/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Anno is a sellout otaku

>>11528475

i'm a sellout otaku. anno is a otaku sellout.

the difference is very important, please get it right!

>>11528472
A professional can be an otaku.
An otaku can't be a professional.
An otaku could be an expert.

>>11528492
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>>11528492
I'd wager the difference is who is giving the money and the who is taking it

>>11528493
>A professional can be an otaku.
>An otaku can't be a professional.
That's conflicting. At what point does it change?

Is it about the motivation? I see the motivation as the factor that determines whether you are "otaku" or doing it for some other reason. If you honestly enjoy something for the sake of that thing, the obsess about it, you are an otaku of that thing. This can continue into a career, I guess. It's also why social otaku are false otaku. But aren't you essentially the same otaku whether you've been forced into gathering information and material for a job or if you've hobbied your way into it?

>>11528493
>A professional can be an otaku.
>An otaku can't be a professional.
How does this work?

>>11528504
I'm assuming he means that a professional can have otaku be a sub set of what he is, while someone with otaku as their super set can not have being a professional be sub set of it.

No, because nobody enjoys their job. You might enjoy your ice cream tasting job for the first month or two, but that'll soon go. It's called the ``hedonic treadmill''.

You can only truly enjoy something if you aren't obligated to do it. This is why so many otaku are NEETs instead of animators, and why otaku-turned-animators all wish they were NEETs.

>>11528504
>>11528527
Any CS majors can solve this conundrum?

Given as example: the classic Train Otaku

Perhaps he can tell you what train is coming down the track by the sound. Maybe he knows how all of the train bits fit together to make each train, can identify them all, knows every line's logo and all that.

Against a railroad professional who can do the same thing.

What differentiates them, aside from their motivation?

The otaku does not benefit anyone aside from himself, though he does promote knowledge on trains, so maybe he does benefit some people in some way. The professional is making a living. They both might happily discuss trains just the same, as most people discuss their careers often.

>>11528532
Why do they enjoy it when it doesn't benefit anyone? I wonder if it's about niche social value in the end for even the most otaku of otaku.

>>11528541
And if it is about niche social value then a career is just the same, isn't it?

Are otaku failed professionals? Are they separated by their lack of ability?

>>11528541
I've met train otaku (well, anoraks). They never seem to be interested in becoming conductors or train surveyors or anything like that. What they want to do is more academic, they want to watch trains and record them in their logbooks.

I don't know. It's kind of like the difference between a sports fan and a sports player. Sports fans rarely want to becoming players, and the players don't know anywhere near as much as the fans.

This always strikes me as a weird phenomenon. For example, there are mathematicians who love doing complicated puzzles just for the heck of it, or computer programmers who like writing challenging computer programs. Yet there are real world challenges and puzzles being solved ineffectively by comparatively more normal (and arguably less skilled) people. I'm sure they hire bright graduates and experienced workers, but I've never heard of some mathematical savant trying to fix the economy or some company's failing stock portfolio.

A lot of obsessive (and legitimately autistic) people's talents are pretty much going to waste.

>>11528552
The mathematical savants who don't go into academia are being hired by financial firms which profit from companies' failing stock portfolios and failing economies.

>>11528552
it's not weird at all
the autistms just don't see any meaningful purpose in what society is currently doing. that's why they come to /jp/. it makes sense to me

>>11528558
>coming to /jp/ in search of purpose
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>>11528561
I mena that you either participate in society or go on /jp/. there's no third option. having no purpose is better than working for something that are against... right?

woah woah maybe I'm just looking at the map upside down

>>11528504
A square can be a rectangle, but a rectangle cannot be a square.

>>11528642
That’s not comparable at all. This is separate qualities in a human we’re talking about, not geometric shapes.
Fuk ofe.

>>11528642
That's still conflicting.
If a square can be a rectangle, and a rectangle can be a square, then a square can be a square. If you say that a rectangle can't be a square, then it implies that a square can not be a square, which is a contradiction.

I think the distinction you are trying to make here is:
All professionals can be otaku
Not all otaku can be professionals.
Likewise:
All squares are rectangles
Not all rectangles are squares.

>>11528642
Those are defined shapes. It's much more structured than the definition of otaku. As above referenced, is Anno otaku?

>>11528648
It's pretty comparable there just isn't really a line in this case. What defines the otaku category and when is it left? When it's left, does it become professional? A square could grow a little bit and become a rectangle but if a rectangle grows it just becomes a bigger rectangle.

>>11528663
Even then not all professionals are otaku.

>>11528561

I came to /jp/ in search of enlightenment, but I found something better.

>>11528668
All professionals can be otaku
Not all otaku can be professionals

>>11528668
Even then not all professionals are otaku.

I hope for your sake that English is your second language.

>>11528674
I grasp at the flaw inside of the square-rectangle analogy. I work from inside the computer book.

>>11528674

So:

Let the set of Otaku = O
Let the set of Professionals = S

The set of Professional Otaku is
Q = {x | (x \in O) and (x \in S)}

Q can, but does not necessarly = S
and
O != Q

Feel free to improve it, I care more about notation than arguing.

>>11528699
Yes, that makes it very clear. So here you can see the distinction between otaku/professionals and squares/rectangles. Squares are completely part of rectangles: no squares are not-rectangles. Otaku and professionals can be an otaku, a professional, or they can be both.

Thanks for enumerating that.

>>11528721
squares are most definitely rectangles moron, it's rectangles that aren't squares

>>11528472
Isn't this basically the opposite of a NEET thread?

>>11528699

Q = { x | (x ∈ O) ∧ (x ∈ S)　}

Otaku interest is about things you can get.
Vocational call is about things you van give.
In principle they do are different things, but can overlap.

Otaku interest is about things you can get.
Vocational call is about things you can give.
In principle they do are different things, but can overlap.

Cute picture OP.

>>11528674
>All professionals can be otaku
>Not all otaku can be professionals
This is still retarded.

I just can't bring myself to respect EETs

Otaku has nothing to do with your profession. It's a mindset.

If you dedicate your life to creating material that you enjoy, I don't think it matters. It must be a western thing to describe and classify everyone into specific social niches.

>>11529581
I'm in education now and I was afraid to come on /jp/ because of that

I even tried to care about my appearance and hanging out with people and shit

but you know what, fuck this shit
im otaku and hikki at heart and even if im attending uni that fact won't change !!!

i-if that's okay with you, /jp/..I-I mean...

>>11530056
Playing by the rules of /jp/ would be conformist anyway. Being like every other stereotypical otaku makes one just a different variety of normal. The most anti-normie you can be is to have a successful career and maintain a great appearance while shunning social interaction and filling your life with hobbies that contradict your outward image.

NEET otaku are just otaku because they're NEETs with nothing better to do. They'd end up quitting their hobbies as soon as they got a chance to be a normal.

Is this the EET thread?

>>11528472
Can a professional be called a geek? Someone in the industry of their obsession?

Is there a line?

>>11530193
>They'd end up quitting their hobbies as soon as they got a chance to be a normal.
This post is wrong in so many ways I wish you'd trip on your shoelaces.

this little bitch made his own original character and is now dubbed a 'japanese cultural expert', i don't get it.
makes money off of other peoples work as well.

I'd never want a job related to my hobbies, that would be no fun and overwhelming.
On the other hand I have a lob that I love, I'm also passionned about it but in a completly different way. I want to give, with otaku stuff I just want to take.

>>11530193
>NEET otaku are just otaku because they're NEETs with nothing better to do. They'd end up quitting their hobbies as soon as they got a chance to be a normal.

>>11530193
Thats not true and you know that.

Her face seems really familiar but I just can't remember the name of this character.

>>11530703
isnt it the shark boy from that gay swimming show?

i'm science otaku. I'm in a STEM field in college.

>>11530193
I like how you blurt all this shit out because its convenient to yourself

There are more college normie kids on /jp/ than neets