/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I get the vague impression that Kancolle is not really that respectful towards WWII.

Also, the English language community is like totally shit.

kancolle is too complicated for me

The boat girls aren't as cute.

I don't really know what it is

It'd be a good thing, since unwanted tertiary weebs will have something else to latch onto

At least one person in this thread is talking to himself.

>>11913989
Well it's not me.

Why do I prefer Touhou to Kancolle?

Because Air Force > Navy, that's why.

>>11913986
The number of secondary Touhoufags playing Kancolle right now is very small. Circle recognition, outside of the porn artists everyone knows, is near zero.

I prefer planes. Ships are dumb,

If i was interested in naval warfare, i'd play a game with actual ships, not some browser game with random girls.

>>11913956
not a shmup, lewd canon images.

>>1191396
the japanese arent usually sensitive to wwii

I'm not into Touhou that much, but Kancolle looks boring and too much pandering.

I feel that it tries to be Touhou but with more sexualization and pandering. Perhaps they succeded.

>>11914016
You're right on all counts but it's still enjoyable.

>>11913956
Because Kancolle is a card game. If it were an actual game I probably would have liked it.

Most of the designs are boring.

Kancolle has cute girls, but the actual game is even more boring than touhou.

social card battle games are some of the most cancerous shit in the world, right up there with mobas

>>11914030
This. I don't get what's so good about card games. You're constantly fucked by the RNG and the only action you'll ever have is pressing buttons.

>>11914030
If Kancolle were an actual strategy card game I'd like it a lot more than I do.

>>11914036
dota 2 /jp/ isDEAD

>>11914037
It had potential with the kind of setting it has too. They could have made it ace combat but with machine girls.

But I'm not anymore. Touhou games take effort and talent, absolutely no fun if you lack those. Kancolle is nice and easy to relax with, so it's not nearly as depressing to play. 2hu wins in the fanmade stuff department though since Kancolle has nothing but porn there unfortunately.

I don't play either. Does that make me a secondary?

>>11914054
If you pay attention to secondary works, yeah.

>>11914052
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm21385527

>>11913956
Based ZUN. Thats why.
But seriously, KanColle wasnt that exciting and I much rather prefer trying to memorize all the patterns in the touhou games

Hot new fad? Barely anyone knows about that.

>>11913956
Kancolle is a temporary fad, Touhou is forever.
It's as simple as that.

>>11914131
That's just wishful thinking. ZUN needs to step it up if he wants to remain a cultural icon.

>>11914135
Give him some time to find new things to plagiarize.

>>11914135
At least Touhou has been time-proven, still going strong in popularity after almost 20 years.
Even though said popularity didn't really boom until 12 years ago.

Actually playing it seems like a bit of a headache, I can't get into something I don't play. The uninspired character design doesn't help either.

>>11914108
>Hot new fad? Barely anyone knows about that.
Except everyone who's seen a cover a Comp Ace, Comptiq, Famitsu, or Febri in the last half year.

>>11914135
The problem is he doesn't.
He only make games for himself.

It seemed interesting until I realized it was just a shitty browser game.

Atago is cute though.

I got really bored of kancolle.
Yamato and Taihou were the most in demand last I checked, and I had both.

>>11914292
I will take your Yamato

>>11914296
You can trade now?

>>11913956
Already into Touhou and too lazy to learn the names and specs of every fucking ship. My mind is full of enough useless WWII-related info already. Plus, Kancolle doesn't have pic related.

>>11914308
>hags

>>11913956
>>11914308
I've already devoted so msvh time to Touhou that I feel its a waste to change fandoms

I like both.

Because I'm not a filthy bandwagon jumper.

>>11914308
>Kancolle doesn't have pic related.
my nigga

>>11914308
>>11914356
dam FUKKEN right

>>11914348
Joke's on you, I independently burned out on Touhou well before I started on Kancolle.

>>11914367
That doesn't matter. The only way to not be a bandwagon jumper is to be interested in Kancolle before it was popular or after it stops being popular.

>>11914356
>>11914361
Yukarin solidarity, my tovarishchi.

>>11914314
>lolis
>tripcodes

>>11914374
Like with Touhou, nobody in the West had ever heard of it before it became popular.

>>11914348
You don't have to devote your life to one hobby.

>>11914391
You don't have to, but in that case you should accept your filthy bandwagon jumper status.

>>11914391
My hobbies aren't determined by what /jp/ is doing this week.

YUKARI HIJACK LOL!!!

>implying that anything can really be dangerous for touhou universe
itt fagots

I have a complete lack of interest in playing Kancolle, and I kinda feel I'm missing out. I guess I'll just watch the anime when it comes out and embrace my dirty secondary status.

>>11914412
On the bright side you can just watch an episode or two to see if you like it rather than having to go through all that proxy nonsense and language barrier.

>>11914404
/jp/ isn't playing Kancolle.

because its a boring shitty pay to win mobile phone game with blobby anime girls who gives a hoot about that poop ass game

>>11914422
It sounds like you don't actually know what it is at all dude.

>>11914423
He's close enough.

I've heard it described as "one of the best browser games" but browser games are mostly awful so it doesn't say that much.

>>11914407
this

>>11914428
Some browser games are really fun, so you never know.

It's one of those things I've grown to hate because it's being shoved in my face wherever I go. Plus all the girls seem like they were designed on fetishes.

Posting 2hus

>>11914448
You must despise Touhou if you hate things being shoved in your face.

>>11914457
It depends on where you hang out.

>>11914461
Yeah, I am a Touhou fan because it's the kind of thing I'd get into. Kancolle isn't.

Why are you spamming shitty images?

>>11914488
Because I crave attention, obviously. Thanks for helping

>>11914480
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.soukyu.oikakekkoumakan

>>11913963
>the English language community is like totally shit
what are you even doing in /jp/

>>11914494
My phone can't understand moonspeak :(

>>11914385
>muh sekkrit club xDDD

>>11914497
I don't get it.

>>11913956
I'm content to remain a Kancolle tertiary. Touhou has more enjoyable characters, better music and enjoyable fan games. Also it will be playable in future unlike an online-only Facebook game.

>>11914497
>I became a hipster, i liked 2hus before they were cool :DD

I don't like anything that gives the Japanese a chance to show their nationalism. It's annoying, what do they have to be proud about militarily?

KanColle's so blatant about quickly cashing in with attractive designs it's not even funny anymore

>>11914512
They had a lot to be proud of militarily in WW2 which is where the ships are from.

>>11914514
Attractive?

>>11914517
This is all that's left of something like 300 ships.

Better luck next time.

>>11914517
Already fighting a losing battle less than a year after war with the US.

None of their territorial gains were achieved against a proper military, either.

>>11914524
Extremely

>>11914512
You don't need a reason to be proud of your country.

>>11913995
I joined the air force in the hopes of being just like a real 2hu, dodging projectiles in the air.

>>11914540
I think you should.

>>11914541
cool analogy

>>11914542
Do you need a reason to love your parents? It's the same thing with your country, it's not something you choose.

>>11914544
I think you should need a reason to love your parents, too. My parents are good people so I love them. My brother is shit so I don't love him. I barely met the rest of my family so I'm indifferent to them.

I think we just have different mindsets.

>>11914331
did I do well on touhou bingo

>>11914563
does anyone even have the answer key for this??

>>11914569
I don't think so

>>11914541
are you still in osan?

>>11914331
Goddamn duplicate characters and samey faces I give up for now.

>>11914665
thats cause frickin ZUN use the same face for all the characters. its all about hats and hat accesories

I don't like either

>>11914758
then why are you on /jp/?

>>11914767
/jp/ luckily has more to offer than doujinshit

>>11914768
Kancolle is a corporate monstrosity.

>>11914770
So are idols and Touhou.

>>11914768
true.
this is otaku culture and technically an otaku is any person who has a strong interest or hobby in something. there can be car otakus, gun otakus, camera otakus, travel, music etc. but the majority of the time /jp/ likes the same things

>>11914773
Idols are, Touhou isn't.

Because I just don't automatically like something just because it has cute girls with cute and/or silly outfits in it.

I don't have anything against KanColle. I just don't feel like it's for me.

>>11913956
KanColle: Press Button mindless simulation battle thingie

Touhou: Bullet Hell that encourage player's improvement in game.

This is why i'm still with Touhou.

Does anyone else think that the devs aren't really thinking about the future sustainability of the franchise's popularity. They have a manga, game, and numerous manga all in the works, and the main goal of these is profit rather than trying to get more people into the franchise.
At some point, either they're going to burn out, or the fans are.

>>11914806
And that's why Kancolle is just a temporary fad, compared to Touhou which has lasted for over a decade.

Because starting to play Kancolle requires a lot of effort apparently, and the game seems to be pretty boring, so I don't think it's worth the hassle.
The characters are interesting, but I think Touhou would still be #1 for me anyway.

Kancolle doesn't have an immaculate soundtrack.

>>11914995
I'm pretty shocked at how people still haven't gotten bored with the same music and the same arranges

>>11915069
Yes, because he ripped off of those

>>11915058
ZUN is just like JSB, Mozart and Beethoven. I'm sure many people will still listen to his music in 400 years.

Because the music is worlds better and I don't like how the characters in Kancolle all look really slutty. Sure touhous get sexualized tremendously by fans, but by default they are not.

>>11913956
kancolle got me into reading ww2 history.

kancolle scares me, especially the general threads
it feels so invasive
i don't like idols but the idol threads don't make me feel so intimidated

>>11915588
Agree that they aren't what /jp/ is like?

I still can't win the lottery. I've been trying in earnest to play this bitch for months and I keep falling asleep before it's go time.

I'm a loser.

>>11915610
Set an alarm.

>>11915588
Imagine all the autism of the STG threads on their worst day with none of the skill, and mix it with wch 2hu fuck. It's distilled /jp/.

GuP+WoT >>>>>> Kancolle

>>11915610
Start now, lottery is open now.

>>11915623
>GuP
It's meh.

>WoT
Shitty yet somehow addictive.

>>11915637
I don't normally watch anime, but I loved GuP.
I played kancolle for a bit, but got bored of it really fast.
I'm not autistic enough for WoT. I watched some of those "pro" games and it looked really lame.

>KanColle is the hot new fad
>hot new fad
>fad
You just said it yourself OP.

>>11915660
I enjoyed GuP very much too.
About WoT, why stay for that shitty game when you can play superior War Thunder?

>>11915610
Lottery over, did you get in?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7-Xh9PI_ag

This actually made my opinion on Kancolle a little better.
However, you won't feel this much affection from playing the game itself. So, it could have opposite effect.

>>11915720
that animation could've been touhou

>>11915720
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODQtHbO8Lnw

>>11914527
Those 10 are from ships that are included in the game, which around 120. If we count lots of destroyers and submarines, as well different types of ships from both IJN and IJA that aren't in the game, the number is probably around 50. That's still about less than 10%, though.

>>11915725
what will the context be though?
most 2hus are powerful independent female that give no shit about man.

>>11915238
This.

>>11915729
In the game, flagships can't be sunk.

Then again, this shows us who the real flagship is.

>>11915071
About 4 notes from 1 beethoven song that he even referenced in the manual.

>>11915781
which one?

>>11915781
Septette, the first bar sounds the same as this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DMFPyF9Xyg

It's about as much of a ripoff as using a sample in a song.

I never tried Kancolle, but I like Kiso and Tenryuu.
Nothing more than design-wise and looks, of course.

I'm not sure about personality since the only information I got is from few fanarts.

>>11915786
the resemblance is superficial. I wouldn't even call it a ripoff.

>>11915786
>>11915792
>>/jp/thread/S10661920#p10663155

>>11915786
>>11915792
>>/jp/thread/S10661920

Because the music arranges from C85 were mostly shit

the music is boring and the girls are REALLY boring. when you see a touhou you go damn now that is certainly a touhou look at her silly hat but when you see a kancolle they just look like a generic anime girl with no distinguishing features

i guess shimakaze is kinda cute? only design that stands out enough for me to learn their name.

>>11915817
That miniskirt and belly are sure distracting.
It's not something that you'd see in Touhou.

>>11915839

its lewd but in a cute way i think. though looking at their other designs its likely just cute by accident instead of intentionally

>>11915786
as using a sample in a song.
Sampling songs is the same as ripping off.

>>11915915
Technically, Nobody would actually say so though. It happens all the time in the music industry and people don't even notice most of the time.

I don't like either. I'm exclusively a Ryukishi07 fan.

Card games are autism simulators, the girls have literally no personality, and the music is nothing special.

>>11915982

I dont like video games. I just like cute girls.

>>11916136
Then Kancolle is right up your alley.
They're cute, have voice and don't mind being lewd.

You can imagine them as your pet, girlfriend or even sex slave if you want.

>>11916136
confirmed secondary

Not this shit again. Bet OP is a crossboarder provoking things up

Bet he is from /a/ and is laughing at all of you.

>>11916032
I have autism but I'm waiting for Japan to make a card game with gameplay that's actually good.

>>11916222
No one cares about kancolle enough to be provoked.

>>11916261
More like the only people who do never leave their general.

>>11914035
Even? your face is even! I find Touhou games enjoyable

KanColle are gonna be the modenr Pogs/80's Ninja Turtles/He-Man

Incredily popular, and they will cling and fade out in a couple of years.
I wish some little girl or jailbait cosplayed as Shimakaze or the other little ships before it stops being popular.

>>11916913
2lewd.. I dunno why they don't do u15 cosplay tho

>>11916925
If those girls show their butts in swimsuits, then they sure as hell can cosplay as Shimakaze without being spread eagle.

Can I just like both?
Personally though, I still like Touhou but the heavy requirement of the new games on my shitty computer prevented me from playing 13.5 and 14 often.

>>11913956
The characters seem so bland, like poorly designed corporate moe-girl cash ins.
I also don't care for mecha musume, which seems to just be "slap some metal bits on a girl and call her a robot or something."
The music is also pretty bog standard and nothing interesting.

Isn't Kancolle already declining?

2hus are more diverse and imaginative, and seems much less interested in grubbing for money.

It feels like Kancolle is dying already, in any case.

Zun-sama hand crafts each game with tender love and care, he has all our best interests at heart.

Also all the Kancolle girls besides the popular blonde one all look the same to me. Don't get me wrong, they are cute, but they are generic anime cute. Also the music is shit.

>>11920140
Not enough goofy hats to distinguish them?

>>11920146
with the silly hats, touhou becomes less boring and we should thank the ZUN for the hats

Touhou is created with love. Kancolle is created to sell figs and other moichandising.

>>11920146

It would be a start! But for me, it's that at a quick glance something like 60% of the ships seem to wear some variation of schoolgirl/miko top and standard skirt.

Obviously among the hundreds or whatever there are some pretty good ones, but a huge majority are very same-y.

Compare to 2hu where most characters are recognizable at a glance, be it due to color scheme or outfit or hats.

How long until ZUN makes a trash youkai? Has this already happened?

>>11920239
Wriggle already exists

>>11920239
Hey it's Shimakaze.

>>11920121
That is what I thought but the lottery space are all taken out within 30mins. Where the fuck do all these players come from? Multiple account holders? Chinks account seller?

>>11920541
Thirty minutes is a long time. Back in August they were filling up within three.

>>11920544
Took me until now to realise that unremodelled Samidare has one more HP than all the other starters, although remodelled all have the same HP.

How slow am I?

>>11921778
It's pretty understandable seeing as how destroyers are only obviously divided into Mutsuki, not-Mutsuki, and Shimakaze. All the starters besides Samidare are Fubuki-type destroyers with 15 HP. Destroyers from Hatsuharu on forward get 16.

Even though a lot of them have subtly different base stats nobody really cares since they all cap the same. Also in trivia nobody cares about, Fubuki and Tenryuu drop with 17 luck but it goes down to 12 when remodeled.

>>11920208
That's because most sister ships wear the same clothes. But at least the characters have actual personality and don't need to be created by fans like touhou.

>>11922071
Kantai Collection characters are one-dimensional caricatures given life by their voice actresses. Maikaze likes dancing, Shigure has PTSD, Ikazuchi takes care of the admiral and Chiyoda wants to jump her sister.

>>11922083
Not to mention character interactions are limited to either "I want to fuck her" or "she crashed into me, I don't like her ".
Not to mention the only jokes you can really make have to do with historical trivia or obnoxious memes. You can only do lol Akagi eats so much, Ryuujou is flat so many times.

>>11922093
But didn't touhou pretty much start like this too? I mean, simple characters who had pretty much no deep aspects whatsoever. I don't really think it became succesful after ZUN actually bothered with writing those books and manga. It all started with shallow characters which the fans could think about them the way they wanted to.

>>11922096
There were character interaction at least.
With kancolle, the characters have no interactions with one another.
Even in the official manga, character interactions are very basic. The same joke is made over and over. Aside from a couple of the more notable characters, almost all siblings can be pretty much seen as having a single personality.

>>11922071
I don't mind the whole "blanks-filled-in" thing. Often what gets inserted is moe garbage but it's quite possible to do interesting and subtle things with it.

>>11922093
Cirno has been dumb for a whole decade and still going strong.

>>11922115
The light novels should fill in some of the blanks. I've ordered both.

>>11922143
Aren't you a good little consumer. Once the kancolle fad ends, you'll be wishing you had bought porn with that money instead.

>>11921778
Didn't mean to quote. Wrong thread too. Oh well.

>>11921804
I'd care, but I also know most don't.

>>11922071
Most sister ships wear the same clothes but I thought it was still easy enough to tell them apart at one glance.

Of course, sister ships being really similar historically, should also be likewise in the game, so there's nothing wrong with sister ships looking similar, as long as it's not too similar, and their personalities differ. But such cases are actually quite few.

>>11922115
So all the fans need to do is to fill in the character interactions as well as the deeper aspects of their personalities. Not much difference.

>>11922157
I do all my porn on the computer. I only like having paper copies of things that are long enough that you could spend an hour or two reading from start to finish.

>>11922171
Then buy some non-h doujinshi.
All you're doing is supporting the people that will eventually drive kancolle into the ground instead of the people who are actually trying to keep kancolle alive.

>>11922182
I guess that would probably be a better use of money but I like having physical books too much. I ordered some history books as well.

Second novel doesn't come out for a week so I can still add shit to my order, I suppose.

>>11922157
>Buying porn

What are you, a faggot?

>>11920208
Those are the best outfits a girl can wear so there's really no reason for more.

>>11922235
I get so fucking hard whenever I bring porn to the counter and there's a cute girl there. You should try it sometime.

>>11922071
I like the "blank template" character more but still given some sort of backstory, hints of personality and many unique traits, as long as the fans can really get creative with adding the fan-personality.

I especially like story based on speculation of backstory more.

>>11922521
You just want to be able to write fanfiction more easily.

>>11924032
As long as it's not made by retards, fanfiction can be an enjoyable fanservice.

Fanfiction isn't really a bad thing.

If ZUN keeps forever postponing Mima's return, I just might.

Because I originally liked Touhou because I liked the games. And KanColle is a browser game so I can't bring myself to ever give a shit about it.

>>11926323
same here

sigh.....

I've been playing for a while and I like the setting but I think I need to quit. I always feel the need to take these settings seriously and I'm just not able to do it, the way that I was able to do so with Gensokyo.

The more I read about the war, the more I can't get over the fact that the whole WWII AU fanfiction thing is just totally fucking weird.

>>11914780
in the west, otaku = animu otaku. there's no other type, since everything else is a geek.

this is a western site.

>>11914806
People are going to burn out on the game very soon. But that doesn't mean they won't still be interested in the manga and anime.

>>11927142
The mangas are very dull, and the anime is a crap shoot, not to mention most animes give only a temporary boost in popularity anyways.

I'd much rather they did an anime after the series has gone on for a long time, like what Busou Shinki did. That way, it would be more of a tribute to the series and service to the fans rather than a money grab.

Touhou isn't an online kusoge.
The franchise and fanart aren't shit either.
This creepy webgame is just like so many others, it's contrived. There's as far as I can tell no more actual content there than the average pachinko machine.

And it's commercial so it can still have an approved official anime. Fuck.

The only thing i might look at is the porn. The games could not be a shittier genre. Free-to-play online social card game? No way in hell am i playing that shit.

touhou has games

"kancolle" doesnt

>>11927343
>"kancolle" doesnt
If a browser game doesn't count as one, it will have a Vita game out this year.

>>11922238

That's boring. I bet you eat pizza every day and like it too, nerd.

Which 2hu would win in a powerlevel fight against them kancolles?

No part of kankore is social. Why do people keep calling it a social game? Do they really just not know anything about the game?

>>11928760
Not sure about them but I don't. Not ever going to, either. Why don't you shut up about it already? You post about it at eerily regular intervals on at least two different boards on this site. You're bein' kinda a pain (of course, you know that already, that's probably why you're doin' it)

>>11928737
H Class 1944 would wreck everything if only it had been constructed that is.

>>11928766
This is the first time I've ever mentioned it. Your ability to tell people apart is as poor as you are willfully ignorant.

>>11928737
Minamitsu is a ghost whose ability is to sink ships.
Now do your math.

In the most complete calm, and in the strongest hurricane
On the blue sea are coming ships
Maybe, that is why sailors understand,
what is the ocean of love
To these brave guys even trouble is not trouble
They're helped by a guiding star.

Girls, [should] love simple romantics
Courageous pilots and sailors.
Girls, [you should] drop homely boys.
You shouldn't give them your love.


A fast plane with a white trail
wrote on the sky "i love you"
Who can wish happy birthday to their girlfriend
the same way as a pilot
to these brave guys even trouble is not trouble
they're helped by a guiding star.

Girls, love simple romantics
Courageous pilots and sailors.
Girls, drop homely boys.
You shouldn't give them your love.

to these brave guys even trouble is not trouble
they're helped by a guiding star.

Girls, love simple romantics
Courageous pilots and sailors.
Girls, drop homely boys.
You shouldn't give them your love.
You shouldn't give them your love.

>>11928817
Can she sink Yukikaze?

>>11928820
I actually translated this for the offtopic sailor thread at >>11928764
But then the bastard janitor deleted it, so i decided to post it here, since this thread is about the same stuff and the song will make lots of you bastards sad, as its' message is "girls should stop going out with beta NEETboys and go out with us, aplpha normalfags". It's a russian song, in case you were wondering.

>>11914541
put a chen in between to make it proper

>>11928760
If nothing about it is social then change the wikipedia page of it.

>>11928829
Okay, I did.

>>11928822
Any 2hu above stage 4 can, you just need to remember that 2hus have bullshit hax, heck even Cirno alone would trash them simply by freezing everything

>>11928878
>any 2hu above stage-

Touhous don't get stronger as the game progresses, nimwit.

Yuyuko was a S1 boss at one point, Satori keeps Utsuho and Orin as pets.

Seiga and Futo are more likely to mess up your day then Miko.

Patchouli is just as strong, if not stronger, than Sakuya and Remilia.

etc.

>>11928886
Yes, but you are forgetting who the strongest is.

>>11928822
The "unsinkable" thingy is bullshit, anon.
I hope you don't take that seriously.

>>11928896
I know, but only kuso TTKs should be able to sink her.

Also, can Murasa sink subs?

>>11928886
No I didn't mean that literally you faggot I was just trying to give an example, heck if you want to compare I'd say even Letty, Chen or Nitori can take them on all at once

>>11913956
Because Kankole music a shit, and Touhou is stagnating, with it's music no longer Michiru Yamane tier, being barely repayable and nothing but tedious to my ears, with new touhous catering to the monster girl fad and generally not conforming to the Touhou design archetype that ZUN pulled off flawlessly up to 12.

The only ones he's managed to do correctly since 12 is the Mask girl, the Jiang shi, and the Tanuki.

The rest look like they belong in a mobile game, RPG.

Mainly because they have no hats, or their hats look like shit.

That hobo with the hand is especially garbage, not only does she lack a hat she's basically a poor man's Hong Meiling.

Get your shit together drunkard, bring back some PC-98 characters.

I feel like Kancolle is already dying down, but maybe that's because I hardly go outside and have stayed in my room since last Comike. I tried the game just to see what it was like, but then I realized it's just another virtual card collection game. It's like trying to get dubs on 4chan only worse because only I get to see what's going on.

But this game is more likely to be the next Idolm@ster than the next Touhou. The company behind Kancolle is just going to keep milking their series until the fad dies out, or if the fad dies out.

>>11928908
>Implying IN isn't the last good Touhou game

Touhou is already dead, man.

>>11928908
>That hobo with the hand is especially garbage, not only does she lack a hat she's basically a poor man's Hong Meiling.
I had a hard time guessing who you meant. Kasen or what? In which case, lol get better taste, Kasen is the saviour of 2hu

So you can marry the ship girls?

>>11928951
They are ships, not your waifus. They can not love you.

>>11928951
Unofficially.

>>11928898
Subs can be sunken so yes

>>11928908
I agree with you to some extent, but I find Kyouko and Kasen likeable. No real opinion on the blatant monstergirls so far, I'll have to see more of what they're like if they show up in some of the official doujins.

I believe 13 is where he took a page out of bad ecchi series and started directly gender bending historical (mythological?) figures into "moe anime girls"...ugh. May or may not be related...but it's just something I've always found to be a lazy and hack writer thing to do. It's like.."NO EXPLANATION! THEY'RE A MAGIC GIRL INSTEAD OF A GUY NOW!"
Never really liked "Rule 63" when it pertains to official works instead of a "just for fun" fanon thing, I always have that nagging feeling that I'm reading a bad fanfic since I'm familiar with many of those characters beforehand.
(I imagine this opinion is likely unpopular, whatever. Character in question, the only one as far as I know) http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Toyosatomimi_no_Miko
This TL;DR may or may not be part of your own reason for finding something "off" though.
(Before someone brings it up, I'm aware of characters like Suika being based on Shuten Doji and what not, but the keyword is BASED.)

I'd also like to see more attention given to the PC-98 era. Might be saving their return for when interest is low in the fandom. Characters exclusive to the first game have almost absolutely NOTHING on them.

>>11928928
Agreed, I like Kasen...she's one of the few Touhous that seems to have a moral compass. (Course I haven't read all of it as of yet...)

>>11928951
You can restore their IRL wreckage and marry them AND be acknowledged by the state.
#REKT, 2hu

>>11928966
>NO EXPLANATION!

>Since they have already abandoned their body and flesh by the time they resurrect, there is some degree of freedom to the forms they can assume
>Miko changed to a look more suited to modern times.

ZUN explains everything. He even explained the gameplay, you think he'd leave something like that out?

>>11928975
So...the prince "wanted to be the little girl"?

There are people on /jp/ right now who think monster girls are something newly introduced in the last Touhou games. What the hell? Try actually looking at the characters in the games. Unless you are one of those people who think vampires are not monsters because they are dark and mysterious like yourself.

>>11928987
I think he doesn't like Wakasagihime actually being a half-fish. Some people treat wings and tails as accessories.

>>11928983
Maybe. Or maybe he just wanted to fit in.

>>11928995
And this proves that not only there is a way to go to Gensokyo, but that said way can also turn you into the little girl.
What are you waiting, /jp/?

>>11928966
I don't know why many people seems to don't realize this, but the reason TH12 and 13 looks "off" than the previous games because it's fucking religion-based. Of course he'd add something like buddhist nun, priest, onmyouji, etc and since they're based on real thing that still exist he can't just put silly dress or hats on them, and even he still did that to Byakuren. She's just as frilly as your typical 2hu.

But there are people who think that the design are shit for no reason other than "ZUN is declining". Maybe they should complain about how he took religious and historical theme, which actually limit some liberty in design.

I, for one, don't mind that he tried to put something new to the franchise. It may not turned out well for some but I still appreciate it.

>>11928987
Zun is a hack using the latest fad. Next Touhou you'll see the return of Ruukoto and the Tsukumogami of a old WW1 boat left forgotten in the ocean.

Any resemblance with any other fandom is purely incidental.

>>11929020
good luck figuring out how to resurrect and gain ability to change forms.

you're not jesus.

>>11929113
I just need to poison myself with mercury right?

>>11929043
good explanation, dude
Also, I think new 2hu's (TH14) designs are quite decent

>>11929115
mercury deaths are painful bro

>>11929240
No pain no gain.

OP was junk and it's mostly /b/tard porn assholes ITT? That explains a lot

>>11929244
if you die in pain, you can't concentrate your last thoughts/faith into what you want your afterlife to be like though, since they're full of pain.

>>11929251
It's okay since I won't actually die.

Sweet jesus, looking back, you can really tell in this thread when someone hasn't played Kancolle before throwing down their opinion.

Though to be fair, we've stopped discussing Kancolle a while ago and have gone back to arguing about if Touhou's relative decline.

This quality thread is why I hate us.

>>11929635

Because I find bullet hell shooters to be more fun.

>>11929048
I just realized Nitori's design in HM probably based on that one character in Monogatari series.

>>11929897

me in the third panel

>>11936208
What? Which one?

>>11936217
The one who always carry oversized bag.
She's called "Snail" or something if I remember.

There's even Nitori video parodying her, though it was made long before HM.

>>11936220
mayoi hachikuji

>>11928896
As long as they start the battle with orange HP, not even Murasa can sink them.

And even if Murasa sinks a ship, I have something called a damecon which will revive the ship and render her unsinkable for the rest of the battle.

One is an inspired, fun and challenging independent game made by one man, followed by an established, creative and loyal community.
The other one is a pandering and nationalistic time-sink made by a big and aggressive company, followed by horny niwaka and weebs.

>>11939142
That's only until the devs add new enemy ships that can sink ships from green, unless you purchase super ship armor which you have to equip to survive, only 500 yen a piece.

>>11939273
>Kancolle
>P2W
Never.

>>11939221
Creative is a nice way of referring to the thousands of porn creations.

>>11939221
>followed by an established, creative and loyal community
>loyal
They already jumped ship.

>>11939297
Good riddance, I hated that guy.
And I hate his fans even more.

>>11939303
And who are doujinka that you like?

>>11939297
Did she? She just released a touhou doujin in C85.

>>11939303
Wow look how easily this guy turns on others.

>>11939287
It's not my problem if you only search for porn and ignore all the games, music, animations, non-porn manga and amazing art that comes out every year.

>>11939314
They all died.

>>11939338
Hell of a community.

>>11913956
I don't like Kancolle because I hate idle games.

I'd rather hurt my own eyes watching intching million bullets on screen than waiting hours and hours for a repair before going out on another mission after another mission.

>>11939338
Most of mine died, too. Some defected.

>>11920239
That's kind of what Kogasa is, except people liked her.

Unrelated question.
Did he mind that westerners are pirating his games? Did he said something about it during AWA?

>>11940139
The short answer is no.

>>11940143
Is that answer for the first or second question? or both?

>>11940148
Both, I think. I heard about it a few years ago, so I can't give a source. You'll have to take it at face value.
He mentioned that he'd received offers from Western publishers to license Touhou but he declined them all. The reason he gave at the time was that he didn't care that much about reaching a Western audience. The rest is conjecture but it seems he knows there's a fanbase big enough to warrant interested publishers, but he's fine with keeping things as they are.

>>11940151
You mean that he's aware with westerners pirating his games because how big the fanbase is and he's just fine with it without saying anything?
I know that ZUN don't aim for profit but at least he could said something about the freedom to download his games, but support is preferred. Same goes with mangas and print works.
At least no one will possibly feel guilty.

>>11940164
That's how I interpreted it. Japanese copyright law is discretionary. He knows there's a Western fanbase big enough that it's being downloaded but he's not pursuing it at all or making any effort to license it. That sounds like a nod to me, or at the very least he's looking the other way.

>>11914154
I think by booming 12 years ago rather than 20, it might had saved it from being a burnt out fad. If Touhou would had gotten popular when HRTP dropped in '96 and boomed a year or two later, series would and burned out by maybe the 7th game.This is just a wild guess tho so idk.

>>11914135
I really don't think he seeks to be a cultural icon really. He seems like one of those dudes that knows he famous, got popularity and people know him, but really don't give a fuck about it. Like he is grateful that he got all the fans and love and support but he don't let it get to his head.

Kancolle has officially sanctioned hyper lewd. No reason not to "JUMP SHIP".

>>11940447
All he wants to do is to make games and drink bear.

I think he even stated himself that he would continue making games even if he was the only one playing them

>>11940451
If anything Kancolle getting stealing all the lewd artists from touhou is all the more reason for me to love touhou

Once I die, I will meet ZUN and he will bring me to Gensokyo.

>>11940451
>>11940455
You mean, the non-lewd artists aren't jumping ship as well? I'm surprised.

>>11940455
It's too bad westerners are so self-righteous that they can't handle lewd done to their sopure waifus. The amount of degenerate porn of Touhou drawn by the Japanese is staggering.

Touhou lewd isn't even official anyway while Kancolle's is so why do you care? The fan art has no bearing on Touhou itself.

>>11940463
I guess touhou just has much more potential for non-lewd.

Go to e or exhentai and search for touhou while filtering out everything except non-h.
Now do the same for doujins.

I wonder if there are really more non-h doujins made than h-doujins or if it's because mostly non-h doujins are getting scanned

>>11940466
I just think touhou is not supposed to be lewd if we take ZUNs intention and the overall vibe of the world he created into account, so I think non-lewd material does more justice to how touhou really is.
No need to get your panties in a bunch, I don't really care if you masturbate to anyone or not

>>11940471
You're the one sad about Touhou lewd in the fandom. I'd say you're the one whose been upset. I think you're hilarious though for caring at all. Lewd will always exist and Touhou has attracted that more than any single other property.

Either way, who really cares dude. You're trying to give some cosmic meaning to Touhou and its existence when it's just an otaku game. And where there are otaku there is havoc.

>>11914541
when u game over t here's not restart tho

>>11940475
>You're trying to give some cosmic meaning to Touhou and its existence when it's just an otaku game

Maybe to you, for some others it's something that helps us in our daily life, akin to a religion.

>>11940478
You should do stand-up

>>11940468
And we (as in those of /u/ who often go proclaiming yuri to be the purest form of love) can't even attribute it to the lack of guys in Touhou either because even Kancolle's yuri doujins are far lewder than Touhou's.

Though given the fact that Kancolle, despite being a non-H game, is being hosted on an otherwise R-18 site, I'm inclined to believe that it's H doujins that have a higher tendency to be scanned, because I don't see either Kancolle or Touhou as having any more potential for lewd or non-lewd. Of course, that Kancolle's hosted on an R-18 site might motivate the lewd doujin artists more than the non-lewd ones.

>>11940494
Then again, thinks with the most amount of fanservice often have the least amount of porn, see Neptunia for example

I don't like of KanColle girls' design.

>>11940563
I think they're pretty half-assed with their designs, as well.
Just strap a command bridge on a girl's back and call it mecha musume

I never liked Touhou. I really don't know why. I don't hate it either, but even though there is some pretty good Touhou fanart out there, the character designs just didn't appeal to me.

As for KanColle, there are only a few designs I really like (Kaga, Akagi, Haruna...), but I think I like overall design better. The whole WWII battleship thing is a pretty strange though.

>>11939273
>>11939280
The devs would never make such a dick move. People are already suffering from RNG hell, doing that would definitely make people quit, and they won't want that.

The devs are many things, but lacking common sense isn't one of them.

>>11940571
give a girl a dress and fluffy hat and call it a touhou. fantstic.

anything can be marginalized.

>>11940620
There's so much more about each touhou other than apperance since they originate from japanese folkslore though.

I haven't masturbated to 2hu since kancolle happened

>>11940630
That doesn't show in their design so much though.

>>11940631
I masturbated to kancolle when I played it, but I got bored of playing it, and somehow that carried over to the girls. Now the girls seem boring too.
I should have never played it, then I probably would feel ambivalent towards it.

>>11940620
That's bullshit and you know it. ZUN may lack talent and skill, but he sure as hell is creative.

>>11940560
Neptunia doesn't even have many doujins to begin with.

>>11940571
>>11940630
>half-assed
Go look at how the ship girls were designed again, the accessories of each ship girl correspond to all the different parts of their historical counterparts. Even Shimakaze got a justification: >>>/a/103027357

But you cant even play it if you dont come from the moon.

>>11940905
Look at this illiterate retard.

>>11940563
It's just school uniforms and plamo.

>>11940630
The Kancolles originate from WWII, so they have their stories too. It's just not anything you can really take seriously when the ships are girls.

>>11940563
I prefer them

>>11928817
Can I use my Isuzus to modernise Murasa so she can sink ships even more easily?