/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Dude,
Yasu in which category count?

little miss autismal autistry

Gohda is best character.

Evatrice is so fucking hot!

>>12378208

You now realize that 2014 have the same calendar structure with 1986.

>>12378124
>Umineko thread #9
Do you really have to be this /a/utistic here?

I just got to the part with incest rape

wtf

>>12381847
It is not incest if it is reincarnation.

>>12381847
The thing is outside the parents everyone who wants to fuck anyone in this series is really just fucking someone they're blood related to. It's all one big incest show anyway.

>>12383625
Of course there is incest. It's based Europe style.
>not being European
>not liking incest

>>12380417
>you will never have Rosa as you aunt
why even live at this point

>general
>edition
Please stop.

>there are still people, who believe in Rosatrice

>>12384287
>there are people who think Erika, Battler, Beatrice, Lambdadelta, Bernkastel, Willard, Dlanor, Ronove, Virgilia, EVA were real
>there are people who didn't know the Ushiromiya family were already dead and none of the mystery/fantasy shit happened

I think ship is really cute. But on the other hand, it's actually just Ange pretending to make out with her imaginary friend, which is kind of messed up and unhealthy. I'm conflicted.

>>12384900
The fact that Ange exists and the rest of the characters don't just makes Umineko shit. Higurashi wasn't all that but still way better.

>>12384303
They exist! Exist! Uuu-

>>12384303
But meta world exist

>>12384303
>>12385715
>>12385745
Well, in that cases, what is the definition of no-existence?
With respect to that?

>>12385715
You need some discipline, child

>>12384303
>there are people who think anyone is umineko exists
>they don't realise it's just a fictual visual novel

>>12385606
Keep in mind the story is selectively picking the worlds where nobody survived. There are actually many more happy endings to Umineko than for Higurashi.

>>12384010
i always thought Gohda was more into close combat.

>>12384900
If so, being messed up never looked better, don't you agree?

>>12384900
You need more love to see it.

best seacat

>>12386915
So Ange is an angry, delusional lesbian in the end?

>>12388358
Game would have been so much better if the answer was that Jessica was Beatrice the third.

>>12388692

>first time entering meta world
>big word "PURGATORIO" appears
>there is still this dumbass who keeps talking, that everything not exist

Yes, forgeries can be interpreted as "fake", because they are written stories in game, but they DONT HAVE META WORLD IN THEM.

There is not single word about meta world being part of the forgeries, this even don't make any sense, because meta world is the main story focus that is going through all episodes.
Forgeries are separate stories, that contain different theory about Rokkenjima Massacre.

Even more, Yasu created few rules that the writing person must follow in order to create passable forgery

>Rule X: The accomplice is different every time. The adults are all in financial trouble. It is easy to bribe them.
>Rule Y: Lies agreed on by everyone can be depicted as actually happening. In a locked room situation anything goes. People who observe the golden butterflies are either accomplices or dead. Those who were not bribed can only see the golden butterflies in the timespace of 30 minutes before their death.
>Rule Z: Somebody, please stop me! Sayo ultimately wishes for Battler to stop her as the culprit, and that she will stop the crimes if the epitaph is solved. If the solver happens to be Battler she promises that she will devote the rest of her life to loving him and only him.

Not a single word about meta world.

Meta world is just simply afterlife.
Also it is strongly implicated, that every forgery is in fact a different Kakera so you can just interprete this as a parallel worlds.


To summarise: yeah, you can say that every Forgery is "fake" and was written by people from the game universum. But it's only a one way to interpret this.

However you just can't say the same about meta world.

>>12386650
>worlds

There are no worlds. Just a girl and her imagination.

>>12389919
The only real characters are Ange, Amakusa, Kasumi, Okonogi, etc. The ones in the present day after the Rokkenjima massacre.

The witches are fake. Erika is fake. Lord Battler is fake, everything the Ushiromiya family did were fake because they're already dead. This is why Umineko is complete shit. Because all the good characters (and their actions) weren't real. Just a bunch of forgeries building up to a garbage character finally getting over the massacre. At least things actually happen in Higurashi, and the characters were real.

>>12392603
But everything in Higurashi was fake. Or did you actually believe in the curse? That is worse than believing in witches.

>>12392705
so hanyu is just schizo rika's hallucination?

and all those "i'm over 100 years old" was just rika lying to look cool and edgy?

>>12392603
And here he trolls again...

>>12392603
As I expected, you have no arguments to prove your points.

>>12392705
>>12392711
>>12392952
No. Everything really did happen.

>>12392955
It's not like the novel proves my points or anything. If you seriously believe in the magic shit then you missed the point of Umineko. And you ignored many key scenes too.

Does anyone know if there is more of this? Or is it simply a singular piece of fanart?

>>12393050
it's a singular piece of fanart

>>12393021
I can't believe that you are the one who talk about missing the point of Umineko

>>12393066
Same here, I didn't think anyone was retarded enough to believe that the witches were real.

>>12393063
ah, thanks.

>>12388924
i just noticed what Kanon is staring at...

>>12393101
He is not staring. He has closed his eyes and is thinking about how Jessica would look like naked.

>>12393241
Well, she has the hots for him, so probably all he would have to do is asking her.

Fuck, I had dream with Shannon tonight.

>>12395945
Did you fuck her?
Also too bad, you could have dreamed of a better character instead.

>>12396003
if you subscribe to the shannontrice theory, you should've asked her to turn into a more interesting character.

since it was a dream, there would be no problem.

Fan theories are shit.

>>12396003
>>12396015
That was a strange dream.

We were in some kind of school, where I found Shannon sitting against a wall with sad face.
She was not acting cheerful like Shannon during rokkenjima event, but was more filled with sad emotions.

She asked me if I will still love her even when I know the truth about her, and she somehow questioned her own gender, but I said that I will stay with her no matter what and we were cuddling.


Well that was strange, because I never had any dream with anime character, and I even don't like shannon/yasu that much. But I somehow like her more after this dream.

Also I never fucking dreamed about a trap and Yasu is probabbly one, well, whatever.
But this is a strange feeling when you wake up and somehow emotions from your dream are still alive.

>>12392603

The point is that everything that happened to the Ushiromiya family has been eternally sealed in a cat box, so the "truth" about what happened to them essentially doesn't exist. No evidence will exist to support any truth for the all of time. It's a perfect closed room where literally nothing is true and everything is permitted. Even claiming that "the fantasy characters were all fake" is merely a theory that cannot be proven true, and because of "Devil's Proof", any theory that includes magic is just as valid as any theory that doesn't.

>>12396999
I like dreams like this.

>>12397307
Although sometimes you fall in love with the character because of them, and you feel like shit for the rest of the day.

>>12397138
It can barely be called a cat box. The definition of that is pretty much that since we don't know what is currently happening, multiple universes may exist at the same time. But we know that currently Ange is alone and the family is gone, which means this is no cat box.

A more accurate description would be to say it is a black box. We know which family members went into it, and which got out of it. But we do not know what happens in the box.

You could say it is a devil's proof, and that we don't know if anyone else is still alive. And then you could go back and call it a cat box still. But that cat box includes the present.

I want more Siesta...

>>12397428
>It can barely be called a cat box. The definition of that is pretty much that since we don't know what is currently happening, multiple universes may exist at the same time. But we know that currently Ange is alone and the family is gone, which means this is no cat box.

You can't even really say that the result of the cat box is known with 100% certainty. As shown by Ange's internal struggle to learn the truth, there exist at least 2 possibilities:
1: the family was killed in a tragic explosion accident.
2: the family was whisked away into a magical Golden Land where they lived happily ever after.

Even if there is no difference between those 2 results for most people, for Ange it means a huge difference to how she goes about living the rest of her life. Since the cat box is fully closed, she is able to make possibility #2 her own personal "truth" that nobody can take away from her... pretty much the point of the whole story imo is that the truth is whatever you want it to be. It's a rare case in storytelling where the author tells the reader that their fanfiction can be considered "canon"

>>12397547
I found her struggle to be more about wanting to know the truth, while not wanting to believe any in the family would kill anyone. I.e. she has the exact same feeling as portrayed by Battler through the episodes.

There is no cat box with her family alive, but there is a diary explaining who killed who. There is no option where her family is alive, but there is a choice between accepting family members killed each other, or Beatrice killed them with magic and brought them to the golden land.

>>12397323
Yeah, I still feel like a shit a little.
Gonna go sleep soon, I wonder what dream I will have tonight.

>>12397138
>>12397428
>>12397547
>>12397629
It doesn't even matter what you define as a catbox, when the story itself is shit. All the good characters didn't exist, their actions didn't happen and didn't matter. Ange is one of the most poorly-written and least likable characters of all time. Yet she's the one that lives. Fuck Ryukishi and fuck the apologists who still pretend Umineko is good.

>>12397843
Sweet dreams, my fellow /jp/sie.

>>12397941

the characters did exist in the story, it was just too meta for you to understand.

the meta characters were written into the story as game pieces by an 'author' character who existed at a higher level of story than the piece characters. it's like fiction-ception

>>12378124
Why not an Erika thread?

>>12398511
Because she's a fake character and nothing she did ever happened.

>>12398466
The different Rokkenjima scenarios were basically just fanfiction. All the events that happened didn't really take place. The only thing that really happened was Ange's little adventure with Amakusa. Which was shit.

>>12398989
Just like Higurashi then. Except nothing happened there, it was just all fanfiction.

>>12399062
Higurashi is where things really happened. Umineko is 98% fake and the real events that happen are shit.

>>12399062
Please don't warrant posts like these with any response. They aren't meant to be taken seriously.

>>12398511
>detective character
>wasn't able to figure out who the true culprit is

back to the abyss with you

>>12398989
Erika is real, but she just died before she interacted with anyone on Rokkenjima prime, right?

>>12398511
>detective character
>wasn't able to figure out who the true culprit is

back to the abyss with you, worthless piece

>>12400250
that's a possibility. she was never confirmed or shown outside of the boards, so if she did exist, she could be a bald fat midget hunchback.

she definitely wouldn't have blue hair though. the real characters tended to have mostly realistic hair colors.

>>12400250
Erika could have been real, but the Erika that you see (the one doing detective and magic shit) is fake. The same way the witch-defying Battler in Rokkenjima is fake. Lord Battler is not real, the wheelchair Battler at the magic ending is real though.

>>12400252
Bernkastel is fake too. Nothing she did mattered because she didn't exist.

>>12400585
Bernkastel exists in Rika's head though.

>>12400594
Exactly, she's not real.

Have there been any canon connections between Rika and Bern? Fan theories don't count

>>12400617
Saying it was all Ange's fantasy is also a fan theory, though.

>>12400636
A fan theory (Rosatrice, Shkanontrice, etc.) is different from a statement that is completely supported by the VN. Ange exists in Umineko's world, this was established. Ushiromiya family is already dead, magic is not literal magic but hope/love/truth. Witches don't exist. Lord Battler, Beato, Bern, etc. never existed. They were just filler.

>>12400656
You're the one who thinks of it as supported by the VN. It's still a fan theory unless Ryuukishi reveals the truth and it happens to coincide with his.

>>12400666
A fan theory would be saying "Rika and Bern are connected, Rosa is the culprite, Erika is real"

Something that is established and confirmed in the story is not a fan theory. Ange existing in Umineko's real world IS revealed by Ryukishi, since it's the most important thing in the story. Saying that's a fan theory is like saying Rosa isn't a virgin. You don't need Ryukishi himself to state that she isn't a virgin, since she gave birth to Maria.

When it comes to the mystery shit however, that's when you need the red truth or the author's direct confirmation. I guess you're just mad and in denial because you want Beatrice, Lambdadelta and others to exist. But they don't, and that's why Umineko is SHIT.

>>12400656
But Shkannotrice is already confirmed.
You are late a few years.

>>12400688
>I guess you're just mad and in denial because you want Beatrice, Lambdadelta and others to exist. But they don't, and that's why Umineko is SHIT.
You are probably most pathetic person I ever encountered on my whole 4chan career.
Literaly autism
>MUH FAVOURITE CHARACTERS IN VISUAL NOVEL ARE FAKE!! STORY IS SHIT!! FUCKING R07 AND HIS APOLOGISTS!

You were fun at the beginning, but you are just annoying at this point.

>>12400689
Not said in red. Not stated directly by Ryukishi.

Fan theories are shit.

>>12400696
This confirmed my post that you are mad in denial. You don't even have an argument anymore, you're just calling names and raging. Funny how all the things you said in this post apply to you instead of me.

>>12400698
You never adress anyone arguments, you just cover your ears and scream
>FAKE CHARACTERS, FAKE STORY!
>AND ANGE IS SLUT, REMEMBER!

I don't know how you can still think, that someone is even considering you a sane person, after you spammed one thread with Ange hate like a really sick person.

This kind reaction is not healthy, and I don't really care about your mental state, but you become just annoying, to the point that even Umineko haters can't agree on you.

>>12389919
And others in different threads already showed you, why your THEORY is only one of the FAN THEORIES as well because you can't state, that meta world is "fake".

You are butthurt mad at nothing, and what is worst, you cant even get over it, and continue to spam
>ANGE IS SLUT
>REMEMBER, STORY AND CHARACTERS ARE FAKE!

And I can't get over you, because I see your fucking posts in every thread, at least get a trip, so I can just ignore you

>>12400718
Still raging and spewing incoherent nonsense. Please keep going.

Also, nice job ignoring me. I love how ignoring to you means reading everything I type, crying about it and constantly replying everytime anyway. What a tsundrora.

>>12400724
You forget to mention, that Ange is slut and characters are fake.

>>12400740
We all know Umineko is shit. I don't even need to say it anymore. The only apologists left are one or two people and even they know they're in denial.

>>12400740
>Ange is slut
so what? so is battler, but i don't see anyone going mad about him not being a pure virgin.

>>12392603
>The only real characters are Ange, Amakusa, Kasumi, Okonogi, etc. The ones in the present day after the Rokkenjima massacre.

Not even, hell, to a certain degree, I would argue that you can't even rely on that.
Case in point would be ep 4. Ange dies.

Events after the island disaster is not enough to be sure they are real.

In ep 6, after Ange finished talking to Ikuko, she says ''stop using me in your stories'' implying that the previous stories, aka ep 4-5 were fake. This could imply her involvement into the plot but it could also mean that Ikuko wrote stories about what is going on off the island.

The truth end is very similar to the ep 4 ending too.
A good way of knowing which event in the present that isn't fake or fictional is when there is meta characters around Ange.

Ep 4 is full of the sisters around Ange.
Truth end is not real because Erika is there.
Ep 6, for the most part, didn't happen but the discussion with Ikuko happened since she can go beyond the meta and is an actual person.

Hell, we can't even be sure that Eva is even alive or survived because of this. Other than when Eva dies, no one actually talks about Eva being alive. They always mention her diary but never one she left after her death.

Ange could just be alone and Eva being alive might just be fiction created as an after story of ep 3.

Okonogi actually referencing without love it cannot be seen can also be referred to as an avatar figure by Ikuko.

So yeah, even the real characters aren't safe from fanfics.

>>12400778
The Battler you've been reading about is fake. '

The only real Battler is in the magic ending and he is just boring and shitty.

>>12400783
any battler. the one in stories was a player, the real world one with ikuko, and i bet ikuko pleasured him more than once, magical fairy battler with his beatrice familiar, who he definitely molested off camera, etc.

>>12400792
so random! what a wacky and quirky statement! haha so fahnnee

>>12400779
>Ange dies

That was Ange in the world with magic and witches right? Fake.

>Ange could just be alone

By your logic Okonogi and his statement could be fanfiction too. Eva and Ange were established to exist in present day. It's not like the magic world where there are blue and red truths, witches that could manipulate life and death, etc.

>>12400838
Can we just discus something useful.
Like how did Okonogi get so high in status after Higurashi?

>>12400970
Okonogi is a good man. I'm sure he worked hard to get where he was.

>>12400838
>That was Ange in the world with magic and witches right?
Yes, fake, right after she jumps.

Funny enough, in the magic end, it goes back to where she's about to jump. This could mean that everything after the jump never actually happened.

>By your logic Okonogi and his statement could be fanfiction too.
That's what I'm implying. Okonogi saying Eva didn't do it, him talking about love, him talking about how people see facts differently which is a major theme in Umineko.

He's a complete mouthpiece.

>>12400970
Okonogi was working for Tokyo.
He's a man for hired. It's likely he never got crap for the events in Hinamizawa considering Takano got all the blame. Also assuming this is the kakera where Rika won.

Maybe Nomura owes him a favor, who knows.

>>12401005
Okonogi isn't in the world with witches, red truths, blue truths, all that shit. There's no reason for him to be fake or for Ange to just imagine him.

>>12401074
Could you please stop thinking your shitty fan fiction is the truth?

>>12401083
Your rage is making you stupid, anon. The guy who thinks Okonogi might be fake is >>12401005 not me.

This is Ange-level of retardation.

Be friendly.
Stop trolling.
Have an Ange.

>>12401074
>There's no reason for him to be fake
Sure there is.
Ikuko/Tohya want to give a message to Ange about giving up.
They just start being more explicit by the end of ep 8

And with Ange telling Ikuko not to use her in her stories, it's logical to assume that the world of witches, ep 4, where we see Okonogi telling all this mouthpiece info, is a possibility concerning the future events as being fanfics, which is also in the world of witches.

>>12401195
Why she is not wearing pants

>>12401286
she is a girl, so she wears a skirt, and due to being a japanese girl it's a lewd miniskirt.

you know those wacky japs.

>>12401286
maybe Battlers fault, considering his chatter with Maria in episode 1.

>>12401296
still you have to wonder how Jessica could get her getup past Natsuhi.

>>12401302
She isn't even wearing a bra.

>>12401380
>>12401430
we never saw jessica in the post-death scenarios, only in forgeries written by ikuko/etc.

maybe they didn't like jessica and wrote her to dress that way to imply she was secretly a dirty slut.

>>12401440
wouldn't make sense, she clearly didn't behave like one. She actually seemed to be quite unsure when it comes to boys.
And Ange COULD have found out about her character simply by asking former classmates of Jessica

>>12401209
Ikuko has nothing to do with Okonogi. You're just making things up now since you have no real evidence to back anything up.

>it's logical to assume that the world of witches

There is nothing logical in the world of witches. Even red truths don't mean anything in that fake world as shown by Ange.

>>12401296
>>12401302
>>12401430
>>12401440
>>12401499
>"Hey guys lets go off topic and talk about waifus and lewd because the story is shit XD"

At least you tried.

>>12401535
i'm not the ange guy, and i guess neither are a few other people, looking at all the posts you quoted i can see at least 3 different posting habits there.

don't be so paranoid.

>>12401556
>I'm not the ange guy

When did I say you were?

>>12401564
it sounded like you did.

also tried what? i talked about seacats, so it's on topic. the topic is seacats/general. if i wanted to go off topic i'd bring up 2hu or something else.

>>12401586
>it sounded like you did

how? You need to learn how to read. Don't be a retard like Ange.

By off-topic I meant leaving the discussion about the story to do some waifufagging.

what was the point of all these fake characters?

>>12401594
i never tried to discuss it, i don't really care about the story anymore. just replied to one post with a crappy joke.

besides, this is a seacats general though, so all seacats related discussion is to be contained in here rather than spill into 20 different threads.

there's no single topic in a general.

>>12401606
You clearly can't get over your autism.
I wonder if someone is just copying you, and first "ange anon" just forget about this VN already and is doing something else.

>>12401535
I always thought this was a Umineko thread. This means we talk about anything Umineko here. However, noone will prevent you from opening a "i hate Ange"- thread. At least, i will not. Promised.

>>12401616
No, and stop calling me ange anon. That bitch ruined a VN I actually was going to like.

>>12401619
see
>>12401594

Read bottom sentence.

>>12401608
Finally the apologist admits he doesn't care about story. If you just wanted waifus and wacky shit why even get into Umineko? Almost any series out there have better waifus.

>>12401627
90 % of story discussions end with a certain person claiming that person X never existed and Ange just imagined all that.

>>12401663

everyone is a tulpa of the game master, who are tulpas of Ange, who is a tulpa of Ikuko, who is a tulpa of god... etc...

>>12401663
>>12401678
Because that's what happened in the story?

>>12401642
looks like you can't read either. you missed the anymore part.

the series ended a few years ago, so i moved on to different things. i just look into the threads sometimes, but i no longer care for who did what.

all that's left after the story ended and started to rot away are the waifus.

>>12401684

it's not wrong to say that the characters are fake, it's just completely missing the point of the story, to put so much importance on the game's solution and act as if nothing else matters.

>>12401694
It doesn't matter because I was right. You don't care about the story. If you want to talk about waifus why Umineko?

>>12401707
If those things actually happened then they would have actually mattered. But no, instead we get Ange's boring adventure as the real story. I just hate cop-outs and lazy writing.

>>12401719
Why creating meta world that you choose to not accept is lazy writing?

Also there was never any Ange adventure to begin with, going by your standards of "fake scenes".
Because magic ending is starting, when EP3 ???? ended and she never jumped.

>>12401711
after one gets tired of the story, the characters still remain.

it's not like you go "oh, the story's over. fuck reimu, fuck marisa, i don't care about them anymore until zun releases another game" or something. the story gets boring, but character designs remain as they were. if you found them attractive, you won't suddenly find them repulsive or boring after you're done with the storyline.

btw. none of the posts you quoted had anything related to any waifus, no love for them, no desire to fuck them, nothing. just people making fun of jessica.

you seem to be grasping at straws.

>>12401719
Okay, that's your opinion and i'm fine with that. Just, if you don't like the story as it is, why are you still in Umineko threads. Why don't you read another story that you like better?

>>12401724
>>12401769
Because the meta world, magic world and all that shit was completely worthless in the end. Everything is just so inconsistent and there is no pay-off in finishing all the episodes. Basically what we got was Ange imagining shit and then realizing some things about her family.

All the good characters didn't exist. None of what happened earlier matters. It doesn't help that Ange's journey is complete garbage.

>>12401729
Of course you were waifufagging. Just look at the thread. I'm the only one that's not talking about waifus and panties, trap, lewd shit. You guys know that the story is shit so all you can do is talk about the girls.

It's the only thing apologists can do to pretend that Umineko is good.

>>12401884
But these are good things about Umineko. The story is whatever.

>>12401890
>the story, the most important part is whatever

Stop being in denial and just say it's shit already.

So what are these "good" things about Umineko?

>>12401884
But I think that story is good and fun.
What now?

You will tell me, how I had artificial fun?

>>12401903
Waifus.

Bernkastel is so cute. I never knew she had a tail

>>12401906
Anything can be fun. Taking a walk could be fun. Just don't pretend fun=/= good.

As long as you admit that the writing is complete shit and don't pretend it's an epic masterpiece then you're fine.

>>12401911
Because of the story, I can't like Ange anymore.

But I really do love Rosa.

>>12401914
She only said Nipah once.

>>12401921
But writing is not shit.
And I think that story is good.
Your only argument ever is "characters are fake and Ange is slut".
And it's not even argument, it's only your interpretation of the story, that you are trying to force on everyone.

>>12401932
The writing is inconsistent, even most of the people defending this agree that the later episodes are completely pathetic. Ryukishi is good at setting things up, introducing new concepts, putting characters in interesting and thought-provoking situations but he never really delivers. He's good at making you think and wait for something, but he never gives you that something.

Many main characters didn't get fleshed out, some have no character development whatsoever. Like I said, inconsistent. The writer wanted a big cast right? Then he should have been prepared to write more and plan out his story. Say what you want about Higurashi, at least all the main characters were fully developed and were likable in some way. I can't say the same about Umineko.

The arcs always begin with something mysterious but the thing is, they always turn to shit in the end. So many cop-outs, asspulls, contradictions and bullshit moments that I can't ignore. Also throwing in some random philosophical/2deep4u bullshit all over the place to make it look "intellectual" was really forced and annoying. This is when Ryukishi gets really obnoxious. He is preaching about the most generic shit ever, yet he thinks he's being deep.

It doesn't matter if you make an exciting beginning if the middle and end are shit. Yes, the mysteries and events during the beginning of episodes can be compelling. But what's the point if everything afterward is shit (and didn't even really take place?)

The whole thing was building up to Ange loving her family but at the cost of sacrificing everything before it. It wasn't worth it. The moral is cliche and have been so many times and Ange as a character is just trash. You can talk about chess and reference all these mystery genre shit, doesn't make your story good. In the hands of a great writer, this could have been good.

>>12401987
>The arcs always begin with something mysterious but the thing is, they always turn to shit in the end. So many cop-outs, asspulls, contradictions and bullshit moments that I can't ignore. Also throwing in some random philosophical/2deep4u bullshit all over the place to make it look "intellectual" was really forced and annoying. This is when Ryukishi gets really obnoxious. He is preaching about the most generic shit ever, yet he thinks he's being deep.

So that's what this is all about. You admit that you didn't understand what the author was going for... Well, some of us DID understand it and were very satisfied with how it was executed. Under who's authority are you to say that your interpretation is right and ours is wrong?

>>12402026
He literally thinks he's right based on his own interpretations of the title.

>>12402026
>>12402070
I only look at the canon material from the vn. I don't know much about your fan theories or the manga/anime.

I understood what the author was going for, everyone did. He just couldn't execute it right. If he was a more skilled writer Umineko could have easily been great in its own right.

>>12402091
You look at the canon material, and thus make your own judgements of it. Said judgements are not truths, but interpretations, which in turn aren't any different from fan theories.

We've had too many threads full of arguing and shitposting with goats. Lets get back to important matters.

What color are Maria's panties? I bet think that they are white with a pink heart design and a bow. They are meant to be cute, but end up being slightly lewd because Rosa is a lewd woman. Much like her family meeting outfit that added secondary sexual features to her undeveloped body, her panties have been getting lewder over the years because Rosa's company is a flop and she has taken to designing lewd loli cloths for U-12 junior idol producers, and though she denies that she would ever put Maria in that situation, deep down she knows that she has no ideological objections to whoring out her daughter. After all, she'd suffered much worse than that. So Maria wears lewd silk panties with pink hearts on them and a little bow, just large enough so that you might want to give it a little tug, as if unwrapping a present, while she sits alone at night with a stuffed animal to her bare chest, wondering why her mother never comes home.

>>12402091
Canon material in the VN is "Present day, family is dead, Eva is sick, Ange jumps off a roof" the end.

Everything else is fan theories based on how to interpret the story.

>>12403130
Yes, I've only read the vn. So anything outside that, I could be getting wrong.

Still, the story is what it is. None of the fan theories I've seen here are confirmed in red or stated directly by the author. So those are meaningless.

>>12402130
Fan theories are the "Rosatrice, shkanontrice" shit. The answers to the mysteries need to be completely confirmed. As for Ange in the real world, there are no red and blue truths there. They're outside of the catbox, away from all that pretentious magic crap. It's not just an interpretation, it's fact. The only people that would deny this are the ones trying to pretend witches and kakeras were real. I also would prefer it if Ange wasn't the focus of the story. But fanfiction won't change what was already written.

>>12401884
you seem to be incapable of understanding what's said to you, so i'll have to explain it to you in small words.

i used to like the story in the past, back when it was still being released and translated. but in the end, the thing ended and i moved on to different stories. you can't dwell on the same story for 10+ years.

characters are a different thing. stories come and go, but characters remain afterwards. no matter how interesting a story is, after a year or two of finishing it you'll leave it behind, and the only thing still drawing you back to seacats will be new materials of the characters you like.

Even if - and i say IF - Ange just imagined the story, the characters should be somewhat like the real ones were when alive.
She met them before, and she could have asked relatives, friends, classmates and so on. So they wont completely "out of character".

how to disprove/prove the ShKanontrice theory.

>>12403457
>prove
It's confirmed by manga and sugested interviews
>disprove
you can't

>>12403457
>mfw replaying Umineko with shkanotrice in mind
well, R07 had a lot of fun with this for sure

So it looks like people can't take a hint about one dude's shitposting, and at this rate if we want any decent threads past this point we need to put that list from the last thread in the fucking OP.

Let's try to not have to do that. Instead let's speculate about things that could've happened in the story instead of bitching back and forth about whether or not any of it happened in someone's head. By now it should be obvious to everyone what bait posts look like just by the wording, so kindly ignore them.

For example, who does everyone think Yasu's two accomplices were in Rokkenjima Prime, aka Ep7's Tea Party but slightly more reliable?

Okay guys!
How the fuck do you explain Battler's closed room at the end of episode 6?
Please don't give me "Kanon escaped the closet with magic" because it doesn't make any sense.
I'm re-reading the whole story so I know about Yasu and all that shit but it still doesn't make any sense. Help

>>12403956
He ceased to be Kanon at that point in time. You do know he can switch character at will.

>>12403966
Wow...
I have never thought about it that way.
This shit gets more and more abstract with each episode.

>>12403986
It's also worth noting that in the context of EP6 Battler went into that closed room more or less completely on purpose. Make of that what you will.

>>12403966
so it was basically enter room, see kanon, kanon goes "i'm not kanon anymore. i killed that personality, now i'm shannon. you entered too soon, i didn't have enough time to put on my skirt and pads"

>>12403956
Kanon is Shannon and he can switch or cease personalities

>>12403999
>>12404000
Pretty much.
Same way he beat the logic error earlier by escaping the windows as Kanon when it was Shannon in the room.
Pretty much why everyone hated the whole franchise once Yasu was introduce.

>>12404000
I always wondered how long this roleplay would have succeeded if there would have be no killing.
With Jessica and George coming closer the situation would have grown more and more difficult.
And even small things would someday have been difficult. For example, i could imagine that finally somebody would have asked why Kanon doesn't get a beard.

>>12403944
It depends entirely on what Yasu's plan actually was for Rokkenjima Prime. Probably one of the most interesting things about Confession of the Golden Witch is that even if only just barely it entertains the possibility that something along the lines of 'EP6 game in EP7 tea party' actually happened, where Battler is basically told everything by Shannon and wanted to make a game to prove he understood her without killing everyone.

If that's is actually the case, and if the manga is supposed to suggest that we're supposed to take everything in the EP7 Tea Party from Eva's perspective as fact (if, and only if, so don't take this as me saying 'this is exactly what happened 100% for sure') then it's very possible that the miraculous solving that Eva more or less pulled off by herself in EP7 wasn't miraculous at all, and that she was given the solution by Yasu beforehand so finding the gold would always be possible before midnight. Yasu being down in the gold room already was always a little suspicious, she even took Kinzo's rifles with her and everything like she was anticipating them showing up right from the start.

Even if Eva didn't know about the bomb she could definitely be on Team Yasu in this context , since there's no way Yasu would've trusted her with that much information anyway. Just like how if Rudolph and Kyrie were actually planning on killing people with someone else before learning about the bomb there's no reason why they wouldn't have turned on them after learning about it.

>>12404022
That is why Battler comes to the worst possible year.

One year before, Yasu would go with Battler because of old love, Shannon and Kanon would dissapear.

One year later, Shannon would be George fiancee and Kanon would would dissapear.

Well in any scenario Kanon and Jessica haven't chance imo.

>>12404022
EP6 was basically how Ryukishi touched on this. Ultimately only one of them was going to be able to keep pursuing their designs, and at least according to EP6 it was going to be Shannon no matter what. Kanon might not have necessarily had to die, but could've just disappeared forever or something.

Funny thing is, that in the 1EP Battler already was thinking who Beatrice is, and he come to an idea, that she must be another person, and at the same time, she can't.

So number of people would be 18<x<19

He was close.

I hope you all know, that George is fatass who is responsible for everything, because he stole letter from Battler.

>>12404043
Funnily enough Ryu claims that isn't the only possibility, but fuck it George is a colossal faggot, of course he hid the letter and doomed everyone.

He even gave that little 'well maybe Battler won't ever come back' speech afterward. The dude was a prick.

>>12404035
But even the disappearing would have been difficult for Yasu. At least to make it in a way that doesn't leave back a heartbroken Jessica, and i don't think Yasu would have wanted this. They were friends, after all.
So Yasu would have to find a "gentle" way to dissolve the Kanon/Jessica ties before Kanon "dissapperared."
Also, she would have to teach George the truth somehow, at leat to the extent that covers her not being able to have children and this, else their relationship probably would not last.
In short, Yasu would have to act extremely careful, else she would completely crash the relations to George AND Jessica.

>>12402960
White cotton. Rosa is pure.

>>12404051
The thing is Jessica was only really friends with Shannon, more than she was friends with Yasu. And if we're to take Beato's poor treatment of Kanon in EP2 as any indication of how Yasu personally felt about him since she wrote that one, she wouldn't care too terribly about what happens to his relationship with Jessica. Granted in EP3 things are a little different, but Yasu's POV had no influence on EP3 anyway.

But if she does somehow care enough, they probably could've worked something out if Kanon were just to say goodbye to her or something.

As for George, it's fairly obvious that their relationship wasn't going to last very long anyway, especially since Yasu can't have kids and George lies to her fairly consistently about wanting to spend his life with her anyway. In a way, George is a little like a male version of Kyrie, at least when it comes to some of their values.

>>12404079
But Kyrie WANTED to spent her life with Rudolf. Probably more then everything else. She may or may not have cared much for Battler and Ange, but she definately did for Rudolf.

>>12404087
That's definitely true, that's why I said 'some' of their values. George and Kyrie both see having children as a device for their own personal use. For George it didn't really matter who he had kids with as long as it was someone he perceived as an ideal woman regardless of who they actually were inside.

>>12404028
I think it is important to consider opportunities. For example, would Kyrie accept a phone call stating "Please help me kill the family, I'll give you money". It pretty much would have to be something discussed seriously face to face. The family only gathered once a year on the island, so Yasu only had about 1-3 days per year to discuss something as serious as this with most people, but the entire year to talk to Krauss and Natsuhi and Jessica.

Then there is planning. Krauss, Natsuhi and Jessica could practice and go through what to do in the mansion. All other family members would have to be told to simply "do what I say" or "just kill them randomly, I'm paying you".

Overall it is 99% certain it was Krauss and Natsuhi as helpers. But there is room to claim things like "Yasu always met with Eva after dating George and planned the whole thing".

>>12404101
Because Shannon never led the island of course. It sure was lucky that crazy old Kinzo built that aquarium so she could date George at and that high school she could go here Tsurupettan right there on the island. As a slave, she would naturally never be given days off, and even if she were, she would never be asked to leave, and there is absolutely no way that perhaps Genji could be sent to discuss the matter.

>>12404101
The family only meets together once a year, but at least on the culprit side there's nothing that suggests that certain members of the family didn't meet privately before that. We don't really know anything about what Kyrie and Rudolph were doing prior to 1986 so they had all the time in the world to work something out, even if they didn't have access to their crime scene. Whether or not it would've worked is another story entirely.

It definitely makes sense for Krauss and Natsuhi to be the accomplices for Yasu's plan to kill everyone, especially since Battler wouldn't be involved at all in the usual case since that's the whole point of Yasu's game. And yeah, there's definitely room to suggest that Eva could've been enlisted during the time when Shannon was seeing George.

But in EP7's Tea Party it at least seems like the typical Team Yasu plan is not what was intended at all. Battler being involved and the whole thing being like EP6 is based pretty much entirely on a single page of the Confession manga, and how Tohya chooses to write a game like EP6 right after getting his memories back, but if it came to anything else but the epitaph murders there's no telling how much planning would've been needed.

So, why did this bastard want to kill everyone in the first place? Because Battler couldn't keep his "I'll be back for you on a white horse" promise?
That's bullshit. Couldn't Ryukishi think of a better 'why dunnit'?

>>12404205
Yasu was never really a convincing villain to begin with. Ryu tries a little harder in Confession, but in the end it mostly revolves around how she was already completely fucked when she first met Battler and from her perspective what Battler basically saw as a boy's first love kind of thing was a much bigger deal to her.

Of course Yasu never kills anyone. She very consistently claims that she was 100%, definitely going to but we really don't know if she gave up anyway since all of her perspectives come from some time before the killing has to start.

>>12404213
>Of course Yasu never kills anyone
Except she did every time without fail. The bomb can be directly be pinned onto her.

>>12404216
Not as far as Prime, where Kyrie and Rudolph are in direct control of the bomb. Yasu pulls off her plan in all the other pre-Tohya games because she either wrote those herself or they were written with the same structure as the ones she wrote.

Anyone got more "Umineko episode X in a nutshell" pictures like this?

>>12404126
Just that Krauss has the least to win, he is the firstborn. He will be the future head of family, why bother to kill his siblings?

So does anyone else see any similarities between Erika and Rosa? Both of them had relationship problems, but aside from how Rosa very clearly blames Maria for them we really don't have any real context for why Rosa's relationships never work out.

That and both of them are very submissive (Rosa to her siblings, Erika to Bernkastel) until they're given power over someone else (Rosa to Maria/Eva in EP7, Erika to the Jungfrau).

>>12404287
Because his father was actually dead and he'd driven the family into the ground. If he'd known about the bomb like Kinzo did he probably would've blown himself up awhile ago, but without that knowledge killing the rest of his family and taking whatever money he could get out of that was basically his only option.

>>12404302
There's still a shitload of gold.

>>12404302
To expand on this, actually being the head of the family meant absolutely nothing, especially if his siblings already knew that their father never gave him the right to begin with (since that right had already gone to Yasu) and if the family was essentially out of money anyway. Krauss might not gain a whole lot but even if Yasu's plan worked as intended and he somehow survived to collect some insurance or something he'd have something (he claims to have connections that could convert the gold in EP7, but chances were he was bluffing given how no one in the business world would take him seriously if he invested in scams so often), but even then he'd eventually drive himself into a ditch again soon enough anyway.

Ultimately he was going to get killed in the bomb blast anyway, though. It's just he had no clue the bomb was there.

>>12404292
Maria was born and thr father took Rosas money and fled. His discussion about that maria frightened another guy. Well that was said official in the VN but rosas conflict with the money was manipulated by someone. They wanted it happen

>>12404205
Let's start with the fact, that thanks to Kinzo he is fruit of heavy incest so he can be not a healthy person to begin with because of this.

Thanks to Natsuhi he fell from cliff and almost died, survivied with heavy damage.
It's not confrimed (am I right?) but Yasu was probably a boy, he damaged his genitals after accident, and was raised as a girl instead (wow Nanjo and and Genji, such genius idea).

Maybe after this accident he damaged his brain as well, and that is where tendency for multiple personalities were born.

Well, for me he had a really shitty life. Also was heavy bullied by co-workers and Natsuhi.
Battler was kind to him and promised, that they will live together. He sticked to this and after all it turned out, to be a silly kiddy promise that he quickly forget about.

>>12404364
Yasu's gender is never outright stated, but is visualized enough in Confession and implied enough by things like Shannon winning in EP6 and Shannon's personality being Yasu's ideal form that we can call her a girl more accurately than we can call her a boy.

Yasu's injury that gave her a body that was unable to love/bare children does not imply external damage, and Ryu himself has said so - the point is that it can go either way.

Funny thing: in the 3ep, during red truth web scene Evatrice denied existance of other living things on the island, so Battler won't say, that Nanjo was killed by trained orangutan.

And that was reference to actual mystery novel, about murder in the closed room, when it turnet out, that trained orangutan climbed building and entered through the window on high floor and killed the victim.

>>12404372
I'd assume the male Yasu theory comes off male voice on phone (though you've all seen people fake deep voices on phone calls) as well as it being easier to be flat and attach fake breasts, than to bind breasts flat (which if we say Yasu has damaged her chest might be a moot point).

I also do not remember when Yasu complained about his body. If it was AFTER finding the gold and truth, it could just be related to incest being a bad option.

wait if Yasu is a male, how does that explain Lion's gender?

>>12404774
But no one knows, what gender is Lion

>>12386906
Yes he is

>>12404235
How did Ep7 end again?
Eva hiding
Yasu and Battler escaping on a sub titanic style.
Did Kyrie and Rudolph blew themselves up if they are in direct control of the bomb?

>>12405684
Eva killed them.
One of the guns was broken to the some degree, thats why Yasu and Eva survived

It just struck me that Umineko is like Star Wars ep3. Anakin going insane over "love" and deciding to kill everyone is how R07 wants to describe Yasu.

Even knowing the poor plot has been used before, I still can't relate to loving so much you want to kill everything.

>>12406648
I think that whole story would be better, if Yasu only wanted to commit fake murder mystery by bribing others to play along.

This way he would "greet" Battler back and punish him a little for forgetting about his promise.

But halfway through this something would goes bad, and real murders start.
Or maybe someone would look through Yasu plan and want to use this to hide his real murders and whole blame would go to Yasu.

Even bomb can be added to this, for example Yasu fell, that something can goes bad with his plan and armed bomb with a intent to disarm it, if everything goes ok.

>>12406719
Isn't it possible that this actually happened?

>>12406719
>>12406743

I like to believe that's what actually happened. Yasu's plan only involved using the money to bribe fake deaths, but one of the adults/accomplices decides to make use of it for actual murder.

If we want to justify all the claims that "Yasu was actually ready to kill!" or whatever other things ryukishi has said to make them an evil villain, maybe they only wanted to kill with the bomb. As in, fabricate a fake murder story for Battler: if he can solve it, or solve the epitaph, and remember the promise, then all is fine. If someone else solves the epitaph, that's fine too. If none of that happens, Yasu blows the island up.

I can't see any holes in this explanation, and it makes Yasu a little more understandable in my eyes. Fake deaths have been a proposed idea in many episodes, and are a major plot point of Episode 5, so it's not like this is something we randomly came up with.

Can anyone point out any inconsistency in this?

The story has too many plot holes.

For example, the sent money to relatives (or if it was the employees/family themselves), seem to hint at some kind of "I'll pay you to do this" which would fit with either accomplishes in killing or a fake mystery.

Meanwhile we have 2 bottled messages with stories written to be read. The stories are moot for explaining how to perform a fake mystery, and moot as killing plans. They only work as a challenge of Battler trying to solve them.

So there are really 3 valid theories. Fake mystery, reading session or grand murder plan. One of these three happened and Yasu was at the center.

>>12384900
Still very cute

>>12407017

So, what actually happened during episode three, four and five?
Could any of you present it the way it is done at the umineko wiki with first and second episode?

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Legend_of_the_Golden_Witch/Truth
http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/Turn_of_the_Golden_Witch/Truth

>>12378124
So, which is it?

>>12408357
It's not really very magical nor tricky to close your hand, wave it around, and open it again, only to find that nothing about the contents of the hand had changed at all.

>>12408357
Trick ending the best

>>12408495
And Erika a shit.

>>12408357
I just finished the game after selecting magic, should I go right to trying out the Trick option, or let it sit for awhile? I get the feeling it might change everything and leave a bad taste,

whys this getting generals all of a sudden? did I miss some announcement?

>>12408754
Trich is some sort of bad ending.
It's very short

>>12408762
When they Cry 3. In space, nobody can hear you Mii

>>12408767
I want to get everything I can, but it just feels like it would be a serious bummer after all those Welcome Backs and nice feelings.

>>12408411
Misdirection my friend. Also, you may have missed the point.

>>12408768
Wouldn't it be When they cry 5? I mean, technically, the second parts of Higurashi and Umineko count as separate games,

>>12408762
There has been threads almost constantly since it began. Only recently were they called generals though. Before it was just announced to be an umineko thread, a theory post, or a flame bait snark about how X was the best seacat and true main character that kicked off the thread.

So was it only in the manga that it was made clear that Shannon and Kanon were the same person ? Because I must have missed that one in the sound novels.

>>12408779
If you haven't already gotten it over with, don't worry, it's only a couple of minutes and shows Ange losing it at the boat. Nothing that really changes the story in any significant way.

>>12408902
It is. He's wrong.

>>12409175
Nothing was said clear in vn, but this was suggested so much, that you just can't more.

Especially in 6 and 7 ep.
In 7ep Will even asked Shannon, to come with Kanon together, because he need to ask something them, and Sannon gets BSOD after this and refused.

>>12410494

>>12409175
It was suggested like crazy prior, but no, Ryu did not say "Kanon is Shannon" in red until the manga. Unfortunately doing so didn't stop any of the debate about the topic because tons of people think the manga isn't canon even though Ryu wrote it himself.

>>12410814
That was said in red in the manga?
Any scans?
Would be good to use versus these annoying Rosatrice faggots

>>12411290
Lambda says it in the EP8 manga, along with the "when Shannon dies, Kanon goes eternally missing" line that was already in red. if you can find that part of the manga it should be there.

>>12408754
Which ending you choose doesn't really change anything. It is what you truly believe that matters. I personally am hesitant to discover the truth of what happened on Rokkenjima, because I do not wish to destroy the golden land.

No matter what you choose, you don't get to see what happens what happens to everyone after ANGE leaves, so she can believe in her heart that they are still alive in the golden land. To me this is the most important of the seals on the cat-box, and I wish to respect it.

Wow it's like Higurashi but with more autism!

Did Ange ever study posterior probability?

>>12415196
is that like big asses

>>12415196
Hopefully not, because the Monty hall problem is just academic circlejerking.

I have serious and important question.

What would it taste like if you licked the thin, sensetive skin at the back of rosas knees.

>>12422594
Like child abuse and unbridled ambition.

>>12422594
I would marry Rosa and secretly fuck Maria too.
I will told her, that I am witch or something and I need to do this to keep my form in this world.

I hope that she will believe this magic bullshit whole life so I would be covered.

I had another dream involving Umineko this week. The main theme was me feeling different from my co-workers since I'm more interested in VNs than sports, but I was also playing Umineko in it. In the dream, though, EP 5 was all about Rosatrice instead of Natsuhi. It was just like this picture.

>>12425220
Do NOT fuck your step-daughter, dude!

http://exhentai.org/tag/group%3Akanden+shoujo+chuuihou
How many months do I have to wait?

I just finished this and thought it was a marvelous ride, a ton of my thoughts are still jumbled and I'm still confused. I used to just skim these generals out of interest and I saw a lot of culprit theory pictures/pasta, but never bothered to save them since I hadn't finished the game yet. Would a kind anon post them?

>>12428282
Shannon is Kanon
And Beatrice too

Battler fucked up, promised her that he will be back, and forget about this. George probably hid letter from Batttler too.

Rudolf and Kyrie are culprits in real Rokkenjima.
Shkannon is culprit in forgeries.

>>12428857

Shannon is Kanon
And Beatrice too

Battler fucked up, promised her that he will be back, and forget about this. George probably hid letter from Batttler too.

Rudolf and Kyrie are culprits in real Rokkenjima.
Shkannon is culprit in forgeries.

>>12429814
I think it is hard to tell it is Rudolf and Kyrie. The red about what really happened could have just been about how they got into a fight over the gold, not necessarily who did what.

Some like to claim Ange read the truth and didn't like what she read so it had to be Rudolf and Kyrie. But then, would Ange have shouted "Fuck yes!" if the content had said Eva killed them? I think what Ange hoped to read was that there was a 19th person on the island that killed everyone she liked.

After all, it was 8 episodes of "I don't want to believe any friend of mine would do this!".

>>12428857
Rosa is Bice's daughter, and Maria is the retarded incest rape baby who gets the gold. Kinzo played with her on the island and told her about the gold and the bomb. And he also raped her again. Maria had a hard life as furniture.

Also, Battler isn't real. He's fantasy like Kinzo. He was Ange's imaginary friend, but Maria brought him along and killed him too. Maria is the detective, and just like in Chiru, just because the detective is present, does not mean that the scene as presented by the narrative is factual when not from the detective's direct POV.

>>12429922
She was blaming Eva whole time anyway, it would be "eh, so I was right".
But she was literally suicidal after seeing the truth, it must be Rudolf and Kyrie.

Also manga version of 8ep confirmed this.

>>12429814
As much as the Shkannon theory has convincing evidence, I still find it ridiculous to believe. (Dang, I guess I'm like Ange) So does that mean in the forgeries, Shannon/Kanon were the culprits? So all of Beatrice's appearances were just an illusion of storytelling or the storyteller's description?

What about when Kanon was dicking around with his wound and Shannon wrecked him with spiderwebs in EP1? IS Shkannon just an accepted illusion among the servants just like Kinzo's death?

>>12430214
>Rule Y: Lies agreed on by everyone can be depicted as actually happening.

>>12428857

>>12430214

I find it hard to draw the line as well. Should probably have read more mystery novels so I was aware of the general standards.

As I see it, the stories may just have been written from the detective's view, which means all the shown scenes without the detective is actually just meta parts told by the meta beatrice as addendum to the original stories.

But it is also possible all on the game board is in the story. But it would become a little confusing to understand Beatrice involvement with for example Evatrice if we kept those parts and removed the meta.

Ein!

>>12430901

People sure are desperate to come up with solutions.

>>12428857

After a year or so, re-read it.

I've already played through all Umineko episodes twice, and it's amazing how many little details and clues I caught the second time. I'm about ready for my third replay, and I'll still find more.

>>12430901
Amakusa took Battler's place on the island. No one except Rudolf and Kyrie would know since Battler had split. Notice how the cousins kept mentioning how muscular he had gotten when he was so lanky when he left? That's because he was actually a soldier hired by Kyrie through mafia connections to the Yamainu. He is sent by Kyrie to find the gold and kill any opposition, but his old commander calls him up tells him to kill everyone and the Yamainu would be waiting off the coast to move in and take the gold when he found it.

When Battler 'dies', it is Amakusa breaking his role to find the gold. He forced Yasu to lead him to it, but when he leaves to go call his men, the island explodes.

Okonogi formulates a new plan. He moves in as one of Hideyoshi's partners and starts usurping Eva, who is prevented from talking and is later assassinated.

The Yamainu find the real Battler and fuck him up, but leave him pretty badly braib damaged. Ikuko finds him, and through her obsession as a witch hunter, convinces him that he was there once he regains his true memories.

Meanwhile, problems develop with the Yakuza, and Okonogi decides to kill both birds with one stone by having Amakusa kill Ange and frame the Sumadera family.

>>12431852
Is it really worth it to reread it? That's like 85-100 hours worth of reading. My first playthrough took about 6 months during school to finish it.

>>12395945
I bet she has a dick :^)

>>12432387
The whole of Umineko is twice as many words as War & Peace.

>>12432387
you must be shitty at reading

>>12431873
But Amalysa can't even beat up a little girl.

>>12431873
What would Okonogi win if he kills Ange? He is not her heir, her business parts would go to other peolple.

>>12433226
Looks like Battler, George and Jessica each lost a round of strip poker each...

>>12437068
She would stop going around telling people that she's going to dump the stock and donate the money to charity. That's bad for shareholder confidence and employee morale. Besides that, the money would go to the Sumaderas. They just want the money and Kyrie's psycho sister dead, so Okonogi will be able to keep the leadership, which is all he wants.

He'll probably end up diluting their shares or something.

Submit to the truth.

>>12437475
Magical Gohda chief.

Isn't Featherine suppose to be all-knowing? But what with Rudolph's explanation in episode 8? Or is she just pretending all-along?

>>12438241
Sometimes people ask rhetorical questions like that when they're challenging someone else with a puzzle.

He's the culprit.

I want to sniff and lick erika's pantyhose then make love to her 24/7

There is this story I'm looking for. A female character said something like 'I can't compete against a dead person. If she was alive, I could say that I love him more' or something along that line. I'm not sure if she said this to the male in question, herself or another person.

At first I thought Kyrie said it in episode 6 but she didn't. I don't remember wheter it is from anime, manga or a hentai plot. Have you guys heard something similiar?

>>12403966
theres another explanation where he was just dead so technically didnt exist there
iirc they didn't look for his corpse

>>12438625
We all do.

>>12439953
Then how he escaped sealed room before

What's the deal with the 8th game?
Is that really the truth that Ange didn't know because she was always too young to remember anything how Rokkenjima family conferences play out?

In which order should I watch ep8?

>>12442421
I'm not quite sure I understand the question.

You should just get the game and play that.

>>12442513
But I don't have a PS3.

>>12442544
stole one

>>12442544
It's on the PC.

>>12442029
The point was it could have been the truth. And from how Battler talked it about it, at least some of it was true.

>>12442544
Me again. I decide to accept the original graph of PC just like Touhou.

>>12442544
You can play PC version with PS3 sprites and voices patch.

No one played this on ps3, aside people knowing nippon

>>12442649
You MUST play it with the original graphics.

>>12445643
But original graphics are shit on the level of elementary schooler with broken arms

>>12445767
Don't bother. They're gonna excuse R07's abysmal skills by saying it has "soul" or some other retardation like that.

>>12443945
>You can play PC version with PS3 sprites and voices patch.

Not that you'd want to, of course, since the original graphics are superior.

>>12445829
I don't really care which someone prefers, but it's not like Alchemist didn't do a decent job at capturing the original facial expressions with the Chiru PS3 sprites. I feel like a lot of people are assuming the PS3 sprites for Chiru are of the same quality as the PS3 sprites for the question arcs.

Just finished episode 8 for the first time.

>>12449115
You seem to be implying there will be a second time. Are you perhaps a masochist?

>>12445963
Chiru's not bad but I really dont like the purple/blue blush.

The question arc sprites were really bad though. Really generic and half of the new sprites didnt even come remotely close to capturing the old faces.

>>12449154
Yeah, probably.

>>12449181
Still better than this abomination made by R07.
I can't honestly tell, how people can like them.

I feel like this is some sort "Tsukihime anime dont exist" meme that I just dont understand

>>12450900
Have you actually tried playing the game with the original sprites?

I remember hating R07's art when I first stumbled upon Umineko. I tried playing through it, but could never get past the airport scene because the godawful sprites actually made me feel physically ill. Several years later, some Russki made the PS3fication patch and I finally managed to finish EP1. I had gotten hooked to the story, and it didn't look like a patch for EP2 was on the way, so I took the plunge and read the rest of the story with the original artwork. It took a bit of getting used to, but I can now say with confidence that I ultimately prefer R07's art over Alchemist's. The lines may not be as clean, or as crisp, and there is a complete lack of concern for anatomy or proportion, but the original sprites have a certain dynamism and emotiveness to them that makes them infinitely more charming than the comparatively dull and lifeless PS3 sprites.

>>12449181
>>12450935

The voices are fantastic though. Especially Eva's and Erika's

>>12451686
Beatrice's VA's performance is indisputably the best.

Well, I still hate VNs made with terrible photos + photoshop effects as backgrounds. But somehow Umineko managed to make me forget the backgrounds and just read the text and look at the sprites.

If anything, I'd go with PS3 graphics for those backgrounds.

hello i am curious about this series
where should i start with it and then where do i go
thank you very much for your time and patience

>>12453144
You start with episode 1 and play to the episode 8.

Depending on what you prefer, you can play original pc version, or with ps3 patches.

PC version has original sprites and blurry photos for background. Also no voice acting.
PS3 patched version have more quality, but more generic sprites, very good voice acting and remaded background.

I recommend version with ps3 patches. Some people like R07 art, but I found them really ugly.

Play and enjoyy.
Read theories on the net only after you finish whole story. It's quite long, but worth it.
You will probably hate or love it after the end.

youtube.com/watch?v=lAwklIF1KRM
This is kind weird after digest it.

>>12454024
is 2009 all over again

>>12438821
Wait. There is this hentai in which the girl pretend to be reincarnated form of her sensei's late gf by using the gf's diary which they exchanged together.

I wonder what they are thinking.

>>12456183
About what?

>>12456960
Sex and Magic.

One question, what the hell is a witch. I've checked around the wiki and can't find a definition, anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFyzTtKNzYI
This song is so fucking Beautiful

>>12460608
this is a witch.

>>12460680
Real funny, how about answering my question.

This thread is autosaging now, might as well take it to new thread before this deletes: >>12461164