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>>12461164
I want to fuck Ange.

>>12461164
I want to be her brother. And then I wanna fuck her.

>>12461231
Ange is the best sister.

Ange is a burger.

What Ange saw during episode 4?
In that fisherman house?

I read somewhere, that she saw a bag of Sakutaros and understanded, that this lion toy was not handmade, but a simply mass procuted thing.

Is that true?
Where this was confirmed?
And what this mean? That it's it was not important, that he was or not handmade, but the "magic" part in him was the fact, that Rosa gave him as a present to Maria?

Question, what the hells a witch. I need a definition.

>>12462370
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/witch

>>12462342
It's left intentionally ambiguous, likely to tie in with the "without love it can't be seen" mantra.

For all we know, what Ange saw could have been a plush toy inspired by the original Sakutarou.

>>12462342
It's heavily implied, especially since Beatrice found that "solution" to the problem of resurrecting Sakutarou very painful.

I am dumb, though, and completely missed that until my 2nd playthrough of Umineko. I actually had another explanation for it, but I forgot what that was.

>>12462370
It depends. There are different levels of witches, anyway.

Regular Witch: Someone who uses "magic," which is basically the power of delusions (Maria, Beatrice, Ange of the future).

Voyager Witch: Someone who travels from fragment to fragment (Bernkastel, Lambda) and is above the meta level. Basically, they're equivalent to us actual humans, and are readers of stories looking for simple enjoyment.

Creator Witch: Most powerful level, someone who creates worlds and fragments themselves (Featherine). Like a voyager witch, but an author instead of a reader. Some people would say that Featherine is a self-insert for Ryukishi07.

>>12463139
I finished Umineko a few weeks ago and have been wondering, is a 2nd playthrough really worth it? That's like, 80-100 hours of reading.

>>12463823
yeah i've been wondering myself but i think existing analysis are sufficient.

>>12463823
Find someone to read it with. They for the first time and you for the second. I'm doing that with my roommate right now. Apart from catching all the foreshadowing in the story or understanding the murders from another perspective, it's also interesting to listen to her various theories concerning the mystery.

>>12463923
This

My brother is reading it ATM and it's great, especially when I can see and understand a lot of things, that he can't understand yet.
There is ton of foreshadowing starting from Episode 1

I just re-read all of the Umineko and I've got a few questions.
What actually happened during episode 5 and 6? They weren't Beato games so were they even relevant?
I know that the entire story is in episodes 1-4 and 5-8 are just the hints but I'm still curious what was the truth. Did Yasu kill everyone again?

>>12465042
Don't recall exactly, but I think in EP5, Yasu commits the crimes, however his motive is altered to trying to get revenge on Natsuhi, whereas in EP6, Erika commits the murders.

Best love story ever told ;_;

>>12465336
Really? I'm sorry, but it pissed me off.

First of all, there was literally no point in Chiru at which any versions of "Battler" and "Beatrice" were even close to being as entertaining as they were in the question arcs, other than "Battler" teaming up with Lambdadelta and Ange. At least Erika took his place for some of it though.

Second, Yasu is the second worst character in Umineko. She ruins Beatrice, and she ruins the mystery by making the answer that everyone had in mind but didn't want to believe the truth. She also ruins Chiru by taking screen time away from the adults on the gameboard to focus on George, Jessica, Shannon and Kanon, who are infinitely less interesting.
The worst character of all in Umineko, by the way, is Ikuko/Featherine, since she ruins absolutely everything, including Higurashi.

Third, Battler is an unforgivable retard for trying to kill himself with his crazy inbred tranny cousin who wanted to kill his whole family because he had hurt his feelings when he was kid. By doing that, he leaves his 6-year-old sister alone with his bitch aunt. There's no way his remaining family couldn't have crossed his mind before he did what he did. He had to have known it would be a lot more painful for his sister if she didn't have at least one remaining member of her immediate family. Ange might have grown up to be a bit of an annoying bitch, but I feel bad for her way more than I do Yasu, with his retarded "love" craziness. Fuck anyone whose main reason for disliking Battler is anything other than him abandoning his sister for a tranny he barely knows. Family is more important than taking responsibility for hurting a mentally ill person's feelings.

>>12464252
Yeah, this is so perversely fun. I did this with my brother, and I'm hoping too again with a friend who's already read and like Higurashi.

When's Battler's Golden Sorcerer form going to show up in the Ougon Musou kyoku games?

>>12465851
There's already Black Battler. They can't very well add a 3rd Battler form before adding all the other characters out there (Zepar/Furfur, Kinzo, Amakusa, Gaap, Maria, Eva, Rudolph, Kyrie, Genji, etc).

>>12465042
The bomb kills everyone in ep 5.

As the clock goes ding ding ding, the trial is taking place.
After the trial is over, time continues and everyone dies.

This is why the game finishes early right after Erika loses.

Now I know why people adore Lamda. Screw DEEN's adaptation.

>>12465666
The sorry is not about Beatrice. It is about Battler and his cowardice.

>>12465666
true to a certain extent, one can't but feel sorry for Ange, she is one of the cast who suffers the most from what happens, but she's clearly the one who is the least responsible for it.
Eva gets it really hard, loosing George and Hideyoshi and having Ange hating her, but she had at least a part in making the situation as bad at it is. Ange's life was ruined without her doing anything.

>>12467136
I wonder how things would have ended up if Battler came back from Rokkenjima alongside Eva. Would Eva look after both of them or would she just leave Ange to Battler? I wouldn't blame her if she wouldn't want to be around Rudolf and Kyrie's children, but at the same time it would probably be more healthy for her than just wallowing in depression all alone. If she would look after them both, I like to think that Battler wouldn't let Ange say any bad shit to Eva, and Eva wouldn't look after them to begin with if she was just going to direct her hatred for their parents towards them. In a conversation alone with Rudolf, Kyrie says Battler is independent for his age. He can probably handle taking care of another person just fine, so it's not like she would be completely obligated to do it.

It's funny how a situation where almost an entire family was murdered can almost seem happy if you just add another survivor. Unlike a lot of people, I don't dislike the Ushiromiya family. Pretty much all of them have a lot of things that you could very reasonably hate about them, but I wouldn't wish death on any of them, other than maybe Kyrie, which is unfortunate since she was originally one of my favorite family members.

>>12467214
I think Ange and Battler would have to live with Eva, since Battler has no work, he wouldn't be able to raise Ange alone. But i think they would have gotten along better than just Ange and Eva.
Also, if Eva AND Battler would have been there, the two could have talked about what happened instead of just burying it into herself like Eva did. I think that this might have helped both of them to handle their feelings.

Why do people assume, that Yasu is a tranny?
It's almost clear, that he was a woman to begin with.

- Her physical body is similar to the body of woman, that suffered to lack of certain hormones etc. Man body would react different. He would be very tall and slim.
- Her primal personalities were female
- Her female side is stronger (Shannon always win vs Kanon)
- R07 hinted at this in interviews

Were is the basis for Yasu as a man? That telephone during EP5? Even Natsuhi said, that she can't know if the person on the other side was male or female.

>>12467378
>Even Natsuhi said, that she can't know if the person on the other side was male or female.
[citation needed]

>>12467424
It's exactly after the first phone.
I can give screeshot later today, I am at work now.

>>12467378
errr doesn't natsuhi talk about "the boy of 19 years ago" or something like that (the adopted baby she tried to kill)

>>12467378
well she was born male, that makes her a tranny.

>>12467378
The reason Yasu is gender confused is because he lost his dick. If he were a woman to begin with, then losing his reproductive organs wouldn't suddenly make her think she was a man.

>>12462370
A concept. A character. A truth.

Simultaneously. Bern is the Witch of Miracle (concept), trollkastel (character) and a cat (truth). Beatrice is the Golden Witch (concept), not a very savory person (character) and Yasu (truth)

>>12468311
Please don't pass off headcanon as truth.

Dlanor best loliface
.

Okey, but don't you dare to fuck with my Yasu.

So what happened to the family after Link saved the Golden Land by killing the wizard and removing the evil from it in 1991?

I want Maria to sit on my face.

So can someone enlighten me on Umineko? So NOTHING of that actually happened? man...

>>12470344
It was all Ange's imagination.

>>12470320
*shit

>>12470349
Nope.

>>12470345
Episodes 1-2 were written by Yasu.
Episodes 5-6 were written by Tohya and Ikuko.
Episodes 7 I like to believe isn't written or imagined by anyone. It's mostly meta world, with the events of 1986 shown in the Tea Party probably being the truth of what happened in Ange's world.
Episode 8 was Ange's imagination.
I don't remember if it was Yasu or Tohya/Ikuko who wrote Episodes 3-4.

I want to believe that the events that take place in the meta world aren't a part of the stories written by Yasu and Tohya and Ikuko. Furthermore, I want to believe that everything that happened in the meta world is real. There's no reason higher planes of existence can't exist. Though it's only confirmed to be a higher plane of existence than the games themselves, I want to believe it's a plane of existence above reality itself. Though Featherine and Bernkastel's relationship unfortunately suggests otherwise. The even more unfortunate thing that their relationship seems to suggest to me is that Higurashi is a fictional story written by Ikuko. Even though I basically KNOW that the meta world is a lower plane of existence, I'm still going to continue to delude myself into believing that everything in the meta world is real anyway. If you accept the meta world being a plane of existence below the reality of Ange's world, it pretty much ruins all of WtC. I refuse to accept it.


In any case, you should be getting angry at Ikuko, Tohya, and Yasu more than Ange. Especially Ikuko. Fuck R07 for including something like her.

>>12469941
Rosa inserted a fountain pen in his eye and the Ushiromiya's lived happily in the Golden Land for all eternity.
Beelzebub ate Links corpse.

>>12470440
>Though Featherine and Bernkastel's relationship unfortunately suggests otherwise
Would you mind elaborating a bit on this part and how the hell is Higurashi implied to be fictionalfucking Ryuukishi

>>12470900
Is this really imporat thing, is story that is ficional to begin with is fictional? This somehow removes the fun?

>>12470900
Bernkastel was originally Featherine's pet cat, who got used as a piece for one of her games. In it, as a piece, she had to suffer over and over again until she reached a miracle. Featherine is just a persona of Ikuko's, just like how Virgilia is a persona of Kumasawa's, Ronove a persona of Genji's, and so on, so of course both Featherine and Ikuko have that same pet cat. Ikuko is a writer, who had already written mystery novels before she found Tohya. The meta world can't be a plane of existence above the reality in Umineko, since otherwise a person in Ange's reality wouldn't be able to create powerful beings in the meta world and decide what happens in it. And it would just be too weird if everything wasn't pointing to Ikuko, a mystery author who inserted her cat named Bern into one of her stories as a character that had to suffer time and time again until she reached a miracle, being the author of the "Higurashi" story we know. Battler mentioned Higurashi as a fictional story at some point too. If the characters and events of Higurashi are 100% fictional in this world, it's even less real than the mostly-fictional stories about the events of Rokkenjima. It would be on the lowest plane of existence. Even Kinzo in the forgeries would be a god compared to the whole cast of Higurashi. The only thing I have to latch onto in the hope that the characters of Higurashi actually exist in the reality of Umineko is Okonogi.

I hope I'm just being retarded. I want to be wrong. How the fuck did Ange meet meta world characters like Bernkastel, created by a person she hadn't yet met and had no information on, for example? Ikuko wrote all of that? Would that even make sense? I don't fucking know. Maybe Featherine is a real higher being and Ikuko is just how she interacts with the human world, meaning it's possible that everything and everyone in the meta world and Higurashi are at least as real as reality in Umineko, and the author shit is just meant to throw you off.

>>12471422
>I hope I'm just being retarded.
Don't worry, you are. You have cause and effect confused. Bernkastel is born from Furude Rika, not the other way around.

>>12471446
I know that. But Bernkastel has Rika's memories. Rika's experiences are her own. Where the fuck did I say that Rika came from Bernkastel? And are you going to deny that Bernkastel was a part of Higurashi, and that her being created by Featherine suggests that she created Higurashi?

>>12471476
>Where the fuck did I say that Rika came from Bernkastel?
>Bernkastel was originally Featherine's pet cat, who got used as a piece for one of her games. In it, as a piece, she had to suffer over and over again until she reached a miracle.

>>12471529
>Bernkastel was originally Featherine's pet cat, who got used as a piece for one of her games. In it, as a piece, she had to suffer over and over again until she reached a miracle.
Pretty much all said by Lambda. Again, Rika's experiences are also Bernkastel's experiences. There's no reason the cat Bern couldn't have been Featherine's inspiration for both Rika and Bernkastel anyway. If you want to refuse to believe Higurashi being written by Featherine, how are you going to explain Bernkastel being both born from Rika and being an avatar of Ikuko's pet cat?

>>12471541
Are you autistic? There are obvious symbolic elements here you're taking way too literally. Anyway, the way I understand the whole "Ikuko authored Higurashi" was that the events unfolded as a tale conceptualized by a higher power, but that doesn't necessarily make them fictional or any less "real". By the way, your idea of the meta-world being a lower plane of existence makes no sense. Throughout the entire story, it is the characters within the meta-world that influence the physical world, not the other way around.

>>12471557
>Throughout the entire story, it is the characters within the meta-world that influence the physical world, not the other way around.
The way I'm thinking of it is

Reality
^
Meta world
^
Forgeries

They could obviously do whatever they wanted with the forgeries and in the meta world, but I don't see how the characters in the meta world had more influence on the real world than Ange did on the meta world. Though I don't want to believe it, it seems like the meta world is just imagined by people, just like the forgeries. I haven't actually read Umineko for a couple years though so I may be forgetting something, I'm just getting worked up thinking about these things again lately. And whatever symbolism there is I'm certainly not picking up on, so maybe I am a fucking autist. It's kind of hard to know what's symbolism in something like this.

To me the real mystery is why EP1's Battler became the meta-Battler. From what we know, he was simply a piece on the gameboard at the beginning. Why did this particular Battler ascent to the meta-world and not the others?

>>12471703
Maybe EP1's Battler didn't ascend to the meta-world, and Meta-Battler was there since the beginning.

>>12471422
Why is Ikuntko an animal abuser?

>>12471802
Don't think so. In EP1's Tea Party, the dead cast is sent to Purgatorio where Battler vows to disprove Beatrice's existence. The meta-Battler shown starting in EP2 is clearly the same one from Purgatorio, ergo the piece from EP1.

>>12471703
Even weirder is Battler's fate in EP2. Piece-Battler walks into the study as the clock tolls midnight and sees Meta-Battler on a leash, then they become one and get killed again and again in the golden land.

>>12471831
Piece-Battler obviously stops existing after midnight.

>>12471826
Ok, but that doesn't mean that meta-Battler and EP1 piece-Battler are the same thing. You can simply take that as the reaction of meta-Battler to the first game.

>>12471845
That doesn't make much sense. He even asks something to the effect of "Where is this place?" when he first arrives in the meta-world parlor.

>>12471845
If he'd been there all along, he wouldn't be asking about where he was after his death in EP1.

Young rosa was literally the most adorable thing in umineko

>>12471848
>>12471852
Well then, maybe he wasn't there all along, but he was summoned in the meta-world after EP1 was over. That explains his confusion, but it doesn't necessarily mean that EP1 Battler was summoned in meta.


Personally I think that meta Battler is the representation of Battler stuck inside Tohya's mind.

>>12471901
That wouldn't explain why he only has the memories of EP1 Battler then.

>>12472584
He has amnesia. He regains his memory as Ikuko tells him about the Rokkenjima forgeries starting from EP1.

The witches blocked the server!

I'm in episode 6. Now I understand what people mean when they say Bern is a cat.

>>12465666
I read Battler jumping into the ocean after Beatrice more as him trying to save her than him trying to suicide. The whole bit with them hugging as they float down as shown in >>12465336 is Beato's delusion. He jumped after her but couldn't find her so gave up.

It seems most people who hated episode 8 hate it because it gave them an answer they didn't like. Rosatric, Evatrice Nanjotrice, whatever, people had ideas they really wanted to see played out and then felt betrayed when 07 didn't do what they wanted. I can understand not sympathizing with Yasu in some cases, but the whole point was that he/she was twisted and behind the mask of "The Golden Witch" there was just a fucked up and lonely kid.

>>12465666
>Really?
No, everyone knows the greatest love story ever told was Toradora.

>>12476060
It's not actually a delusion, it's a metaphor. Battler really does "die" at that point, it's just that his amnesiac corpse gets washed ashore.

>>12476127
Didn't he get Amnesia when he was hit by the car? But that does make sense I suppose.

>>12476148
I personally prefer to see it as Beatrice's delusion. She knew she couldn't live with him after what she'd done, but she was still wanted to be with Battler with all her heart, so she imagined he was falling with her to the bottom of the sea.

>>12476076
>Nanjotrice
The -trice suffix applies to theories on the identity of Beatrice. Nanjotrice is disgusting and weird. At least in Gohdatrice and Battlertrice, they look humorous in dresses. Old Asian men crossdressing is just gross. Genjitrice has an excuse because Genji will do whatever it takes to please his master.

>>12476517
The whole Yasu thing was pretty disgusting and weird. More so than Nanjo cross-dressing, I'd say.

I still wish there was an answer to all the little things.

Like why did Yasu write two (or more) mystery novels? They can't be used to plan a murder, nor to set up a fake mystery because it is missing the details of how it all should be done. Unless the facts we were shown were selective parts of the story where all the "play" or "murder" instructions where omitted. But then why would anyone outside the island treat the bottled stories any special? In other words, the single reason for Yasu to write these, is for Battler to read and remember his old promise.

If we go with the only logical choice for the written stories, then why did Yasu send out money to the relatives? She was not funding a fake mystery, and she was not plotting murder. Unless that was in addition to the written stories. But you hand over a story about Beatrice and sneak away and murder someone claiming it was Beatrice, because it will be obvious who did it.

Third oddity is the lack of Ange in the stories. So it seems like Yasu bribed Kyrie in advance to keep Ange home, so that she didn't have to write her into the story to remind Battler of the past. Makes no sense at all. But if we assume Yasu bribes Kyrie to kill people, would they agree to keep Ange home so Yasu knew how to write the story? That is also kind of ridiculous "Please come and murder all the family members. Ok, is it OK if I leave my daughter home and just murder everyone else?".

So with these two answers, we know Yasu wanted Battler to remember his promise, and kill his entire family. With this scenario it doesn't seem like Yasu cares at all anylonger and just want to mess with Battler. Yet the ending is that Battler forgave Yasu for all of it.

>>12478022
She could have written 63 trillion stories, three stories for every possible combination of family members. Or only 1.5 billion if she could ensure that the servants and Kinzo could be in the stories. It's also reasonable to say that Krauss'a family would come, and given their desperation, Eva and Hideyoshi. George wouldn't miss his own proposal. That would only need 2160 stories. Since Maria could be counted on to ensure that Rosa would come, only 72 stories. Additionally, the game will not occur if Battler doesn't show, so 18 stories to cover the remaining possibilities of Rudolf's family.

>>12476148
Funny, Rose Guns Days also has a character who gets amnesia after being hit by a car.

oh wow you guys weren't kidding about incest rape

>>12478931
What if someone got sick? You need at least those 1.5 billion stories. But the real question would of course be why it had to match the actual event. It's not like Battler would read the story and go "This is so fake, Eva is home sick and not on the island so this story sucks!"

>>12480200
Isn't the state of everyone decided before and not affected by stories itself?
How like Ange is sick BEFORE family meeting start, so no matter what she will never go to Rokkenjima.

Erika state on the other hand is decided during meeting, so sometimes with the help of luck she can end up alive at the Rokkenjima.

>>12480192
Me too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrnglvZnMJg

Best scene

>>12476076
>most people who hated episode 8 hate it because it gave them an answer they didn't like
what is oreimo

Umineko threads are "generals" now?

Gay.

>>12471887
>not Eva Beatrice

>>12483079
So sexy.

>>12481989

Though there's big disdain for episode 8, I think the battle scenes for defending the Golden Land and Lamby vs Bern were pretty fantastic. After constantly seeing the Ushiromiya family get murdered over and over, it was marvelous seeing them tear things up. Especially Krauss and Rosa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ofbbBOn_8E

>>12483093
I think EP 8 was quite comparable to EP 8 of Higurashi. "OK, mysteries solved, here's a whole episode worth of Hollywood-esque action scenes and the heroes doing awesome shit."

>>12483085
sexier

>>12484220
No.

>>12484224
but yes.

When will he do another No Naku Koro Ni
Any words on this?

>>12485459
His gay lover and muse died, so never.

Sometimes, I wonder what can be found on translator's site..

>>12478931
Assuming she writes a story every 24 hours, she would need 172602739726 years to write every single possible combination of family members.

Ensuring that the servants and Kinzo could be in her stories, that's only 4109589.0411 years. Assuming the Japanese daily dietary energy consumption per capita of 2810 kilocalories (2007 census) for the next 4*10^6 years, that's as much as 3242307.69231 metric tons of rice, which is equal to 2.49408284024 times the yearly exportation of rice by China.

Another thing to think about with the stories, is that as far as we know, they do not include the meta world. But how would these be possible to solve without the meta world? You'd have no red truth, and no Battler assistance. The only thing you have is a lying story teller and a detective. Said detective also do not act like a detective but is just another victim in the story that can say what they see and it is truth.

On the other hand, we can choose to consider the meta world as a reflection of just Shannon sitting next to Battler giving hints, or calling him stupid, while trying to solve the mystery story. That way it becomes less unfair as a mystery for Battler, even if it makes no difference for the outsiders who read it.

But if we look back to the Ange missing from story part again, wouldn't this be really weird? Battler getting to read a story that conveniently is missing Ange the same time as Ange is missing from the island.

Perhaps it is all just a new layer of lies? Maybe Ange actually was in the stories, but omitted to make it all sound better. After all, isn't our view the meta view made by witches? We never get to be in the world of umineko and read the stories. We just get a retelling of the stories as a witch vs Battler duel. Real world Ange never reads us a story the way they were actually written.

>>12487873
R07 talked about this.
You only need Battler perspective to solve the stories.
If someone is talking about impossible things or experiencing magic, the first thing you should do is already suspecting him as a culprit or accomplice.

First story was really not that hard if you think about this. Let's start with the first twillight. By smug talking they didn't let cousins see Shanon corpse, that was not there to begin with. That was a strong hint, but buried under false hints. Like people having whole faced ripped out, so maybe someone was playing dead by tossing false corpse there etc. And they said, that only half of Shannon face was ripped, so you believed that this corpse is confirmed, even when no one saw her. That was sneaky.

There are more examples of this in first 4 stories.

So who was the culprit in episode 5?

>>12488698
Nastuhi. Erika could have popped her then and there if she hasn't been fucking Battler.

>>12488762
But Virigilia said, that Natsuhi is not the culprit

>>12488698
The strangest thing about 5 is that Krauss was killed right after Natsuhi heard him on the phone.

Otherwise nobody was dead and it was all staged to get Natsuhi to confess that Kinzo was dead and about the child 19 years ago. Likely someone (Eva, maybe) went too far with Krauss and ended up killing him.

Since they all discovered the gold together and Yasu wasn't shown telling them about the bomb, they could have died in the explosion, but there also could have been wholesale slaughter that we don't see after Erika's trap, because Krauss is dead and that can't be swept under the carpet.

It's pretty vague.

Impatient Ange is cute.

My Ring-putting Ceremony can't be this Suggestive.

>>12488817
>trusting an unconfirmed red truth
Red truth are only meant for you to stop looking for things, not be used as supporting evidence.

>>12488921
Even funnier is that there's no real reason to kill Krauss.

>Likely someone (Eva, maybe) went too far with Krauss and ended up killing him.
Only the culprit can kill.
Assistants never kill.

>>12481989
What I find hilarious is that Goat-kun finds another way of getting to the prison while all the other goats try to go in a single passageway.

There is only one other path that leads to the underground, and that is to solve the epitaph.
I always find it funny that Goat-kun represents the people who solved the epitaph.

Does Battler trying to make Ange schizophrenia or something?

>>12489467
The goat got steroids in wedding.

i wonder why there is so much Ange + Amakusa art there? They never really showed any signs of affection to each other, did they?

>>12489462
If red truth can't be trust, then this whole VN is shit worthy.

>>12489467
No one solved that shitty epitaph.

>>12490583
Bullshit, it was solved.

There was even a name of the theory Hawaii theory?? about it. Forgot the name.

Just go in the archives and look for quadrillion, and you'll see.

>>12490583
>>12491223
Yes, I Taiwanese fellow solved it and posted it on the internet.

>>12489899
Because it's hot, mostly.

>>12471422
No. Bernkastel was tasked to save the WTC franchise, which only miracle can do. She is R7's pet cat whom he found when he re-watched the 1954's football final.

>>12490091
>>red truth can be trusted

>>12489251
true

>>12492876
she couldn't find a shorter skirt, could she?

Just finished episode 6. Got a bucket of questions. Damm moot for removing the email field (our blue truth). I was like going to present my theory in that field.

>>12483498
That's kinda the entire way Ryukishi sets up his stories.

In Higurashi, the action scene was shown to make Rika win.
In Umineko, the action scene was to seal the story and end the game with a draw/unsolved.

I somewhat fear the in the next WtC, the bad guys are going to win.

>>12495427
There is only one way to solve ending of 6 episode
Shannon = Kanon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul2C_5MAg1E

Why Dai is so based
I just went to replay 1 episode and I didn't remembered, that this version of Hope is played when everyone names are displayed at beginning.

Instant goosebumps

>>12496646
But that doesn't explain Kanon disappear from closet.

>>12496955
Don't be silly.

>>12496955
Anons have answer it a while ago in this same thread

>>12497037
Kanon changed his personality to Shannon, ergo Kanon "died".

So would the best way to solve the mystery as the detective be to duct tape everything and everyone?

>>12497235
<good!>

>>12497235
>everyone

>>12497049
I also thought he died and the wordplay of him being Shannon to escape the room. Didn't expect this far. Now, if only moot bring us back our blue truth.

wait so i don't get it

is yasu the culprit or is it battler's parents

>>12498417
it was witches

>>12496955
>>12498310

>>12498417
Yasu planned whole murder game but he never get the chance because adults solved epitaph and Kyrie with Rudofl decided to go on the rampage

>>12497235
Hey, it is a good plan! I stopped a thief from robbing my trailer house like that. Well, it didn't stop him, he just left his fingerprints on the sticky side of the tape. And the police didn't care. But at least I knew for sure that it wasn't witches that was getting in my house and stealing my food with magic, but it was a crackhead with a screwdriver.

>>12498417
Battler and Maria did it with tiny food bombs. Beato created Maria's fake jaw and they lived happily ever after until Beato disappeared because she can't leave the island, Battler got hit by a car and enslaved by a troll, and Maria started a cult of pedos and losers to harass Ange through Witch Hunt theory goats and died in a mass suicide.

>>12488344
How about when Kanon was alone in the basement and was killed when everybody else's location was confirmed?

Tell me in spoiler. What is the sled?

>>12500397
Quadrillion turned into Lord U.

>>12500235
Kanon was not killed.
He faked his own death.

Just look at this. Everyone else was found already dead and Kanon was the only one who "happened" to be still living.

Nanjo carried him to his place and later said, that he dies. He was an accomplice and lied.

First reminder.

>>12502215

Anyone got picture of Bern and Kyuubey?

>>12467378
I always thought that she was a woman during all my gameplay.

>>12506141
that would explain why Natsuhi did not want the child, was a woman and could not be the heir, I wouldn't toss the heir down a cliff.
and then she gave birth to a woman.

>>12506176
when a woman can not be the heir, why is Jessica above George in the inheritance ranking?

>>12506313
dumb bitch always gotta ruin everything

>>12506314
Poor Erika wants some attention too.

>>12506313
Is George blind? There's no Shannon there, just the aunts, Maria and Erika.

Also, Eva, where are you placing your left hand??

>>12506334
But she lacks... something.

>>12506371
Erika is perfect the way she is!

>>12506313
They have nice bodies for a 40-50 years old babas

>>12506378
Bern > Everyone else > Nanjo > Erika

>>12506033
>ten quadrillion
I need comparison.

>>12498573

>>12507863
I think Rosa is younger than 40.

>>12508817
What is this?

>>12509844
Higanbana

I finally got around to reading the whole thing and understood the "whole truth", it is a great story, but it left a shit aftertaste (which for some reason feels like what Bern must have felt so I kind of understand her "need" to rip out the guts of the story) and now I am torn between going back and picking out every bit of meat from the bones so I can just lock it away forever, or giving it a rest and never looking back. What did you enjoy the most anons, the trip or the crash?

>>12510061
I'm considering re-reading it with the PS3 sprites and voices sometime.

But I think I mostly enjoyed the music.

>>12511153
I tried, but I couldn't. I like the original stuff too much. I do want to start my 3rd read-through of Umineko, though.

>>12511537
But thou must.

I reached ultimate truth by reading manga so if someone is still unsure about certain twillight or other riddle, I can spoonfeed you, just ask.

Also 7 and (especially) 8 episode in manga version is a FUCKLOAD better than what R07 pulled off in the visual novel.

If he would only end everything like this to begin with, then a lot less people would be pissed off.

>>12516856
Okay then.
Could you explain the truth for the rest episodes on the wiki? There are only two first episodes.

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Legend_of_the_Golden_Witch/Truth
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Turn_of_the_Golden_Witch/Truth

>>12516885
Sure mate.

I will write down every twillight of 3 and 4 game later today.
Maybe I will add some picks, but I don't have good scans.

>>12516898
Wow, that's really kind of you anon, thanks.

Hi there,

I reached the ultimate truth by watching a 10 hours long video from a random gentleman. I've never read Umineko's manga, but if you want me to spoonfeed you, I'd be happy to help.

I heard you all have various difficulties to understand Umineko. I don't know why, but I guess it's because you read the manga instead of watching the video explanation like I did.

Who ULTIMATE TRUTH here?

Ok, lets get this shit done.

A little confirmation to begin with. R07 said in interview, that he will probably show more anwers in the manga, because this long after completion of VN there is no purpose to hiding this. Also he was tired from all the people pissed off.

And it's exactly what happened. We can even see who killed who in twillights, and Confession of the Golden Witch, as part of EP7 manga showed, that Kanon=Shanon and he/she is the Beatrice.

So Rosatrice believers were BTFO. But of course they still stick to this silly theory and won't admit, even when everything here is canon already. Please ignore them.


So, at the start, some picks from CotGW.

Here we have Shannon confused about her own body, when all the others female servants start to getting breast and all, and she is complete flat. She is reading about anatomy etc.

This slender boy figure. No wonder, that she is so confused.
Looking in the mirror she can see a young boy face and body.

Battler won't be amused.

He said, that he likes busty girls

And she decided, that maybe as the life as the boy will be better.

Poor thing.
I wonder what SJW would say about this. Umineko showed, this gender confused as the big tragedy, that eventually drowned Yasu mad.

earth to earth, illusion to illusion

anon asked about 3 and 4 game, so let's begin

First twillight, Kumasawa, Genji and Gohda were killed, Sayo shoot them. Kinzo was already dead.

Shannon was faking her own death. She was lying in the room and ground floor, so it was first, when adults breaked by the window. Later she escaped by this windows, or by the door, because she had second (Kanon) master key.

When adults were running across the mansion (from higher floors to boiler room), Sayo dressed as the Kanon went to the chapel and faked his death. This is how 6 linked closed rooms were done.

Second twilight.

Eva found the gold. Struggle happens between her and Rosa. She pushed her and caused her to fall on the garden fence.
After this she strangled Maria to silence her.

Pic related.

It was obcious, that Sayo didnt committed these murders, because in other episodes Maria always survive to the end or died peacefully by the poison.

forth - six twilight

Kyrie suspect eva. She and Rudolf lure Hideyoshi out. But he works with Eva already and shoot them.
Kyrie survived bullet and shoot Hideyoshi, but dies later bacause of wound.

Pic related

7th - 8th twilight

Eva kills Natsuhi and Krauss. They were drugged and then strangled. It’s unsure if they were killed in the lobby and then taken in the arbour or lead in the arbour after having been drugged and then killed.

Later Sayo kills George and Nanjo.

Eva kills Battler (we seen this in VN already) and lure blind Jessica by pretending Kanon voice. Bomb kills them all after.

I don't have pic for George death in this episode, so as a bonus I add George and Gohda death from EP2.

Interesting thing here is, that Shannon explained herself to George, who rejected her, causing her to kill him and Gouda.

>>12517199
It's funny how it still doesn't detail how Nanjo died in ep 3.

Ryukishi is a clever bastard.

Time for the 4th game.

Interesting note:
Excluding battler, literally everyone was in on the scheme. The first twilight's text reads: The spirit world is a lie created in conspiracy.

Everyone was in a plan to trick one person but then real murders happen. In this case the target was Battler.


1st twilight

Sayo dressed up as Shannon kill Natsuhi and Rudolf & Genji kill Hideyoshi, Eva and Rosa. They were shoot to their heads in the dinning room.

This bunny weapon was of course a shotgun, as we can see here.

Well, considering real events, nothing that exciting happened in 4th game. Sayo later killed everyone. No closed rooms etc. they were lying here and there.
Shannon committed suicide and hide her gun with a trick similar to this from 2nd game. Of course Kanon body was not found.

Ah, right, there was this closed room with Gohda and Kumasawa.
I was really confused by this one, when I read the visual novel.

Well. They were into this but they were thinking, that this is fake murder game. So they were faking being hung by their necks, but then Sayo or Genji came and killed them with a weapon.
He shoot them from this windows so they ended up hanging for real.

What do you think, everyone?

>>12517293
I have some doubts Yasu would kill George and Jessica.Hey, they were some of the very few people that treated her with respect and were even friends of some kind.
And if she really aimed for wiping the complete family out, why not waiting another year to kill Ange, too?
And don't say "because she thought Ange was innocent and didn't deserve death" - she killed Maria, too, who clearly didnt do anything to her.

>>12517224
I had to re-open the manga to double check, since my poor memory said Jessica had died much earlier. But I got reminded that it was actually not stated that she was killed at all. (Apart from credits). However, it is just ridiculous that Eva, having killed multiple people, wouldn't just plain shoot Jessica instead of messing with her.

>>12517333
I think R07 was attempting to go for something like "I'll kill my best friends too, and we'll all live happy in heaven".

Also remember, this is just the mystery novels 3 and 4, and does in no way portray what actually happened. Just what could have happened.

>>12517224
It's a bit hard to believe that Jessica couldn't make out the difference between Eva's and Kanon's voice...

Ah, fuck I didn't even notice this thread was here.
>>12517150
>>12517165
>>12517171
>>12517184
This is way too fucking sad, R07....
Some questions:
Does Yasu have blonde or brown hair? Lion has blonde hair and he's shown as having light colored hair in Episode 7's manga.

Does Yasu go to the Golden Land? The idea of R07 putting him through so much and not being happy is hard to believe after reading Higanbana and Umineko.

>>12517713
Fuck man sorry, that was my bad.
Eva kills Battler and Sayo comes to Jessica to lure her out. Sorry for mistake again.

>>12517727
I don't know if hair color is specified.
Does Yasu go to Golden Land? Who know. EP8 in manga version is written so much better. Everyone admit, that they had a touch in this tragic event.

It's a reconciliation.
Everything is written better. During EP8 in vn I had the impression, that Battler went all "truth don't matter, don't believe in it". Here it is more like "yeah, everyone made a poor decisions in life and it all turned out into this tragic event. But please remember, that all these people have something good in them".

It's really peacefully and bitter-sad-happy.

Whole Golden Land question is more if you or not believe in the heaven.

>>12517824
>Does Yasu go to Golden Land? Who know.

This is going to leave me forever depressed.
Battler being happy in the Golden Land with Yasu's ideal instead of him is just cruel as fuck.

>Whole Golden Land question is more if you or not believe in the heaven.

Even then, we don't see him after he falls into the ocean. So why isn't he seen in the Golden Land?

>>12517284
Where are these from? Surely not the manga, would it really show it so explicitly?

>>12518388
It's really from the manga.

>>12518394
Huh, do they give you the answer to each episode at the end or what?

>>12518394
I thought it was a special volume or something that gives you all the answers.

>>12518398
Most of episodes in manga version are really close to the visual novel.

It's 7 and 8 that goes into details of Sayo life and all the murders.
These pics are like this scene from VN, when Will solved all the mysteris with his "earth to earth illusion to illusion" but this time you can actually see what really happened.

Is there a way yet to read Chiru with voices, but without the sprite patch?

>>12518418

I think the vn's version fits better with the spirit of the whole story. Rather than blatantly showing the naked truth in all its glory, the vn tries to put the reader into the mindset of Yasu, who really believed her own twisted versions of the truth so strongly that she took her own life to protect that belief.

Sure, it's nice to get to see what really happened after all this time, but from my experience the vn version is absolutely the definitive way to experience the story for the first time. I think you'd lose some of the magic if you read the manga first.

>>12518713
There was this quote in Higurashi, about the book of riddles that without answers is useless, because you can never be sure, that your solutions are right.

So it's good to have clarification after all.

>>12518777
I disagree with that personally, though.

The catbox is more fun when it's closed. Now instead of living, the mysteries of Higurashi and Umineko are dead.

>>12517856
Holy fuck it hurts. Someone give me an ounce of hope.

>>12518793
Agreed. I wish he didn't reveal everything like that.

>>12518850
Fuck you Battler ;_;

>>12517333
Yasu killed Maria for a different reason. She was her friend, and Maria wanted to go to the golden land.

Of course, it may have been different on prime. It is weird that Maria's jaw was recovered.

>>12518793
Don't worry. The manga is just a red herring. Ryu's going to release another just like he did with Higurashi and Mariatrice is going to be proved beyond a doubt.

>>12519482
here comes the horse.

Dammit

>>12521527
Crying

>>12518418
Have they been scanned?

>>12521558
Yasu ;_;

Unless you're Yasu, right?

Natsuhi is fucking worst character

>because of MUH feelings I must kill this kid and servant as well
>I pretend that nothing happened
>I don't like anything and have no hobby, I like autumn because it's easy season to pass time
>I better hide Kinzo dead and keep him in the fridge for 2 years and I imagine in my head, how he praise me for this

She ruined Yasu life and even later bullied her when she was working as Shannon and not letting Jessica to play with her.

Fuck Natsuhi.
She sits on her ass on this island whole year doing nothing and only complaining about headache.

>>12522533
>Shannon gets George
>Kannon gets Jessica
>Beato gets Battler
>Lion gets Will
>Everyone is happy in the Golden Land
>Except Yasu AFAIK
>Yasu's counterparts get to be loved but no one loves him for his true self

Unless I'm misunderstand something, everyone except Yasu goes to the Golden Land happily. The person who suffered most does not get to be happy even in death. What is R07 trying to say? I'm not misinterpreting this, am I? Even then I don't get how this works and it's incredibly bitter.

>>12522842
Isn't Yasu just Beatrice?
She loved to makes pranks and she wanted to become a witch, that she slowly learned from Maria

>>12522940
From my understanding meta Beatrice is Battler's ideal woman and not Yasu.

>>12522979
I think this whole problem is very complex.

Let's start with Yasu first introduced. I have not read manga beyond these information, that anon posted in this thread, so I have informations mostly from visual novel.

She started working in Ushiromiya house and got blessed name Shannon. But, co-workers were making fun of her and calling her by "Yasu" nickname that she hated. She thought, that she don't deserve this name, so she created "perfect Shannon" friend, that everyone likes.

Later Yasu learned about magic tricks and after her first prank she decided, that she want to become a witch. That was still before Battler promise, right? So we can say, that Yasu wanted to become a witch on her own.

And here is a tought part for me. Shannon become that clumsy servan, that Yasu always was and she has a breakdown about her own gender, so she created a Kanon persona in order to taste the life as a boy.

But what about "Claire", the Beatrice prototype? She was there to cheer her up and everything but I am rather confused about this part.

But in the end she is the one, that loves Battler and was the reflection of a ideal woman. But Battler never said, that she likes witches, so that was a Yasu whim.

With all of this can we say, that Beatrice is ideal same for Yasu and for Battler? For Yasu, because she want to be experiences, thousand year old witch that is making pranks, and for Battler as well.

And where you find these manga scans in a good quality, translated as well? Are all these chapters translated? Have you links?

Cheer up anon.

>>12523051
http://corenbaili.tumblr.com/tagged/yasuda+sayo/

>So we can say, that Yasu wanted to become a witch on her own.

Yes, but he later changed her appearance to match Battlers taste.

>With all of this can we say, that Beatrice is ideal same for Yasu and for Battler?

Mmm. The problem and what I find most depressing is not being loved for how you actually are and your body. It's very upsetting for me.

I want to force Yasu out in front of the family and humilate her by ripping off his dress and showing his furniture status to the world. I want to hit him and force him to tell Jooji and Jeshika all about how he was tricking them, then make him tell Battler about how he was a faggot who obsessed over him for years. Then I'd take that fucking tea cup and show that little brat Maria what a pathetic witch her friend really was. Finally, I'd bring out Yasu'd stories about how he kills the family and let the Ushiromiya's have at him.

>>12523736
It's a shame that Erika couldn't do this.

You have to wonder what happened if Battler succeeded in groping Shannon in episode 1?
Yasu would have A LOT to explain to him, George and Jessica, but it probably would have been a better outcome than how it went.
If the cousins would understand Yasu's situation (though George and Jessica wouldn't be all too happy), they might have accomplished at least a halfway decent end.

>>12517150
>So Rosatrice believers were BTFO.

I'm sorry I didn't read the manga but the video I've seen explain why Rosatrice is the culprit of Umineko. You should see it, because you're obviously confused.

What do you call the VN, though? Is that the anime adpatation?

>>12525018
Oh I know this video made by an autist who don't even know Japanese, but made severeal hours long explanation where he clings to little details in english fucking fan translation when people were translating all the "persons, personalities, people" without a clue, how imporant this will be later.

Opinions discarded

When people don't like the story made by an author, so they try to prove, that they know better about this shit than the author itself.
It's always the worst part of fanbase that you can't even argue with, because they believe that the theory that goes against the whole heart and message of the story is true, just because.

Well according to this, whole 7 and 8 (5 and 6 in most part too) episodes are only to deceive people, so these "few brilliant" can reach the truth.

According to this also whole manga that is written by R07 is only to deceive people as well, so those people who never read VN will only know this "fake" explanation.

>>12525034
I've never read the manga or watched the anime VN, but Rosatrice is the only logical explanation, anon. There is literally no alternative. I don't know why you're trying to spin a narrative where you found the Ultimate, Secret Truth of Umineko, but the truth is that there is no "secret truth".

Reread the manga or watch the VN. You, too, can reach this explanation if you're trying hard enough.

>>12525069
Rosatrice is wrong on several level.

Yasu is the only answer.

It's even stupid to think, that R07 would introduced that complicated character and hint pointing at him across whole visual novel, only to be him a deception for a worse explanation know as "Rosatrice".

So stop being delusial and deal with the fact, that this silly theory was proved fake a long ago.

>>12525093
Who is Yasu and in what is he relevant to Umineko?

Anyway, you're clearly the one being delusional if you didn't understand the unique truth of Umineko. You're clearly a goat.

>>12525262
Yasu is the main center point of Umineko that you happened to miss.
Congratulation on this. Good job.

>>12525340
So, just another name for Rosatrice? How can you be so dense?

>>12525360
You and other Rosatrice believers drastically overestimate Ryukishi. You think a mystery story was his biggest plan for this series? Sure it doesn't excuse advertising it as such, but holy shit, you have to be ignoring everything in the story and stretching even more to believe Rosatrice is possible on a motivational level.

>>12525370
Is this part of fandom, lack of confirmation is the confirmation itself for them.
Like no matter what happens, this theory is true for them, even when it is working against whole heart and motive of the story.

>>12525388
Which is exactly why they overestimate him. On the larger level, Umineko is not a mystery. It's a tragedy with themes such as anti-greed, what constitutes love, and childlike mystery as compared to adult rationality.

>>12523736
I hate you.
>>12525370
He's trolling, man.

>>12523736
Cut the part after "finally". You'll be fountain-pen'd before. Because you made Maria sad in front of Rosa.

Keep the thread alive until next monday. It's important.

>>12525721
we'll try.

>>12525695
Rosa makes Maria sad in front of Rosa all the time.

>>12523736
Pls dot bully Yasu.

What do you guys think happened after she sank into the depths of the ocean? Did she live happily in the Golden Land with Battler? ;______;

>>12528646
Of course she did. They both lived happily ever after in the Golden Land.

>>12528658
Hold me, anon! ;_____;

>>12528646
>she

>>12528669
Please don't bully Yasu

>>12528669
Beatrice is a beautiful witch. A female one, at that.

>>12528660
Okay, read the ???? and I don't remember most of it.

Battler lost his memories of Beatrice/Yasu.
Beatrice/Yasu saw Battler diving towards her despite him floating to the surface. Would the battler she saw be the spirit or some shit of his memories of her? If I'm not misinterpreting wrong that's pretty romantic.

But I don't get the ending. Everyone shows up at the end greeting not-Battler. Anyone want to explain?

>>12528778

Its magic, I ain't gotta explain shit.

>>12528778
The room in the orphanage was modeled by Ange after the hall in the Ushiromiya mansion, so when Battler enters it his memories come back to him.

>>12528804
I don't think that causes them to appear and speak to you.

>>12528812
What if you have schizophrenia?

>>12528816
But seriously speaking, you should have learned to not take anything in Umineko literally by now.

>>12528816
That still doesn't explain Auau

>>12528821
You mean Hanyuu? A collective delusion induced by the Hinamizawa syndrome.

>>12528827
Anon, please.

>>12528646
Neither of them actually fell, and it just symbolized them leaving their old selves behind. Beatrice died there, but Yasu lived on.
Once their escape was officially successful, as a prank, Yasu hit Battler with a car and thought she accidentally killed him, so she ran away and lived the rest of her life in misery.

>>12528853
Please don't bully Beato

>>12528853
Right. Who doesn't prank his friends by hitting them with a car?

>>12528853
You're onto something here, a small modicum of truth.

>Neither of them actually fell, and it just symbolized them leaving their old selves behind. Beatrice died there, but Yasu lived on.

Great.

>Once their escape was officially successful, as a prank, Yasu hit Battler with a car and thought she accidentally killed him, so she ran away and lived the rest of her life in misery.

Nein.

Look at Ikkuko. Look at what we know about her.

First, she's rich. She has no problem whatsoever with living in a huge mansion out of nowhere and doing nothing with her life.

Secondly, she's young. The VN goes in its right mind to remind us that, even when Battler was beginning to show his age, she was still young looking. It means she probably has the same age as Battler, more or less two, three years.

Thirdly, she's hiding and stay away from society.

Fourthly, how could Battler be so right in the Episode 3, 4, 5, and 6 he wrote when he didn't remember all the truth? Answer: Ikkuko provided him with the elements he lacked in his story.

Ikkuko is Yasu. Something happened, Battler lost his memory, and she stayed with him all these years until he remembered. The rest is smoe and mirrors.

...And when the fuck did Yasu learn to drive allt his time if they both fell off the boat at the same time or wahtever. Where are you getting this?

And Ikuko* is Ryukishi's horrible insert character. NOT Yasu. Where do you get this. Sure, she's hiding. But it also magically said in the Ep 8 ???? epilogue that Ange had met her and then "magically several decades later" she looked oh so much younger than her, even though Ange was older. Ah man. No, she's just a shit character.

and no. Not yasu. And don't bring in that "Because I have an incurable illness" line. That does not mean the dicklessness.

Bern and Lambda both illuded to that. They said it was their boredom. And yeah I know they're in the metaworld / whatever.

man though. the story might as wellc ome out and say yasu is everyone. Honestly I might be able to actually laugh and enjoy that.

But the way Umineko ended up. It's BS. Yasu is the cancer that killed it. And they dont' deserve to be happy. Why?

Because they are the dumbshit that basically made all the problems for themselves. I have no pity for them. They like met Battler one summer or a couple years. They got to know george and jess so much more. Espcially Jessica. And they set up themselves on a date with them. Yeah, Shannon insisted / suggested it.

They never had accept George's proposal, either, if they really liked Buttler so much.
They never had to lead Jessica on like that.

They caused the huge mess. They even fucked with the family. And if that CotGW is anything to go by, they even acknowledged their incestous relationship.

This thing gets no pity from me, nothing but hatred. What a terribly written piece of shit. I really just hope Ryukishi stops writing about Umineko. The more he writes, the more shit it gets, honestly.

>>12528886
I like to interpret it that way too since the game is all about lying and refusing to show proof.

>>12529207
Please don't put a coherent, well thought theory answering some interesting questions with the "Rosatrice" conspiracy theory garbage.

Umineko is/was about making theories. The fact that an autistic retard went overboard should not make you forget that simple fact.

Ikuko is a pretty shady character, with a pretty shady backstory. The Yasuko theory answer a large part of the perceived problems with her.

>>12529061
Is Ange about to shoot Beato or Bernkastel?

>>12529061
Battler looks like Krauss in this picture.

I think it's the nose

>>12529428
You're right, didn't notice it till now, but yes, he does.

>>12528886
Seeing this theories like this makes me happy to know that Umineko's mysteries aren't fully "solved," and there's still room to think.

>>12528886
Seeing theories like this makes me happy to know that Umineko's mysteries aren't fully "solved," and there's still room to think.

>>12528886
>Neither of them actually fell, and it just symbolized them leaving their old selves behind. Beatrice died there, but Yasu lived on.

That doesn't even make sense.

>>12528989
Faggot

>>12528862
People who aren't fucking crazy. The types of people Yasu is not. The little bastard should have been institutionalized years ago.

>>12529423
probably beato since she wants her oniichan

https://twitter.com/07th_official

The hell.

>>12532902
Anyone fluent enough in Japanese here to tell us what is going on there?

>>12533268
>https://twitter.com/07th_official

I'm not fluent, but it looks like it's a a little crossover movie that's going to be screened at the upcoming "07th Party" event (October 5th), which is a doujinshi event for 07th Expansion related works, as well as some other fun events.

They had a Part 1 that was screened at the last two 07th Parties, and this year they're going to screen that and a Part 2 they've created.

Can we discuss something other than seagull?

>>12537263
There's a 07th Expansion thread up

What do you think about the hair/eye color in Umineko ?
Because we know that these colors aren't true right ?

>>12537499
I think they're all black/brown haired, except for Beatrice and maybe Lion. Battler/Ange's "red" is probably just a more reddish brown thanks to maybe Kyrie having a lighter tone. Jessica's either dyed or brown. The meta characters can have their hair any color so that's a non-issue.

>>12537526
If Krauss would bea true blonde, it wouldn't be a problem for Jessica to be too. But that would mean that Kinzo.. well, you get the idea.
Beatrice (1) as a european and Lion as her descendant are fully ok to be natural blondes.

>>12537289
Nah, I actually planning to nesting in this thread and use it as a news posting/bulletin thread.

>>12461164
You have Umineko generals here at /jp/?
I just finished Umineko for the first time a week ago, and I feel like I've lost something special. I just sit here listening to the OST and it's painful.
I miss Umineko too much already.

>>12539252
That's why I never finished it, I'm afraid I'll feel like shit for days.
I know it's stupid, but I can't help it.

>>12476076
I didn't hate episode 8, I thought it was the weakest of all though.
Namely due to the stupid nature of the goat invasion.
I know what it meant and symbolized, but it just felt out of touch and fucking stupid.

>>12539252
Are you myself, anon?

I finished it 3 months ago and I can't get into other VN since then.
I replayed it for the second time, by watching when my brother played it, and this was even more enjoyable.

>>12539252
We've had Umineko generals for a good number of years now.

>>12539272
It took me too long to finish it. I put it down for about a month after Battler and Beato jumped into the sea.
Only recently I decided to finish it and I've lost a piece of myself in the process. Even so, you ought to finish it.
>>12539361
I can't get into anything new myself now either, I can't stop thinking about it.
I plan on reading it again sometime soon after learning the truth to see how it all fits together in the earlier episodes and stuff.
I do have a friend whom I'm pushing to start Umineko, when he starts I'll probably start my 2nd run to read along.
>>12539387
Ah, I don't frequent /jp/ I only got into Umineko February of this year and I'm from /a/ to boot.
The threads over at /a/ are real shitty though.

>>12539437
Maybe you should go back to /a/

>>12539450
They don't have good Umineko threads over there though.

anyone who can translate this?
I don't really get what's going on here... just that Jessica probably tries to seduce Kanon.

>>12539463
Don't bother, /jp/ is always rude with new visitors. Gotta keep the tradition alive.

>>12539463
>good seacat threads

Must feel good to be new

>>12539506
When I say "Good" I mean that threads here are vastly better with actual discussion rather than the threads at /a/ which consists of the same group of shitposters talking about best girl nonstop.

>>12539526
It's not that different from here, but we do get some game discussion going on between the waifu wars.

Pic related, it's best girl.

>>12525721
We already survive for four months without a single thread not reaching bump limit.

Does anyone have any guides or resources with which one can learn how to use ONScripter? I'd love to be able to script some small, additional stories for myself

>>12540081
This is an objective fact.

>>12539526
Arguing about the best girl is 95% of what we do here too. The main ones are Lambda, Erika, Maria. Sometimes Bern and Evatrice get included too. Very rarely Beato or Ange get included.

>>12540586
Just use Renpy. nScripter is complete garbage.

>>12541052
Maria sucks.

>>12530099
Yes it does because Yasu is batshit insane and she left her insanity behind

>>12541317
And how do you explain Auau getting out of her car and taking care of Battler?

>>12541052
my humble vote for best girl:

Ange is a close second, though.

>>12540586
As >>12541052
already said, RenPy is quite easy to use. But be aware that even small stories require a load of writing.

>>12541126
Hey! You suck, nerd!
Maria is cute as HECK and I would fuck her so hard...

>>12541515
Did Battler witness the car himself?

>>12541126
Maria does suck. Her fans are only a bunch of sick, degenerate pedophiles who only like her because they want to fuck her. That might sound like she's important, but she's the only loli in the story, so the bar for that is so low that she's basically a pity fuck, a tease by 07th Expansion as fan service to the worst parts of their demographic. Maria fans are also a bunch of dipshit dumbass fuckfaces as well, who still believe in magic like some sort of retarded child would.

Contrast this with the <hip>, <pop>, and <cute> Lambdadelta, who not only has the looks, but the brains as well. Her fans are well cultured and elegant, just like her, and were able to solve Umineko's heart with easy because they could relate to the struggle on a very personal level.

>>12541632
That's rude dawg! But I can't be mad at you, because as much as I want to stick my penis inside Maria's sweet loli pussy, Lambdadelta is still and will always be my favorite girl.

I miss the days when we discussed the theory of Jessica being the Other Battler

>>12541579
>my humble vote for best girl:

So...which one, then?

>>12543404
Yasu is not a girl.

>>12541632
Lambda a slut.
Erika best girl.

>>12543636
>Erika

>>12540586
Uncle Mion has docs on his site, I believe, but use Ren'py instead. It's easier and there are tons of documentation in English and isn't it's own programming language. If you really want to use nS, then try begging for help on seacats.net. They've made a couple interesting fangames in it.

And please be sure to post them here and not on animesuki.

does anyone know where I can get the albums "When they sing" vol.1-4

These are the only things I need to fill out my Umineko music collection. I've been looking around and there doesn't seem to be any downloads of these that exist anywhere on the internet. If I have to order them somewhere that's fine. but where?

>>12545222

nm found it here: rokkenjima.tumblr.com

>>12543404

are there any translated Umineko doujins anywhere?
There seems to be a big number of them, but i rarely see one in english...(except for Game master Battler, which is rather hillarious)

>>12543853
Thanks for the info!

On that point, are there major ideological differences or differences in approach towards Umineko between here and animesuki? It seems like both, at the very least, are strongly anti-Rosatrice

>>12546173
I don't really use AS, I just check to see if anything interesting is there every once in a while. But I don't think so. The most active users there were from /seacats/ which is a split from /a/.

The only other relevant fanbase is Tumblr, and they are very different. They rally around Yasu 's gender confusion shit and think the massacre all happened because Battler didn't check his privilege. They've done nothing important except a few neat pictures.

Anyone please create new thread.

>>12546963
pls no