/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>11341712
dead

i would just find some other hobbies to scratch my autistic itch.

I go on with my bent normalfag ways

i might've actually learned japanese by now.

>>11341712
>If /jp/ and 4chan didn't exist, how would your life be different?

Assuming by 4chan you mean imageboards period, it would be a lot different. The later part of my teenage years have been filled with imageboard cultural enrichment, I have been exposed to many of the typical imageboard user's doctrines, elitism, knowledge, hobbies, and otherwise thoughts. Many of which have rubbed off on me.

It has no doubt helped me become as detached from society and incompatible with people as I am.

I've picked up hobbies because of it.

I've learned a lot, particularly relating to social psychology.

I hate things and people I didn't before.

I like things I wouldn't have before.

I believe it has made me a more bitter person.

>What would you be doing right now if you never discovered touhou or VN?

No different whatsoever.

>>11341744
faget

I would probably still be playing RO, probably still frequenting Yahoo Answers.
Thank you, /jp/.

I can't imagine my life without them. I really can't, and I don't know how anyone could.

I'd be posting at Gamefaqs a lot more. I might have used Reddit. I was still a big forum user before using 4chan. Now I can't stand them anymore. I appreciate my anonymity

I'd probably have finished my undergraduate degree by now.

>>11341772
I shit up Yahoo Answers for a couple of years. Mods were on my dick and disabled my accounts within a few hours of creating them. Those were fun times.

No because I'm not some 15 year old.

What would life be like without the internet being a huge part of it?

>>11341957
What if we're inside the internet?

I'd whip my dick out and tell em' to sit wherever

Maybe i would be on some other forum. A really shitty one too.

>>11341712

It's hard to say. I've spent 1/3 of my entire life browsing this site daily. I'm so far in that I can't really see myself as a person without it. I'd probably be a normalshit doing drugs and working at a shit job. 4chan has changed me in a very good way; I'm very thankful I found this place.

4chan has shaped my view of computer and the internet to such a degree that I don't remember much of what I did before I found it.

I probably would be a completly different person. Probably a better one.

>>11341957
I would be a shrine maiden

I would still be a loser with no friends.

I hardly even play Touhou or VN. Most of my time is wasted on /jp/. Actually, if /jp/ and 4chan didn't exist, I would probably play more games like Touhou. I've always liked shooting games.

>>11341822
Check your anonymity privilege.

4chan has given me standards. Without 4chan, I'd be less self-reflective. While it might have fueled my social reclusion, the loneliness and subsequent emergence out into the world has shaped me into something better than what I might have been.
Thank you, /jp/.

I didn't discovered touhou and VNs in 4chan.

Dude, before 4chan there were things like usenet

which, aside from the cost and the amount of spam and cp, were actually kinda better since they weren't being run by some dudes trying to muscle in on being the internet elite.

>>11341744
fag

>>11341744
faggot

>>11341712
I might have a girlfriend now i guess

4chan has actually taught me quite a lot of stuff. Most of it good.

And all the posts made for good practice at being witty.

I would probably be in some horrible relationship with a girl that stresses me out instead of a loving transexual relationship with my bf.

Changed my way of thinking completely, and I'm thankful for it.
>What would you be doing right now
I'd probably be one of those normalshits that go out and party every day.

I would chat online with more people and go on "so funny" sites.

Focusing more on regular games, anime and manga, wouldn't be that different.

I would be playing videogames.

I would have over ten thousand hours of DotA playtime logged.

>What would you be doing right now if you never discovered touhou or VN?
Videogames/semi-normal.
The thing that got me into all of this shit in the first place was me playing RuneScape years ago. Things escalated fast after that.

Playing video games and enjoying anime and manga. 4chan ruined them for me.

I imagine i'd find rape doujins less arousing

All my previous virtues and views on things got completely wrecked because of 4chan. This shit is like a brainwashing machine.

It would be worse

now if computers didn't exist it would have been better

>>11341712
>If /jp/ and 4chan didn't exist, how would your life be different?
I'd have to type another URL in my browser to post anonymously on some VN-related board, that's all.

>What would you be doing right now if you never discovered touhou or VN?
I'd be more into light novels and j-music probably, because that's what anime watchers evolve into eventually.

I honestly think I'd be dead. If not, I'd be coasting along in a miserable haze of depression as I lived my life before five years ago.

Touhou and Type-Moon brought me to the most important thing in my life. (And no, it's not Touhou and Visual Novels in their entirety.)

>>11342077
This.

I'm going to be 30 this year, and I'm still a NEET living with my mum, I'm not ready to suicide yet, but, I feel any chance of ever having a life is hopeless, what do?
Please /jp/ I need your wisdom

>>11342083
And I would be a witch.

>>11343116
Become a wizard

>>11341712
>If /jp/ and 4chan didn't exist, how would your life be different?
I'd be more of a normal person, maybe i'd have friends, better career prospects, more involvement into politics.
>What would you be doing right now if you never discovered touhou or VN?
I would have discovered them eventually one way or another.

>>11343140
My sister is a wizard and it doesn't seem that great.

>>11343146
Fuck your sister so you become a warlock then.

>>11343154
I'm not the person you're talking to, I'm only 20.

And I lost my virginity to my boyfriend.

>>11343116
mind techniques-related stuff. like vipassana, and lucid dreaming.
and if you're totally hopeless that you can't do it/don't see the benefits, go to a vipassana retreat. it will change you.

bulletproof plan if you feel like killing yourself that will work immediately: ayahuasca.

>>11341712
I knew about Touhou and VNs before I frequented 4chan.

>>11343116
Get a job.
Associate with people at the job*
or
Go drink at the bar
Make buddies with the people there*
or
Get a socially acceptable hobby (Any sport is fine, anything that isn't associated with nerds is ok too)
Meet people at a club for said hobby*

*knowledge of stuff that is shown on TV (at least) is needed, being capable of interaction with people too, if you have a problem with the latter ask for medical help.

That's what i gathered from a thread on /b/, there was a lot more information there and some dude uploaded funny pictures with dicks, i saved it with chanthreadwatch, so i'll upload it for you, maybe it'll help.

I'd be browsing some random anime forums instead like I did before I found 4chan. Waiting hours and hours for a single reply to my threads hoping someone will pay attention to me ;_;

>>11343187
Maybe it would be better to associates with nerds first before going full-on normal. Like join a D&D group or something.

>>11343206
Or a /jp/ meetup?

>>11343218
I'm still not entirely convinced those are real.

>>11343228
PROOF

I would have done better in college, I wasted a lot of time playing vn like umineko and g-senjou and fapping to toehoes

I probably would have been just as much into drugs and such. Maybe even more. Maybe I would be dead right now from an overdose.

Maybe /jp/ saved a life.

being around normals is a fucking chore

>>11343228
/jp/ meetups are /a/ meetups in disguise

>>11343228

my dick can confirm they exist ;)

>>11343187
https://mega.co.nz/#!UodQDLaL!cLZZtkaWY8-fkZMnvCgqVH_bLSdJwv1rm_2OSaeuWCk
This was hard.

>>11341712
I would not be aroused by this image. There would be less mold in my apartment. I would be resting my head on pillows clad in Egyptian cotton cases instead of the filthy, pillowcaseless husks in the corner of my room. I would not feel the darkness behind me reaching out, I would not hear its incessant cries for my soul.

>>11343166
How do you learn about the vipassana stuff? I didn't find anything by googling it.

>>11343268
virus

>>11343166
Vipassana goes well with lucid dreaming. In my experience, you can lucid dream only if you're calm and true to yourself, and Vipassana helps immensely. Ditto, lucid dreaming can make you more awake when you stop sleeping, which can help for the Vipassana.

I'm deeply convinced that lucid dreaming and meditation is the same state of mind, only awake and sleeping. Two sides of the same coin.

its actually depressing to know that people on /jp/ only found out about touhou after 4chan was created, let alone finding out about it after /jp/ was made.

i dont even like touhou but thats just sad to me.

>>11343486
When did you find out about it, snowflake?

>>11343383
No, it isn't, it's just images and a html put into a zip.

I'd probably be stuck in my high school stage of listening to alt rock and being edgy. I'd probably have tattoos and piercings by now and I'd probably not be a virgin. I'd probably have more friends. I'd probably be more miserable.

>>11343508
Would you have a girlfriend or boyfriend?

>>11343166
ive done ayahuasca several times and it just screwed me up even more. now i'm hopless AND insane.

>life before 4chan or /jp/
>read ecchi/romance manga
>watch shounen anime
>play alot of mmorpg
>talk about games/anime/manga at school

>life after 4chan and /jp/
>read NTR manga alot
>watch SoL anime
>play /vn/ alot
>posting in a touhou thread everyday
>read about touhou on various sites everyday
>buy figs and anime dvd also
>work

shitty life

>>11343590
>>11343594
And why don't you buy anime BD?

>>11343590
How do you "play" a novel?

>>11343590
Whom are you quoting

>>11343611
Epic.

Nothing would change, I'm not even sure why I'm here in the first place.

>>11343187
>Get a job
Impossible, because nepotism/misconceived, arbitrary meritocracy. Superfluous tedium no intellectually competent individual could regard as engaging now tends to demand prerequisite references and a documented history of employment. A convincing demonstration of your total deference to notions of a menial corporate oblivion. Such positions also offer default preference to minority and female applicants; without the means to distinguish oneself in forms other than "I was born with an underrepresented pigment concentration" or "I successfully tended to stock at my local walmart for 2 years", an application to the service industry seems already decided.

The approach, process, and vocational endgame appear far too tedious to even begin. Will purchasing copious amounts of helium set off any federal triggers?

>>11343637
I think you don't have a job because you fail every interview you get.

>>11343647
I've yet to send out a single application. What I'm doing now is more along the lines of acknowledging my pending academic credential sees very little association with lucrative industrial fields, and the attendant pessimistic speculation. The purpose of the interview is to determine general social competence and to exchange information that couldn't have been transferred through indirect means. The objective, documented credentials are the primary, or at very least would be within any sane process, communicants of value.

>>11343684
Yeah, I wouldn't hire you either.

>>11343695
A fine arrangement. Killing oneself shall serve as a concise refutation of capitalism, don't you think?

>Me without 4chan
- Drug addict
- Possible violent criminal
- Liking pleb anime
- Maybe still scraping by in college

>Me with 4chan
- Glorious NEET master race
- Fluent in Japanese (can look down on EOPs)
- Got fit
- Found my prostate

I don't know how else I would be, given I found 4chan in 2006 in the middle of high school, and before that I was on YTMND and Kingdom of Loathing.

I'd be less intelligent, less happy, far less interesting person for certain. I've learned so much from sharing information and experiences here and on other such #chans.

> would definitely have been miserable throughout high school, maybe killing myself
> would never have self-taught trombone, didgeridoo, or have any musical interests
> would never have learned any C, Java, or ASP
> would never have learned anything about neurochemistry
> would never have invested in better clothes
> would never have pursued learning Japanese
> would probably buy pleb tier electronics that don't last more than 2 years

What the fuck are you making me think about, /jp/?

>>11343865
You sound like a horrible person...

Playing street fighter in old arcades in akihabara

>>11343835
>NEET
>Looking down on anyone.

Good stuff. Anyway without 4chan I'd be the same only I'd spend more time playing games rather than on the internet so really it would make fuck all difference.

>>11341744

>It has no doubt helped me become as detached from society and incompatible with people as I am.

So how is:

>I've learned a lot, particularly relating to social psychology.

...going to help you?

>>11343590
>>life before 4chan
>>life after 4chan

This looks better in a ragecomic

>>11341712
Before 4chan my life was already pointless and shit in general. I used internet forums and other stuff and would get into these arguments where I had to point out every single thing explicitly. Talking to others and pretending to be interested in stuff and friendly always seemed so fake and forced.

Around 2004-2006 I decided to hate everything and to delete all my accounts on everything. It was like a huge house cleaning but at the end of it I still felt like crap.

Around 2008 I started to force myself to change and actively like what I actually liked and invest time and money into it, and improve myself.

Without 4chan I wouldn't have been as calm, rational and accepting of stuff as I am now. I would have remained a hikikomori indefinitely, not take care of my health, and let my personal interests be affected by other people imposing their values on me. Without 4chan and /jp/ and /prog/ I possibly would have kept the job I eventually got for a few years.

I still wish I could go back though to a time before 4chan and do it all differently though. Make better use of my teenage and early 20's hikikomori years.

>>11342085
>I would still be a loser with no friends.
You're still a loser with no friends.

>>11343637
>>11343684
Stop blaming others for being a failure

Dead, I struggled with depression for 8 years and if it wasn't for this place I wouldn't have made it.

Touhou and VNs aren't a big deal. There are other interests and media.

But if /jp/ or 4chan didn't exist, I'd be in trouble. I would have become either a hikikomori or a normalfag. All in all, more ignorant, boring, typical.

>>11344323
Actually, VNs are important. They're accessible and yet can be more expressive than a book. It's really a godsend for amateurs, and people should utilize more of its potential.

>>11344313
Your welcome

>>11344353
VNs are less accessible then books. With books you simply start at the beginning and work your way to the end, while VNs constantly stop you to show you some silly drawing or have you make an inane choice that might prevent you from reaching the end. Not to mention that many make their story seem artificially longer by only allowing to read two lines at a time, making you constantly click over and over again. It's no wonder I never get around to finishing most of them.

Yeah...I probably would have killed myself at one point.

>>11344365
You're*

>>11341824
How old are you?

25yo super senior here.

>>11344381
you bastard, Chinami is the cutest little sister!

>>11344395
I'm not him, but I'm a 27 year old who is going to take the placement test any day now.

>>11344401
>I'm not him

Then why the fuck are you talking to me?

I don't know you.

>>11344421
You don't know him either.

>>11344395
21

Be fucked in another way. I am glad it didn't happen, I could have been a comic book geek or a brony. Touhou is a better fate than mlp

>>11344424
Owned.

>>11343116
Get a job, don't try to socialize, grinding all day for money actually makes more enjoyable and useful your time on your hobbies.

>>11344134
It won't?

What's your point.

I probably wouldn't be half the man I am today. It's true 4chan ruins your life in some aspects but self destruction is sometimes necessary for true development. I regret nothing.

>>11341712
>If /jp/ and 4chan didn't exist, how would your life be different?

I'd probably waste an equal amount of time per day on some shitty normalfag forum.

>>11341712
>If /jp/ and 4chan didn't exist, how would your life be different?
I don't think I am among the ones here who's had my life radically changed by 4chan. But still, I think it's mostly given me good things, aside from a lot of time probably wasted. I've become better at communicating, and better with dealing with people. I used to have a lot of anxiety problems when talking to people online, 4chan was the first place where I could feel truly safe and dare try to talk to others regularly.

>What would you be doing right now if you never discovered touhou or VN?
I've never really played VNs that much, but Touhou as offered me a lot of emotional support. It gives me things to look forward too, most importantly. And that means a lot, when you wake up every morning wondering "what's the point?" It's not much, but it's something that I'm actually emotionally invested in that gives me a little happiness everyday. Without it, I'd probably be a lot more depressed.

>>11343637
>>11343684
For someone that doesn't want to work and wont work you sure know a lot about working and what to expect and what is required even though you have no actual experience in such an endeavor. It's easier to sit around and type out long intelligent sounding posts when you don't work.

Usually people think they're being convincing when they type out something like you just did. Sometimes other people think it sounds intelligent and are convinced too.

In reality the opposite is true. It is neither convincing nor intelligent. It's the story, the personal account, used to describe reality but it isn't reality. Reality doesn't care about your reasons. Reasons in such a context are only important for making up excuses to convince ourselves.

So what I'm saying is it doesn't matter if you're right on /jp/ is you're wrong and just being a whiny faggot in real life.

>>11344428

touhou fandom is like on the other extreme of autism of pony fandom

also if not for 4chan i would probably be outside right now spending money on overpriced crappy beer and getting stds from ugly girls then vomiting in regret and alcohol poisoning

>>11344480

That it won't help you. I dunno. Sucks, man.I guess tell us about some of the stuff you've learned? At least it can give you something to talk about if nothing else

>>11344353
Can be more expressive than a book? Most VNs have shit writing AND artstyle.

That said, they work wonders if you want to jerk off.

>>11344811

for a while there was nothing else i could fap to

VNs are magical. they are basically the next best thing to having sex

>>11343084
I sometimes wish internet didn't exist. It makes finding things more meaningful and fun, though you'll have less however, in my opinon

>>11344804
You shouldn't be so nice to me.

>>11344904
It would be a really tough trade-off. You better hope you can be successful in real life because being a loser without the internet is a whole lot worse.

>>11344895

I can only wait until the VN's of the 2030s have oculus rift VR + onahole technology integrated into the games.

O god, Please God let me live long enough to experience such a thing

/jp/ made me play touhou. Now I like touhou. Thanks everybody.

>>11345180
custom maid already has that shit integrated.

>>11345113
Who is this newbie?

>>11345190

its more of a gimmick at this point tho, If VNs started using it on a regular basis it it could really help the tech evolve

>>11345205
so you want vns to be done in shitty 3d graphics?

I think I would be happier or dead.
Probably dead.

>>11343534
Girlfriend is far more likely

I would still think hitler was the most evil man to live

>Giving up before trying

Why the hell did you even ask for help? If you really wanted a job, you would get one because you would do nothing all day except trying to find one/convince someone to hire you.

>>11343637

You are giving up before trying. Why the hell did you even ask for help? If you really wanted a job, you would get one because you would do nothing all day except trying to find one/convince someone to hire you.

I'd probably have stopped watching anime and wouldn't have found VNs.

>>11345334
Not his fault people decided to blindly listen to him.

But I don't like touhou.

I'm reminded of how much influence this shitty website has had over the past 8 years of my life.

I can't even imagine. Although right now I wouldn't be translating crap if it wasn't for 4chan getting me into japanese things.

>>11344617
I haven't postured myself with the intent to be interpreted as being "right" or "wrong". When you choose not to subject yourself to incentivized toil, you don't get america bux - this is a triviality I'm making no effort to debate. Delusion consists in an inability to comprehend the logical structure of such a relationship, not in recognizing slavery and choosing the only sane alternative.

>>11345607
You seem to miss the point. The argument you give is that you choose freedom over monetized incentives or rewards for what you claim to be slavery.

In this instance the reality is that you are able to make many choices that branch out from each other over a period of finite time. The freedom you refer to is an illusion in the sense that it is extrapolated to refer to a broader domain than just a subset of choice permutations or measure in degrees of freedom.

A wage earned from working is a compensation/trade, a return on various costs, time which in terms of fitness decreases in value over your lifespan, energy which which is paid with resting and therefore reduced value of time and food/health which requires edible produce and therefore time, money, energy, and health.
The return on your investment is increased general productivity of your vital functions, interactions that broaden your interests and open up previously non existent opportunities which in turn increases the rate at which time is exchanged into freedom. Continued productivity will also train your brain to be more productive at whichever sorts of tasks are required by your work. Often learning new things will also lead to the increased rate and reduced effort for learning. Learning also translates into increased rate at which time is exchanged into freedom.
Last but not least money has the potential to increase effectiveness in all areas including a reduction in time spent working so more free time.

When you choose not to work you must impose a far more rigid scheme on yourself in order to achieve similar levels in time effectiveness and degrees of freedom at any choice point. You wont have extra money either. So unless you're approaching the asymptotic levels of effectiveness towards infinity you are almost always better off engaging yourself in collective productivity.

tl;dr There is nothing free about not being able to to anything even if you wanted to such as wit travel and costs.

<implying I play 2hu shit or VNs
<implying I'm a jaypee regular

I was ruined before any of this.

>>11348263
Janishit pls

Double/Triple my playtime in each videogame I played in the last few years... or Dead.

If not dead, I would be fat too.
I wanted to become better for Milady.

>>11344313
Second this. This was nice retreat from the pressures facing me. Now I find myself too busy and coming here less and less but I do miss some of the people I've met here.

>>11348293

Do you use Steam?

>>11348293

Add me

We should make a Project Mayhem-like organization, instead of consumersits we pour our hate through anarchy shit on normalfags.

>>11348520
>>11348507
I'm sorry, I don't use steam.
I don't even play online.

>>11348534

Start! Don't make the same mistake I did and talk to a bunch of random faggots or play the shitty Steam games though, just talk to people.

4chan's an internet forum. If it's changed your behavior much, that's because you weren't much to begin with.

I would probably have a lot less pictures in my picture folders.

>>11348002
And what point was that? The alternative that I truly assumed was transparently being hinted at was suicide. Congratulations, you're barely versed in an obsolescent, ideology-bound form of economics and certainly attempted to append some psuedo-game theory to that laborious, redundant mess. I hope you enjoy your petty-admin position coordinating fellow apes and whatnot for the people will all the monopoly money.

Oh and I'm a STEM, so provided my assumptions regarding your academic focus are correct, and I don't immediate kill myself - the permutation set comprising my action outcomes holds statistical distributive properties which likely result in me being economically fitter than you. Get on my level, faget.

>>11342077

This applies to pretty much everyone on 4chan. Or at least the anon's that stuck around for long periods of time.

>>11348643
If I could buy real goods with monopoly money I'd be fine getting paid in it.

>>11348558

Thanks captain obvious.

>>11348673
Sometimes it's useful to be reminded of things you already know.

Can bitcoins still be reliably farmed?

>>11348668
Abundance of fiat currency holds little influence upon the "freedom" one tends to experience within the internet if not totally uninitiated. The idea here is that properly coordinated logistic and technological means can essentially achieve this in other economies - and to some extent this is the de-facto configuration in first world countries with regards to basic amenities. Currency quite swiftly becomes worthless when production is no longer constrained by a technological, political or culturally imposed bound.

>>11341744
fucking faggot

>>11348698
Yes, if you have secured a supply of income steady enough to support food, water, electricity, and high speed internet as well as having detached yourself from desire for material goods, then congratulations, you've won at life.

The rest of us unenlightened folk will continue to hunger for goods.

>>11348792

>>11348643
>And what point was that?
Clearly you are only proving the points that had previously been made.

>The alternative that I truly assumed was transparently being hinted at was suicide.
If your posts aren't meant to be some kind of joke then nothing of value would be lost. You're just going back and forth between various extremes of self pity, arrogance, complete hopeless despair, delusions of grandeur and self righteousness. Maybe it's time for you to take your medication instead of playing a facade of intelligence because you can type words.

>>11348792
That's a contradiction however. If anything people like that are more enslaved by material goods and the consumer world than people that live with and rely on material goods.

>>11348553
I'm already tired of forced socialization.
Being here in /jp/ is enough for me.

>>11348946
How can an unambiguous contradiction be identified when fundamentally playing around with precarious definitions from the outset? Your specious, highly relativistic conception of slavery will certainly exist in polarity to an individual from a distinct political/cultural environment. You aren't playing around with something as clear cut as math here, and even if you were you could still face valid opposition from anti-realists, intuitionists and a motley band of nihilists.

>>11350636
>>11348946
>>11348792
>>11348698
>>11348668
>>11348643
>>11348002
>>11345607
>>11344617
>>11343684
>>11343637
top friggin lel

>I'm going to be 30 this year, and I'm still a NEET living with my mum, I'm not ready to suicide yet, but, I feel any chance of ever having a life is hopeless, what do?
>Get a job
>Impossible, balblablabla
>I've yet to send out a single application. Blablablablabla
>Killing oneself shall serve as a concise refutation of capitalism, don't you think?
>Delusion consists in an inability to comprehend the logical structure bla bla bla being delusional
>Oh and I'm a STEM bla bla bla bla
>Get on my level, faget.
>How can an unambiguous contradiction be identified bla bla
>playing around with precarious definitions bla bla
>valid opposition from anti-realists bla bla

It's just a shame your words don't hide how much of a dull-witted autistic loser you are.

>>11350666
Who are you quoting?

>>11350666
I'm 19, fartlord. Affiliating some random incompetent with posts which may or may not actually be authorially homogenous is unacceptably disruptive. If you're the special individual ostensibly left in hurt and tears, humiliated by your own impotency, I must suggest your entry into some facet of PR. The greentext + reaction image arrangement is a standard comparable to the level of discourse you'll be maintaining with your noble consumers.

Dead.

Shitposting other boards.

/jp/ gave me a propose to live, be better, do your best, take it easy, etc. Its dying more with each passing day but I will never forget it.

>>11350666
Who green?

>>11350729
Disclaiming responsibility for one of those posts doesn't make the rest any less retarded. By the way the S in STEM doesn't refer to sociology, the T isn't for Theatre Studies, the E isn't for Economics, and the M isn't Media Studies. I just thought I should point that out since you seemed to be a little confused.

>>11348002
~1000 years ago you toiled in poverty under threat of physical violence. Compulsion to action resulted not from any formalized economic narrative, but from the looming club. We are a bit more subtle in our current relations, though the visceral essence remains.

You are free to duly recite whatever epistemic system you use to characterize your social position. However, it would be unfortunate if you remained myopic to the notion of a medium of exchange as merely a means of coercion. Specifically, the reality that the contemporary manifestation, like its historical predecessors, centralizes currency around a local polity or economic power. This indication of "fitness" was carefully distributed so to maintain certain distributive imbalances, ie certain modern institutions and agencies are essentially not bound by a finite reserve of fiat currency. As a modern peasant, you likely are quite at the immediate mercy of such a system - though it would be foolish to be content with the notion that there could be no alternative configuration in a social context with significantly distinct cultural and technological factors. Additionally stupid is any moral conviction towards how one must go about interacting with such a system given its entrenched prejudices.

>>11350876
>1000 years ago you toiled in poverty under threat of physical violence.
Also malnutrition.

>However, it would be unfortunate if you remained myopic to the notion of a medium of exchange as merely a means of coercion.
Barter economies blow.

>>11350873
But that's just your opinion.

Check and mate.

>>11350876
>~1000 years ago you toiled in poverty under threat of physical violence
You're demonstrating your lack of understanding reality again by coming up with that revisionism of history where everybody was oppressed. This clearly is not the case because history is colored with many wars, uprisings, civil wars, mass migrations, and other events that demonstrate the extremity to which choices had been made especially by a non-ruling class.


>This indication of "fitness" was carefully distributed so to maintain certain distributive imbalances, ie certain modern institutions and agencies are essentially not bound by a finite reserve of fiat currency.
Not so. Take the United States as an example. The Federal Reserve which manages the money supply is often criticized for "printing" more money which in turn leads to a decreased value of the dollar. There is no distinction between a dollar held by The Federal Reserve, nor a dollar in Apple or owned by Bill Gates, nor a dollar held by a bum on the street corner. All dollars are affected equally no matter anything else. All dollars are worth less than a Euro, 100 Yen, a British Pound and so on. The view that people or groups are pulling the strings to milk the working class or some other similar conspiracy theory is on the same level as the ideas held by Christian young Earth creationists.

>Additionally stupid is any moral conviction towards how one must go about interacting with such a system given its entrenched prejudices.
More stupid is to believe that you are not interacting with such a system when you interact with it daily. Several years ago the French decided to popularize a financial protest where they and others around the world would withdraw their funds from their bank accounts and keep the money at home. Clearly they missed the point because the paper itself is meaningless and such an action simply devalues the worth of the currency as the market readjusts itself.

>>11350956
>revisionism of history where everybody was oppressed
This was an allusion to the varieties of serfdoms and communes which have existed over a general range of time, not a literal attempt at characterizing encompassing human activity over a millennium.

The focus of that response was really upon technological and cultural conditions primarily determining economic outlook and demands of the individual. Historical attempts at analytical economics generally become outmoded in a context of post scarcity; if I shall append myself to any "argument" here it is the transience of any such theorem you seem to advocate.

>>11350956
>There is no distinction between a dollar held by The Federal Reserve, nor a dollar in Apple or owned by Bill Gates, nor a dollar held by a bum on the street corner

If said entities are regionally or temporally disparate, this most certainly is not the case.

>>11351016
Only in the sense that two identical objects are not identical if they're not in the same place.

Why didn't janny delete this? He should know these threads always go full autism.

>>11342077

You would have ended up as one of those faggots who try to make pun comments on every image on imgur.

>>11351071
If the janitor deleted all the autism threads there would be no more /jp/ left.

>>11351009
>This was an allusion to the varieties of serfdoms and communes which have existed over a general range of time, not a literal attempt at characterizing encompassing human activity over a millennium.

Empathizing with fantasized victims of theoretical slavery only serves to reveal irrational bias and lack of understanding.

>if I shall append myself to any "argument" here it is the transience of any such theorem you seem to advocate.
It's quite simple to explain as anything intelligent should be.
Reality is not equivalent with any subset or derived interpretation other than itself.

Abstinence from interaction whether economic or social will not lead to a greater amount of actual freedom. The "argument" about slavery and oppression is just trivial nonsense. It convinces nobody and is of no value to anybody other than the person that expresses such views and only to convince themselves of their justification and soothe their ego.

>>11351016
You fail to understand.
>>11351029
This.

Furthermore if said entity operates in another location and trades in another currency valuation then their Yuan is no different from the Yuan held by a Chinese farmer.

If a company is able to maintain concurrent operations in two locations then they will have the benefits and risks that will entail.

>>11351116
>Reality is not equivalent with any subset or derived interpretation other than itself.

Thank you. Then you will concede "freedom" is a total fiction - how have we let ourselves attributed significance to only material phenomena deemed "free" or "resulting from freedom"? In a deterministic model as anticipated by any mature physics, it would seem concepts describing agency in any form are distressingly unconscious. We are swiftly approaching a domain of argument which will quite literally undermine itself by the very medium by which it is constructed.

I believe physics is valuable for humanity, not so much economics.

>>11351173
>>11351029
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_value_of_money

Following an analogous line of reasoning, in different spatial positions there exists varying economic opportunities. Let's assume at point C one can sell dildos for $10 indefinitely. At points A and B dildos can be bought for $1 and $7 respectively. A person at point A and a person at point B both have access to $7. Assuming no logistic or sales costs, also exempting taxes, the 7$ at point A is more valuable given the mutually exclusive (person A cannot travel to point B, etc) opportunities for trade.

From the perspective of statecraft what you describe is the object of currency, though not for the individual entwined within the extranational economic opportunities.

>>11351250
There is nothing to concede as that was already clearly stated. The arguments were that (a)freedom is only an estimate of permutations of choice or agency, and that (b)freedom is something else vaguely defined as non-capitalism as economic systems and jobs are a form of slavery.

While (a) might be debatable it certain that (b) is a fallacious construction wrought with cognitive bias.

>I believe physics is valuable for humanity, not so much economics.
All endeavors that aim to give a broader understanding of rules, trends, and dynamics of a complex system are valuable for humanity. Scientific research is once again become more interdisciplinary complex systems and systems of systems cannot be sufficiently explained.

Letting go of academic pride would probably be the single best decision any contemporary student could make.

>>11351325
I was actually going to get into that and explain why doing such a comparison would be stupid and a logical fallacy despite how popular it seems to be. But then I decided against it to give you the benefit of the doubt. However since you really wish to go there let me briefly explain.

Comparisons of A to B where A is an individual and B is a multi-national corporation are fallacious in nature. A proper comparison would entail person A being cloned and operating in the various locations in which B operates.

In layman terms: A Wallmart cashier doesn't have the same opportunities as Microsoft? Yeah, no shit.

On a different note if a person makes a yearly wage of $20,000 and you have 100 such peole and they worked together to keep their cost of living to $500 per person then they would have $1,400,000 per year left. This would allow them to employ 70 people for a year at the same rate at which they themselves earn, or allow communal self-employment of 100 people for 2 years. Both scenarios provide sufficient opportunity for 100 individuals on low wages to start a large business.

Multi-national corporations do not operate in a special untouchable world. People just choose not to organize themselves in a similarly effective manner. In the same way that if you build a house on a beach you are making the choice of losing everything you own when it floods or some similar natural disaster.