to become a judge of hell.

>>12777102
The Road of Reconsideration

>>12777107
That's already in Gensokyo. She was a judge of hell before that, wasn't she?

>>12777097
I wonder how that would play into the concept that the Abrahamic God eternally exists regardless of faith or knowledge of. A meaning of The Name is "I AM" after all

It's interesting to note that no one knows who Reimu worships, nor does anyone visit her shrine, yet she is one of the most powerful beings in Gensokyo

Who knows, maybe Reimu was fated to be lazy, poor, and in the middle of nowhere, least she actively gather faith and potentially put all of Gensokyo at risk

>>12777030

Wrong. They were not losing the battle at all. The really powerful Youkai can wreck humans perfectly fine technology or not.

Gensokyo was created to preserve the world that was dying. All the weaker youkai species that were threatened and their way of life. It's not about fighting a war with humanity at all.

>>12777075

It's nonsensical when applied to official doctrines of Christianity. And who ever claimed those make any sense or are true? It's just one of many religions and in Touhou all of them are real.

>>12777172
No, wrong both of you. Gensokyo was sealed because youkai were getting faith/belief starved. So they took what little people still believed in the and sealed themselves in for strict self-preservation.

No faith,no youkais.

>>12777121

She became a Yama when new Hell was created to replace the Ten Kings and their outdated, inefficient system. I don't think we have the exact date for that.

>>12777189

Even Akyu stated that youkai could easily get the faith again if they cared. Yukari could just port to Tokyo and slaughter a bunch of people in broad daylight. Suddenly everybody would believe in monsters again.

And a ton of people actually believe in monsters these days. Just look at all the movies, books and comics. Vampires are probably more popular than ever.

>>12777064
Nothing wrong with protecting your interests.
Same planet, even.

>>12777172
>>12777200
You're completely wrong. Read this:
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Yukari_Yakumo, 妖怪拡張計画 section
Also read SoPM dialogues. And you can read this chapter of WaHH: >>12777046.

>Just look at all the movies, books and comics.
Where all the monsters are defeated by humans. And guess what, I haven't seen a single film about tengus, tsukumogamis and other inhabitants of Gensokyo


>>12777189
How is >>12777030 wrong? Technology and science spread was the reason of faith/belief starvation.

>>12777200
>And a ton of people actually believe in monsters these days.
>Just look at all the movies, books and comics.
What sells, sells, but does it really make people 'actually believe' in it?
Not just occasional 'meh, they exist, I think, uhh', but actual belief, without giving you a strange expression?
How many people is a ton on a global scale, what are the odds you're not exaggerating?

>>12777210

Youkai were not losing a war. At all. They were just getting forgotten because of science replacing superstitions. They could find new sources of fate or force humans to fear them again, but choose not to.

Akyu says they were weakening at the time of her 8th reincarnation, but it's not the case anymore.

>From my perspective, the power of today's youkai has not weakened; on the contrary, it's too much for the small area that is Gensokyo.

They were even speaking recently how the modern world can create new Youkai. Like ones based on Aliens or modern urban legends.

>>12777250

More people believe in stuff like Yeti, Chupacabra or Roswell than there was humans on the planet few thousands years ago.

>>12777142
Considering how broken her natural ability is compared to the sea of broken abilities that is gensokyo, its a decent theory.

>>12777142
>No one knows who Reimu worships.
Rinnosuke straight out says he knows who the God of the Hakurei shrine is, but never told Reimu.

>>12777258
That makes little sense. Why would youkai care not to forcibly bring attention to them when they see humans as nothing but cattle?

>>12777258
You must be retarded. What war are you even talking about? There was never any "war". At all.

Also Akyuu was talking about youkai in Gensokyo only. Of course they are not weakened INSIDE the barrier because that was the whole reason this fucking barrier was created.

Your comments about going outside and slaughtering few people just proves that you totally have no understanding about how Touhou universe works.

>>12777293

Akyu wonders why they won't just leave the barrier to slaughter people. Because she knows they can. And there are still many youkai living in the outside world.

>>12777319
Why should they?

>>12777293

There was. The Gensokyo barrier was originally created by humans to keep the youkai inside. Yukari used and changed that seal to what it is now. It was changed two times actually.

>>12777293
The "war" is a war over beliefs and existence. Not a conventional war. Youkai were on the losing side of it because the humans started being more rational with science and technology.

>>12777327
How lunarians manage to keep both?

>>12777349
Cheating

>>12777349
>>12777353
Biggest cheaters there is.

What's up with /jp/ today?

>>12777325
>The Gensokyo barrier was originally created by humans to keep the youkai inside
Fucking source? There is none. You're spreading complete bullshit here.

>>12777327
Do you even know the meaning of the word "war"? Youkai can't fight humans for existence, because humans are their existence. And never in history human existence were threatened by youkai. I get what you're trying to say, but this is not a war, not conventional, not metaphorical. It's not even a fight. Youkai were just becoming weaker, that's it. Just like some animal species are disappearing in modern world because of humans. Humans are not at war with those animals and neither animals are at war with humans.

>>12777319
While they might be strong in Gensokyo, their power can be nil outside. Youkai outside are not the same as youkai inside. Even if they kill few people most likely they won't stay the same youkai they were before. Because no one remembers about them today. They can try to become a new urban legend, but they have no chance in a "war" to take over humanity with all its weaponry and machines.

>>12777382
Read the prologue of Perfect Cherry Blossom.

>>12777389
You're mistaking "human sages" helping to construct the Barrier to mean the humans just wanted to seal the youkai away and succeeded, as if it was an act against youkai purely by humans and wasn't a collaborative effort with several benefits, which it was.
Why the hell do you think there was a "battle" involved.

>>12777389
Oh yeah, forgot about that since it was completely retconed in PMiSS.
Great fucking job, ZUN.

I'm not a robot.

>>12777382
>Urban Legend
It's a Urban Legend in Limbo.

>>12766215

She chooses to lose. That, and she likely doesn't like/know/want to abuse her powers to her fullest extent.

>>12769350

Moonsues have the weakness of having as much common sense as a potato; they managed to get in a conflict against the USA, and it was implied that they were ground to at least a stalemate before they managed to declare peace; admittedly most likely because is Uncle Sam had them by the nuts as far as controlling their secrecy.

And lots of their current technology is "take what those neanderthals on Earth are making, slap magic on it, hand it to rabbits; repeat".

Holy shit guys all I wanted to do was talk about my waifu, I come back and we got the entire gensokyo political campaign.

>>12777806
Remember, vote Miko to remove Youkai.

>>12776021
dude this aint canon if I made an anime with marisa becoming a futa would that make it official?

>>12776109
Shou is a reincarnation of a buddist god, but that's the only non shinto deity I can think of.
>but that she spread her ten fingers as if she'd counted to 10.
Besides if there are not christian gods in gensokyo how would they know the reference?

>>12776379
I read somewhere that when Remilla first arrived at Gensokyo, she killed all the vampires, it is not confirmed that Remi was involved in the vampire incident.

>>12777838
Shou is more like an Avatar of Bishamonten than his reincarnation. Funny how we call Byakuren "Youkai Jesus" when the one that,s the nearest of being an Youkai Jesus is Shou.

>>12776602
rumor that zun personally requested a stop to it, and it hired alot of famous VAs too.

>>12777848
I think it's more on her action of saving youkais than actual god status, plus she's the one to convince Shou to become an Avatar to gather faith.

>>12777881
Nudas?

>>12777815

If enough people accepted it...Yes.

Though, Touhou is more about continuity then it is canon, anyway.

>>12777815
It would be for stupid people.

>>12777857
So why is the other one still around? Seems like it stomps on more zun continuity than the other one.

>>12777969
you could speculate that either it's because the art quality is better than actual anime studios, or maybe they have personal connections, or ZUN is drunk and getting busy with his wife.

>>12777969
I think it's more in PV style.

>>12777969

Is the other Summer's Day Dream?

>>12777847
>I read somewhere that when Remilla first arrived at Gensokyo, she killed all the vampires, it is not confirmed that Remi was involved in the vampire incident
uh no
if there's ever mention of a vampire, especially "that vampire", it's remilia

Remi is mai waifu

>>12766417
>autogib
Gungnir is only destined to strike the target, but no specific location (can be headshot, or foot).

Autogib is Gae Bolg
>inb4 gay bulge

>>12783771
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRwy1Nu5Q2I

>>12777382

Youkai are not weaker outside at all. Mamizou was doing perfectly fine. And normal human weapons can't even harm a youkai.

Of course youkai won't ever go to a traditional war with humans. Humans are their prey. They are the apex predator.

Good predators don't let the pray know they are even there until it's too late.

>>12783771
Gae Bolg isn't autogib either, it needs to hit. I meant autogib as in Odin doesn't need to do shit for it to strike, he just says "go go gadget gungnir" and it does its thing.

If you really want a true autogib spear, then I guess there's Gae Assail, that thing fights on its own until the enemy dies.

>>12783891
>Youkai are not weaker outside at all. Mamizou was doing perfectly fine. And normal human weapons can't even harm a youkai.
This is a clever catch-22 ZUN throws in. Youkai technically wouldn't be weaker if they were outside, but if they were said to cause ruckus outside, humans would try to rationalize it away as something else. As such, youkai -can't- ever be said to cause ruckus outside (besides retrospectively), because to do so would mean they actually existed (for real). As such, youkai that need to cause ruckus are "weakened" because humans don't believe they're the ones that cause ruckus.

In the same way, you can say human weapons can't harm a youkai, but if you were ever to hurt something with a weapon, you would then say "well I guess that was a totally normal person/creature". Meanwhile if something doesn't get hurt, people might be more inclined to say it was a youkai. It's a soft form of witch trials.

Mamizou and other tanuki can freely live in the outside because they can easily take on the form of humans. They aren't noticed as youkai, so they can say that they aren't weakened outside.

>>12783891
Man, you should read less zounouse.

You should understand that all touhou youkai are youkai from actual japanese folklore. They have exactly same abilities, they obey the same rules as in japanese legends and fairy tales. So they "immune" to normal weapons only if folklore says so. For example vampire can't be killed with a sword, we all know that. But for example magician like Patchouli can be easily killed with a single dagger stab just like any normal human (unless it's a strong magician, you will need to cut her head off then). And don't forget that modern weaponry just didn't exist back then so folklore doesn't say anything about it. In movies/books/anime you can often see ancient vampires slain by machinegun and flamethrowers.

And regarding youkai "predators" - back in times people were really afraid to go outside alone in the dark, they really believed they can be eaten by youkai. Every unknown death, every missing person could be blamed on youkai. But how many people do disappear without a trace nowadays? How many cases with undetermined death cause do we have today? It's clear as day there is almost no predator youkai left in modern world.

So are Christians OP or not in Gensokyo?

>>12784115
What does bible teach you to do when you meet a cute little girl vampire who want to kill you? Oh, is there nothing about vampires at all in that book? I guess Christians is extremly weak then.

>>12784101
http://www.amazon.com/Missing-411-Western-United-States-Canada/dp/1466216298

>>12784101
Youkai are immune to physical weapons because they're stories and you don't kill stories by stabbing them. If you just up and stabbed Patchouli, it wouldn't do shit. If you fought Patchouli in her wizard tower (library), crushed her power source (books) and then ran her through with a sword and the blessing of your patron god, then that may do the trick. You're right that the story can change, so vampires can get roasted in sunlight even though they just kind of didn't like it in the original folklore, but until we start seeing flamethrowers as the go-to anti-vampire weapons in popular culture, you aren't going to roast Remilia that way.

>And regarding youkai "predators" - back in times people were really afraid to go outside alone in the dark, they really believed they can be eaten by youkai. Every unknown death, every missing person could be blamed on youkai. But how many people do disappear without a trace nowadays?
You'd best be kidding, fear of the unknown is still very much a thing. Electricity was a big hit to youkai, sure, but there are still a fuckton of urban legends going around in every part of the world. It's just that we swapped fairies and gods for cryptids, ghosts and little green men.

>>12784131
What does any religion teach you about a little girl vampire? None so the same can be said about every r rule religion in Gensokyo meaning Reimu faith thing is bull shit.

>>12784152
>If you fought Patchouli in her wizard tower (library), crushed her power source (books) and then ran her through with a sword and the blessing of your patron god
I'm sorry, what? We are talking about japanese folklore here and they never had any shit you wrote here. No, it's uncommon even for West. Towers, blessed swords, it's like all your knowledge about magicians is based on Disney cartoons.

>You'd best be kidding, fear of the unknown is still very much a thing
I recommend you to go outside at least once. Urban legends? Haven't heard a single one since I turned 12. I didn't hear them much even before that.

>>12784234
>We are talking about japanese folklore
No, we're talking about Patchouli, who is a Western high fantasy magician, so she should be weak to Western high fantasy methods. Besides, which Disney movie even had a magic sword, except the obvious one where the magician wasn't exactly a prime target for stabbing because he was the chief advisor of the magic sword guy?

>I recommend you to go outside at least once.
>Urban legends? Haven't heard a single one since I turned 12.
Alright, so guess it's you who should be going outside more. We had half a dozen local monsters in my hometown alone, my own grandmother figured in one.

I guess you wouldn't be exposed to this sort of thing if you lived in a big town all your life, but in rural villages this shit is very much alive. But guess you can't expect Mr. "nobody goes missing in the modern world anymore" to know this, can you now?

>You'd best be kidding, fear of the unknown is still very much a thing. Electricity was a big hit to youkai, sure, but there are still a fuckton of urban legends going around in every part of the world. It's just that we swapped fairies and gods for cryptids, ghosts and little green men.
>Urban Legends

That's pretty much what Touhou 14.5 will be about. Modern ages is causing the death of most old style Youkai. But modern urban legends are a breeding ground for a new generation of Youkai.

>>12784277
I dunnot about you guys, but nowadays urban legends are some of the most fucked up stories I have heard, ranging from the bizarre to the downright nightmarish. Old youkais ain't got shit on them.

>>12784277
>>12784315

Slender man youkai soon?

>>12784315
Nah, old stories were hardcore too. My favorite is the Aztec water monster that drags you down and eats only your teeth and fingernails. It usually drowns its victims, but you can actually survive the extraction process.

Besides, the best WoD character was that old changeling woman who completely fucked over her Fae captor with Xanatos-level dickery.

>>12784053
>In the same way, you can say human weapons can't harm a youkai, but if you were ever to hurt something with a weapon, you would then say "well I guess that was a totally normal person/creature". Meanwhile if something doesn't get hurt, people might be more inclined to say it was a youkai. It's a soft form of witch trials.
I recall there was a few chapters dedicated to explaining this in Curiousities of Lotus Asia and one of the main topics of Symposium of Post Mysticism elaborated some more through Kanako. It's actually quite a major topic which gets thrown about a lot by the higher level youkai.

>>12784115
No. It depends entirely on the individual, and you'd need training in exorcism to make use of your power anyway. Bear in mind that most of the religious types we've seen aren't just everyday worshippers, they're gods and saints.

>>12784273
>big town
Actually, it pops up in big towns too.

>>12776406
Man, imagine bringing a Reliquary to Gensokyo. Thing would have so much holy energy it would probably project a Youkai disintegration field.

>>12784534
Erm, you realise that all Shinto shrines are reliquaries right?
If you only mean relics as in the body parts of saints, there are actual living saints running around like Miko and Byakuren.

>>12777088
I'm going to make that scale tip over and she'll fall off!

>>12766567
>>12766631

disregarding the septette part, and ZUN being a drunkard, she could be considered a dead princess. Vampires are a kind of undead aren't they? And she could have been a princess before she became a vampire.

>>12769528

This?

>>12787539
But she's a devil-type youkai, which are not undeads, probably due to being a natural born.
The theory behind this is that there'd be a bit of a problem with waiting 5 years to turn Flandre into a vampire also.
If they were both turned at the same time Flandre probably wouldn't have survived the process and if she had she'd be a toddler.

>>12784624
Actually, Miko is the only canon saint e know of in Gensokyo, Byakuren isn't one.

>>12787672
>Hijiri Byakuren is not a saint
>聖 Byakuren
https://translate.google.com/?tab=wT#ja/en/聖

>>12784624
Reliquaries had so much faith revolving around them theyd generate their own economy just by being in a church. Why do you think europeans built all those hugeass cathedrals? They literally couldnt fit all the pilgrims in regular dized basillicas. People would walk hundreds of miles to see one. Theyd be faithnukes.

>>12787672
Saints and hermits are very nearly one and the same anyway. They both are holy people who get spiritual powers, the only difference is that saints tend to be born that way and hermits have to live in the mountains under a waterfall for ten years or whatever.

>>12787742
Sounds like they'd be roughly on par with a lesser Shinto deity. Not to shit on Christianity or anything, but that's how it goes.

>>12766631
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavane_pour_une_infante_d%C3%A9funte

>When asked by the composer-conductor Manoah Leide-Tedesco how he arrived at the title Pavane pour une infante défunte, Ravel smiled coyly and replied, "Do not be surprised, that title has nothing to do with the composition. I simply liked the sound of those words and I put them there, c'est tout".

>>12776424
>although the character may believe that this power comes from a higher power, it is actually the strength of his or her belief that protects him or her.
I always thought this was bullshit. Like, you can just believe in your ability to fight monsters and it'll happen or what?

>>12776893
That's not asking favours from YHWH, that's the generalized ability to invoke miracles. Moses splitting the sea is up there with water turning into wine as far as a "classic" miracle goes, so it falls under the jurisdiction of her power.

Furthermore, it's just Sanae naming a spell card after it.

>>12777075
>In regards to Abrahamic Faiths, the deities of Gensokyo should straight up not exist.
And according to esoteric Taoism, Buddha shouldn't exist either. And yet Seiga and Byakuren continue to have fights and each of them draws strength from their respective tradition.

>>12777097
I think it's more like Gensokyo draws strength from the rejection of the outside world. It becomes realer the more fantastic it becomes.

>>12784152
>If you just up and stabbed Patchouli, it wouldn't do shit
Patchouli is a former human with magical powers. If you up and stabbed her, she would die if not for magical countermeasures. This is different from a youkai that is a spiritual entity and draws life essence from human belief.

>>12790779
Patchouli was born a Magician.

I have a feeling 70% of the fandom only read the wikia, watch the videos and have never played the actual games.

Most fandoms do this. They'll introduce their friends in something using the most popular videos and fan-created material, which will spawn more fags who cannot into Touhou power levels and game canon.

Not to mention the fact this series is just a shitfest of spiritual/cultural concepts mashed in as cute females with bullet spamming powers. ZUN doesn't even know what he makes certain characters, filled with flaws, but the fanbase makes something up to cover it.

You're ruining my life, /jp/.

>>12790837
Then avoid dumb discussions like this one.

>>12790833
Oh, you're right. Silly me, I'd forgotten. Still, part of Patchouli's nature is that she dies when she is killed. Even as a youkai, she's one that's almost indistinguishable from people. She's basically a human with a natural affinity for magic, who increases and extends her powers through study of something that exists outside of her. She's not the same as an ordinary youkai whose powers are more or less set and in any case based on how people at large feel about them.

>>12790837
Syncretism is part of the Asian tradition. There's nothing too wrong about all these spiritual/cultural concepts co-existing: they co-existed in Japan!

>>12790837

The games are garbage so the characters are only good for being typical loli dykes.