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One day someone saves this and posts it so I can smile in the future.

what's GoS?

>>11080683

http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros

>>11080679
that's terrible, anonymous, you should feel bad for it.

>>11080711
Satori looks like she's in joy, now that she has acquired a physical ability that can apply Paralyze!

>>11080728
Meh. I only use her to:
a. Debuff Terminator and Naked dude in the bulletin quest
b. Support with Magic Reflect and Starlight Barrier
c. Healer, most particularly mass heal and refresh.
d. Attack with "Punish the Judgement"

Are there compiled strategies for earlier stages? I just started, and Alice just about to put doll joints in my parties.

>>11080775
There are, on the wiki. You can also watch lets plays in YT. Although Alice is just dead weight in random encounters, she shines more in boss fights.

>>11080775
The earlier stages aren't so difficult, it's a matter of grasping the system, and figuring out the weaknesses.
Are you having trouble how to use Alice, or fighting against her?

http://www.4shared.com/folder/eAB1gLLj/GoSEng.html

Download for complete game already patched and translated in case someone needs it and can't find it.

>>11080781
just fighting her. Im just doing melee, at most times.

Anyone of you play DoD? This shit is alot easier than GoS. Has this neat weapon skill learning system and shikigamis

>>11078849
This guy again. Once I stopped playing like an idiot the octopus wasn't that bad. Then again I was fortunate that tentacle move didn't maim Alice. Aya was surprisingly useful. Rarely got hit and just spammed her +evasion move.

>>11080871
I've mostly heard sentiments that it's not as good. That said I still want to play it. Whenever I beat GoS that is.

After grinding for some time i think i'm pretty much ready for that bonus endurance dungeon. How long does it usually take to complete?

>>11080958
Oh yeah, after I beat the blowfish sometimes the screen wouldn't be centered on the characters. Glitchtastic.

>>11080964
6 months

Okay, no, I give up. What do I hit this spoilered expansion boss with?
I can somehow survive for some time and I know you can dispel the immune magic barrier. But what do I actually throw at her?

Taking it very easy here.

>>11081116
Reimu's bomb bypass that barrier. Just look at the skills since it's been so long since I've played this

>>11081127
Taking it even easier.

I'm trying to farm the items needed for Synthesis.

Any suggestions on improving drop rates? I've got the vending machine axe, but I'm not sure if I need to deal the killing blow for it to work.

What I need is Magic Medal and Pretty Mirror for the accessory that protects from instant death.

>>11081116
Reimu deals massive damage to her through holy spellcards and whatnot, after some buffing/boss debuffing.

>>11081116
You gotta switch up your attack types as she switches barriers.
At low health she completely shuts herself. You gotta deal a killing blow with some kind of exorcism. Dispelling it I remember will kill you.
Image related

>>11081259
>but I'm not sure if I need to deal the killing blow for it to work.

I think you do? This is just subjective experience speaking though. Try slapping it on patchy and have her nuke mobs.

>>11080840
Alice relies on her dolls, but she has a limited amount of them, three sets in fact.
They focus on different aspects, and have their own weaknesses. If you take care of the dolls quickly, Alice will soon fall. The three sets are The triangular physical attack formation, has no defenses whatsoever; the shield wall formation, particularly high physical defense; the four elemental formation, a counter attack is performed if a doll is hit with its own element, they're also color coded.

>>11080679
Saved, I will post this whenever I see a GoS thread from now on.

>>11081311
Thanks! i doubt i figure that one out by guessing.

>>11081445
If you're using either Marisa, Patchouli, Mokou, or Nitori (?), take advantage of their AoE elemental spells. You can wipe out the Defense and Physical formations in one go.

Otherwise just make sure the fight doesn't go on any longer than necessary. She continues applies new buffs after certain turn counts have been met, and if you take too long the dolls will get to the point where they will eat you alive.

Onward then! My jaw dropped slightly when she did her super-duper-damage seismic toss-esque move the first time. It feels nice to meet a boss who's weak against physical moves for once, especially as the first one after reuniting again!

>>11081595

>>11081656

Satori and Byakuren? I am slightly offended.

>>11081666
Why are you offended, it's an old screenshot from last year.

>>11081682

Because I am single-minded in my quest to complete the game without use of these two, and thus I am slightly stung when I see people who accomplish the same feats as I with (supposedly)easier compositions.

On a different note, will the bonuses from putting points in a weapon skill still apply if I use a different weapon? For example if I max Katana and use Kusanagi, will the insta-kill and various attack bonuses still be included?

>>11081705
The weapon growth skills only apply if you have the weapon equipped.
Kusanagi is a regular sword, after all. Any points in katana are inactive.

>>11081723

I assumed as much, I just wasn't completely certain. Thanks for confirming!

>>11081682
On Stage 16 with Mokou, Reimu, Marisa, Sanae, and Sakuya. Maybe I'll bother to take screenshots, I don't know.

>>11081297
>34k
Teach me your secrets, master. My Reimu does 4k.

Can someone help me here? I found the three candles marked in red, but I need one more. I thought it was in the area marked in black, but I have checked all around there and have not found shit.

>>11082428
And I just found it also I forgot the pic.

Should I have Sakuya use Swords or 2H Swords, can't decide since both are solid picks.

>>11082591
2H swords. They're so fucking good.

>>11082591
2h Swords, no contest. She's the only one that can use them for a reason.

>>11082384
Byakuren and Sanae are in the party for a reason. Does she have exorcism? I'm using the strongest bomb I have access to.

I like this board

>>11082833
MATK buff with Byakuren.
Kusanagi.
This was without DEF Down, but that's not enough to get to 34k.

>>11082926
Actually, I am quite surprised myself I hit 34k. The numbers light up as if its a weakness (weekend addition for your information), but the boss actually has no light weakness.
It may be a crit.
I probably used everything possible as I was aiming for one turn kill, max Light, Light enhance, mdef down, the strongest bomb with barrier/reflect piercing. It was so long ago, I can't recall the details. Her MDEF is 200, so it shouldn't really be an issue.
Is your Reimu full Exorcism and Spirit Attack? I used Fantasy Heaven and Hell for the bomb, you probably can use a commander to boost the damage additionally for one turn, like Patchouli.

>>11081234
This is Yukkuri's easy place.

>>11083013
Ah, yes, Exorcism tree ups the damage some. I get maybe 8k with Fantasy Heaven and Hell.
Tonight I'll pray to the RNG gods and tomorrow I'll try again.

How would Satori engulf something like a giant dragon?

>>11083698
The same way Satori constricts using her noodly appendages/body.

Satori uses constrict!

>>11083336
Highest level easiness. One less battle to worry about on the final floor.

Bonus dungeon finished. Even managed to avoid 1 enemy on the final floor.

I love this move

Also going through old dungeons to get missed shards is miserable

How the hell do Sakuya's knife throwing skills work in this game? They seem really useless, but sometimes one of them, I can't really remember which, hits multiple enemies at once despite nothing in the skill description saying it can. Should I just stick to spamming full moon revenge or do they actually serve some purpose?

>>11084329
They're fairly good damage, and some have Death as an effect.
Full Moon Revenge I think costs way too many points.

>>11084329
1 hit k.o. effect

>>11084329
You can use it against certain enemies, for example you can one-shot Kanako (or Suwako i don't remember) with Sakuya's knife throwing skills

>>11081311
Use Patchouli's Rainbow Ring and Sanae's MATK Buff, then use Fantasy Heaven and Final Spark, also use Illusion Dominance, this will take out half of Alice's life at the very start and she will summon the offensive dolls, keep using buffs and weakening the dolls, kill all but one and then Alice, then the last doll. The Dolls will self destruct if you leave them alone.

So what's the best party to use to tackle that endurance dungeon. I'm not aiming to complete it, just to make Satori learn "Punish the Judgement"

This place feels a LOT larger than any of the other areas. The remixed soundtrack sounds pretty swell, but damn are these Phoenixes annoying.

>>11086375
You can learn it outside of that endurance dungeon. The enemy is on that floor as a rare encounter. Otherwise you have to complete almost the entire dungeon to find the right enemy.

>>11086378
And you have to navigate through those 2 sides just to open the gate. After that, another puzzle to access the way to the easiest Gorgon sister.

>>11086412

I foresee myself spending a bit of time here then. At least I'll probably pick up some decent materials along the way!

>>11086390
Well this took me just a few hours to get since I always die when I encounter a Seraphim. Got lucky at the last encounter when Byakuren's power down landed.

>>11084203
Some enemies also have that move, but they don't have the sprites for it that Sakuya has, so they just kinda stand there while those effects play. Looks really weird.

>>11086378
Since maybe I won't be here to see you beat the 2nd sister, be prepared for her sneaky little trick

>>11087224

I'm so flattered someone would actually help me before a battle for once. I'm taking this stage really slowly because of the very annoying mobs.

>>11086378
Oh damn you're getting even further ahead of me. Curse my resolution to get all those adamantite and orichwhatever pieces

>>11087589

Worry not. At this rate you'll overtake me very soon!

Having some difficulty with Komachi. Her "Money from Yesterday" card seems to be doing way too much damage for me to survive. Even with Sanae's Res/Def up buffs.

One tip says to use Dark spells to push the field, but the only choices are Byakuren and Patchouli, both of which I'm not using. Surely there is something else I can do? If I must I'll grind to get Patchouli up, and replace her with Marisa if need be, but I'd rather not.

>>11089038
> but the only choices are Byakuren and Patchouli, both of which I'm not using
You will regret this.

You've got it reversed; pump up light land to nerf the money attack.

>>11089038
You can try buffing your evasion and praying. I think that worked for me.

also what >>11089069 said

>>11086378
Oh yeah, I love this place.
I would consider this the final stage. 21 is very short and linear, and doesn't have much variety in enemies.

Where to get Sunflower Seeds?

>>11089282

I want Gensoumaroku translated

>>11089282
Is that a trick question?

>>11089313
>>11089318

I forgot. God only knows how.

best sprite in the game

Holy fucking shit. Thank you based Reimu.
I love this game so much. It actually makes you think.

The damage here seems unnatural, though. Maybe when she puts up the All Reflect barrier her defense drops to 0? Reimu did 8k a couple of turns before with the same attack and buffs.

>>11089771

>>11080797
thanks for this

finally going to play this game since you guys wont stop making threads about it.

>>11086412

I assume this is the puzzle part? Decided I'd just rush through this place today because the thought of these annoying mobs was demoralizing me.

>>11092022
Just light up all the medusa heads while avoiding the enemies. Hope you like my dear old friend hydra and gryphon

>>11092029

Gryphon is a nice guy, but Hydra didn't play nice. Most hectic escape I've done. Shame I didn't cap it!

On a different note, I finally have the materials for Kusanagi, and I figured I'd give it to Youmu. What do I do with her skill tree? Do I just move all the Katana points into Swords?

>>11092171
You just need to take them out of the katana tree. If she's not wielding a katana they don't apply thus are wasted.

>>11092171
Also, did you already craft Sakuya's 6th-tier sword? If not, what are you waiting for? Mind flayers in the next stage?

>>11092208

Well obviously I need them out of the Katana tree, but I don't know where to put those 25 points because I'm not sure how good the Swords tree is, and the remaining stance trees are kind of trivial to her damage output.

>>11092224

Is that the Vyse or the Ice Sword? I didn't craft either yet. I'm at a massive shortage of Silver Trays, have been for a good few stages now.

>>11092259
The Vyse. Also, bad move for crafting that particular sword. There's not much enemies like those

>>11092259
Also, you may want to equip this on somebody during the boss fight. Makes it alot easier. You can get this from the Preta(163) in Bhava-Agra

>>11092304

Eh, there have been a few so far! I thought I'd be able to gather new materials for the next tier sword by the time I wanted to craft it, but alas, it was not so. I'll manage for now, but I'll craft it as soon as I find just ONE more Silver Tray!

>>11092337

By boss fight I assume you mean the next sister? I seem to have already picked it up, luckily.

>>11092022
MS paint Solution here.

>>11089821
There's also this.
>>11081297

>>11089038
Get some dark protection going, raise evasion/reduce accuracy, push land towards the light, make sure your tank doesn't drop to the Price, and focus on magic.

Any tougher touhou rpgs than this one? Even the weekday version is pretty easy.

What stage should items start being crafted at? I'm just starting 9 right now and have yet to craft any.

>>11092594
Thanks, but I already figured it out. The tactic is to pray to god she doesn't spam Money from Yesterday back-to-back, which she had the tendency of doing through my attempts. I don't know if it was just shit luck or what though, but my successful run went through pretty smooth.


>>11092647
Labyrinth of Touhou? I suppose it's not altogether difficult once you get the hang of it, save for a some bosses like Mannosuke. If nothing else you can always impose some artificial difficulties on yourself as well.

>>11092661
>Mannosuke
I have to play it now. Is there a translation?

>>11092647
I didn't craft any till 13. This was later than most, though. Just do what you wish.

>>11092894
Yes, there is. The game is... odd. It's like they botched exploration terribly but made up with the boss battles. And now there is a "demo" for the 2nd game, totally in japanese, sadly.

Massive health pools and evasion. What a bother! Okay for a first try I think, although she did indeed seem fairly easy. I'll equip the turtleslayer axe now.

Also big thanks to >>11092661 for posting that image. Probably saved me a big amount of time, considering puzzles are not my strong suit!

>>11092894
Yeah, Mannosuke as a boss in this game is probably one of most difficult bosses in the entire game, yet he's only a boss of a floor. That said, don't expect to fight him for a while, he's pretty far down.

Download: http://doujinstyle.com/?p=2060


>>11092982
It probably feels like that unless you've played Etrian Odyssey. That and Labyrinth of Touhou are pretty similar in terms of design, particularly in the dungeon exploration part. Presumably Labyrinth of Touhou 2 takes a more direct approach to Etrian Odyssey, which has me really hyped for it's release.

>>11093078
My problem is that I have played some Etrian Odyssey before (well, the only one I have won is the 3rd one), and I think it kind of spoiled me with its 1st person view and dungeon design (not to mention how random battles were more than "attempt to explode the enemy before they explode you").
And LoT 2 is taking some things from EO is a more... shameless way. It has FOEs (kind of, they seem to static to be true FOEs), and ways to jump from one point to another in a same floor (the shortcuts), and random battles seem less prone to die in one AOE (though that may be because no Patchy yet).
I do really miss the huge SP pools though. It seems they are going pretty conservative in that front.

>>11093131
*in a more
*too static
Dammit

That gave me a scare. I also foolishly left all 25 points in Sakuya's 2H swords despite putting the axe on her. Oh well!

Is this the last stage?

Stage 18 is kicking my ass.
My weaker girls are 10 levels behind everyone else. Satori is great with Petro Breath, though.

>>11093165
I'm to autistic to ever do that. All of my characters have to be within 3 levels of each other.

>>11093165

As was proven by the previous thread, stage 18 is fairly doable even with severely underleveled characters. The stage phase is admittedly a right pain in the balls though.

>>11093239
Youmu tank?

>>11093586

Yeah, although I didn't put any points into defensive abilities or even use any tank-like moves now that I think of it. There's not really much to tank on that fight, anyone with a relatively decent health pool can do it.

Man, these stage 21 mobs are giving me a real workout. Just what element is the Evolution Breath or whatever it's called that the Machine Dragons do?

>>11093631
All the stage 21 enemies are statistical monsters and not much else. Remember this stage is very short, and there's a healing right behind you in 20. Give them everything you've got!

The minibosses are different. If you run into one you're not prepared for, run. No exceptions. Do note that enemies vanish if you run from them in this stage.
And fuck the mechadragons. I don't even bother fighting them.

>>11093631
I think it's light (or mystic?). It doesn't even matter since that skill completely ignores PDEF. Shields/armour won't help you here, you'll need Aya to fight them.

>>11093652

There are minibosses too? Neat! I did notice that all the mobs were really damn strong and that they do indeed vanish upon retreat. I kind of want to fight everything I encounter at this point, but I suppose I could be more careful.

>>11093682

I guess that settles it then, I'm not fighting any more of those guys!

I don't suppose there's anywhere it's possible to obtain more Silver Trays? Sakuya's damage is falling off a little bit with this sword, and I still need one more to craft Vyse.

>>11080679
>>11081383
Please don't. Satori dying horribly is not ok.

After putting the game off for many months, I finally had the motivation to actually finish the expansion!

The final boss weren't as challenging as I thought it'd be, switching parties weren't even necessary.

>>11092640
Isn't Defiant of Shrine Maiden usually considered the most difficult Touhou RPG? It's the one game people actually discourage you from playing if you want to have fun because it's way too complicated.

>>11093724
Those dragons do drop one of the best items in the game though. It can be made even stronger in the expansion too.

>>11093724
Yeah, like the Marisa thing you posted. There's two on every map, encountered randomly, and they each have a good piece of equipment with a high drop rate, and sometimes drop the character-specific materials for the ultimate weapons.

>>11094057
>>11094116

I see! I did encounter a couple of oddly named mobs like Druid and some Storm demon guy whom I ran from. Druid dropped the Nitori parts though, which would have been nice if I used her I guess.

Anyways, I assume this fight is supposed to be really slow-paced? If Patchy hadn't been petrified in the first turn she would have been lower. Putting my cure back on the skill table now! There were also some chests on (as far as I could see) unaccessible platforms in the area with the portals which I'd like to get to.

>>11094188
Druid's a wuss. All his spells are learnable by Satori, though, which is nice.

There are invisible bridges to those chests.
Yeah, that's a pretty slow boss fight. She's got good induction iirc, enough that just throwing up a RES buff won't protect you all the way.

i checked the wiki but it doesn't really have any basic information, and i just started.

how do you "warp?" i saw it mentioned on one of the informational signs. i haven't found a second magic circle yet so i have to walk back and forth to heal MP/lives.

and is there any way to make enemies respawn?

>>11094339
The fastest way to get enemies to respawn is to walk into the shrine healing circle and back to the overworld 5-10 times. Everything should have respawned after that. No one knows how exactly the game handels respawning though.

>>11094339
Presumably there is, but I never figured out if there was a easy warping system or not. There are however teleporters available inside each stage, but those only activate one you get to the boss. If you need to leave a stage quickly, open your menu (which saves your game) and then quit. You'll be ported right outside the stage - it's the only way I've figured it to work.

To make some enemies respawn in an area (they don't all come back) you just got to use a healing circle multiple times. Like the one at the Hakurei Shrine.

>>11094253

Actually, Wind of Protection got me this far, then she landed a lucky Charm and fucked us up. MP seems to be the only issue here, and the fact that Sakuya only does like 200 damage per turn.

I'm already starting to suspect this isn't the true final boss, because this is some disappointing stuff.

>>11094383
>>11094384
thanks, i never would have guessed only some respawn at a time.

one other question and then i'll stop asking. if i start spending points with Growth before i know what i'm doing, am i going to fuck myself over down the road?

>>11094406
Nope, when you're putting points into Growth trees, if you press A (Z default) you'll put points into it. If you press Y (V default), you'll take points out of it. So you're free to distribute as you please without being locked into your decisions permanently.

>>11094406
You can change those points around at any time. Setting growth is never permanent. In fact, most of the later game requires you to change points to face specific challenges/quests very often.

>>11094421
>>11094430
sweet, thanks again

>>11094397
Note: She's weak to fire and resistant to slash but weak to pierce. A few F. Volcano's with Mokou equipping the best pierce-type weapon you have will do her in. Just be lucky that Lithos doesn't petrify her.

>>11094486

I did find out about the Fire weakness, but as we've established, I only use the depicted 5 unless something like stage 18 shows up. And I also forgot I unequipped the turtle-axe on Sakuya, so she should do a lot more damage when I try again tomorrow!

>>11094397
>then she landed a lucky
That happens. Because it's such a long fight, it's very likely to happen. With Lithos, you either set up a wall of defenses and whittle her down from behind it, or throw up a RES buff and try to kill her quickly.

No, this isn't the final boss. That comes next.

>>11094540
>I only use the depicted 5 unless something like stage 18 shows up
I'm grinning so hard right now.

>>11094553

>That comes next

Figures! Let's hope I don't regret being right.

>>11094559

I'm happy that you found delight in something concerning that. What was it you found grin-worthy?

Got burnt out on the heaven stage

Neat. That was a fun fight. Not super difficult but muscle revolution kept things interesting. Just loaded up Alice with strike reduction gear and blasted Anastasis' ass with lightning. Sanae's +HP buff is pretty cool; not sure why I haven't been using it.

>>11094652
That stage was by far my least favorite.

>>11095148
also I'm still considering switching to weekend for this reason alone. I mean holy shit.

>>11095218
Why wouldn't you be using weekend?

>>11095276

Because some of us prefer to not be spoon-fed, you filthy casual.

>>11095295
That's not much of an answer.

>casual
Yeah, no.

>>11095276
I've been playing this extremely sporadically since the english patch hit and I haven't bothered to update. That's it really. Though one time I did try to switch but couldn't get the save transfer to work right.

Where can I get Regalia recipe?

>>11096434
Get rekt by the last boss. Then talk to Akyuu

>>11096490
You mean gorgon sisters? Weird, I got defeated before and still didnt' get it

>>11096513
Actually, I meant the expansion last boss. I was wrong though
You can get the Regalia recipe by murdering 15000 enemies.

So I decided to play this again and I gotta say I forgot how annoying these fuckers are if grouped with stronger enemies. Also, Rance reference?

>>11094559

You know, I had an awful premonition after reading that post last night. This is going to be bland as fuck.

>>11096959
Have fun grindan first~
I know I haven't. Fuckin Dryad Queens wouldn't give me a Golden Tray

>>11096959
Are you the no byakuren/satori guy? I'll be impressed if you can do the final battle without them without excessive grinding.

>>11096969

Yes, that is indeed me. After the first try I had them all at sub 35%, and this was once more without Turtlesmasher equipped because fuck logic. Obviously without a party swap too.

>>11096967

Actually, my first impression is that this is a battle easily overcome. Fun nontheless!

>>11097004
Hope you have fun knowing that there's 3 phases to that fight.

>>11097029

Uh, yeah. I just found out.

...Goddammit. Of all the fucking stupid things...

>>11097079
Enjoyee

>>11097079
Looks like you didn't damage them enough on the 2nd phase. That version of the final boss has no weakness and also no species. The normal version has dark weakness and is a "Foreign God"

>>11097079
This boss is a brick wall to some who actually... use party members.

>>11097132

Yeah, they were still on 20% in P2 because we burned out completely just in P1. Thanks for the pointers.

>>11097141

Give me a break. This will be cake as soon as I grind just a little bit. I may have to swallow my pride and actually use 2 parties, but Satori and Byakuren will remain out.

Anyone have some tips against Youmu? I am fighting her right now, but she seems to completely ignore Alice and kill everyone else.

>>11097148
While you're grindan, I wanna see your cool item drops from the various fights you'll have in Stage 21

>>11097356

Sure, if I get any! What's a good tactic against these Basch guys? We can only last a few turns before he eventually starts targeting someone other than Alice, and she's really the only one who can live through his ridiculous damage output.

>>11097378
Acala sword completely ignores defense. You can rape that bastard quickly with Sakuya's Vyse Sword. Just the good old Aya commander then Private square. Hope you get lucky getting that Obsidian Armor. It's one of the best armors in the game. Also Zeus Armor from those Multi-armed giants.

>>11097401

Thanks! I'll give it a shot the next time I see one of them!

>>11097378
Equip Slash resist since he has no other moves. Use basic elemental magic like fire because he resists physical. Use Hijiri commander skill or give physical attackers elemental sword buff. His best skill ignores much of your defense so not much you can do about it if it hits weaker characters. Use formation that is about baiting like Poison Shield and hope he doesn't hit anyone who isn't Alice

>>11097418
The guy you're replying to does not use Hijiri.

Life in stage 21 sure is hard.

>>11097324
Kill her quickly is all that you can do. Use one of the super-baiting formations (like Hinotori Skydance) to help. Buffing Def/Eva will help mitigate some of her damage, and Res is necessary to counteract Yuyuko.

Youmu is weak to magic and the greater of the two threats, so I personally just bombed the fuck out of her. Otherwise the only thing to do is pray to god she doesn't use any of her more devastating abilities, because they can and will kill people. Once you got her out of the way, Yuyuko is pretty easy so long as you maintain a Res buff. Just watch out for her cheap shot at the end.

>>11097609
Is there any way to make Natori useful? She seems like the weakest character in the game.

>>11098026
She's pretty powerful especially if an opponent has an elemental weakness. Also, her chaser skills are also good
Pic related since Natori

>>11098026
Eh? Which one? Nitori? Satori?
Nitori is a great physical/elemental fighter.
You need to work on Satori to make her amazing, she'll always be fragile though.

>>11098026
Cirno is even weaker, but she won't even join until the expansion. You can use Nitori in battles that use lots of magic to use her chasers for extra elemental damage and her final gun skill can sometimes come in handy if she is buffed enough and has a gun with slayer. That damage negating skill she has is sometimes good too.

Overall, she is the characters i used the least in the main game.

A bit unrelated, but does anyone know of an English patch for the game "The Tragedy of Gensokyo: Princess of Pheonix"? Doesn't look like there is one from what I've read, but I figured I should at least ask.

There's quite a lot less "omg y u no use weekend" whining than these used to have. Feels nice

Are there any abilities unlocked in the level 80 range that are worth picking up for the final fight, or will I have to work with my current toolset? I'm a bit curious about pic related, I'll try it out now.

On the topic of the final fight, is level 65 a fair level for Reimu/Mokou/Marisa/Nitori/Aya to be for P1 and possibly 2 as well?

>>11098260
Reimu and Marisa get their final bomb spells at level 70. But that's about it with that party.

>>11098310

Eh, I was more interested in the abilities for my main party, but I'll definitely pick those two up!

>>11098357
Those spellcards are completely useless for boss fights considering their cooldowns.

As for your main party you need level 71 for Youmu. And that's probably all.

>>11098375

Oh, alright then. I'm currently leveling the lowbies via commander-leeching, so my main party should all be 80+ by the time the rest are 65. Double-Headed Dragons hurt.

So I came back to this stage to teach Satori some moves, flipped a switch, got unlucky with the RNG and thus got mindflayer wiped because Sanae wasn't in the party, and then pic related.

I hate this stage so fucking much. Also I wonder how the hell I missed this silver chest.

where can i find out what the stats do? acc, pot, dex, agi, etc

>>11099289
In the 4th post of this thread. Gameplay -> Stats

>>11099323
oh thanks. i kept looking through the additional information links and didn't notice there was another gameplay page.

holy shit those little fairies in stage 20 hit hard

So I have to maintain two leveled parties in order to beat Stage 9? No thank you. I like the game, but I don't like it that much that I'd be willing to grind that long. If this was LoT sure, but not GoS.

>>11100130
It wouldn't take that long.　This game has some experience scaling thing for low level guys.　Just put them in the commander position.

fffffffffffffffffffff

This is what, the 6th time now? I'm starting to lose count.

damn this place is huge too

You have no idea how long it took to get this thing. Now I can craft Vivanne's(?) excalibur to make my Alice invincible

A bit new here, how to reset monster spawn in dungeon?

>>11100573
Select a quest on the bulletin board if you're already in the expansion part of the game. If not, Go to the Hakurei Shrine healing circle. You may repeat that a no. of times

http://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php?topic=14232.0

Comprehensive LP with hints, tons of info and without spoilers.

>>11100130
You don't have to grind, just use everyone. It's not hard at all.

>>11100691
Good advice, because obviously level 1 Alice, Patchouli, Youmu, Nitori, Byakuren, and Satori are going to be anything but deadweight.

>>11100706
It is good advice. Maybe you should follow it.
Level one Sakuya, Nitori, and Patchy are usable enough, in Forest of Magic. Every other new recruit joins one at a time and can be leveled to fighting strength as you go with the commander slot.
Do that and mix up the party a bit as you play. It's not hard at all.

>>11100841
Except it completely misses the original problem. Certainly I could throw somebody into the Commander slot whilst going through a stage to keep them somewhat on-par with other characters. However that isn't the case here, because if you paid attention you'd know that I'm stuck at Stage 9 because I don't have enough secondaries sufficiently leveled to allow for a successful Reisen/Tewi fight.

Certainly in retrospect balancing the commander slot time with people wouldn't have been a bad idea, but currently that is neither here nor there. As it stands I get the luxury of either A) quitting the game or B) power leveling the secondaries to a reasonable level in order for me to progress. As I said earlier, I don't like GoS enough to actually do the necessary grinding. I tested the waters a bit with one, took about 30 minutes to get her to 20, multiply that by 5 to include the other teammates and it's really just more time than I care to commit.

>>11100912
It's an 80+ hour game, you're spending shit loads of time anyway.

>>11100912
Oh. I thought you were saying you weren't at stage 9 yet, and were saying that in advance.

>>11100912
Just quit the game. End of story. You'll be doing hours of grinding in the later stages anyway.

bump sorry we are being spammed I don't want this thread to 404.

Starting to find a few of these character-specific materials now, but given the fact that I only have one and a half of both Orichalcum and Adamantite, I'm not at all sure who to get stuff for. Any suggestions?

>>11103069

This just dropped too. Neat!

>>11100912
Well, the game just punishes you for playing like idiot.
Both Byakuren and Satori are pretty useful even at level 1 during this fights (if properly geared). Alice can be used as decoy even at level 1 (even if it's just for one turn). You can divide your main party 3/3, add Satori to the first party and Byakuren to the second, put anyone from the rest of level 1 characters as commander. That should be more than enough to defeat those bosses if you know what you are doing (especially since your main party must be overleveled).
If you think that this game can be beaten by simple "press A" tactics you are wrong. If you think that this game requires any grind you are wrong, too.

>>11100912
Normally I'd complain about this if it was like most other RPGs where you get loads of interchangable characters like LoT and just most RPGs in general. But this is precisely what makes GoS so great-you get lots of characters, but every one has a niche that actually makes them feel unique and useful for certain situations. Also you do know you can swap characters at anytime in dungeons right? This is pretty fundamental to completing later dungeons without backtracking for healing points, as you're meant to use the MP/bomb reserves of your whole party, not just your select few.

This is one of the few RPGs I've played that actually feels like the entire party was involved.

>>11104035
Has anyone managed to get through each dungeon without wiping?

>>11104042
Probably not, no. Trash has teeth in this game.
Also there's these shits.

>>11104035
I agree, though I do wish it was easier to manipulate parties. Like just swap a character in instead of having to set the whole thing up from scratch. Also changing equipment around is a pain in the ass but that's fairly minor.

>>11104079
Oh yeah, those mobs were fun.

Getting there. That's the second golden key.

Also now that I've got the layout and the enemies down this dungeon is so damn fun. I love how you're encouraged to really let loose thanks to that healing circle. And how you have to carefully weigh each mob to make sure you can take them.

>>11106175
In other news I feel invincible.

best enemy

>>11106178

Savor the feeling. The next stage will make you feel quite differently!

>>11106180

I always had a soft spot for these guys myself.

Generic weapons vs Character Specific weapons?

>>11106483
Rods far outpace your magic attackers' character specific weapons in magical attack strength due to them being balanced for physical damage as well for hard to understand reasons.

Generally, your physical attackers' character specific weapons are fantastic in comparison most of the crap you find especially due to their superior weapon trees. It's only until you get to the late/endgame that you find generic weapons that are significantly powerful.

Sakuya, Mokou, Nitori, and Youmu's specific weapons have incredibly substantial bonus abilities in addition to their far better weapon specific trees.

For the miscellaneous other party members, it depends on the bonuses and what would be useful for them. Alice gets rainbow greaves, but some people use Tefla's or Brunhilde I think. Reimu can get use out of the rod that has gives faster casting speed for healing spells and Aya can get use out of the axes that have instant death effect. And if you're using Patchouli to melee, she can just equip an axe.

>>11106483
I like the character specific weapon for Sakuya and Konpaku. Also I think we had this discussion already in this thread. Ctrl F and you should find some better answers than mine.

>>11106483
Many generic weapons are pretty pointless, but some on the other hand are really great. Ten Dice Sword, Kusanagi, Vivian's Excalibur, Ultima Weapon, True Claíomh Solies, Sacred Akiba Cherry Blossom and Azoth are all really great and usefull at the end of the game. Gungnir and Orichalcum Dagger are pretty much required for some quests if you want to have an easy time. Though in the end it often depends on the character and what she is supposed to do. There really is no need to give Sakuya or Aya generic weapons.

>>11106520
>>11106522
>>11106527
Thanks! This saves me in synt materials.

Halp, if a character loses all their lives do they die forever? Patchy just died, what do?

I think this was answered in a previous thread, but I can't remember the response and I wasn't really able to find it on the wiki, so I'll just ask again - what exactly does Exorcism do? I'm kind of unsure wether I should upgrade to a new book for Patchy or if Orichalcum Dagger is a decent enough item for her given the elements enhance on it.

>>11106879
神霊結界: Divine Barrier. X/100 constant reduction of damage from all attacks. When an attack has 退魔 (exorcism), it ignores Divine Barrier by a percent (for example, an attack with Exorcism: 50 makes it only half-affected by Divine Barrier).

>>11106892

Right. Still leaves the question of which item to use! Thanks though.

>>11106520
The difference in magic attack isn't terribly significant. Reimu's Gohei look nice with their added effects of exorcism and + amulet and spirit sign damage. Marisa's brooms are cool because you'll never run out of MP, ever. Of course Byakuren's +IND scroll is a must-have and her other scrolls with divine barrier are interesting.

Satori's eyes and Patchouli's books are a waste though, yeah. An anon tested in the last thread if the eyes boost the specific element in question but they don't, which is ridiculous. Also Sanae's snakes seem really worthless to me. The effects might proc now and then earlier in the game but not later.

>>11106924
http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/The_Genius_of_Sappheiros/Equipment/Accesories

Has a nice list.

>>11106948
Wait, I just realized that the Gohei only say "Exorcism", not "Magic Exorcism". I presume this mean that the exorcism only applies to her physical attacks. Well that's ridiculous. At least the boost to spirit sign and amulet is still nice I guess.

That anon who tested eyes here. I tested if the eyes' "Added damage element" was effective upon casting a spell. No significant damage increase. It adds the element on top of a physical move.
If it's earth damage, you'll do your physical move, and in addition to that, you'll do the listed percentage of the physical move as earth damage as a bonus.

No idea if it uses the damage before or after modifier though.
I believe Patchouli's books have some kind of magic enhance on them.

How many levels in does weekends start?

Anyone tried changing the battle themes?

>>11107309
After stage 21.

>>11107412
Fuck I'm only on 9.

>>11107030
Thanks for the clarification. My post made it sound like the eyes offer no boost at all. Sucks they don't apply to spell damage. And yeah Patchy's later books boost light, dark, mys, and void(?) attacks. Seems... situational. Magic exorcism is nice but you can get that from some staves. They've got some ridiculous physical attack though. Has anyone here tried physical patchy?

On the topic of equipment what have you guys done as far as armor goes? Sakuya's and especially Nitori's armor have great added effects. Youmu's is pretty good too. Everyone else I feel is fine without character-specific stuff, though Mokou could always use more bombs.

>>11107030
>>11107951

Is this only for eyes, or does it also count for items like this one? To completely clarify, does Patchy in this case gain a 10% increase on her main 4 elemental type spells or is that added as bonus damage if she attacks physically?

I used physical Patchy quite a bit earlier in my playthrough, and she actually did considerable amounts of damage with books equipped. Shame they have atrocious accuracy!

>>11107951
Lithos has very bad unique armor at the end, the worst in the game. Cirno is also not that great and probably better of using endgame generic clothes. Sakuya can attack forever if she wears Sacred Clothes and just spams Jack the Ludo Bile though that's mostly just for the endurance dungeon. Alice can also use skills pretty much forever when wearing Sacred Clothes and being the main tank always profits from health regen. Marisa and Patchouli might also be better of with stuff like Spirit God's Robe and Rainbow Robe depending on what magic they are focusing on right now.

Armor is mostly good investment though and it usually will pay of to have good unique armor.

>>11107992
Enhance is for magical spells, that's why you see it on rods a lot.

The thing about that knife is, it has no +MATK. Making it worthless in regards to actually boosting magical damage. The most useful thing about that knife is the MP drain which can be used on easy fights in the endurance dungeon.

>>11108088
It has silence which is pretty much the only easy way for Hijirin's item quest. I didn't use it at all in the endurance dungeon. Sacred Cherry Blossom works much better for that.

Does anyone know if INT effects IND?

>>11108256
It does not.

>>11108332
Damn, Im having trouble getting Satori's debuffs to hit. Is there any other way to do that besides giving her some accessories that raise int?

>>11108381
Give her all the IND raising items, put points in Trauma and/or ID depending on what skills you are using. Eyes can give extra IND and at 20 points in Eyes you get +15 IND. Dexterity can raise IND but not by much. Buff Satori with Byakuren's Hyper Trigger.

>>11108434
Thanks

So, I got to the next to last expansion boss.
>99999 heal
Okay.

>>11108434
>>11108381
If you can hit 100 IND on Satori, you can also probably use Self-Hypnosis that's available through the Eye weapon growth.
If you're trying to hit poison, you don't have to focus IND so much, as poison enhance will work as well.
Oh and, debuff enemy res, too.

>>11109472
That guy shouldn't be a problem if you're using Reisen. Just buff/debuff everyone and start raping them with Reisen's perma/variety slayers. I didn't even know they could heal to be honest. Also, you should watch out for its void AoE spell once it gets to low HP. Having Alice covering your party can pretty much ensure your victory over this one, though it is possible to kill him before he gets a chance to use it.

Goddamn I put this game down at area 20, and its really hard to motivate myself to finish the last bosses. They seem like a bitch.

>>11109605
I don't know how I forgot that you can debuff the enemy's res. God I'm stupid.

>>11110173
Sorry about that sage in the name field. I was shitposting in another thread.

>>11108088

Alright, I guess I'll throw a staff or a decent book on her then!

I think my grind is over for now, I'll give the boss some tries tonight. The only noteworthy(?) drop I had apart from Excalibur was this. I don't know what to think judging by the item description.

>>11110302
It's shit until you synth it into another sword. Also, Excalibur is pretty much the best weapon for Alice to hold, can be upgraded too.

>>11110311

I assume it's this. Is it worth getting for the final battle or should I get one of the tier 7 weapons instead? Still only have one and a half Orichalcum.

And yeah, I assumed as much for Excalibur. It's made life a lot easier for Alice and Sanae!

Are Aya's fans any good? Also what is this whole breathing thing?

>>11110326
I'm assuming you mean the pre-expansion final boss? You'd need reptile and foreign god slayers with exorcism for that. Exorcism and foreign god slayer is only needed for their final form.

>>11110330
You mean reflect breath? It's one of Aya's best skills and it needs her to have a fan equipped to be used. Not so sure about her being a damage dealer, though. I haven't really used her outside of support.

>>11110346
Yeah what does it do? Reflects spells or something?

>>11110350
It reflects breath attacks exclusively. The kind dragons and the like use.
All breath attacks use physical number values, and of any element, which means they're difficult to defend against.
Aya with a reflect breath ability allows you to reflect all breath attacks in one turn.
It's useful if the enemy you're fighting has many heads.

>>11110358
Ah so it reflects all of those attacks where the enemy jumps up in the corner and then hits your entire party. Wish I knew about this earlier in the game. Those attacks have caused me to wipe a number of times.

>>11110346

Thing is though, none of the latest-tier weapons seem to have either of those effects, so I don't know what to make.

>>11110387
I can only name four weapons that can help you against them. I don't really know if there's more. They are:
Mambele (anti-reptile knife)
Turtle Smasher (anti-reptile axe)
Kusanagi (anti-foreign god sword)
Doujigiri Yasutsuna (anti-foreign god Youmu-specific weapon)

The Mambele and Turtle Smasher are enemy drops which I can't remember where I got them from while the Kusanagi and Doujigiri Yasutsuna are craftable weapons.

I read things about the combination lock at Kourindou shop. Wiki says, dont open them on the first run? It seems to contain nice items...

>>11110459
There is a wiki? Does it have a list of all the drops and shit?

>>11110459
It has some nice stuff, yes. But nothing that breaks the game. They're meant as rewards for people who bought the game at certain store if I recall correctly.

>>11110474
Yeah? There's an English one and Japanese one.

Thank you based Reisen.
Your 18k criticals sure help.

I wonder if the heads have a weakness. I just prayed to the RNG gods so that the healer head didn't use Elixir, and it was easier than trying to kill it repeatedly.

>>11109710
There you go again with your ridiculous numbers. I was pretty sure Weekend doesn't change the boss fights, but...

>>11110403

I already have Kusanagi used on Youmu, and I don't know how good that would be on Sakuya, so I'm a bit hesitant to buy that katana yet. The anti-reptile weapons are only for phase 1, so they're not that important.

I really don't know.

>>11110730
But what?　You do know that every debuff or buff you place on an enemy increases Reisen's damage, right?

>>11110733
Youmu's weapon tree has crit passives so it could potentially do better than Kusanagi in-terms of damage.

As for Sakuya with the Kusanagi, I barely scratched the pre-expansion final boss with it using her multi-hit skills last time I tried. I think it's better for you to give the Kusanagi to Mokou and spam her Volcano bomb.

>>11110841
>You do know that every debuff or buff you place on an enemy increases Reisen's damage, right?
I... I see...
I'll have to test that.

>>11110841
Based Udonge.

>>11110841

Mokou isn't in my main party and thus Kusanagi on her isn't really an option.

I'm prolonging my grind. These guys aren't even capable of taking down one(!) Queen Flayer on its own right now.

Xu Fu Dimension on Mokou? It says "Increases Reraise and Regen", but by how much if anyone knows? Doesn't seem like the wiki has any info on this ability, hell I didn't even know I had it till just now.

>>11110858
Yup, Reisen' the easiest to break the damage cap with.
Also, another thing you can stack infinitely is Sanae's buff buff (Wind of Miracles). Use a buff, buff that buff, refresh the buff, repeat, etc... If you're using that one Max HP buff, you can easily have thousands of HP for everyone in your party.

Speaking of Reisen, is she the only one that lets you get surprise attacks on enemies? I have never, ever had one outside of using her as a commander.

Im stoke, if I should invest in Satori's learning ability. She dies alot....

Is mind controlling enemies, and shoot at her make learning easy? There are alot to learn.

>>11111404
The regen is something crazy, I recall it being around 120.
Reraise will prevent one lethal blow only. Multiple hits can still kill you easy.
It lasts until reraise is used. Indefinitely if it isn't.
That's right, you can use Mokou's bombs as an alternative for a healer.

>>11111451
Satori can be a decent mage, and an amazing buffer/debuffer if you put some work in it.
Satori can be absolutely anything if you put a lot of work in it.
She'll always be fragile and die super easy.

>>11111156
Most of my grind on that stage consisted on using Byakuren's 3-bomb commander spell card twice. That softens things up. Too bad you have to go heal after every battle.

>>11111475

That's actually not a bad idea, and technically she isn't being used on the field, so I can live with myself doing this.

Do you guys know of any strategies to kill the Yukaris before they run?

>>11112168
Aya commander or on field. Use skill that allows your team to attack first. Sakuya uses Privat Square/Quicktime and her best moves once time is stopped. Other party members like Nitori use their best multi-hit physical attacks. Mages are pointless.

>>11082886
I don't.

holy shit I'm a moron for not maxing out Nitori's chaser tree before this is amazing

>>11112212
and yukari slash

>>11113279
please don't be mean to yukari

>>11113252
What do chasers do? I have always ignored them.

>>11113485

if memory serves correct, after a teammate casts a spell of the same type on an enemy, the chaser will follow it up with its own blast.

probably best to try it out to be sure

>>11113485
>>11113521
yup. If nitori uses thunder chaser she'll follow up any lightning element attack with a physical lighting attack of her own. This becomes pretty powerful if you're running an all elemental team like >>11113252

also, what the hell is this piece of shit weak to?

>>11113534
I can't believe this dumbass party worked. Once buffs were in place she melted pretty quickly to all the water damage + chasers ++ Mokou. Nitori dying halfway through sucked but didn't matter in the end. Also thank god I decided to put reraise on Mokou on whim.

>>11113534
Largely its own breath weapons. If you have Aya reflect every turn it'll kill itself more often than not, though I seem to recall that if the Land Element is leaning towards fire it mixes more physical attacks in.

Oh man the final stage looks badass. And this music. Awesome. I'm coming for you anti-byakuren/satori anon!

>>11113863
No kidding. Thanks for the tip. Aya's situational but she's good when she's in her element I guess.

>>11113863

also, dragon slaying weaponry.
lances might be of some use, though tailoring the group to a specific monster will probably suck if you fight lots of other annoying things as well.

Anybody cares to tell me where the fuck is the last switch? That is, if each switch corresponds to one of these... things.

>>11113899
Scratch that. Of course I would find it right after asking for help. That's like, a natural law.

>>11111156
I see, looks like Full Moon Revenge using the Ice Sword would be your best bet in dealing damage against them. Just don't forget to buff her god awful accuracy.

>>11111404
Xu Fu's is pretty hilarious in the lategame when Mokou has huge HP.

It scales so well that she was healing like 400 HP per turn in this fight. She was able to simply just suffer through Alice's many repeated kamikaze dolls.

Protip, don't kill Marisa first in this fight, Alice is the biggest asshole in rage mode.

>>11114077
Fuck that fight so god damn much.

>>11113872

Oh yeah. The stage's music and the way it carries on into battles is really quite epic. Good luck overtaking me though!

>>11113969

Ayup, her accuracy has been annoying me to no end lately. Working on it now, and Ice Sword will be bought!

How do I make Nitori do damage? Currently her abilities don't really do much, to the point of which solely using Chasers nets more damage than she would do on her own. I got the sisters to about 50% on my first try, with Nitori probably doing around 5000 damage total over about 15 turns.

>>11116109
Buff her, choose the element the opponent is weak to, and use Rage Eight.
That's all you need.

>>11116144

It's what I'm doing, but the sisters don't seem to give a shit about weaknesses when it comes to her. Each hit does 250-320 damage with each respective sister's weakness enabled. It's just not enough.

>>11116198
Anastasia has 350 PDEF, Biotopos has 550, Lithos has 150, so that's probably stopping you there. The first phase isn't exactly critical, the only thing that matters is having enough punch to stop the second phase from finishing, and getting your god-killer group prepared.

>>11116219

I know as much, but given that my phase 1 party consists of all my underleveled Touhous, that's actually the most critical phase right now. I'm not even slightly worried about phase 3 given the level of my main party. I might have to invest in some good items for these guys as well.

>>11116109
>using Chasers nets more damage than she would do on her own.

Isn't this the norm, outside of a few exceptions? Nitori's stats aren't anything special and chasers are a great way to make up for it. Of course this is moot if your party doesn't have a bunch of elemental attackers.

Also out of curiosity how much POW do your characters have? I'm sitting at 66 right now with my characters ranging from lvl55-58. I imagine I'd have more if I had ever remembered to grind to the next POW level before boss fights.

>>11116311

I don't know, I only used Nitori once before. As for POW, my main party(at level 80-82) has 73-76 POW, whereas my second party has around 60 at level 66-72. I didn't ever cheese the levelup on it on anyone though.

>>11116330

I also meant to attach this. Not that it's too important.

Are you telling me there is no entrance-teleporter in this unholy place? Do I have to come all the way every single time the boss kills me?

>>11116517
And picture.

>>11116520
enter that circle on the left

>>11116550
Ho, thanks. It's red so I thought it'd teleport me to the outside world.

For some reason chasers are not working for me. I have tried it a couple times. I use some element attack of patchy's and then the next turn I use the chaser for that element, but it never seems to work. Does it only work sometimes or something?

>>11117374
Nitori's chasers only apply to the turn they're used. So use them and whatever elemental attack during the same turn.

>>11117387
Ah, thank you.

First time actually getting to do something in phase 3! Ended at about 70%. Switched Marisa and Patchy, which means that phase 1 and 2 are now complete easy-modo, but also that my only Dark-attack user is not present for the latter part. Some of these abilities seem ridiculous, and the rate at which they boost land-powers is also seemingly too fast for Sakuya to be able to negate with Empty World.

And I just love the battle theme.

>>11118425
Empty World negates field effects, not land levels. Patchy is the land manipulator.

>>11118425
I'd criticize you for not having Byakuren to buff Youmu with dark sword and ATK buff instead of Sanae, but then I realize you're probably the anti Satori/Byakuren player.

Any DPS that's not Kusanagi or Youmu wielding the Doujigiri is fairly pointless for the third phase.

For some actual advice, if you're using Sakuya for the third phase instead of Patchouli then you'll need to time her time stop to entirely skip the turns the final boss will use drain element. Either that or have Alice little legion and Sanae prepped to revive her immediately. The fight will most likely last a lot longer for you due to lack of dark sword for Youmu so you'll need to plan it out for endurance instead of killing fast. Youmu might not even have enough Paschals to get the job done so you might need to give her a soul accessory, but it's very likely you've already stuck the awakened soul on Mokou since she has terribly low bombs.

I honestly beat the final boss the first time I ever got past the first phase with a team of Aya, Reimu, Mokou, Satori, and Marisa for the first party and the pictured party for the second. I didn't even have Kusanagi or medeoroa during the fight and banked it all on Youmu with Doujigiri. Between Satori and Reimu, there was literally no way for the first phase to significantly endanger my party whatsoever. For the last phase I admittedly got very lucky since vortex did hit my party, but it only dispelled Youmu's one defensive buff the time it happened.

>>11118425
So much time wasted on grind. Level 80 characters? I had only two 70+ characters when I've defeated the final boss and I didn't craft a single late-game equipment (even Kusanagi).
You could've spent that time to get better tastes. Read At Chirei, Pure Jade Anthocyanin, some Omchiken's works. Then find playlist of 3-rd eye arrangements on youtube. And finally download the boss rush patch for SA and get through all Satori's 20 spellcards in one go.
And now serious advice: you should replace Marisa with Patchouli. Marisa still can do decent elemental damage in phase one. But she cannot manipulate land and attack with dark magic which is a must in phase 3 if you're not using Satori/Byakuren.

>>11118471

I just realized this. I'm pretty silly!

>>11118542
>>11118551

I am indeed no Satory/Byakuren guy(look at the filenames!). I don't have any bomb-accesories equipped for anyone, given that I've never needed it. I can't really use Patchy for phase 3 though, can I? Her spells passively increase land levels and thus will just make her waste bombs/mana on land equilibrium. Marisa really does fucking nothing. I can't seem to figure out how to make her spells do anything over than 1.5k per hit, and without Patchy's Fire land-enhance, Mokou does significantly less damage as well.

Seems I need to go through a tactical reassessment!

>>11118727
>Her spells passively increase land levels
Any elemental spells increase land levels. Patchouli can use silent selene every other turn. Other half of the turns she can use the element opposite to the one with the biggest influence (e.g. if boss uses fire a lot, she should cast water damage spell).
Also, I hope you know sister's weaknesses.
Anastasis is weak to electricity/slash, hit her with Marisa's and Nitori's electricity spells. You should use Mokou's volcano ob her only if you're using slash type weapon (e.g. Kusanagi).
Biotopos is weak to water/strike, hit her with Marisa's and Nitori's water spells. It's better to not use Mokou's volcano here unless you equipped her with axe/fists.
Lithos is weak to fire/stab. Ideal time for Mokou's volcano. Hit her with Marisa's fire and Nitori's Rage Eight (if you're using her machine gun weapon).

>>11118727
Make an Awakened Soul. +5 bombs is insanely good for any DPS attacker.

Also, if you've never ever realized it somehow for the entirety of the main game, You can cancel out of your first party member's turn to go to the initial fight menu where you can see the field effect, use your commander abilities, and see the land gauges.

Fire and water are opposites, same for Earth/Electric and Dark/Light. So casting water spells when the gauge is shifted towards fire will shift it back towards the center and vice versa.

What equipment have you crafted? How well are your characters geared? Also you're making sure Mokou and Youmu have chance for double hit, right?

If you have kusanagi though, it might be best for you to move Mokou to the second team to DPS the final phase as best as you possibly can and prepare a long drawn out, but consistent battle for the first phase.

>>11118837

Ah, I guess my lack of knowledge is showing. I was under the impression that it was only one of Patchy's growth trees that made spells enhance land levels. I know all the sisters' weaknesses, yes. As mentioned before, I'm having trouble making Nitori do damage as well, even when equipped with respective weakness spells. Rage Eight hits 2/8 shots if I'm lucky, and only for negligible damage. I can make better use of Marisa, certainly, and I have Turtlesmasher equipped on Mokou, so I have her use Fujiyama Volcano on Biotopos, not Lithos. It's just not enough damage.

I also feel like adding that I didn't grind that much. We were 75 when we reached the final battle, the rest of the levels were gained by levelling the lowbies via commander-leeching.

>>11118877

I'll look into Awakened Soul. Yes, I know about commander spells/land gauges. For gear, the only piece of end-game items I've crafted is Kusanagi. Everything else is one, two or even three tiers old. I don't see how moving Mokou to party two would make much of a difference.

I'm having a really difficult time in the Garden of Sun, there's so many status effects that kill me and so little ways to prevent them. I'm on level 25 if that matters.

And when does the new equipment show up in Korindou's? I have a ton of material but the only equipment I see is the one that appears the first time and nothing has been added as an option to make since

>>11119298
>there's so many status effects that kill me
Use Sanae's RES buff.

>Korindou's
You need to talk to Akyuu for recipes.

no way in hell

Are all of Youmu's forms useful? So far it looks like Manyussa is the way to go.

fuck

>>11119457
Asura is good too. Rape trash.
Never found much use for the other one, though I never tried either.

>>11118905
Basically, you would have Mokou use Kusanagi and Youmu use Doujigiri. You would then have two people slaying the final boss significantly increasing your DPS.

I'm suggesting it because you're not using Byakuren so you don't have the dark sword buff.

Also, do you really not have any decent crafted stuff? No EVA fan for Aya? A strong fist for Mokou instead of that old turtlesmasher?

Well, actually thinking about it, I guess those are the only important weapons to bother crafting at that point besides Doujigiri if you couldn't craft Kusanagi.

Since Biotopos has significant defense, regularly boosting Mokou's attack instead of relying on a slayer and hitting Lithos would probably be better.

Anyways, assuming you've been grinding the Gorgon Temple, then you must have a shitload of trapezohedrons now. Go make some of the improved stat accessories if you haven't as well. Rage choker 4, bracelet of reflection 4, etc.

>>11119457
People either use Asura or Manyussa. The thing is, the stat ups from their growth trees do not care if you're using their stance. Youmu eventually gets a guaranteed critical buff however which pretty much makes Asura more useful in general.

Damn, I kinda wanted dissolve for Satori but I'm sick of this fight. I'm just going to tell myself it's not all that great anyways.

>>11120193
You can get dissolve elsewhere.

>>11118905
Get the Yasakani no Magatama and Yata no Kagami if you still don't have that yet. Equipping both of these along with a mysitc resist accessory, a slash resist armor and the Perseus Shield on Alice can make her survive a whole turn with Little Legion against the final form.

>>11119957

I can make Doujigiri I suppose. Does that mean I switch Sakuya for Mokou? That would probably make phase 1 harder than phase 3. I have a couple of stage 18-tier items, but not for everyone. I use Turtlesmasher on Mokou because it actually makes her hit harder in phase 1, and I did actually make a couple of minor accesories already.

>>11120692

Good advice. Thanks a lot!

Also bump limit once more. Who wants the honor of making a new thread?

>>11121191
Well actually winning the whole fight hinges on winning at the end. Yes I guess to the Sakuya question.

You basically want to put as much power as you can in your second party while still being able to beat phase 1 with your first party. As long as you can manage to do it consistently under good circumstances, basically meaning the sisters only summon crocodile summons.

However, thinking about it, making the first part consistent will already be pretty damn hard without Alice or Satori.

Honestly the no Satori/Byakuren restriction makes thinking of good advice hard. The holes left by leaving them out are rather hard to fill.

>>11121366

Good enough. I'll make it work!

>>11121366
>However, thinking about it, making the first part consistent will already be pretty damn hard without Alice or Satori.
Ayaya with bait formation, EVA items, EVA field skill.

>>11121945

Exactly what I'm doing, and it's working. Survival is going fine. Damage is the problem. It's starting to seem impossible, but I'm just waiting for that one streak of good RNG to fly my way!

>>11120692

I wanted to craft these two, but TWO Adamantite and TWO Orichalcum is just ridiculous. I don't know where to farm 2 shards of both in reasonable time.

>>11122146
>Damage is the problem.
Mokou with Turtlesmasher and +5 bombs accessory did a fine job on two of the sisters for me. She didn't take them out alone, but helped a lot.

>>11122312

If I put either Patchy or Mokou in the phase 1 team, it's a cakewalk of dimensions. Thing is, I can't! I'm stuck with my worst damage dealers in phase 1 for various reasons, and it's fucking us up big time. I'm pretty sure phase 3 at this point is going to be easier than phase 1 given that Alice has pretty much all the items she needs to negate any damage coming from the final form.

>>11122478

New thread. Surprise!