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no

>>12490830
They need to sell genius.

>>12490830
nigga you forgot meiko and kaito you turbonerd
get gud faggot

>>12490830
IA is pretty cute.

>>12491189
Slut.

>>12490830
Crypton shill pls go. Honestly the only good Crypton vocaloid is Miku.

Maybe if Miku was actually a good singer then more Vocaloids wouldn't be made.

*You really only need Gumi
I fixed your error.

Teto has a smile I want to protect!

>>12491407
Teto isn't a vocaloid, but that doesn't mean she isn't the best!

You don't need Miku because she sounds like shit.

But gakupo and gumi
and kaito
and yukari's nice too but she's never used, same goes for nekomura

>>12490830
But that's boring. Why would you limit yourself to just three? Branch out and listen to others. Besides, those three have pretty outdated voice banks.

>>12490830
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>>12491201
Why?

I have been known as an anime freak as. well , my friends have a habit saying miku hatsune is my wife ~ and I totally agree on it XD

>>12491747
i'm glad for you man i really am

>>12491236
Only because she has a v3. Luka will wipe the floor with her when her v3 gets released. The Miku appends are pretty damn good though.

>>12491488
Those are fighting words, faggot

>>12492614
Not him, but sorry she does.

What about Meiko and Kaito?

Are they too old now?

>>12492619
Say that to my face and not online. I'll REK u m8.

seems people are divided into 3 camps:
- those who don't like vocaloid
-those who like other vocaloids but hate miku
-those who like miku but don't care about the others

I like Miku and also other vocaloids. A variety of voice types is nice. Nobody pointed out OP's omission of Len even though he's much more popular than Kaito or Meiko and also a Cryptonloid.

vFlower best up-and-comer

>>12490830
>You only really need Miku
ftfy

>>12492639
Meiko's cool, but almost nobody can actually tune her right so most songs she's used in sound like shit.

BIG AL is the best.

>>12494053
>miku piloting a plane plastered all over with images of herself

>>12491391
This, how could anyone not like gumi? She is by far the most realistic vocaloid out there and the only one that could really make it out in the normy market.

>>12494172
if i had that bad boy i'd plaster my self all over it too
but i'd miku first

>>12494332
She's not the most realistic. That's perhaps Yukari, but it's debatable.

She does have a sound that matches "normy" tastes more, because the trend for a long time has been toward huskier sounding female vocalists and Gumi has a raspy sounding voice.

I prefer the crystal clear, cherubic sounding female vocals from Miku and others. My taste in vocalists is more classically influenced than normalfag influenced.

>>12494332
Avanna is already normie.
https://soundcloud.com/porter-robinson/sad-machine

what is your favorite vocaloid album joypee??
i like nakanoise - ナガレモノノ儀 the best...

>>12495280
She isn't anywhere outside of that song though

http://www.mikufan.com/2014/09/17/

Where is your god now

>>12495573

miku is my god. so she's in new york i guess xD

>>12491488
benefits of liking vocaloid
>vocals you know you will enjoy
>new albums monthly
>infinite fan-art and merchandise
>spans almost all music genres

jokes on you kid

>>12495573
I liked it better when they weren't trying to force her onto the West so fucking hard.
Those Toyota commercials were bad enough, but between Lady Gaga, Pharrell Williams, and now late night talk show guest spots, it's like they're intentionally trying to run her into the ground as fast as possible.

Miku sucks, it's such a waste to give her all the good songs. Gumi and Luka deserves better. But still, human cover is more enjoyable.

>>12495960
>human cover is more enjoyable.
Not always. And it's not like if Miku declines, the other Vocaloids will shine. If Miku dies, Vocaloid dies.

>>12495949
It's funny because some people get mad that Crypton and other companies don't cater to the west enough (no english vocaloid software, manuals, availability, websites, etc) while other people like you think it's better to keep it in Japan.

From a commercial perspective it's important to keep expanding, since the Japanese market is already saturated. From all the new vocaloid releases, vocaloid must have been (must be) quite profitable.

Also interesting to note that Crypton hasn't released a new character for a long time, which I think is a mistake. They should have joined the other companies and produced more, or at least invest or acquire/form a subsidiary that releases more voicebanks and characters. Or maybe the have. Being a non-public company means we can't see what the hell they're up to.

>>12490830
you forgot haku, the best one

>>12490830
miku's voice is so awful it becomes physically painful to listen to her

>>12495976
I don't think that Vocaloid needs to stay in Japan, necessarily, it's just that I don't really think this is the right to do it. I don't think they're familiar with the demographic of people who watch David Letterman. Like, if you made a Venn diagram of "people who watch Letterman" and "prospective Vocaloid consumers", there would be no overlap at all. Or with the Toyota commercials, it's just product placement for the sake of product placement. It'd be like having a product placement for a Razer gaming headset in "The Notebook". I'm not saying I think trying to expand is bad, I just don't agree with the way that they're doing it. Also, I wonder what kind of person they're trying to target by doing this. If they're trying to target people who want to buy and use the software, the people who, like you said, complain about them not catering Vocaloid to Western producers, then I would think improving the software for Westerners would be the best way to do that, not by putting her in Pepsi commercials.

>>12491189
IA is the one that would look the cutest clinging to your arm.

I feel like IA would work best as the voice for slower parts in fast songs.

>>12495976

>(no english vocaloid software, manuals, availability,

Wut?
http://en.vocaloidstore.com/
http://en.vocaloidstore.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=6346&productname=
http://en.vocaloidstore.com/index.php?gOo=goods_details.dwt&goodsid=6341&productname=
(Complete with an English manual).
http://www.bigfishaudio.com/Hatsune-Miku-V3-English
http://www.zero-g.co.uk/store/vocaloid-avanna-p502.php
http://www.mikubook.com/

(For the record I have all software listed above, the picture's from the English Vs editor).


There's plenty of English vocaloids, the problem is that they -ALL- suck. Because -English- sucks for vocaloids. Too arbitrary in terms of sounds. Is it the 'o' as in 'bowl' or 'other'? A in apple or father? etc. Japanese's consistency with sounds was basically what saved it.

English Miku in particular is unintelligible without subs. I appreciate that they brought back Saki Fujita for Miku English, but when I heard that first demo song I knew she was dead. I tried listening to it without the subs first and literally had no idea what she was saying; being fluent in English and reasonable in Japanese.

As for new ones from Crypton; there aren't the sales. No one's good on the English scene, so there's nothing to drive it. The Japanese one's slowing down, and none of the recent vocaloids haven even gained enough recognition to be noteworthy (like the Galaco Neo, v flower, Anon/Kanon, Rana, etc).

They've hit peak, and unless they can somehow turn around the English market they've only got decline left. Maybe shoot for Spanish, but I haven't really seen Carla and Bruno doing too well.

>>12490830
I only need IA and Gumi actually.

>>12496006
You make a good point about targeting actual software users. I think there is more money from licensing characters, goods, games, events, and shows than actual software sales. Again, there is very little financial data available so I have no idea about how lucrative these contracts are. If you think about it though, producers are very few in numbers compared to fans who will spend tons of money on nendos, figures, tickets and games.

I think what they're doing right now is to finally step into the West. They've set up Twitter, added a lot of good content to their Youtube page, made improvements to the English page (like Piapro) , and are quite ready this time (unlike with Toyota in 2011(?)). They are timing it with the Miku Expos obviously, and probably bet a good chunk of funds for this. They need every bit of attention they can get, not just to sell out the tickets but to make sure the talk about Miku doesn't die down after the concerts. Hopefully this will leader to higher software sales, but more importantly game sales; PJD could be making Crypton more money than the actual voicebanks.

The 'curse' with having a popular figure like Miku is that every dollar you spent on advertising her benefits your competitors.

>>12496012
Thanks for the information. I've heard from a few people had negative experience with CFM and that they "have no intention of selling to overseas customers" or something, albeit this was (maybe more than) one year ago. And I agree with you about English Miku. Using V3 Japanese Miku to make here sing Engrish beats Miku English any day.

> and none of the recent vocaloids haven even gained enough recognition to be noteworthy (like the Galaco Neo, v flower, Anon/Kanon, Rana, etc).
Rana is too early to say IMO, although the timing was a few years late. With so many vocaloids, I feel like they're just putting them out there hoping one will be the next GUMI.

>>12496058
I think it's too early to call flower's popularity too. She's getting some use, but it's hard to tell if it's just Yamaha promoting her or if there's a real groundswell of interest.

>>12496012
As for them having supposedly "hit peak" how is it even possible to know this? How many new and aspiring producers are buying Miku? It's not at all obvious, and there are more sources of profit than just software sales, so I can't even say that Miku has peaked, much less vocaloid in general.

I hope you're not referring to that graph of number of NND uploads hitting the 500,000 views mark each year that people read *far* too much into.

About the Letterman interview, Crypton may not have pushed for the interview. It could have been the producers of the Letterman show scouting for interesting material who pushed for the interview.

It's probably a good thing, but "all publicity is good publicity" is an oversimplification. If Letterman is planning a "look at this weirdo japanese bullshit and fat autists who like it" angle, that could be damaging. He could even play the "pedophilia" card, which is pretty much always possible with japanese pop culture stuff. That's pretty much the most damaging kind of publicity you can get. Even being associated with mass murder or Nazism is far less stigma.

>>12496012
>There's plenty of English vocaloids, the problem is that they -ALL- suck. Because -English- sucks for vocaloids. Too arbitrary in terms of sounds. Is it the 'o' as in 'bowl' or 'other'? A in apple or father? etc. Japanese's consistency with sounds was basically what saved it.
I've seen people who not only enjoy english vocaloids, but prefer them to japanese ones. These are usually the kinda people who think anime is weird though, so it might play a role.

>English Miku in particular is unintelligible without subs. I appreciate that they brought back Saki Fujita for Miku English, but when I heard that first demo song I knew she was dead. I tried listening to it without the subs first and literally had no idea what she was saying; being fluent in English and reasonable in Japanese.
Uh, I could understand some of the first demos, but it got worse with time. I'm not really sure what happened down the line.

>>12495976
>Also interesting to note that Crypton hasn't released a new character for a long time, which I think is a mistake.
I don't think they had much of an alternative. It's a small company and there's a big demand for V3 updates of existing voicebanks. They can't do it all at once.

>>12496006
I think the letterman thing came from Letterman himself and crypton simply agreed. Kinda like with the Gaga concerts.

>>12496174
>Even being associated with mass murder or Nazism is far less stigma.

I guarantee you someone who says "the holocaust didn't happen" would be persecuted more than someone saying "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed"

>>12496708
I dunno. I'd say about 50:50.

>>12496708
>old enough to bleed, old enough to breed
hehe, I love these ones.

But really, the holocaust was not that bad compared to what happened in the rest of the world, such as in China, and Russia, but only because they seemed like "the bad guys", they don't get as much publicity, even though what happened there is arguably way worse, it's like the bombing of Japan, vs Pearl Harbour or 9/11, the latter gets much more publicity than the bombing of Japan, even if the damage is more severe, since America is in a lot of people eyes "The good guys", they get the feeling of that it was only right to bomb Japan, and that the Pearl Harbour was way more tragic, even if they had been warned beforehand of the bombing of Pearl Harbour, and the causalities were not that big, same with 9/11, not that many casualties, but because they seem like the innocent ones, they get a lot of sympathy from the media, but the civilians that have died in Iraq and Afghanistan is several tenfold more than the ones in 9/11.

>>12496745
I wouldn't say it was 'not as bad as'. I'd say it was 'just as bad as'. Though i think we can agree that Stalin, hands-down, won fair and square in the numbers department.

Am I a hipster if these two are my favourite vocaloid(s)?

>>12494332
I don't dislike Gumi, but whenever I listen to her I think it's Luka.

>>12496795
No, you're just stupid.
They never had voicebanks so what is even the point of being a fan of a dead concept. It's like being a fan of Ring Suzune (if Ring never had any demos)

I'm a fan of the main cryptonloids, primarily miku. Dark append gets a lot of shit for 3depressing5me, but i think it's quite beautiful.

That said, i cringe whenever i hear English miku. It's just not a friendly language for the software.

I'm both excited for, and worried about mikuexpo, because i want a jap experience, and i fear they may try to pander to the western audience via English songs and themes. Honestly, if the first song is English only, I'm probably going to leave.

>>12490830
Why is Miku's face so creepy in that picture?

>>12496795
>hipster
>favorite vocaloid

You're at least 6 years late, mate.

>>12492639
Meiko confirmed for christmas cake?

>>12498428
The Indonesian expo featured one local language song. I don't think they're going to do much more than that for the American ones. They realize that the people attending are fans of Miku's Japanese songs.

>>12495425
It's hard for me to rank albums because there are always some songs I like more and others I like less. Here's my top 39 songs, so everyone feel free to relish these hot opinions or else diagnose my cancer:
(1 - 13)
FREELY TOMORROW
LUVORATORRRRRY!
えれくとりっく・えんじぇぅ - Electric Angel (GigaP remix w/ Rin and Len)
キャットフード - Cat Food
飴か夢 - Candy or Dream
ヒビカセ - Hibikase
ELECT
愛×愛ホイッスル - LOVE×LOVE Whistle
おこちゃま戦争 - Childish War
アンドロメダの夢 - Dream of Andromeda
SPiCa
LUST DOLL
システマティック・ラヴ - Systematic Love

>>12498725
(14 - 26)
アンチ・デジタリズム - Anti-Digital Rhythm (CD-R version)
こっち向いて Baby - Kocchi Muite Baby
Candii
イージーデンス - Easy Dance
馬鹿はアノマリーに憧れる - Fools Admire the Anomaly (MOKSHA version)
FIRST (Teto cover)
夢喰い白黒バク - Dream-Eating Monochrome Baku
アンチビート - Anti Beat
Twinkle World
こちら、幸福安心委員会です。- This Is the Happiness and Peace of Mind Commitee
ハッピーシンセサイザ - Happy Synthesizer (Len and 96Neko cover)
シュレディンガイガーのこねこ - Schroedinger's Kitten
ピーチミートパイ - Peach Meat Pie

>>12498727
(27-39)
愛言葉II - Love Words II
Melody Line
虎視眈々 - Waiting to Pounce
ネトゲ廃人シュプレヒコール - Online Game Addict's Chant (GigaP remix)
イグジスタンス - Existence
ジッタードール - Jitter Doll (Teto cover)
炉心融解 - Meltdown
威風堂々 - Pomp and Circumstance
宇宙人のアイラブユー - Alien's "I love you"
Tractrix
秘密警察 - Secret Police
Addicted (Miku English version)
神教⇒Exclamation! - Faith in God⇒Exclamation!

If only people in the west knew more music theory we could actually have good English vocaloid originals.

Also I'm sick of all the new vocaloids released recently. It's like these companies are trying to lose money.

"Hmmm I'm a new japanese producer, should I buy Miku or some other generic female vocaloid whose popularity might be nonexistent...?

I think I'll get miku!"

... wow, Miku sounds infinitely better than she used to. I haven't listened to any of her shit in way too long.

>>12498732
>No Kikuo, Pinocchio-P, sasakure.UK, kemu or Mikito-P

Anon...

>>12490830
There is no such thing as basic 3...
More Vocaloids means more type of music can be created

>>12499311
good taste. Posting samples of each

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtZZpzbxAeg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A8ANGZjpdw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp1SQgc6X98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMdIGSyFKCk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMYCNN-msMU

>>12499311
kemu was two of the next ten.
There are just so many vocaloid songs.

You might guess why some of those P's didn't appear so high on my list: there's a variety of genres, but mostly fast-paced upbeat songs. I might recognize other songs as well-executed, but I just don't enjoy them as much.

>>12500807
Then you might like the second link I posted. >>12500798

Idk, here's other upbeat songs I liked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StYwn_EiHaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq4PWQtIBDg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrctGL3QnTo

Are there any good Lily songs at all besides Scarlet Rose ?

I can't find any that are as fast/energetic as that one

>>12501026
ELECT is a good Lily song. Producer "niki" uses Lily a lot.

http://vocadb.net/Ar/457

>>12500840
I've heard those before, as well as ありふれたせかいせいふく which I somehow didn't realize was a Pinocchio-P song...

miku is reclining.

>>12501348
no

miku is declining

>>12501395
no

>>12495991
Facts.

>>12501348
>>12501358
>>12501395
>>12501401
Miku is reclining on a sofa.

>>12501557
yes

>>12500807
There's certainly IS a lot of songs and it all comes down to personal preference, really.

>>12501026
Pretty much everything by niki is good. I also like these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ntYC9ZGzwQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn8IcYy8eTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NZsDPzxrI

>>12495991
>>12501485
Miku's voice is so wonderful it becomes physically pleasurable to listen to her.

>>12501557
Miku's body is so wonderful it becomes physically pleasurable to look at her. Also I have that lat type figure just above her knee sitting on my desk as I type.

>>12501485
there is a 97% consensus among ke$ha fans

Isn't the Magical Mirai 2014 Tokyo live concert starting soon? Is it being broadcast anywhere?

>>12496745
That's really interesting Anon, but that actually kinda makes me feel bad.

>>12498725
You really seem to like GigaP songs, and it's nice to see a Lily song up there

>>12501026
Vestige and FLARE are two of my favorite Lily songs

>>12501058
>>12501933
>>12502410
Thanks guys, some of these are really great

but none of them can match the sheer speed of Scarlet Rose
I don't know how to describe it, just feels like the song is playing at 2x, but actually isn't
and it sounds pretty good for some reason

>>12501026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bba41NFDtY

My collection

Miku:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeQ-gSKECGg
IA:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vALOfXlyX6c
Luka:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdHRGH1Qv70
Gumi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3p3325Y7Ic

Anyone have any opinions on new vocaloid Chika? It's shaping up to be the most underhyped japanese language vocaloid release. Even Anon, Kanon and Kokone made a bigger splash.

>>12504102
Who?

>>12504102
Never heard of her

>>12504102
I like her design, and her voice is easy on the ears.

>>12504112
>>12504132
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD9e3EytCIY

>>12504153
She sound a lot like gumi to me. I like the design O.K. but it's not one that would translate well to a 3D model and I think that hurts the popularity and the potential for people to grow attached to the character. I think I'm more partial to moe animu style character designs. Surely at least on /jp/ I can admit this. Both her voice and her design bore me. The art style is nice but not my favourite.

>>12504187
I don't hate that kind of art, it reminds me a lot of a couple of shoujo/josei manga. It feels very fashionable, or fitting to portray clothes with but it doesn't seem like a strength for a vocaloid. I agree with you on the voice completely though, it sounds like something I've already heard and ultimately clashes with her look.

My opinion on the stylistic aspect: moe works. It is a serviceable aesthetic for vocaloids because it translates well into a variety of media. Miku looks cute and attractive in a many manifestations. Other stylized designs are more restricted in terms of the viewing perspective... hard to explain, but there are "bad angles" from which they will tend to look like aliens or their contours cannot withstand lighting and perspective without looking gross. On the other hand, realistic designs can easily land up in the uncanny valley.

Maybe sticking to what is proven to work is not so bad? I'd kinda like to see more bright, colourful and futuristic looking vocaloids. There's still a lot of room to work with that and create new and distinctive designs still. The cuteness makes their quirks more forgiveable and endearing.

>>12504102
I love her design, though her voicebank is quite generic or a mix of voicetypes we already had. And what are you talking about, AnonKanon and Kokone barely have as many original songs compared to over vocaloid3 releases.
The one I'm most excited about this year is Macne Nana, Tohoku Zunko and the new english Vocaloid3, Ruby. Everything else this year is super boring for me and
>tfw no male vocaloids again
So here's to hoping 2015 will be a better year.

Also, anybody going to Mikuexpo?

>>12504566
>And what are you talking about, AnonKanon and Kokone barely have as many original songs compared to over vocaloid3 releases.

Isn't that what I implied? (i.e. even Anon, Kanon and Kokone, unpopular voicebanks, made a bigger splash with their demos)

vFlower was the most interesting release for me so far this year. She's also the closest thing to a male vocaloid we're getting lol. She can do a half-decent Len impression.

>>12504668
Thanks for the update. Isn't it about time to admit that Ring Suzune and Hibiki Lui are not coming out? There is no news even vaguely suggesting they are being developed. They're not vocaloids, because they don't exist.

>>12504709
same with Meaw

>>12504619
oh yeah woops, I misread that.
And yeah vFlower does have a pretty interesting voicebank that's unique and not same-y, but it's very difficult to tune her the right way.
>>12504668
This chart encompasses all Vocaloids, released ones, TBA ones, private ones and cancelled ones. Just wondering how project If and Ruby is not on there? Is it because they have no official avatars?
Also ALYS shouldn't be there, I mean the French community did want to make her into a Vocaloid at first but couldn't compromise, so they switched her to a CeVio one.

>>12493711
My brother says he can't listen to vocaloids because they sound "unnatural"(yea kinda).
BUT he says that when he listens to fucking euroelectrohardswingdubstylestepwithfatjamaicanbeats.

>>12493711

I too, like them all to various degrees. Teto is my favorite though

>>12504920
Well the irony goes deeper than that if you think about it. After all, guitars do not grow on trees. There is nothing in nature that is identifiable as a guitar, so they're just as "unnatural" as synthesizers.

You could only say such a thing and not be hypocritical if you restricted yourself to a capella and didgeridoo music.

I myself don't want vocaloids to sound completely "natural" in the sense of perfectly mimicking the human voice. It'd kinda take the fun out of being a fan. These perfectly realistic vocaloids might be useful for songwriters, but being a particular fan of them would be arbitrary if they sounded just like people...

>>12504952
Teto is an UTAU, not a vocaloid. I casually lump it all together as "vocaloid music" for convenience, but I'm just making this clear to pre-empt any autistic lecturing.

>>12504982

Yeah I'm aware. Still my favorite, I wish she had an "append" and I wish SAKEBI was more popular for her. Any suggestions for good Teto?

>>12504953
He has said he would listen to vocaloids if they were mechs

>>12505002
Teto has good covers of: FIRST, Jitter Doll, Odds and Ends, Party Junkie, etc..

As for originals there's Yoshiwara Lament, various works by "hario" and some by "MightyCorgi" off the top of my head

There are a couple videos on youtube with a bunch of teto covers of varying quality all crammed together:

1 hour
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjPSnHaLBvw

10 hours
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMdWoigtpwc

there is some good stuff in there

>>12505064

I will check 'em out!

>>12504751
I believe! There is no way life could be cruel enough to take away something I've barely seen such few times and still come to like

>>12504668
>YOHIOloid
I have it being released, but I have not seen a single song produced with it.

>>12505595
Vocaloids in that chart that I have never heard used:

MIRIAM
Prima
Ring Suzune
Hibiki Lui
Akikoloid-chan
Mew
Bruno
Clara
Anri Rune
Ueki-loid
YANHE
Masaoka Azuki
Kobayashi Matcha
MAIKA
ONA
Merli
ALYS
Yuezheng Ling
Zhanyin Lorra
Meaw

I haven't heard any of the Spanish ones.

>>12505659
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k0iemsLUPk

I've been listening to at least 20 new vocaloid songs released on Niconico everyday since March 2013 as a hobby. But I never made a thread to talk about Vocaloid.
The music went from being iconic internet culture to indie now. It's not as popular as it used to be but it's still great.

>>12505716
Looks like good fapping material, the music is forgettable though.

>>12505595
This guy never fails to give me a boner.

>>12505659
I've seen some of them used (even if you don't count the covers and demos), though nothing popular.
Too bad, I really like some of these.

>>12505003
Wouldn't everyone?

>>12505716
i just happened to be listening to this album as i read this post. interstella is the best track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a99w3_H_2_E

>>12505659
Akikoloid, Anri Rune, Uekiloid, Azuki, Matcha, Meaw and ONA are all private voicebanks, so the demos/songs they have are limited.

Ling and Lorra have no confirmed voice providers as of yet. Same with Lui, but he is as far as I know, cancelled along with Ring (who in contrast has a voice.)

Miriam, Prima, Mew, Bruno, Clara, Yan He, Maika, and Merli all visibly have covers and original songs.

The engloids have various songs/covers but you never hear much of them because nobody visibly popular is making originals, unlike those you know using most of the Japanese Vocaloids. Same with spainloids.

Most of Yanhe's songs are on bilibili along with Tianyi's songs, not much is reprinted onto youtube.

ALYS is a current Work IN Progress with only one demo with her sounding like an UTAU. This is only a test, but in her final product, she is not supposed to be a Vocaloid, but a CeVio, another vocal synth program.

Please lurk more.

Miku is not my absolute favorite vocaloid, but there's a certain likeable quality in her voice that's not present in any of the others... except Rana. I can't really pinpoint what it is exactly.

>>12508987
Miku sounds like a mix of a very old woman with a childlike, moe voice to me. I have no clue what gives me that granny vibe. Rana doesn't have it for me, though I'd probably mistake her for Miku if someone didn't tell me it's her.

am I the only one here who likes Tonio or...?

;_;

>>12490830

>>12513385
No, I do too. Too bad he's one of the most forgettable engloids.

>>12504709

>>12498743
except when they actually do, they try their best to impress japan-senpie with google-translated songs

>>12491201
I will cut you, faggot.

IA is the miracle of universe

Will this album be ever available on sale anywhere online or is it comiket exclusive? The artbook is on melonbooks but I couldn't find the CD.

>>12513487
She sounds too much like her VA and it creeps me out a tiny bit.

>>12513503
She doesn't sounds that much like Lia actually, at least not to my impression, if you want to hear creepy similiarity listen to Yukari and her VP comparison videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3VuFWy-tos

>>12513532
It's probably because I'm used to Lia's voice, but not much to other VA's.

>>12494076

isn't she technically the most prolific singer in music history?

Why are there so many goddamn vocaloids these days?

You only really need the basic one: Miku

>>12514123
0/10

http://clyp.it/hcpped4f
So how's about that new Engloid? Leagues better than Miku English imo.

>>12514322
no competition at all lmao but Miku Eng will sell a shit ton more

;_;

>>12514322
I need that song done with Ruby and YOHIOloid asap.

>>12514095
Fujita Saki's singing voice doesn't sound that much like Miku.

Other more recent vocaloids often have a closer resemblance to their voice providers.

>>12514322
That's by far the best sounding english vocaloid I've ever heard (for reverence, I like Miku but I'm pretty apathetic about Miku eng).

>CV04 never

I know they wanted to release english Rin/Len first and Luka but we don't have anymore info on CV04? Was it secretly canned?

>>12514322
>http://clyp.it/hcpped4f

She's at least intelligible without subs, which is an accomplishment for an English Vocaloid.

Too bad no one's heard about her.

Apparently Crypton is working on some kind of update for Miku english. I guess even they have had to admit that it's well... kinda shit.

It must be frustrating for them that Fujita-san cannot pronounce "L" for all the tea in China.

>>12514123
Besides this song, this is the best english I've heard out of a vocaloid, I think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TelBxYSh3z8

>>12515680
It's good, but in my opinion on the same level as Circus-P's use of Miku english:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-LysJT-XNw

oh, the song I listed earlier as my sixth fav. just got uploaded:

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm24536934

you can't even deny this song kicks ass

>>12513484
Only because most english vocaloids sound godawful.

>>12515938
YT reprint
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkroHwQYpFE

The only one I like is Gumi. Gumi is the only 'loid that actually catches me off guard when vocals come in.

I cannot tell the differences between any of them besides gumi and miku.

>>12516451
Damn, you must be deaf if you can't tell the difference between Gakupo and Rin

>>12516499
I don't know what that is, but I wouldn't care even if I have, because I don't read the titles of any of the music I play anyway.

I got the vocaloid software so I could mess around with it and I made a song of sorts.

Check it out: http://vocaroo.com/i/s1rkjhzMXyoZ

I was really only interested in doing vocal harmonies (which is too much work, now I no why no one does it)
I was gonna add music to it, but I wouldn't be a true /jp/sie if I had the motivation to finish what I start.

>>12516451
i feel sorry for you if you can't tell apart Big Al and Kaai Yuki

>>12516559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB53mSCnhw0

superior

Oh god all this thread is such hilarious, painful and sad at the same time.
Starting from being in the Otaku Culture section, when actually (for people who knows about the topic) Vocaloid itself has very little relation with otaku stuff. Vocaloid itself is a technology created in SPAIN.
And OP statement is wrong and stupid as hell because:

>First vocaloids ever made were in english
>YAMAHA and Crypton themselves consider Hatsune Miku as one of their most low quality, yet most profitable voicebanks. She's the perfect product. You just invest few yens in her development and TADA! Millions of moneys from people buying her.
>English vocaloids were made to be used by professional musicians, not by any otaku that wants to make them sing "notice me senpai" so they are in a very pro level, unlike japaneseloids that can be used by almost any 10 y.o. kid (also a fact stated by YAMAHA)
>Native japanese speakers (note: those who aren't otakus) consider japanese vocaloids just as muffled and unrealistic as you could consider english vocaloids.

But, hey,this is /jp/ what can I expect.

>>12518071
Who is YAMAHA and Crypton?

>>12518096
Thanks for step up my point.

>>12518071
>English vocaloids were made to be used by professional musicians, not by any otaku that wants to make them sing "notice me senpai" so they are in a very pro level

Seriously? Have you even /seen/ engloids these days? The majority of them in the past few years have had single-digit, college-kid development teams, quality FAR below most popular Japanese V3s, and hilariously shitty attempts to appeal to teenage weeaboos.

>Vocaloid itself has very little relation with otaku stuff.

lmao

>Native japanese speakers (note: those who aren't otakus) consider japanese vocaloids just as muffled and unrealistic as you could consider english vocaloids.

old-ass V2s I can believe, but the likes of IA and Yukari? citation needed.

It's fundamentally easier to make a passable Japanese Vocaloid than a passable English Vocaloid because Japanese is an easier language to pronounce. A retard can do shit work with a Japanese Vocaloid and the end result will still be comprehensible, but anything but the very best work with an engloid and you can't comprehend shit.

I like yuki miku!

>>12518280>>12518280

>Seriously? Have you even /seen/ engloids these days? The majority of them in the past few years have had single-digit, college-kid development teams, quality FAR below most popular Japanese V3s, and hilariously shitty attempts to appeal to teenage weeaboos

By a moment I thought you were talking about japanese vocaloid but then I read "engloids". And the fact you stated that proves how low your aknowledgment about vocaloids and their companies. Zero-G was the first company that developed vocaloids, and they were hired by YAMAHA themselves. Suuure, YAMAHA would hire a "college-kid development team" to start the production of a new software. Even Voctro Labs, the company that created MAIKA, Bruno/Clara AND vocaloid technology are becoming a very recognized company in Spain.

About your LMAO, yes, it's true. Only "relation" vocaloid has with the otaku crap is the boxarts mostly being anime styled, but hey, if that's enough to consider it otaku stuff we're fucked up. Then, if someone puts a damn broccoli in a vocaloid box then vocaloids could be discussed IN VEGAN threads and considered VEGAN products.

IA and Yukari are recognized for having muffled phonemes that difficult their pronounciation, specially on higher notes. Of course they have a natural smooth sound. But now let's use Kagamine Rin as an example of CLEAR JAPANESE AND NATURAL SOUND.

>>12518280
>Seriously? Have you even /seen/ engloids these days? The majority of them in the past few years have had single-digit, college-kid development teams, quality FAR below most popular Japanese V3s, and hilariously shitty attempts to appeal to teenage weeaboos.
But Oliver is love.

>>12518696
>By a moment I thought you were talking about japanese vocaloid but then I read "engloids". And the fact you stated that proves how low your aknowledgment about vocaloids and their companies. Zero-G was the first company that developed vocaloids, and they were hired by YAMAHA themselves. Suuure, YAMAHA would hire a "college-kid development team" to start the production of a new software. Even Voctro Labs, the company that created MAIKA, Bruno/Clara AND vocaloid technology are becoming a very recognized company in Spain.

>these days
>the past few years

Zero-G hasn't done shit lately, except for Avanna, who's pretty good-quality but still has the whole "shitty weeaboo-pandering" thing going on. And even they aren't completely absolved of blame, thanks to Sonika, our only native Simlish Vocaloid.

I've talked to a guy who's worked with Vocatone. Oliver's team was about 4-5 amateurs, this is a well-established and public fact. Yohioloid's was similar. Ruby only has 2 fucking people working on her right now. But sure, feel free to paint me as an ignorant weeaboo just because you know how to read the Vocaloid wiki.

>About your LMAO, yes, it's true. Only "relation" vocaloid has with the otaku crap is the boxarts mostly being anime styled, but hey, if that's enough to consider it otaku stuff we're fucked up. Then, if someone puts a damn broccoli in a vocaloid box then vocaloids could be discussed IN VEGAN threads and considered VEGAN products.

Okay, let's just ignore all the Vocaloid content centered around otaku culture! Let's ignore the thousands of producers and entire /conventions/ for Vocaloid doujin shit! Let's ignore how integral it is for companies to successfully market to them! Sounds like a comprehensive way of looking at Vocaloid to me!

>IA and Yukari are recognized for having muffled phonemes that difficult their pronounciation

Citation fucking needed.

>But now let's use Kagamine Rin as an example of CLEAR JAPANESE AND NATURAL SOUND.

No.

>>12518725
Hey, true that.

>>12518759
Dude Vocatone is not the best example for a english vocaloid company because they are a beginner company. They only developed OLIVER and they worked WITH POWERFX. So no, Vocatone is not a well stablished vocaloid company. And Ruby is still without company, she is a vocaloid that is more like a "personal project" of Anders. Tell me how much members PowerFX has. Or ZeroG. Or Voctro Labs. But not Vocatone.

About the "let's forget all vocaloid merchandise and stuff" we clearly have to make a difference between Cryptonloids fanstuff and promotionals and ACTUAL VOCALOID SOFTWARE.

IA and Yukari, go to VO and look for the threads about their voicebanks.

>>12518831
>Dude Vocatone is not the best example for a english vocaloid company because they are a beginner company. They only developed OLIVER and they worked WITH POWERFX. So no, Vocatone is not a well stablished vocaloid company. And Ruby is still without company, she is a vocaloid that is more like a "personal project" of Anders. Tell me how much members PowerFX has. Or ZeroG. Or Voctro Labs. But not Vocatone.

ZeroG hasn't done shit. PowerFX uses the majority of its staff for non-Vocaloid projects. Voctro Labs isn't an Engloid company.

>About the "let's forget all vocaloid merchandise and stuff" we clearly have to make a difference between Cryptonloids fanstuff and promotionals and ACTUAL VOCALOID SOFTWARE.

The huge amount of otakus and weeaboos buying Vocaloids have heavy influence on design, voice programming, and marketing in all countries. Shit runs deep.

>IA and Yukari, go to VO and look for the threads about their voicebanks.

Pretty sure I'm not going to find any Japanese, non-otaku opinions there.

>>12518883
>ZeroG hasn't done shit. PowerFX uses the majority of its staff for non-Vocaloid projects. Voctro Labs isn't an Engloid company.

Then, we have nothing to discuss about all english vocaloid companies having a pretty decent production team, not a childish amateur unprofessional staff you claimed.

>The huge amount of otakus and weeaboos buying Vocaloids have heavy influence on design, voice programming, and marketing in all countries. Shit runs deep.

Yet, vocaloid is still a software aimed at musicians. Yes, fans are an incredible influence, but not the main target.

About VO, check the PRODUCERS AND PROGRAMMERS thread, not the fancrap.

VO go away

it takes an incredible amount of bias to deny that otaku culture has been hugely influential (probably the single largest influence) on vocaloid

Look at the character designs, past and present. Look at the history, how the fandom developed. Outside the otaku niche, vocaloid had no popularity and extremely few fans of any kind. This is not even far from the truth today.

Miku is more than 3x as popular as all other vocaloids combined, and it's obvious who she's catering toward. Her mainstream success is a vindication of the moe anime otaku aesthetics that made and nurtured her.

>>12518933
>Then, we have nothing to discuss about all english vocaloid companies having a pretty decent production team, not a childish amateur unprofessional staff you claimed.

What? How does that at all imply English Vocaloids have decent production teams? Recent Engloids are still mismanaged as fuck.

>Yet, vocaloid is still a software aimed at musicians. Yes, fans are an incredible influence, but not the main target.

Fans and musicians ain't mutually exclusive, you know. Most companies (unless they have a shitload of money to throw away like Yamaha) have wisened up to the fact that the majority of their buyers are involved in otaku culture somehow.

You're really reaching, dude.

>About VO, check the PRODUCERS AND PROGRAMMERS thread, not the fancrap.

Mind a link?

>>12518071
As a musician, how exactly is software being difficult to use and make anything sound decent a positive, or something that makes it "pro level?" When I use music software I want it to work with minimal effort so I can focus my attention on important shit like writing music. Most musicians don't want to waste time tweaking minute parameters just to get something even passable. Also, who are these professional musicians you speak of that are using this software? Professionals aren't wasting their time with shitty sounding software, a professional will hire a real singer and get 100 times the result with 1/100th the effort.

>>12518994
Mike Oldfield. Porter Robinson, Susumu Hirasawa. Those are the most notable examples. And all of them used engloids.

>>12519080
And all of them have a particular interest in technology and vocal manipulation. That doesn't really prove that Engloids have professional merit beyond a curiosity.

>>12519159
But we're not talking about their merit or actual quality. I've stated that they are intended for professional musicians, and I provided you names. And it seems you think a "good musician" only puts effort in the writing instead of putting effort in the ENTIRE music production.

And now, just for the lulz, tell me at least three names of professional known musicians that used japanese vocaloids for music production.

Susumu Hirasawa did Paprika's soundtrack using LOLA
Mike Oldfield is already famous and did an entire album with LOLA and MIRIAM.
Porter Robinson's last album and his single "Sad Machine" using AVANNA are quite a hit in UK and USA.

>>12519281
>And now, just for the lulz, tell me at least three names of professional known musicians that used japanese vocaloids for music production.
Anamanaguchi, Komuro Tetsuya, Mitchie M.

>>12519379
but Mitchie M is a huge weeb, so he's no True Scotsman/Musician

>>12519407
He still got a degree in music production and worked professionally for a while before doing Vocaloid. And his first few Vocaloid songs were really americophilic.

>>12519422
But basically works just like your point about Porter or Susumu Hirasawa: he's a weeb. So he don't use Miku because "her high quality in music production". He use her because is animu. But meh. All of them are good musicians at the end.

>>12516559
added piano
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1IKBuA3Vlw1

There are eleven different layers of voices here and all for a song about wanting it in your butt.

>>12518725
>>12518770
Here's the best use of Oliver I've seen
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mp_knOxeT6k

>>12521596
The spaceship song is the only one I can make out the lyrics. Probably because the backing track is turned down so much.

>>12518297
>and you can't comprehend shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-57RygSxcso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pb7x2rokl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbdOGag1Cuw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2EcFqLwNQQ

It seems people around here only listens the first two results Youtube search offers....

>>12521641
I didn't say the best clarity

>>12521641
Well I didn't say the best clarity

>>12521659
also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Ah_aWCIks

>>12521596
FINALLY Somebody mentioned steampianst

>>12495425
>favorite vocaloid album
I can't decide between these two.
Keeno - in the rain
Mikgazer Vol.1

>>12521659
1st track has the vocal mixed unusually loud to make it easier to make out what it's saying. 2nd track is pretty hard to understand for most of it. So is the the third. Fourth is pretty good, I can make out most of it. By the way, if you read the subtitles as you listened to any of these you really can't form an objective opinion of how clear the results are. After reading the lyrics it's always going to seem obvious in hindsight what the words being sung were.

>>12521833
Well, those are the english equivalent of japanese vocaloids clarity (and about the subtitles, apply the same for japanese vocaloids and almost ALL their songs subbed in japanese)
I'm not even a native english speaker and I understood like 80% of the songs. So, don't come and try to declare that english vocaloids can't produce good results.

>>12495425
the best vocaloid album ever made

there's a bunch of older vocaloid CD's i'd like to buy but since they were event released they aren't and never were available for sale online. would it be kind of pointless to contact the producers and ask if they'd sell a copy knowing they've probably been sold out for years? i'm afraid to even ask.

i'd expect these kinds of responses:
>just buy it on itunes
>分かりませんｗ
>sure, paypal me ￥100,000 please.
>fuck off gaijin

Miku still the best.

Yes she sounds like a synth. That's the point. You only need the others for duets and such.

Once we make lifelike voices ;_; a reality, miku will still have a spot as a synth sounding voice. Synths are still commonplace in music despite actual instruments existing.

All the more realistic voices will be discarded when an even more realistic voice comes out.

>>12527127
Most producers are pretty friendly in my experience, I'd say go for it. I know someone who got an album shipped overseas in exchange for sending the producer candy.

>>12527127
You forgot howaito piggu go home

>>12527319
i expect that to be tacked on to the end of any response.

>>12527151
The correct way to write it is: "IN MY OPINION, Miku is the best because..."

You're not giving a fact, but a personal point of view.

>>12527415
But it is a fact.

>>12527421
Bias weebs and uncondicional fans loving her and putting Miku in the status of "best vocaloid evah" don't makes Miku automatically the best vocaloid; she's just the most popular. The best vocaloid can't be declared because is relative and depends on each person's opinion.

About Miku sounding synth, no. Miku was intentionally made to sound AS AN ANIME GIRL, in consequence, unrealistic. But it doesn't means she sounds "artificial, like a machine". LEON and LOLA do sound artificial, but that's because they're really old vocaloids. Miku just sounds voice acted/not natural.

Miku is not part of "my fave vocaloids" list but I accept she do not sounds "like a machine".

>>12527504
Miku sounds like a helium-huffing anime robot, but I love her.

>>12490830
There's something about that picture that makes me want to keep staring at it.

>>12527647
That's good. I like her when she is used for the genres she fit. Like poppy, corny songs and sometimes EDM and techno music. Even soft rock. But when she is forced to sing in opera, country or heavy metal she honestly sounds ridiculous, like a mouse trying to scream (THIS IS FOR OP, ANOTHER REASON WHY THERE'S A LOT OF VOCALOIDS: Miku, Rin and Len can't cover all the vocal requirements for certain music genres)

>>12527777
How much opera, country (!?) and heavy metal is she used in anyway? Utsu-P uses her (and other vocaloids) in metalcore / thrash / etc. and it comes out sounding pretty convincing, not like "a mouse trying to scream." Miku's metal scream doesn't sound like a human voice, but I like that. I don't care for screaming or growly vocals, but when Miku does it it sounds more eerie or evil rather than completely over-the-top.

>>12527893
I've never stated she does it wrong, I said it sounds ridiculous, but if your only example is Utsu-P's music then you're not giving a wide panorama of her metal/scream capabilities.
Also, even if she sounds "good", she does not COVERS the requirements for those genres. Of cooooourse, if you like Miku you'll love her and think she sounds good even singing in yodel, but most vocaloid musicians (not the popular japanese producers because 90% of them are recognized otaku bias) always feedback YAMAHA for the development of new vocals and always asking for certain traits for the vocaloids.

I can force my fork to cut an onion, and the onion will be cutted at some moment of course. I can use my fork to eat soup, and I'll finish the entire plate at some moment, of course.
But clearly a fork due to it's particular characteristics can't do those works as good or as fast as a knife or a spoon.
Forks lovers will think I'm crazy and will always think that using a fork is the best option no matter the results.

Same thing happens with Miku.

>>12528038
You brought up Miku's screaming voice in particular, and I think Utsu-P would be the first on anyone's mind in that case. Maybe it sounds ridiculous to you, but to me it sounds less ridiculous than comparable human vocals and it's a convincing though different-sounding take on the genre.

>>12528105

> But when she is forced to sing in opera, country or heavy metal she honestly sounds ridiculous, like a mouse trying to scream

You are only hanged up to the scream point when actually that was used as an example, not as a statement of Miku's screams. But thanks, you never rejected or tried to deny my point about Miku's lack of capabilities for certain music genres so it proves I'm giving a solid argument.

>>12528132
I myself never claimed that Miku is the best vocaloid for every genre. I have never heard her used in any country... who knows? It probably wouldn't work that well.

Nonetheless, at least one of your "examples" is untenable and do you really think someone's going to take the time to go point by point and make some defence in detail on an imageboard?

Some people like Miku screamo. Some people don't. Trying to change that is a waste of time.

Incidentally, I looked up Vocaloid country a little while ago. There's a little bit of it... mostly crap, but there's one pretty decent original from a Japanese producer, surprisingly.

>>12528143

Oh, believe me, there's always people with time and mood to do that :D

>>12518071
>>12518696
>>12518831

>>12527151
>Miku still the best.
>Yes she sounds like a synth. That's the point. You only need the others for duets and such.

People like you are everything that is wrong with this fandom.

>>12528143
>>12529400

See?
But, again, thanks, is gratificant to receive your faggot picture instead of trying to debate my point. :D

I've always wondered, why does Len sound so much more robotic than other Vocaloids?

Even Rin sounds much more human than he does, soemhow

>>12529476
Both Len and Rin have the same vocal quality, both share the same voice provider and both were developed at the same time. It's just that there's more people skilled with Rin than Len because Rin is a female vocaloid and they're more popular than males.
But actually I've found more less robotic sounding songs with Len than Rin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSC1ml_xyhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nvDr22ZE8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYMnN_L8hXA

>>12529476
Because the Kagamines original voicebanks quality is pure shit. They sound absolutely terrible if they're not tuned nicely.

Their Appends are much better, at least.

>>12529476
He doesn't sound more robotic than the other crypton-loids to me. None of them sound really realistic, they all have strange voice types (except Meiko) and a synthetic sound.

>>12529500
MEIKO and KAITO are from a different line-up by Crypton. They were created to be realistic sounding (the voicestyle, not how realistic they sound) and their vocals are a direct copy of their voice providers.

Miku, Rin/Len and Luka were designed to be less realistic and kinda "fake" because they were created as "anime characters" vocaloids, voiced by seiyus, that's why they are always critisized for being one of the less realistic sounding vocaloids with those "squeaky, moe, kawaiish weaboo shit" vocals.

Though Luka is actually the most natural sounding of them, in my opinion.

>>12529469
Considering the amount of bullshit in your initial post it would be an insult to my time trying to grant you with anything more than a faggot picture, honestly.

:D

Uh no, GUMI is more essential than Rin.

>>12529729
Name one good gumi song ever.

>>12529770
name one good Rin song ever

>>12490830

classic case of companies just oversaturating the market

>>12529770
>>12529781
LUVORATORRRRRY!

:^)

>>12529770
From the top of my head

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnR-GF8DSak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDkdmnFRONc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArJdQRgUztI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnQwZVwBvB4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0gYN8Uul6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOcw6GmQCe4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhSV1Zr2WDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyzQL5EjKhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4rlyvVrG2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVuGR0faZm4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arQ4oy66F3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6LeQ_XEf_A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrhBtxiXKM0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLqu8uAXO8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqeWsLCwFkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_BANzQccyo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S_7KGJfuvY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql876FB2itQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdJCnnUV1mo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZHiGLt7g8E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp_1pcfcA7k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycN7af2RKMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftFmmXVgdHk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eJl0DQWni4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGgp6LVrIEk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7mkkQGJbTc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvqDfib-LqU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTiW03elC3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovzr0zl0h1Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxlnv2HlsQ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB0FtOiRrXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1Yg0Qyl_XM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMj9_tDSZkA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zlh7h76tK8

>>12529855
Dude, LUVORATORRRRRY is great

>>12529694
If you considered it bullshit then the problem is in your head njot in my post.
Because some people debated instead of faggotize, but meh, again, what could I expect from /jp/ bias.

>>12530385
SBR go home.

>>12530686
VOfag detected

>>12530926
Hi chorva

>>12529781
TENGAKU WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>12530385
No, I'm pretty sure the problem is in your faggotry.

>>12529903
>Dude, LUVORATORRRRRY is great
the cheeky smile was mostly because it featured both vocaloids in question

>>12531162
Keep convincing yourself yo.
Or, in your language to make it more understandable for ya: 'ur not sugoi des '

>>12530926
Oh god xD

>>12532323
>trying to be a hipster Vocaloid fan but ending up being just a reverse version of a typical YT level retard
>trying to come up with witty comebacks but ending up looking pathetic

the goat album

I pretend the "artists" who make songs for Miku don't exist, and that Miku is an actual 2D person living in the 3D world making music somewhere.

It's better this way. No recognition for 3D waste of flesh.

>>12534186
That's some weebtrash tier logic.

>>12534186
I tend to view it the other way around. By eliminating the middle man in the form of the interpreter, you make way for the actual composer/songtexter/animator etc. to be recognized.
When I am doing a search for songs, it is usually by producer and not by a particular vocaloid used (aside from when i look for niche UTAU).

Anyone has access to use the vocaloid software to produce a listenable voice and thus the competition becomes who is best at making good songs instead of which interpreter is the biggest attention whore. (did somebody say forgettable idol music?)
People like OP make things worse by worshipping the Miku or Cryptonloids in general, so producers get biased which vocaloid to use for best marketing opportunity instead of choosing one which suits their style of music.

Gumi > Miku

ALYS best vocaloid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH3HbCTcXTE

>>12535090
Just found the guy on jaypee who doesn't suffer from autism.