/jp/ - Otaku Culture

First things first: For dozens of reasons, your plan is impossible at best, and a waste of thousands of dollars and a few years of your life at worst. Give up on it.
If you really want to try, this isn't the place for it. Go to >>>/trv/ and get ready to get given the hard facts. You aren't gonna succeed, and the list of reasons why is almost endless.

>>12388720
>not STEM
Enjoy being jobless.

post your art

>>12388745
Nah, an amateur artist in my shithole country suddenly asked to draw for a manga of an anime aired this year.

Shit's surprising.

>>12388765
A foreign artist would either:
a) be overworked hard and then fired when the language barrier gets too much, since the publisher needs someone who can do backgrounds for next to nothing while being thankful for it
b) be hired as a part of some well-meaning but doomed openness policy, which the difference in work ethic prevents from working
c) be hired by a zainichi-led publisher trying to undermine the native market.
You don't seem to understand the difference in work ethic. To make it as a freelance artist (to say nothing of being a signed artist) in Japan, you have to put in more work hours than any Westerner would ever dream of, at the top of your performance, with no possibility of setting your own deadlines and with no expectations of ever seeing a penny for it.
What makes Western "work ethic" incompatible with Japanese work ethic is that Westerners draw for money or fame, cutting corners to put out material at half the quality in twice the time, then spend the rest of their time procrastinating. You're not going to be able to deal with the pressure of one of the most demanding careers in Japan if you haven't been born and raised there. On top of that, the language and culture barriers mean that any permanent job you get is going to be the equivalent of that of a Vietnamese or Korean animation studio member - do the shitty work, because someone with lacking understanding of the workplace culture and language will inevitably fuck up any larger jobs.

>>12388781

but a brazilian guy moved there and made a LN series which got made into an anime

and he's br rich now

'no game no life' btw

Don't manga artists get paid in peanuts?
Wouldn't you be better off keeping it as a hobby or follow Mark Crilley?

>>12388793
>keeping it as a hobby
he'd still have to do something else for a living, which would probably be something shitty (though not nearly as shitty as being an unpaid foreign manga assistant-for-life)

This is a troll guys, nobody can be this stupid

>>12388793
I really can't do anything else than draw. I would like to do fantasy game art if I have to stay in western style.

Commercial artist? Bad idea. Go indie/doujin if you want to retain some sort of dignity and freedom.

>>12388802
all of us here are mature adults who have given up on childish things like pursuing pipe dreams but we still don't have much to show for it

what's the worst that could happen anyway

>>12388805
Can't you create a portfolio and try to get some commision work? Improve your skills and try to market yourself. Get a part time job on the side just to support yourself.

>>12388814
There are people who pursued said "pipe dreams" who have much more money than you'll ever have in your whole life, though.

It's clear now that I should do doujin work and drawing is more like a hobby with what I should pursue my dreams. But I'm moving anyways to Japan and I really want to study there. Study then what? First years I will of course study japanese but after that?

>>12388842
Robotics, please.

>>12388747
This. Show us your portfolio if you claim to be good at drawing.

>>12388842
Just stay in your own country. No need to waste money and your time studying over there. It's better to just go there for summer vacations or something.

>>12388847
But depending on the area he wants go for, Japan is actually a good place to go.

>>12388844
I don't want to tell who I am and then be laughed at. Not cause of my art but because of my stupid dreams.

>>12388842
Why not a shitty light novel? Web manga and novels seem to be popular lately. Correct me if I'm wrong.

>>12388847
if he works really hard in his home country (in a STEM field) he can go to japan on a MITI scholarship, though not everybody is cut out for STEM

i wish i had become a full weeb earlier it might have motivated me to not fail college

>>12388857
I honestly don't think anyone cares enough. Do you post on /ic/ on a regular basis? Granted it's not the best place to get feedback but there are a few gold nuggets.

>>12388861
There are several light novel contests but he needs to come up with something that seems promising and at least with a gimmick that makes it stand out more than the others. He won't be able to pull this off in a single try though, he'll have to learn how to write to teenagers. And even if that seems easy, he'll have to compete with a lot of other people.

>>12388869
I posted on drawthreads and learned lot from anons but not yet on /ic/.

Post your art, anon. We'll see if you have any hope of making it over there.

>>12388872
Let me try. It's about a high school teenage boy who gets abducted by a gang of rowdy British, Japanese and German girl pirates who came from a different dimension apparently. With his ass in toe, they head back to they set sail to seven seas and go on all kinds of adventures. Tentacles from squids, sea cucumbers, beach episodes, the works. I can do this.

I don't even want to think about working as an illustrator in Japan.
Even regular white-collar work looks pretty frustrating with work ethics.
I'd probably be able to deal with something white-collar or even blue-collar, but art is probably one of the worst things to start out new, especially as a foreigner.

That said, there are schools that cater to media and potential foreign students, like the Osaka University of Arts.

>>12388864
Two more years for me. For someone with no money and since I don't live in Murica it's probably the only way. Being a weeb is probably one of the two things that motivate me, so yeah.

Post your art OP, remember, the more moe and sparkly it is the more likely you are to be hired, although pixiv minimalist hipster artstyle is starting to pick up.

>>12388811
There's nothing ``dignified'' about manga style drawing.

>>12388792
Which one?

>>12388884
If it's must I can draw something for you by tomorrow.

>>12388899

is it hard to google 'no game no life' and see who made it

>>12388901
No. Post it now. You seem nervous, dude

>>12388811
Diginity and integrity is not gonna put food on the table. Commercialwork as your main source of income and on your free time explore and attempt to do create works of artist that has said integrity and see how the community responds to it.

>>12388904
Most manga authors and animators have abysmal pay and working conditions though.

Also, you realize most doujin authors have at least part-time jobs right?

>>12388903
You make me nervous by saying that I'm nervous. But really there's no option when everything that I have drawn is on the net already.

>>12388909
Doujin means circle. By definition it is a group of people. One guy writing manga in his free time is not a doujin author.

>>12388912
Then post your tumblr, dA, or pixiv nerd

>>12388917
>>12388857

>>12388917
Is there really any point? People will shit on him regardless of his skill, just because he's revealing himself in such a manner.
OP is still a faggot though and just stay at home.

>>12388916
I guess that means team shanghai alice is not doujin then. Well that news to me.

>>12388922
Can't you at least post one picture? Pretty please? I won't laugh. I promise.

I had a dream like that once

just take a computer science course where you live, drop out after 2 years, become a neet and spend your days being a bitter sh*tposter like the rest of us

dreams are for nerds

>>12388916
I guess that means Team Shanghai Alice isn't doujin then. Well that's news

Taking mangaka as a job is bad idea, especially in Japan while you're a foreigner.

>>12388949
Then I want to be top kind of nerd.

>>12388949
>drop out after 2 years
This is offtopic, but why not transfer out to a community college, get an associate's degree, and work internships until you feel more comfortable to complete your 4-year degree?
Few people can completely fulfill their dreams, but we can make an effort to get closer.

>>12388989
Get a load of this wanker.

>>12388997
sorry, dude.

>>12388902
He's half-Japanese, though.

>>12388792
he is half japanese so he likely had citizenship of japan from since he was born and he might have moved over to japan very early in his life and assimilated quickly and easily

>>12389067
That anon is just pretty much misinformed. NGNL's creator moved out of Brazil when he was very young, and pretty much grew up in an environment filled with otaku culture.

>>12389083
yeah thought so

well anyway we can perceive a heck of a lot more dreams than the dreams we can feasibly achieve but there are so so so many things that you _can_ achieve aswell, including things that you should more or less be already interested in to a degree, or you will find new enjoyments and stuff in the future

so dont be disappointed about this
also have holidays in japan and maybe go meet people you like who illustrate your otaku stuff if any opportunities come through like that
just look for another thing to strive for yourself though

Fuck off faggot

>>12388842
Why bother going there? They got better coffee or something?

>>12388949
You must've learned something during that SC course. Can you do coding?

going to school for art is like buying a treadmill to run

>>12388765
is it indonesia?

>>12389506
I'd honestly like to disagree with you but your absolutely right.

I also have to agree with the fact I doubt Japanese people would buy your manga if your an outsider. Then again, isn't there very few jobs a foreigner can do in Japan anyway?

>>12398036
Not really. If you're decent at STEM areas I doubt they'd refuse you.

>>12398090
Not OP but I know moon and I am going tp graduate with a BS in EE a year from now. Strongly considering looking for something there but I haven't searched or anything.

I still have this dream, but I am a graphic designer. I specialize in branding, logo, and editorial design.

I have a dream where I travel to Japan wearing nothing but a pair of Union Jack hotpants and spend my nights breaking into the houses of NEETS before wrestling them to the ground and shoving tenners down their pants.

>>12398295
>tenners
is that a euphemism for your monster cock?

>>12398297
You need to brush up on your British or the flying fox of the yard will get you.

>>12398315
I know that silly I just thought it was another one of those lad banter~ double entendres.

>>12388720
DO. NOT. DO. IT.

- I'm living in Tokyo and the economy is bad.
- They don't let foreigners ANYWHERE close to their industry. You can buy but you can't make.
- I know some people but most are struggling/planning to move to greener pastures.

From a practical point of view, I would say try artwork for advertizing/marketing agencies but Japan has MANY artists (as you already know).

If you really wanna live in Japan, do something that they can't/don't want to. Computer programming pays well. Teaching English is tempting but doesn't pay enough (for Tokyo standards) Japan is great to visit but terrible to live in. People are uber friendly if you speak Japanese; otherwise they just shy away and appear cold and distant.

If art is your priority, try Hong Kong or Shanghai. (Wouldn't recommend Singapore; their visa policies are fucked up atm)

>>12398747
What about research in STEM? Say, for example, I'm majoring in electrical engineering or physics.

>>12398781
If you are opting for research, Singapore is a MUCH better option. If you can do something from NUS or NTU, landing a job is damn easy. If you do it from any other uni, you'll be going back home.

>>12398747
>They don't let foreigners ANYWHERE close to their industry. You can buy but you can't make.

http://myanimelist.net/people/10929/Lynn
http://myanimelist.net/people/4212/Kamiya_Yuu
http://myanimelist.net/people/16427/CUTEG

What you need is a hard work to get into the industry, not being a Japanese.

>>12388842
>But I'm moving anyways
Good luck. Nearly impossible for some prepubescent twerp like you to forsake everything and just move to Japan.

>>12398834
unless you're a flip

>>12398984
What's a flip?

>>12399054
subhuman scum

Thanks guys. I've decided to not move to Japan. I hope marketing enough my artwork will get me to places some day. You never know.
There's also a possibility to be a exchange student just for a year in Japan. At the moment I have been featured in some doujinshis in Comiket but one day I want to be there selling only my own artwork.

>>12398801
Now give me a list of the number of people who couldn't make it.

>>12399241
You can have a huge list of Western artists that don't make it in the US too. The reality is that most people don't make it no matter where you are.

>>12399295
Unless you move to seattle, I swear there are more art galleries open there than there are homeless.

>>12388801
it's better to have something shitty for living with a hobby all for yourself than convert your hobby into a full time job and share your hobby with lots of people who will commission you to draw trash you wouldn't want to touch through a hazmat suit.

that's how hobbies die and how people turn suicidal, when the one thing they loved doing becomes a chore they hate.

Isn't working in japan positively mind numbing? The pay for what you want to do would be terrible and the workload would be intense. It's a waste of time. Lots of young artist are making it(as a side job) outside japan appealing to the anime crowd with their artwork already. You just need to get connections/friends etc if you want to get anywhere.

>>12398801
Aside from the Korean one, I don't see how those are foreigners. Lynn was born there and the guy is half japanese and loved there since he was young.
There are much more failed weeaboos.

>>12398801
Kamiya Yuu moved to Japan in a very very early young age. Stop using him as an example.

>>12399298
I would say there are as many or slightly less art galleries than there are homeless, because there are a TON of homeless here.

Studio Trigger has expressed interest in my art before.

Could I achieve the dream?

underageb& or what

>>12388746
What if you suck at math?

>>12403099
Enjoy being jobless.

>>12399236
Post ur shit anyway

>>12388746
>study something you don't like so you can have a job haha i know this is true because i studied it and now i am big successful career man that is why i spend all my time on an anonymous image board for japanese culture hahaha

Day 4

OP has still not posted one pen stroke.

not OP, but share same interest.
my question is for those of us who knows the society from within.
i do not want free, doujin, assistant, nado job... but, what if i come out with a really good story and graphic. we can observe works with lame-graphic-good-story, lame-graphic-lame-story and a huge deal of plain-graphic-fandom-story are published; but they are all of Japanese authors.
thus, is it possible at all for gaijin to be published in Nihon?

>>12403099
Put more effort in to it.

What if you're really good at math and science but you get the monbukagakusho scholarship because it's rigged?

>>12403330
Fuck you. Like I would ever post my art. Go fuck yourself.

http://maiscore.tumblr.com Pls no bully

>>12403605
I know someone from France who is trying (he already had meetings in Japan with editors, I don't know much about the details) and it looks tough to enter the market. I'd say at least as hard as it would be to a japanese but you must add the fact that they are probably afraid you don't share the same values about work ethics.

>>12403644
Nice.

>>12403644
I like it. How did you learn? I'd like to have the power to draw my favorite characters in embarassing situations.

>>12403758
I don't really know. I kept drawing all the time and sometimes read some books.

>>12403644
Need more variety

>>12403924
Sorry it has been only sketches for sometime now.

>>12403644
I like this one.

>>12404451
No i mean you need to draw different stuff not just cute girls. Scenery, objects, etc

>>12404475
I like that one too

>>12403644
What were you so afraid about? This is good stuff. Now keep on practicing, get connections, friends and a fanbase and you will have a decent life.

>>12404526
>>12388857

>>12403644
I would pay for a doujin made by you as long as it was physical and had lots of flat. Start off with cute H stuff and get your name out there. Everyone know's their favourite porn artists.

If you want to make money you can pander to western fetishists. You draw much better than Shadman or Akabur and they've made a living off of their shitty art.

can this thread 404 already

"Foreigners can't be mangaka."

Prepare to be devastated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W5CjTTtknQ

Heres what the Japanese actually see when American "otakus" come to Japan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3BnwfCS7fY

Note how they blatantly make fun of them
"So funny!"
"Everyone is singing hard with their questionable Japanese!"
"Too good. What can he be?"
"She's fat. Too fat"
Even the narrator says "A fat gaijin who calls himself a otaku"

>>12403644
Make English porn games for cheap donations

>>12403644

You might actually have a shot at this.

The style you draw is uniform enough and pretty consistent.

I'd say just draw some porn and cater to fetishes. Make your own porn comic and sell it and you'll gain an audience in no time.

Once you have that, you should work on connections. Try to connect with people who have acquaintances in Japan if possible.

I honestly thought your art was going to be shit, but you really have nothing to worry about there.

There's so many artists who are fucking terrible and making thousands and you've already surpassed them in skill.

>>12410520
>might actually have a shot at this
Not really, at best end up taking commissions for furry porn outside Japan; you can't get in unless you know the language and the work ethic

>>12410520
Are you Japanese? Just wondering.

>>12403644
Whoa, your stuff is really good. Fluid, consistent and doesnt reek of obvious "I'm trying so hard to be Japanese artist" feel to it. I really like it

>>12404867
>>12404526
>>12410520
>>12411461
Thanks for all your kind comments. I'll mark down your ideas.

Unfortunately, your style and skill doesn't go far in Japan where people at your level are pretty much everywhere and I'm sure those above your skill level are struggling to find work. This is pretty much true of all creative fields though.

Just do commissions here. You'd be surprised how many people are willing to pay for it, especially since your style actually looks very anime-esque and you speak fluent English. I would commission you for a dakimakura cover if I had the money.

>>12388720
Ken-sama go home

>>12403644
>http://maiscore.tumblr.com

Better than most weebs, but not enough to get you anywhere. Just give it up.

>>12412007
Pretty Much.

He's better of doing commissions in the west.

Your art isn't at the level where you can work professionally in Japan. There are thousands of doujin artists that are more skilled than you, and still can't find work.

>>12403644
A lot of this shit is pretty good.
Except for this http://maiscore.tumblr.com/post/88408089730 what is with the eyes?

You have some really cute lolis like in http://maiscore.tumblr.com/post/85840239460..

>>12388720
I wouldn't work in Japan if you were not working for a overseas company. I have my own business where I started in America and then made a branch in Japan, there are quite a few agencies that can help you get started, they even help you with finding a office, hiring and where to advertise. You can pay people to help you manage through the language barrier, but i say it's crucial to be fluent in japanese since you'll be small and being able to work and communicate with your workers firsthand is important if you want to be successful.

I wouldn't say it's very difficult to do, just a very long process, you need a lot of knowledge, experience, motivation, discipline, patience, not quitting when you fail and good leadership. They become very easy to do and understand once you practice and get into habit.

It seems like a lot and hard to manage but it isn't,(somewhat depends on what your business is aswell also) it just takes time grinding those skills and building trust with buyers and workers (this is most important) over the years. It's, about a 10-20 year process to build an sucessful medium to small business(also depends on what your business is), even sooner if you are lucky.

You can start a business in Japan but you need to find a Japanese you can trust to start it, and then you can sorta co-own it. Though I wouldn't do that in a country you have no experience in and also that person kinda owns it, so anything can happen. You can start your own business there but you have to had stayed there for 5-10 years to become a citizen.

This is honestly a better alternative IMO, it's just takes the same amount of effort if you were to work in Japan in most jobs even or even less. But better, because your work load becomes easier as your business grows. Way more money for your efforts with a western work ethic to boot.

>>12388720
Alright friend, as a fellow weeb artist, let me get on your case a bit.
>Being a freelancer artist in Japan is my greatest destination.
It's not. Freelancing is hard enough here in the states - if you want examples of why, go look at the forexposuretxt twitter - and its going to be even harder in Japan simply because there's an abundance of talented artists. Not to mention you'll be at the bottom of the stack just for being foreign - you'll need to be that much more skilled just to compete.
>my style won't sell in western countries
Not everything in the west is capeshit, things like I Kill Giants and Empowered have very obvious anime influences.
>So now I'm puzzled with which school to go. I don't know which search terms to use if I want to study art anything from ranobe to visual novels. Anime is the only thing that I don't really want to work with. You know any so called otaku schools?
Then you're fucked. Being able to understand anatomy, and construction, and perspective, and how mess of other things, is important to drawing anime, and if you get this tunnel vision'd idea "I'm just going to draw anime!" you'll always be shit. To use Musashi's analogy, if you skill is a house, it has to have a good foundation on which to be built or the first stiff wind will blow it over.
>>12388793
Crilley's a hack.
>>12388857
Do it, if you're scared of some anons, then how to you expect to get your work out there? Art directors will not be nice to you.
>>12388930
And, so? >>12403644
>http://maiscore.tumblr.com
Stop copying anime. Stuff like http://maiscore.tumblr.com/post/88411146115 makes it clear that the other stuff is not your own work., copied if not just straight up stolen.
>all these anons falling for this
They might, but an art director won't. Get caught and you'll get fucked so hard your ass will hurt for the rest of your life.

>>12414882
Little advice: check the year when it was drawn.

>>12414675
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=kong+wenge It's the character but I think I still failed. He's eyes should be little smaller, maybe much smaller.

Yo OP.

I have a question for you that you haven't thought about.

Have you ever heard about working in a Japanese company before? Do you know the Hierarchy system they use?

I want you to know that 1.) You'll never be Japanese and they'll constantly remind you in a very passive aggressive way with this "we Japanese" or "we Japanese think..." bullshit. 2.) You work the most ridiculous schedule for the most unrewarding result, any praise or credit goes directly to your supervisor. 3.) Japan is a country that hires ONLY at the entry level position straight out of university. Almost any experience, ability, or skill is disregarded and your forced into their mold which conveniently you won't fit because see 1.).

A few more questions:

- Can you speak and read Japanese fluently? If not, no job for you ANYWHERE unless you want to work in a shitty 英会話.

- Do you know anything about Japan other than that what's related to anime / manga?

- What do you look like? It's mandatory that you put your photo on the CV.

If this is nothing new to you and you dream about sucking your sempai's dick for the next ten years to get a 10円 raise annually.

>>12414882
>Crilley's a hack.
It was merely an example.

>>12414911
No. Little. Not yet. Yes. Good.
But I decided not to go. It would be helpful to make status update now when people are just reading the first message and then replying.

>>12388781
Westerners can't handle hard work? That's racist.

>>12414970
Working there is fine if you are just staying for a year or 2, just going career mode for 95% of the jobs there is shit.

>>12388720
Are you fluent in Japanese? No? Then it's not happening.

>>12414899
A tag is meaningless. Anyone can tag a post with anything, so it doesn't carry the legitimacy of having been posted in 2010.

It actually makes it more suspect, because no one does that - there's no point in tagging a year on something when the post system will tell the date it was posted. I've seen this sort of thing before random works that don't fit in with the larger whole, and it's been exclusively by thieves and copycats.

The account becomes more suspect because the only tags are the year, which makes it seem like it's trying to be hidden, and the lack of organization in posting - most artist post oldest works first, and then post new ones as they make them, and you almost never find older work interspersed with newer works.

And then OP's attitude makes it even more suspect - a person at this level would not be so lacking in confidence.

The whole thing is sketchy as fuck and I don't believe it's OP's work.

test

>>12415404
I believe you are looking way too deep into it, and sorta over rating OP. For four years since the 2010 picture, his progress is extremely shit and artwork is still below average. It's probably the only thing OP knows how to draw, since there isn't anything else.
>a person at this level would not be so lacking in confidence.
You definitely can, it's not even that good and it's borderline deviantart tier. THIS is 4chan also and I seen people much better on /ic/ that was insecure as well. Though OP was kinda weird I agree.

Not seeing the copying thing unless he shoved his shitty uncanny animu head anatomy on each body, it's very consistent. There is nothing wrong with copying as long as you are learning, but that work should not be placed on your page for people to view. Everything else is just too much speculation.

>>12415571
>For four years since the 2010 picture, his progress
That's just it, there's no progression. There's point A and point B but nothing in-between.
>borderline deviantart tier.
Deviantards don't even get half this far most of the time.
>Not seeing the copying thing
It's a lot of little things, like how it's all linework with no values or construction lines, which is common among people who trace. There's also several pictures out of style with the others, and it makes me think they were drawn by different people.
>I believe you are looking way too deep into it
Totally possible. It's all conjecture based on past experience.
>sorta over rating OP
Really the biggest problem I see is is how generic the stylization is. It's all so middle of the road with no personality - the work could be from any of dozens of artists, so the genuine skill behind some of these is lost. Some of these show fairly solid anatomy and good gesture work, but the random posting structure means they're intermixed with older stuff, which as I said, is fucking weird.

Assuming that is genuinely OP, I'd still tell them to move away from trying to make "anime" styled works and try to make something their own. And also to make their site look less sketchy,

>>12403099
you nigger, people just aren't naturally good or bad at things, a brain is like a muscle, the more you work it out, the better it is. put some actual effort into things

>>12415607
>Deviantards don't even get half this far most of the time.
Please I hate deviantart with my soul, but honestly most furries are more skilled than OP, even if their art is disgusting.
>It's a lot of little things
I can see it, but I gave OP the benefit of the doubt for his consistent bad head anatomy. Otherwise them being traced is very believeable, or just very disorganized drawing practices.
>Really the biggest problem I see is is how generic the stylization is.
This pretty much is why OP isn't good and could have been better in that time frame, you can't become a better artist with more original work unless you copy from a wide range of styles. You need to practice both realism and stylization for years, without neglecting either if you want to avoid being another generic artist in either style. Then later you focus towards one, and push them to their limits creating a more original style.
OPs page is weird though it honestly, but it could just be him not having a clue.

>>12415889
>you can't become a better artist with more original work unless you copy from a wide range of styles.
Well, that's not completely true. It's definitely true if you want to do any sort of stylized work, esp. in animation since being able to accurately mimic whatever style the show is using is essential. Realism only really requires lots of observational drawing and study, and you don't have to ever venture outside it, while everything else comes out of realism, so some grounding in realistic work is needed.

But(and this is odd) stylization is fairly well looked down on in western concept, where everyone's work looks like Feng Zhu's, and even mainstream comics to some degree(MIMIC KIRBY EVERYONE). It's really odd how, in these areas, the US pushes the idea of less individuality and Japan pushed it more.

>>12416308
I'm talking about cartoon/comic like styles, and how you become more authentic and original.
I should've used a different word than realism because it's a whole different category itself, but I meant studying real life proportions and such, "realistic work" as you said. Poor choice of words on my part.
>where everyone's work looks like Feng Zhu's, and even mainstream comics to some degree(MIMIC KIRBY EVERYONE).
It's pretty ridiculous, people feel like they won't succeed if their art work doesn't look exactly like it. That's how a lot of schools like feng zhu's market, and it just makes things worse. Also 2D is dieing hard here, people don't take 2D seriously and think it's just for kids. The west is pushing 3D hard and tons of people treat 2D games/tv shows like they are some old Retro relics, unless it's family guy or something like it of course.

I've always sucked at drawing, and I'm literally in the level of stick figures drawn by 5 year olds. Can I still become a good artist? I don't plan on making it my job or something but there's just so many things I'd like to draw, and I'm willing to put as much effort as necessary, since I'm used to it (I'm fairly decent at japanese). The issue is that my skills in drawing are so fucking poor I feel like I should never attempt it.

>>12416789
>The west is pushing 3D hard and tons of people treat 2D games/tv shows like they are some old Retro relics, unless it's family guy or something like it of course.
Yeah. France seems to be the last bastion of 2d animation in the west, and I hope they keep at it. Ernest & Celestine was excellent.

>>12417000
>I've always sucked at drawing, and I'm literally in the level of stick figures drawn by 5 year olds. Can I still become a good artist?
Yes.
>I don't plan on making it my job or something but there's just so many things I'd like to draw, and I'm willing to put as much effort as necessary, since I'm used to it (I'm fairly decent at japanese).
Good, because it's a lot.
>The issue is that my skills in drawing are so fucking poor I feel like I should never attempt it.
No one drew something amazing right off the bat. Bresson said of photography that "Your first 10,000 photos are your worst" and probably your first 10,000 drawings will be your worst. /ic/'s sticky isn't amazing, but it can help you out as far as resources go. Keep in mind that you shouldn't just do studies all day erry day - you should be doing them a lot, but don't forget to do things that are fun or you'll burn out fast.

>>12414970
Wow, you blew a trip to the 2huland just because a bunch of meanies on /jp/ told you not to go? How shallow are you?

>>12417082
No one should head off the Japan for a job without visiting first.

john silva did it; bahi sort of did too. fuck, even genzo works for capcom now for whatever reason.
if you want a career in art, school isn't really that relevant and getting into a japanese art school unless you're already fluent and well off will be more difficult and costly than just freelancing and studying until you can afford to live over there. git gud, nerd

>>12398747
What about food? Ive been in the food industry in CA since 2006, been doing product development since 2011

I was thinking I could work for Kagome or takahashi sauce or otafuku or Kikkoman or something

>>12417653
I don't think bitter /jp/sies are good life consultants

>>12415607
It makes you feel good about your art when some so hardly believes it's stolen.

It's okay OP.

My childish dream is going to Japan and marrying a qt Jap otaku salaryman.

We all have childish dreams.

>>12417727
Hardly.

>>12417750
*strongly

What about that Hungarian or whatever fansuber that got into Sunrise?
Reading his blog he seems quite content with his life there and much less bitchy about it than anyone in the chan.

>>12417783
Why would you take pleasure in your hard work being completely disregarded and being told that you copied some average artist at that?
It's an insult through and though.

>>12417783
Why would you take pleasure in your hard work being completely disregarded and being told that you copied some average artist at that?
It's an insult through and through.

>>12417837
Why would someone copy an average work? People only copy masters. That's what I would atleast do.

>>12417915
>People only copy masters.
How could you type that with a straight face?

>>12417791
It's not that bad, you just have to love Japan and don't mind the pay and work ethic, you can still live a good life of course.