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Hello friend! It appears there is already a touhou game general already up:

>>11757327

Please use the catalog next time :^)

>>11768781
That is not a touhou game general, that is clearly a thread about how bad that one player is. How silly of you to make such a mistake.

>>11768781
> :^)
No thank you.

I was thinking about getting Death Smiles sooner or later. Thoughts?

So what do you guys use to play mainly; keyboard, gamepad, or something else entirely?

>>11770185
I prefer to use my trusty Rock Band controller.

>>11770185
Keyboard. Touhou is one of the few shmups I can actually play with a keyboard.

>>11770185

>>11770185
I use an arcade stick.

>>11768719
What does NMNB mean?
>pls respond

>>11770347
My "friend" has that same stick, except he is selling it now because he realized he doesn't have the time, skill, or interest to play fighting games. He's such a yuppie.

>>11770401
Every thread, someone asks this. NMNB = No Miss No Bomb.

Besides Sakuya A in DDC I have been unable to 1cc the game. I have tried and tried with Reimu B and I have only gone passed Seija twice.

How easy is Raiko?

>>11770347
Get marisa away from all that trash onegai!

>>11768719
Hard mode because Lunatic is too kowai.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=31696

>>11770347
Damn, dude. You should've made your stick out of empty DP cans.

>>11770471
What difficulty?

>>11770185

i just use keys, but i probably shouldn't. I have an awful problem of overmoving strait into bullets even when i feel i'm being delicate.

Noob here, i finally cleared normal Reimu A Marisa B routes on EoSD.

I still don't understand what this idea of "miss" means; tried googling but all i ever get are youtube vids for "no miss" runs or results for Immaterial Missing Power.

What the hell is a miss?

>>11771628
A death; It's short for mistake.

>>11771630

ah ok, thanks for clarifying.

>>11771628
Also, deathbomb counts as a miss in eosd.

>>11770185
Mechanical keyboard and pad. I'm borderline on what I want to use, but I like to use keyboard a lot more when my hands are freezing cold.

My fingers don't move fast enough during the cold weather, makes playing pad much harder than it should be.

I want to play 2hu.
There seems to be a lot of different versions out. Where's a good place to start?

>>11772025
Start with 7 or 8. They're the best, but also the most accessible for newcomers.

got it http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=31708

I've always used my keyboard
I've tried various controllers and such but none of them have felt as natural.

I feel that the long key travel distance my keyboard has is frequently messing up my (near)death bombing. I figured that using flat buttons with a short travel distance would help and I seem to have achieved slightly better results by using a cheap Logitech controller for bombing, shooting and focusing and the keyboard for movement. Ordered a flat gamepad with very short-travel buttons from PlayAsia, hopefully it would improve my results even further by having even shorter key travel distance and not being a giant bulky piece of plastic that Logitech is.

Anyone else want to blame key travel distance for failing with death bombing? Any consensus on using flat keyboards among STG players?

how to deathbomb?

>>11772194
press x after getting hit but before dying

>>11772194
1. Get hit
2. Press X before dieing

Congratulations

>>11771435
Normal.

>>11772288
I don't think Raiko is easy if you're having a hard time 1ccing on normal difficulty, especially those curved laser spellcards are pretty hard. Playing Sakuya A makes things a lot more easier though.

>>11770185

My arcade stick.

Not very content with how I handle the second Alice spell, and the second midboss spell. Got lucky with the midboss spellcard and managed to beat st's performance with a few thousand cherryMAX this time. Didn't do the neat graze on the nonspell before it, though.

Death and two bombs on the final nonspell, so the run doesn't meet the conditions for the OP. I'll return to it, but probably on the higher difficulty mode, as it's the one I'm more familiar with (and working on, anyway).


>>11772126
I have a challenge for you, anon. (optional, of course)

Beat this Hard mode score with either the Lunatic or Hard difficulty. Obviously, you don't have to do it, but seeing how close the ending results are to each other, I don't think you'd have to spend several hours in order to reach an acceptable result.

Looking forward to see more people grab onto the challenge on the OP, it's actually rather nice.

>>11770347
You should crush those cans for more space.
and recycle them for money

>>11774264
I cleaned them yesterday. It's a bitch to get touhou to work with a stick though you have to use another program to get it to recognize the directionals. Before that I used a ps3 controller.

>>11770347
Damn I think I had those exact same speakers until they stopped working for some reason.

>>11774109

>>11775035
Oh, I know this song.

So, miss maid. Do you only clean people's clocks, or can you also do the tango?

Yeah, alright. I've played this stage enough for one day. Didn't fail spells and missed only one border this time with a couple of millions lost from bad cancels. Doing all the midboss & stage tricks that I can apply into stage practice, but faltering in execution.


>>11775035
Did you happen to save a replay of this one? While the result screen sort of tells me what will happen, I'd like to see your route in action for the full stage, as the overall amounst for cherry and items seem nice.

Yeah, alright. I've played this stage enough for one day. Didn't fail spells and missed only one border this time with a couple of millions lost from bad cancels. Doing all the midboss & stage tricks that I can apply into stage practice, but faltering in execution.


>>11775035
Did you happen to save a replay of this one? While the result screen sort of tells me what will happen, I'd like to see your route in action for the full stage, as the overall amounts for cherry and items seem nice.

>>11775642

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=31739

No real supergrazes, failed last two spells. The route is improvised and I have no idea if it's good or not

>>11775763

I watched it again and there's also a death on midboss nonspell, that's not intentional but I kept going anyway because whatever

>>11775763
It's rather interesting. Let me unlock the stage on SakuyaB and see if I can do something with her. I'll probably end up dropping the second midboss nonspell trick due to the different movement speed and hitbox.

You could try ReimuB, who plays in a lot more straightforward way.

http://www.weibo.com/signup/signup.php?inviteCode=3358611244

wow. zun has a communist account. much betrayed. wow.

Why did ZUN get so lazy with all the spellcards and nonspells based on "random bullets flying everywhere" in MoF?

>>11775763
Sorry for the late response. I'm watching the SnW anniversary stream while playing, and paying more focus to the former, so the gameplay suffers.

Yeah, in any case, most of the "accidental" suicides and stuff were actually useful. I moved a couple around, but they mostly remained at the same places. Failed a bunch of stuff and used a couple of external bombs, but SakuyaB is rather lenient with bombs, so it wasn't all too tight. Let's say 180M with the missing item collection, borders and that one spell. I probably won't push it, but it was a nice alteration from the more strict route I use on Reimu. Oh, and you could build the second nonspell graze into this (with a bomb at the first wave of the nonspell and/or good stage cherry collection), but I don't want to do it with Sakuya's movement.

I suppose you could take another jab at it.

>>11774264
>crush cans and recycle them
u wot m8

What place accepts crushed cans for deposit?

No IN Stage 3 submissions yet?

>>11776406
With the silly intentional deathbomb, but it doesn't count. I'd like to see 600M one day, but that requires being good and timing things properly.

Why won't this guy use Raise Dead? He almost never does it.

>>11772416
I got three spell cards in when I tried her, I think I'll get it if I go insane. I managed a 1CC with Marisa B though which feels good.

Why is Remilia such a fun boss fight? God damn.

I'm not gud enough for the 1cc yet so no Flan for me until I am.

Could you, please, recommend good STG for Windows? With good music preferably.

Also, what is the name of Hatsune Miku STG where you can clear a screen from bullets with pigtails?

Why are you hiding your highscores?

>>11777985
Because they're shit, of course !

Easiest windows game to complete on Lunatic? I can just about do all of them on Hard.

>>11777996
POFV with Medicine.

I downloaded the DDC demo today to try out 2hu, it's pretty fun. It's in jap though and I don't know that well enough yet.
Where do you even get the full version in English?

>>11777996
PCB or SA

o-ok

>>11777869
Miku's Multiply Spiral

Non-touhou STG with good music :
CHO REN SHA
Acceleration of Suguri
eXceed series
Crimzon Clover
壊漢 KAIKAN
Leiria -Stargazer-
OneTwo
Revolgear2
Thunder Faith
Scarlet Agony

>>11778465
Thank you very much, kind sir

>>11776541
Poor post-midboss stage section this time I'm afraid.

Working on NMNB Stage 3 score attack on UFO.

I missed chunks of items for a few summons along the way. It's mostly blue summons and a flashing at the final wave.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/replays/th12/th12_udEd14.rpy

http://replays.gensokyo.org/replays/th12/th12_udEd14.rpy
Normal wasn't too tough either. Again my item collection still has some flaws which need more practice and precision.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/replays/th12/th12_udEd15.rpy
Managed to scrape past the midboss. Second stage portion got trashed to death.
I'm quite happy trying to push a bit further at this difficulty for a while.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/replays/th12/th12_udEd15.rpy
Normal wasn't too tough either. Again my item collection still has some flaws which need more practice and precision.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/replays/th12/th12_udEd16.rpy
Managed to scrape past the midboss. Second stage portion got trashed to death.
I'm quite happy trying to push a bit further at this difficulty for a while.

Redpill me on touhou.

>>11781817
It's a very cultured past-time, that reminds of how renaissance people venerated their little greek worlds and stuff.
It's also considered easy peasy lemon squeezy by pro danmaku players, last time i checked it was so.
The characters might be considered minor deities and venerated if you're a pagan, or have occultist inclinations.
There's also the fact that the characters in general are a throwback to magic, especially TH06 ones'.

brr, i feel bad typing so much edgy/satanist stuff on christmas.

>>11780959
>>11781770
Go to IRC.

>>11768719
>NMNB Stage 3
Too much rust.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=31793

>>11772172
no because my index finger is always over X
middle on Z, index on X, ring or pinky (your preference) on shift
or else you will never improve

>>11778465
>eXceed series

i'm playing exceed gun bullet children but i always stop because it's too boring
does it get better
what other exceed games are good


also samidare is a good doujin stg, and seihou project has some good music even though the gameplay is kinda dull

>>11772172
>Anyone else want to blame key travel distance for failing with death bombing?
No.

>>11786487
eXceed 3rd is the best by far, great soundtrack too.

>>11786487

GBC is fucking horrible for gameplay, the 2nd is a ripoff of Ikaruga (but still somewhat fun), and the 3rd is a really easy thing that resembles Touhou, but it actually contains a good soundtrack, art, and some pretty major voice actors at least, unlike 2hu.

How do I into PoFV multiplayer? anyone got the pasta for how to set it up?

>>11786765
Ask qazmlpok.

>>11786765
http://pastebin.com/4jz10tNh\
Here you go anon-san.

>>11786765
http://pastebin.com/4jz10tNh
Here you go anon-san.

>>11786808

Much appreciated

How do you get to the best of your 2hu abilities ? Some days I can lunatic 1cc but at other times I'm just shit. Is there anything you do to be able to focus more ? Anything that should be avoided ? Would you usually try playing for long periods of time, or is taking breaks more efficient ?

Endless grind continues.

>>11788080
永の実践

>>11787989
>focus more
hold shift
>anything that should be avoided
bullets

Man whoever the hell keeps saying Imperishable Night is an easier Touhou is full of it; those stage 4 spellcards are stage 6 material in most of the other games. How am i supposed to even capture shit like Blink when she's moving everywhere like a hummingbird? Marisa's fuckhuge laser star combo is also serious bullshit.

>>11793151
>How am i supposed to even capture shit like Blink
You don't have to capture it, failing it doesn't spend resources as it's a last spell.

>Marisa's fuckhuge laser star combo is also serious bullshit.
The stage gives you four bombs. Use them.

How does one get good at dodonpachi saidaioujou? Am I not supposed to look at my hitbox and just stare at the bullets all day? The bullets in 2hu are slow enough to look elsewhere but I just can't react fast enough in dodonpachi, especially in arcade and 1.51. It feels awful using 9-10 continues.

>>11793223

Yeah lets just use like 3-4 bombs on stage 4.

>>11793472
The game gives you enough resources to bomb every single spellcard.

>>11793570
You'll never be the ~Best in the West~ with that kind of mentality.

>>11794607
If you solely play to be the "~Best in the West~" you could as well quit, since you won't reach that goal if that is the only thing driving you forward.

When I worked for my first clears in the games, I played with clearing the games in my mind, not reaching some arbitrary number. Then, I slowly raised the bars and years later ended up playing with higher score goals.

The "Best in the West", as you like to put it, never gave a fuck about being "the Best" in the first place. Maybe they do nowadays, but I know they didn't back when I still kept a track of people's doings.

>>11793230
You must develop a feeling of where you hitbox is, and look much higher up on the screen.

>>11794634
>but I know they didn't back when I still kept a track of people's dongs.

>>11794607
I remember when I had motivation to be the best in the West after being told I'd never be good at shmups, the only good thing that came out of that was that I practiced more often. The truth is, I don't even know what it means to be the best. 1cc a bunch of hard games? Get decent scores in a bunch of games? Get a really good score in a game you really like? It's too bad I don't really like the community, otherwise I'd practice a lot more than I usually do.

>>11795287
Best in the West means being the best in not-Japan. All you need to do is get the highest score ever at all touhou games.

>>11794654
(´・ω・｀)

>>11776864
What game is that?

>>11796357
Looks like 艦これ to me.

I give up /jp/, I think I should cast aside my pride and try normal instead of hard.

Completed all windows touhou on normal and youyoumu on hard. Don't know what to do next. Please, give me some advice.

Currently trying to 1cc koumakyou on hard (no progress at all), youyoumu extra and dodonpachi on normal (good progress).

>>11796639
Lunatic, of course.

>>11796357
genius of sappheiros, in english

>>11796440
if you practice one difficulty level above what you are trying to achieve, you might improve faster

>>11796639
go for more hard clears or youyoumu lunatic, whichever you feel more comfortable with. I found it easier to do lunatic in a game right after doing hard because i sort of was still fresh on the patterns and whatnot, but doing more hards will get you more dodging practice

>>11798382
What if I'm trying to achieve lunatic?

>>11799238
Lunatic with the Ultra patch. There is no other way. It must be done.

Hey guys, i know there's a few basic mods for some of the games. Is there one that adds spell card practice (like that in IN) specifically to EoSD and/or Subterranean Animism? Something like that would be a great help.

>>11799289
In SA, there's a boss run patch, which just skips straight to the boss for whichever stage you're on. Google it, it isn't hard to find.

>>11799238
you can try 90fps, or cross-train on harder games

For linuxfags, there is an open source reimplementation of the engine there : pytouhou.linkmauve.fr

>>11799289
>>11800050
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14744.0.html
have fun practicing every satori card though

Almost beat froggy, I was on her last spell and she managed to kill me twice in her last quarter of her life. Goddamn I am upset. I've beat Ran and Mokou, I don't get why I am having trouble with Suwako.

>>11804636
What's the status of the engine?

Whoops.

Well, at least I'm up to par with nyanko without using the bomb on the first spell (which he does for several hundred graze). Assuming good RNG, obviously.

Whoops.

Well, at least I'm up to par with nyanko in graze without expending the bomb on the first spell. (which gives a few hundred graze) With good RNG, obviously.

I feel sick.

>>11806343
Got her. I was under the impression that her last 3 cards were hard when the reality is that The Red Frog in the Fourth Year of the Houei Era and Suwa War - Native Myth vs Central Myth have 5-10 dangerous seconds between them. Mishaguji-sama fucks with my eyes still.

>>11793230
use Type A Shot because it's way easier than everything else

Soul status: crushed

>>11813169
Don't give up Anon~

Ok, I've had enough. Wasted 4 hours and would continue, but I'm too sleepy today. And I already know that I'll just keep trying tommorow instead of studying, which is why I hoped to capture it today in the first place.

How did ZUN come up with this fucking atrocity of a pattern, let alone include it in the game is beyond my comprehension. The thunderballs' movement defies all logic, with them being capable of somehow intercepting you on your way despite following your direction of movement, not to mention them being a little too fucking fast. The worms are nearly constantly on the screen and their movement is erratic and hard to read, which is bad enough, but they just have to accelerate halfway through to screw your reads and if you dodge, then they fucking ELONGATE to stay longer on the screen and make you ram into them when you think your path is clear. U-streaming can only get you so far - if the thunderballs decide to not give you an opening, or you're locked by the worm, you get walled, end of story. Eat your heart out, Recollection of Kinkaku-ji, here comes a new RNG champion. And to add insult to injury, the pattern lasts forever, because you can easily drain half on her HP and then you do next to no damage at all because of all the shit on the screen - with 40 sec timer, there's barely any difference between a timeout and a capture. And if you somehow take out Yoshika, the thunderballs' don't dissipate, so by the time you make it through them, she's back good as new.

Honestly, I always hated the Seiga battle, because of how boring it is, with drawn-out patterns that look the same and grating BGM to boot, but I never felt like I'm going to get a PTSD from it. I never felt like punching ZUN in the face so strong before today.
Oh, and fuck Seiga.

>>11799238
90fps.

Is it bad that I play with the extra lives on EoSD?

>>11813539
I still have this if it makes you feel better.

>>11813748
As I have yet to beat the game, no.

Once I do, yes.

>>11813539
You're bad at making observations if you don't understand the thunderballs' movement. The pattern is very rhythmic. Watch yourself failing until you can attribute certain audio cues to when the bullets change their direction, and use this information to redirect in a consistent fashion.

This game is weird. You just slash everything the fuck away. Large enemy tactic isn't to dodge their attacks, but to CQC their faces and memorize when the lasers are gonna come out. The projectiles are really hard to see because everything on the screen is already either red or yellow. Getting hit drops your multiplier but you can get it back to maximum in .5 seconds. You have a health bar and it regenerates. It's almost euro.

What do you all think of 13.5? I just played it last night for the fist time and I think it is pretty fun and I really like the art and animation of it but does anyone know of an english patch for it yet?

>>11815091
It's shit. The Hiso thread agreed, don't bother them about it.

Koishi such a goddamn ass, who the hell can capture "Philosophy of a Hated Person"?

>>11815517
ok ok

>>11815635
I HATE her

>>11815635
my boyfriend captured it once

>>11813539
With the attempts lasting rougly 30 seconds, that's around twenty-two hours of playtime. With a single attack that might be a lot, but you must remember that there are a lot of people who have played these games for hundreds, maybe even thousands of hours.

The attack might be designed for those. With a little more experience and feel of comfortability around the patterns.

Did you think of the problem being partially on the players' side at all? No, you did not. Instead of that, you went on and wrote a long text of anger and hate about the game like some sixteen-year old kid.

Like you were told earlier, it's a rather rhythmic attack. Suck it up and keep playing, these games take time and effort to get good at.

astebreed is pretty shitty

>>11816461
It's Sine Mora 2: Daifukkatsu.

I'm hoping for some high level plays to prove me wrong though.

I actually paused the game twice near the end, but only between slides to catch my breath, no buffering or anything.

Wooooo! Four fucking thousand attempts! At this point, I pretty much stopped dying to the worms unless walled, and the thunderballs still proved to be fucking little buggers. But with this, my Sanae Overdrive capture collection is finally completed. No more.
All of this had a side effect of moving Seiga considerably higher on my shit list, but I'll stop caring about her soon enough anyway.

>>11817215
oh god finally you did this

What do you think by looking at this image?
The closer look at the top!

>>11817265
Eight Chile?

>>11817265
You're not using 英語 translation.

>>11817265
Why on earth are you using a MAC?

>>11817265
I used the Google Translate
11817265 It looks like playing the touhou using CrossOver for Mac

http://www.oh-blog.net/blog/2012/10/31/youhou_crossover_mac_linax_free/

Website is written in English was not found
sorry

Just give me a forgiveness from the show this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEvioZctOBw

I don't know what you're saying When you have the translation
Was incontinence

Where can I find pc-98 replays.
Or at least, is there a way to do boss practice.
I'm tired, please help.

>>11817860
youtube

>>11817860

>>11770185
360 thumbstick

>>11818101
You are a fool.

>>11818114
i can clear normal if i use all my continues

>>11818125
What stage do you lose your first continue in?

>>11818129
Patchouli onwards (EoSD)

>>11818148
Thats about equal to my friend who is terrible at shmups playing with a keyboard. While eating lunch.

My hands are too cold to play. ;_;

>>11818158
I've seen someone lose on level one with max lives on easy.

>>11818171
I guess my friend isn't that bad then.

>tfw beating MoF
First 2hu beat but I kind of shit the bed when I nearly got a 1 cc clear on easy and started dying.

>>11818158
default kb hurts my fingers

Reported video games belong on /v/ even shitty ones.

Not /jp/ material

>>11818225
Git Gud.

>>11818183
No, that other person just wasn't trying.

Very hard

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr9_Sb9EF0E

(T_T) }>:)

>>11817979
The only thing I found worth something on youtube is http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL68E62CCE3F6BCA9D, which is pretty good, but I want more replays.
If there is no other choice I'll manage with that.
>>11817990
Yeah, as if I didn't do that already.

How do I fix fonts in PC-98 games? Japanese locale?
Also, in Mystic Square how do I clear Shinki's spellcard with homing yellow dicks? I can't dodge it at all.

>>11819719
Basically you L%Kb!!!'2K$J$s$@$C$F❤

>>11819579
http://www.youtube.com/user/ZillionBrain

>>11819719
What emulator are you using? Anex86 requires Japanese locale, plus the proper font file so that the Japanese characters wouldn't look like shite.

>>11819879
I see, thanks.

>>11819719
Sit on her head.

>>11819741
It's lacking on SoEW, but I've been watching some of those videos, looks nice and also has good HRtP replays, which are harder to find.
Many thanks.

>>11768719
I tried on hard mode but fuck it was hard, I can't even beat hard mode yet!

So I decided if I can't do it on normal I shouldn't even try on hard. After about an hour or two I finally got this.

I'm gonna try for hard mode too but maybe after I 1cc hard.

http://threplays.appspot.com/replay_files/th14_ud0003.rpy

SUCCESS
Shit score I know, but this is the first time I 1cc'd a game on lunatic. I even had a life left at the end.
Fuck Hourai Jewel though, that card alone ruined multiple run and eats up so many bombs.

I finally got to Patchy on EoSD without dying. The usage of bombs proves as very beneficial. I feel silly

>>11823630
Yep, that's a common mistake for Easy/Norm players--trying to do as much as possible without bombing and feeling inadequate about needing to bomb.

It's inevitable that you'll trip up or RNG will give you a wall of bullets that you can't pathfind through. Bombs exist to be used.

>>11819719

I hear things about the varying difficulties of 6-13 but haven't heard much for DDC. How hard is it comparitively?

I can't dodge Youmu's non-spells to save my life. They're harder than her spellcards to me, and by the time I get through her, I only have one or two lives left for Yuyuko, and it's never enough.

This is my best score so far, though, so I guess that's something to be proud of.

>>11823604
Congrats, dude, that's pretty damn impressive, if you ask me.

>>11823992
ZUN said it best in his afterwords.

Pretty easy unless you want to avoid 'no bomb' or 'NBNM'. There's a lot of difficult shit but they give you a million resources.

Though the screen flipping is not as hard as everyone says it is. Just something you gotta get used to.

>>11823992
Without bombs: EoSD hard, if not harder.
With bombs: easier than TD.

Does /jp/ play a lot of traditional STGs?

>>11825769
define traditional. I love me some Gradius but I usually play stuff like Akai Katana.

>>11825790
Games with environmental elements, hazards larger than the size of a bullet and scoring systems not focused on bullet manipulation. Non-bullet hells basically.

I asked this on /vr/ but nobody answered and the thread there seems kinda shitty anyway. I'm looking for games with huge, non-static hazards (i.e. they change every run).

>>11825825
play subterranean animism okuu has huge bullets and rocks are falling in stage 1

>>11825825
http://shmups.system11.org

Are there any good android STGs?

>>11816325
I'm one of these people and that spell is still shit.
The fact alone that that there is no other capture of it as Sanae on the internet, because there's no point to using anyone but Youmu (Youmu can attack both Seiga and Yoshika at once) is bad enough, but the point about thuderballs' completely walling you with bad RNG still stands, made infinitely worse by how long the spell is. At least the Lunatic version feels like a joke now, so that'll help a lot with my consistency in Hard runs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRBxEnFD9UY&hd=1

Moving on to another slew of attempts at 1cc Hard, in which I surprisingly make some progress. The only real problem to iron is stage 4, which is a grand champion of UFO tokens that are unreachable without bombing and the entire Nue drop bullshit I might just settle on solving by pause-buffering.
In case some of you guys didn't do so yet, give a try to Boss Rush patches to SA and UFO:
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14744.0.html
http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,14341.0.html
Not only they help immensely with the bosses in two hardest installments, but are very fun on their own right. Oh, and also Satori all-card rush :v.

>>11829133
>I'm one of these people and that spell is still shit.
>attempts at 1cc Hard

No, you're not one of these people. For more information, refer to >>7744112

The reason there aren't many Sanae captures on the internet is since not many people like to play TD in the first place, and from those few, only a couple tend to use Sanae. (And most of us don't find a single O.D. capture worthwhile enough to make a note online of, two and half years after the initial release of TD)

Also, I can say that the spellcard certainly wasn't meant for Youmu, after testing her out and noticing that she can essentially break the spell, making it pale in comparison to the regular version. Also, I remember not having trouble with that attack when I captured all of the spells in TD, and I was using Reimu.

>>11829133
>I'm one of these people and that spell is still shit.
>Moving on to another slew of attempts at 1cc Hard
Haha.

>The fact alone that that there is no other capture of it as Sanae on the internet
You're an idiot.

>the point about thuderballs' completely walling you with bad RNG still stands
That's like saying streaming yourself into a corner with no escape is bad RNG.

>made infinitely worse by how long the spell is
Oh no, 30 seconds with the shittiest shot type.


Do we have a new Learning-disability-kun.

>>11829411
the ddp sperg is the only learning disability sama I know.

>nearly 100 hours grinding save states
>still only seen the second loop twice

>>11829732
There used to be a person on /jp/, who spent innumerable hours on IN Hard, playing Marisa solo only.

He never could clear IN Hard on Marisa, and blamed it on a learning disability. /jp/ nicknamed him Learning-disability-kun (or Marisa solo-guy)

The same person nowadays has over 5 billions of score in IN Lunatic.

>>11829876
How did he get so good? I thought those who were bad could never become high level players, that's how I always feel whenever I'm the one playing. Like I can't improve at all.

>>11829399
Whichever info you wanted to post has been deleted. And it's nice that you didn't have problems with it. It's not unheard of to get lucky and beat the harder patterns without losing any hair over it, or better yet, approach it on a good day and clear easily. Other times, you try for hours and hours for no avail. It's a fact of life.

>>11829907
Sheer perseverance, I suppose. It's actually refreshing to know that beating your head against the wall will evertually pay off sooner or later. Which is the reason I picked up DS on the side - not only makes you better at dodging patterns in general, but is rather fun in a masochistic way. Maybe save for Satori, she's both particularly unfun and difficult.

>>11829399
>And most of us don't find a single O.D. capture worthwhile enough to make a note online of
You do realize that every player has different standards and considers different things a notable achievement? If people were not allowed to feel satisfaction from their early Normal clears, no one would even try of aiming higher, because there's no point if you don't have fun. Plus I believe posting achievements is the purpose of this thread.

So I just started playing Touhou and I can barely clear the stages on easy. I finally managed to finish Imperishable Night the other day on easy with the Reimu team. Should I give up now, or will I eventually get better?

>>11829997
Everyone is terrible at first (although, not usually quite that bad). There's a high chance that you're missing out on some essential gameplay mechanics that'll help you greatly; do some research, read the wiki or watch some replays of it so that you can see what you're doing wrong.

Anecdotes:
No one should play Normal. People should just grind lunatic, on average a new player should make it to the 4th stage in most games. Then they would try Hard mode to discover it's a lot easier, maybe making it to the last stage. Normal is way too easy.

This is my average experience, anyone who plays normal and cannot beat it without no deaths+ no bombs should feel bad. I also only use Marisa B and in later game Youmu (doesn't matter which one). I tried using Reimu A+B and managed to lunatic clear most games.(homing amulets are OP)

>>11829997
You make me sick, try a harder difficulty or you will never get better.

>>11830007
>>11830012
Sounds fun. Maybe I'll try normal tonight and see if I can beat it. It wouldn't be so bad if I didn't go into full panic mode every time there's more than 10 bullets on the screen.

>>11830012
That's a very bad idea. Not only you won't be able to even notice how you were supposed to dodge most stuff, but the gameplay will become extremely repetitive and the newcomer won't even get to later girls and BGMs he could hype over. Not to mention it's not an option at all in MoF-UFO with the continue system. And also, 1cc Normal will unlock the Extra stage, which are both difficult enough to make you better and memorizable enough to make constant progress.
Beating Ran 4 years ago was the widest leap in my shmup career, as I moved away from Easy/Normal and pretty much started playing Hard exclusively except in SA/UFO and barely made progress since ;_;.

>>11830012
A player completely new to Touhou on Lunatic should make it to ST5 no continues at least. This is the bare minimum of competence that I expect in the Western community, we're a lot better than we were back in '07 or 08.

>>11830054
I assume the average player has experience with at least STGs or some Western bullet hells, how the hell won't you be able to learn to dodge? I noticed it quite easily.

>The newcomer won't even get to later girls and BGMs he could hype over.
I don't like how you say this. I want people to suffer and not enjoy things. I want to say casual, and It looks like I just did.

>hard
>misusing surprise text.
ehhhh, I don't like you. No offense.

>>11830062
Well that's great, good thing I started sooner.
I also have high expectation of the western community.

>>11830099
>I assume the average player has experience with at least STGs or some Western bullet hells.
The thing is, Touhou *is* the very first STG for thousands of people drawn in by the setting, themes or characters. More often than not, a newcomer *will* have the "holy fuck, people actually play those things!?" reaction. This is the very reason Easy Mode exists, to give people some entry-level danmaku and it helps to move away from secondary stuff to actual canon.

>I noticed it quite easily.
Good for you.

>>11830122
The average person from here should be better.
I don't care about anyone else.

How the hell can this be someone's first STG?

At the very least I expect people have played 1942,Raiden,Gradius, etc. Hell even Galactica.

Bullet hell I understand, still It annoys me someone could have such little experience with games.

>>11830099
>ehhhh, I don't like you. No offense.
Don't worry. We don't like you either.
Also your advice is shit and you know it deep down.

>>11830205
>we
Nice speaking for everyone.

Having expectations of people is bad now? Not everyone sucks you know?

>>11830205
I'm sorry, but Lunatic is the standard difficulty these days. If you don't like the tradition of looking down on lesser difficulty levels, you can just go away.

>>11830234
>Lunatic is the standard difficulty these days
Nice speaking for everyone.

> If you don't like the tradition of looking down on lesser difficulty levels, you can just go away.
Go ahead, show us your NBNDs. I'm sure you're far above mere entry-level Lunatic players, being so confident and all.

WASD+JKL or SpaceASD+numpad for shot/bomb etc?

I'm comfortable enough with WASD, but if it isn't optimal, I'll gladly switch to SpaceASD. I can't use the arrow keys.

>>11830424
SpaceASD with Space-A-S-D as focus-shot-bomb-freeze/trance and numpad movement? Don't think that's good, considering how high your left hand will be all the time and that you'll have to constantly tap focus with your thumb. And if you mean *movement* with SpaceASD, that's even worse xD.

Go with WASD+JKL. It's pretty much default ArrowShiftZXC config, except reversed and with shorter focus button.

>>11830243
Not him but there are a couple of NDNB runs from /jp/. Not that survival play is impressive or anything.

>>11830811
As opposed to score play? Never really got the appeal - I *did* take part in some obscure tournaments that involved score (along with other things like time orb amount or lives left), but never tried my hand at actually posting anything on a scoreboard, because I stand no chance to actually beat any record. What keeps you or other people actually playing for score?

>>11830914
>because I stand no chance to actually beat any record
Why start scoring with the mindset of trying to beat a record? Shouldn't you eventually try to beat it by gradually learning each and every part of the game?
>What keeps you or other people actually playing for score?
Because we enjoy a game enough to learn it's intricacies beyond survival play.

>>11830914
Playing for score makes me feel like shit. I know I'll always end up on the bottom of any scoreboard, even if I try my hardest. It's sad.

>>11829907
He was practicing wrong. He was trying to memorize the games instead of learning how to dodge bullets. He started hanging out with IRC, they yelled at him a lot, and then he started improving.

>>11829972
>Whichever info you wanted to post has been deleted.
I referred you to a thread from Autumn 2011. It'd be a small wonder had it not been deleted. Most people would've used the archive, though.

>It's not unheard of to get lucky and beat the harder patterns without losing any hair over it
I'm not claiming I was completely unlucky or anything, but almost everything you've this far claimed about the pattern is wrong. It's not very much a luck-based attack as it is a rhythm game along with some laser sight-reading.

>Other times, you try for hours and hours for no avail. It's a fact of life.
We live by different "facts of life" then.

>I picked up DS on the side - not only makes you better at dodging patterns in general, but is rather fun in a masochistic way. Maybe save for Satori, she's both particularly unfun and difficult.
But 9-7 is the best spell in DS, and actually good for practicing panic dodging. Two of her other attacks are memorization, and the third one is a simple gimmick as far as I remember.

>>11830012
wow so hardcores

/jp/ I have a problem: Over the last year, I have played a couple things. Most notably game overing all the time in every game I played on lunatic. Like PoDD. Or PoDD and PoDD. As well as PoDD

In short: How do I stop being bad at PoDD? Please help me. I want to see the credits with a fresh and nice feeling of beating it (with a nice score. Maybe 100m)

>>11831200
How do I dodge bullets? Do I need to join IRC to be good too? I'd rather not join IRC, but I've done it in the past to force myself to improve at other games.

One thing I've noticed is that no matter how shit I think the community on IRC will be, it always feels like it gets somewhat better when I can find people around my (shitty) skill level.

>>11832754
Play the character with "yuri" in her name. /u/ agreed, don't bother them about it.

>>11832841
You don't need to join IRC in order to get good, but they can help. #kusoplay on irc.rizon.net is the most active channel for STG's at the moment, I think.

>>11832933
> Play the character with "yuri" in her name. /u/ agreed, don't bother them about it.

I already am. Chiyuri best girl.

>>11830453
yes, I meant movement with spaceASD. This control setup seemed optimal since all of my fingers are on all movement keys at once. Not to mention, quite a few higher level EU players use this control setup. It's awkward as hell though, and extremely difficult for me to get used to. WASD comes much more naturally, but it feels like I'm at a disadvantage.

>>11832841

Whats with the chance/weighting on finding new/extra specific spell cards on Hisouten?

Played through arcade mode with Suika, time and time again, but I cant seem to get any more Oni Spirit Bombs.

Two years pass and I'm still staggering below 400.

There's no real excuse, it's just bad and hasn't been given the attention it would require.

Goddamn, this shit right here should have been a last word spell; it's taken more effort to do than those so far anyways.

Shit gave me PTSD

>>11833417
Try timing out SFN with the ultra patch

submission for the challenge. Sloppy scoring, ~PERFECT~ survival
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=31972

>>11833606
>~PERFECT~
Stop that.

>>11833636

You stop. Mocking the term "perfect" should be encouraged until people stop using it.

>>11835397
Using the word ironically with caps lock and fancy tildes isn't required, and only makes you look like dumb kids.

Just notify people whenever they use the word at all, that's all you need to do.

are there even any good pad players in na? some sperglord I'm talking to keeps saying that pad is viable and I want to prove him wrong

>>11836273
>are there even any good players in na
No.

>>11836469
right, aren't all of the good players in the west EU, Canada, or Mexico?

>>11836818
No, there are no good players in the west.

>>11836273
I know at least one talented canadian who exclusively plays on a pad. I assume that by NA you are including canada, not just the USA

>>11786574
I own that keyboard! Well, until it stopped working after I tipped some OE into it
I miss it

I tried getting away with playing a quick round of EoSD in public, and now I can't go back to this one cafe I liked because the baristas saw me playing and thought I was some hardcore gamer...

>>11818171
I'm new to the game, and even I don't lose lives to Rumia on normal.

>>11837133
Cactu, chumlum, Waah, Aizo, Zil, denpa and Nereid. All of them are active, and in my opinion good players. Some people may expand a bit to some more mediocre player like Zengeku, Sakurei or ElDestructoe, but not everyone in the west actually sucks. Sorry to disappoint.

>>11837849
> Nereid
> active
> good

>>11837849
the best players in the west dont play shite like 2hu

>>11838100
but naut and jaimers play 2hu

>>11837849
Aizo isn't from the West, and doesn't play much Touhou anymore. Nereid doesn't play Touhou anymore. Zengeku plays once a week and then whines the following six days about how bad he is. Same thing with Sakurei, but with more results. Waah seems to have become too inactive to achieve anything. Eldestructoe had potential to grow into a good player, but he plays IIDX around the clock now. Zil plays some neverheard PC-98 shit nobody but his fanclub on #kusoplay cares about. He's good at the games he plays, though.

Cactu, chumlum and Denpa are good.

>>11838270
Naut reads yuri manga around the clock, hasn't played Touhou for a long while. Jaimers is a good shmup player, but barely plays Touhou due to his dislike of the scoring systems in the series.

>>11838280
>inactive to achieve anything
Not like I achieved anything to begin with! Eld needs to stop playing iidx.

As far as the western touhou community goes, there's basically 3 ranks: The naturally talentented god tier players like yakamino leeeep Sakurei Wriggle_ Zengeku Meimei Yosh_ Sydolfas Bananamatic Waah Neue LimD and Adamar.

Some pretty good lunatic players such as Lightning55 Quotes ehhhhh godzilla Vanhaomena Anya Nowa Ranmilia tomkola dongbot trout-kun zaarock genderSOLID Steveroxyou kits myon_myon NanaNana trap15 memori tomko_m dxk

and then there are the shit-tier scrubs who don't score like Withhelde-chan luizsan Thanuris niviv chumlum_ cactu Shimatora ikamusume Splicer tomko.

someone please namedrop me

>>11838298
I agree, Eld should play more MoF.

please can we just myon

myon

>>11838325
myong

>>11838305
As far as the western touhou community goes, there's basically 2 ranks: Adamar and the rest, in that order.

>>11838334
drmdr pls strm

>>11838305
where the HELL are Heartbeam, dotASP, Baity, Erppo, SP, Phar, Krim and Kefit?

>Bananamatic
He goes in the "good lunatic players" field.

>trap15
What

Can we just delete this whole thread.

>>11838325
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=31989

>>11838342
Kefit goes into the shittier scrub who doesn't even score category.

Anyone scoring UFO here?

who ketsui here

buttrider

who homu here

>>11838367
homu homu

>>11838342
>where the HELL are Heartbeam, dotASP, Baity, Erppo, SP, Phar, Krim and Kefit
In the graveyard.

>>11838363
Not for the longest time, but I'll be up for discussion in case you have something on your mind. I'd have to reinstall the game and watch some modern replays in order to give any actual insight, though. Maybe I will, depending on how sleepy I feel once your reply arrives

>>11838375
It was a joke, sorry. Nobody is interested in Normal, especially if you're going for a shitty route. Ichirin's 3rd nonspell supergraze just goes over my head. Doubt I will ever attempt to build consistency with it.

>>11838375
erppo is playing dodonpachi

>>11838380
did he get that 2all yet

>>11838377
>Nobody is interested in Normal
What. Normal (especially stage practice) goes a long way with a certain few players on /jp/. I suppose all activity has long since stopped, but some of the people are still around here to offer a few words or replays if asked nicely.

>going for a shitty route
Well, "shitty route" has the positive side that it is easier to improve than a good route. I can't say much else without more information.

>Ichirin's 3rd nonspell supergraze just goes over my head
Isn't that the new wonky-looking thing with difficult movement? If you have, as you say, a "shitty route", the first thing you need to look for certainly isn't a difficult high-end trick. There are many other attacks to be grazed in an easier way in the game, and idle grazing during stages also plays a role in the scoring for this game.

Oh, but if you don't want to discuss, I won't push the matter any further. I'll look forward to hear more of your process in the threads, though.

>>11838409
Will post a screenshot whenever I PB.

>>11838342
.asp plays in secret
erppo plays other shmups
everyone else is DEAD

Are chinese players western?

>>11838471
yes

>>11838488
wat

>>11838471
http://www.ask.com/question/what-hemisphere-is-china-in

>>11838471
everyone is western except you're living at the north- or southpole, you can just to west and reach everyone

the name drop thread

I will never beat any higher level players. Why did you have to make me feel like shit again, /jp/?

At least I'm still improving somewhat. After months of grinding, I finally saw the final stage of Raiden Fighters Jet, which probably would have taken a normal person only a couple of weeks. ;_;

>>11837849
>Sakurei
>mediocre
He has like 4 western records, 3 of which are in the hardest scoring category. Not only that, he got them (as well as an overall world record) after unimaginably short play times. He's definitely a Western superplayer amongst the ranks of people like chumlum, cactu and denpa.

>>11838861
Sakurei also reached the second loop in three or four days of playing ddp, fucking ridiculous. I almost killed myself after seeing that.

Sakurei is the best player I know.
He sucks at dodging bullets but he is a lovely fluffy guy with a nice flat chest and I love him dearly.

>>11838280
>Zengeku plays once a week and then whines the following six days about how bad he is

Wow! That's racist! You don't even know the circumstances mang. That guy is so awesome that he gets 1MNB runs despite only playing once a week. Imagine the results he could get by ditching his laptop keyboard for a mechanical and playing the whole week ;3

More importantly, he is not only a great superplayer, he is also the Messiah of all Lolicons who got banned for our sins.

Truly a great guy. I hope he notices me some day :(

>>11838930
Fuck off Zengeku.

>>11838916
According to him he actually did that on his first try ever at the game.

pls no bully

你们都是太弱人了。我觉得你们不能看敌方的子弹!

>>11838989
No!

I cleared SA extra today, /jp/. It was satisfying.

>>11839029
Good. Now do it with Marisa.

>>11839033
I used Marisa A.

Delete this thread, OP.

>>11838987
And he calls himself bad. Surely it's because he completely disregarded the scoring system to get a cheesy 2-ALL on his very first try with C-S. How did he handle Hibachi?

>>11839029
恭喜你！古明地恋是很性感女孩。我不能战斗她当思考她的屁股时了
可是这没有问题，恋是女色狼。

>>11839069
>2-ALL
>first try
That is bullshit.

>>11839083
Probably just meant 1-all that loops anon-kun

>>11838861
Whenever someone starts suddenly achieving good scores in new categories to them without much time / effort, and declines from streaming or providing any live recording even though their Internet connection should be well capable of it I become suspicious.

>>11838963
If you can't post on /jp/ without using emoticons along your every other sentence, just don't post at all.

>>11839083
It can't be bullshit. Touhou players are a step above your average STG player. Sure, they might never play for score, but their ability to do challenges such as LNMNBNBB and LNMNBNV have hardened them for other STGs. Second loops? Those are nothing, especially if the godlike player in question is using a strong shot type like C-S.

If he tried, chaining the first and second loop would be easy for him.

>>11839083

maybe for you casual plebs

You idiots have no idea what you are talking about

>Phantasmagoria of Flower View
>Higanbana

Is there a harder final boss?

>>11839787
stage 1 of PoDD, any difficulty

>>11839500

del

I just started playing Soku today. It's a load of fun, but I plan to main Sakuya right now.

I've heard people think she's really annoying. Is she like Marth in Melee where it's just a pain in the ass to play against and you should feel bad for using this character, or is she just good?

>>11839927
PoDD isn't really THAT hard, to be honest. It just takes a lot of getting used to, other than that it's like any other Touhou game.

yatta

>>11840626

Congratulations on your yatta!

Wriggle is a girl!

>>11839415
iirc he streamed his WR. He also streamed SA a couple times (like 2 or 3 times). The WR was also an overall better run than his finalB score, which would also mean that that one's reasonable. That leaves his IN extra score. The run is solid. But that's about it. He doesn't go anything super hard, the stage route is bad (bad cancels, bomb for PoC...), he didn't even last the full timer on the first nonspell, doesn't graze Hourai Doll. The most remarkable thing is that he captured all spellcards, which might as well have been dumb luck. I don't know how much he played that stage, but it doesn't seem like something really suspicious if you ask me. As of now, he hasn't really shown anything that warrants concern.

Funnily enough, his PoDD runs are probably the most suspicious ones. he never talks about how the plays it, never streams or records it and he's pulled out a run that is inferior to only Zil's runs (I know it's third highest for Chiyuri, but a game over vs a clear and only 1m difference means Sakurei's run was overall better, but he didn't have the endurance to live through Yumemi). So if you want to be suspicious about him, do it for this game.

>>11840626
mata yatta (same guy)

>>11841029
>>11840626
Why the hell are you posting normal runs?

>>11841047
it's for the thread challenge. Please be nice

>>11841071
Okay, I just don't think they're challenging themselves with such an easy run.

>>11841073
one man's challenge is another man's breakfast. Also, they might have just been trying to get a submission in before the thread hit the bump limit.

>>11768814
>there are no replies

>>11841073
It could have been a run on easy mode.

>>11840937
I won't argue this with you here any further Sakurei, as the /jp/ STG threads are bad enough as they are currently. Everyone can draw their own conclusions of others acts, when there is no solid proof available. You shouldn't care of one deluded persons opinion in a place you hardly ever visit.

please stop talking about players behind their backs. If you want to fight, talk to them on IRC not on the internet and see what happens

>>11840806
actually this is provably false
my dad works at BOO!

>>11840047
People who browse these threads tend not to play the fighting games much, or at least they rarely come up in conversation. There used to be soku threads on /jp/, maybe if you start one you can attract the old guard

>>11841096
it's a good game and it costs like $5 at gamestop
go buy it

>>11841073

post your are scores

>>11840047
Fighting against Sakuya is really frustrating. I can never find where to get out of any of her blockstrings, and I suck too much to punish whiffed 3A's. The only damage I can get is when she fucks up a string and I can BE out to punish her. It's alright though, the only time fighting Sakuya gets annoying is when it's a top level player who has the same personality as her.

>>11841231
>gamestop
>muh misused quote feature

>>11842069
New thread here. Don't shit it up with celebrity gossip

>>11840047
Sakuya is not broken and just maining her won't let you defeat veterans. She *is* head and shoulders above most of the cast (http://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Diagram)), but her worst shit is 623 (safe, easy to punish escapes with, denies melee and can be repeated mid-air) and Killing Doll on wakeup (guaranteed guard crushes for dirt-cheap spell card), both of which require skills to properly utilize. She's actually pretty bad in shit-tier players' hands. Since my sparring partner abuses her advantages like no tommorow, I did a small write-up on why is she so annoying:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TierInducedScrappy
High Tiers > Fighting Games > bottom of the section

Of course, Hisoutensoku is not really well balanced, so not only Sakuya is not well-liked in high-level gameplay - gotta love Remilia's crossups or corner pressure of Yuyuko and Reisen (the latter of which I sub to match my main of mid-low tier but extremely fun to play Sanae).

Do you guys play in a small window or full screen?

>>11842507
when I was going for my first normal 1cc, I played fullscreen to see the gaps between the bullets better. When I started streaming, I had to play windowed to read the chat. I've tried going back to fullscreen a couple of times, but I find that it's actually detrimental since nowadays I'm looking all over the screen, and playing fullscreen means that I have to move my eyes further.

>>11842276
>tvtropes

Ok, I beat easy. Will everyone stop laughing at me for being bad now?

>>11770347
I have that fig.

>>11777998
PoFV with Aya is also pretty easy on Lunatic.

>>11843409
congrats man

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=32026

Was extremely frustrating, but I finally beat stage 3 of SA on lunatic NMNB. Wind Blowing Down From Mt. Onoe or whatever is scary as shit, sometimes it just wants to kill you, got lucky this time sorta. Also tried with Patchouli and Suika, probably coulda beaten with Patchouli but Yukari it is.