/jp/ - Otaku Culture

those bullets always make me nervous even though i know their hitboxes is laughably small

they're so deceptive

>>11003030
I hate the bullets that look like knives.

>>11003030
Aren't they cute?

>>11003035
They ARE knives

I am the only one on /jp/ who likes curvy lasers.

The best kind of bullet is the one that indicates a direction, and its sprite-to-hitbox ratio is as near 1 as possible.

Kunai, arrows and those bullets with some kind of shield in front, get out.

>>11003072
I hate curvy lasers because of the fuck-huge thick ones that Shinki sends at you

Please delete this stillborn abomination of thread and let the same person make the proper one, with challenges and all. Thank you.

>first :)

Somebody please make a proper thread, instead of this offboarder who can't even use the archives.

>>11003142
diy if you're going to complain

>>11003167
I can't delete a thread I didn't create.

>>11003086
Is that STB? Does anyone else think that game is insanely difficult?

I somehow managed to get up to stage 3 before realising you could take pictures from a distance and hold the shot button down while focused to charge your camera quicker. Even after figuring those two tricks out I haven't managed to clear a single level of stage 3 yet.

>>11003286
It's difficult because you have to think about when and where to clear bullets, some spell cards are pretty much impossible to dodge if you don't clear the bullets correctly.

>>11003296
The thing I found so unforgiving was how short the delay between the enemy's shots was. I was pinned to the lower section of the screen for the most part; by the time I'd managed to evade one set of bullets, another was already upon me.

>>11003024
Do these bullets have names? I call those demon-bullets because they're first used by Koakuma, and then Remilia and Flandre (Patchouli also uses them on some spells)

>>11003286
Are you streaming? Cards got a thousand times easier when I first learned to stream properly. It was honestly sort of disappointing because manic dodging is more fun.

Ergh, I'm not sure how to go about practicing games without a practice mode. It feels like I'm not making any progress.

>>11003550
bubble bullets

Opps

Holy HELL I had no idea how much harder Patchouli's spell cards were when you play as needle Reimu compared to homing Reimu

>>11003030
And then you go back to playing EoSD and die to Koakuma?
well, I do.
>>11003895
Patchouli's card setup changes depending on who you are yeah, it's fun shit. Marisa B is my favorite.

MoF and SA are so much harder for a normal-mode player it's ridiculous. Boss: Oh you used a bomb? LIKE I GIVE A SHIT

>>11003882
>28/58
Damn son. All my cards in IN are like 12/80 because I tackle all of the cards that are vastly above my level and die like 50 times. Fucking hourai elixir ass cunts.

>>11003024
i FUCK LOVE BUBBLES

Good morning

what's the hardest bullet to dodge?

>>11005488
that one over there

>>11005492
WOAH that was a close one

>>11005495
GJ!

Is it true that most people just start with Lunatic and play it near flawlessly?!

>>11005710
That seems very un-true

>>11005718
As an inexperienced scrub, I'd think that most people end Lunatic runs on 0/0.

But a lot of inexperienced people seem to have little to no problems with Lunatic.

>>11003550
>I call those demon-bullets because secondary bullshit

why are these threads so shitty lately

>>11005819
Your post is of quality equal to this thread. Thank you.

>>11005819
Because everybody in these threads are shitty and untalented.

These threads have been pretty bad since like, a year ago brosephiroth.

What is your favorite 2hu game and why, /jp/.

>>11006286
DDC, because wolf-lady.

WHY IS SHE SO FUCKING HARD

>>11006472
cuz she wants to fuck lmao

>>11006472
because you're not good enough. keep practicing.

>>11006472
She is one bad pussy.

IRC, come back to us. I thought there were other good players/posters who hung out solely in these threads but obviously not.

Time to start thinking of a handle for STG forums...

>>11006496
Are there more 'guides' like that out there?

>>11006519
Tell me the IRC secret to getting good at these games and maybe I'll try. It seems like every time I ask for advice, I'm ignored. Or I get some clever crap like, "practice makes perfect :V"

>>11006472
I just can't believe how tough she is. Okuu feels like an puppy in comparison.
>>11006534
I'd also like to know, these kinda things are really useful.
I try to find annotated guides in youtube but typically its hit and miss.

>>11006472
As a guy who FINALLY beat her, like a month ago, I'll try to help with what I can. Ask away.
I am going to throw out that I'm not really good enough to beat her with most characters yet, but Reimu/Aya helps WONDERS since she can shoot from any angle.

>>11006547
>>11006534
It would be nice to have a wiki that collects this king of guides.

>>11006534
I saved this one a while back.

I guess ill post what I have of my annotated videos
An "okay" guide for PCB extra first run
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loxT1B3IyxU
IN extra
http://youtu.be/tACAYUgYcBs
I really detailed and well done video on SA extra, I think he may have done a IN normal as well
http://youtu.be/rRhg81Xv5Is

I'll post them as I find them

>>11006554
Her first spell card as a cat (cat walk?) & the two none-spellcard before and after the exploding rings are the most difficult parts for me
Otherwise everything else is just stupid deaths

>>11006536
Well what do you expect, practice is the only way to improve. That or cheat stating, but your scores wouldn't be legit that way.

>>11006536
Touhou is 25% prior knowledge 25% skill and 50% panic control
Practice for skill
Practice to discipline
and then come here when you have specific questions or trouble with certain parts

>>11006652
I would disagree completely, but you're probably better than me and know best.

>>11006640
Cheat stating? You mean making a save state to practice stuff later on in the game? I've made states starting at some second loop stuff, but that's only because it's tedious to go through the first to practice those parts for only a few seconds.

>>11006652
If I play a whole lot of DOJBL and Strikers and RFJ every day, will I be good at 2hu? I've mostly been practicing for two or so hours a day, examining why I died on certain patterns and then trying to correct those mistakes the next time. If I'm 1/1000 on something, I'll just write it off as a bomb until I get better. Which makes me feel like shit.

How do I defeat Mokou's first spellcard

>>11007104
just wait until you get to possessed by phoenix.

>>11007122
I can beat that one but I still have trouble with her first.

Also, does it mean anything of significance when Alice's beam turns red? And what causes it?

>>11007128
It means your youkai gauge is full.

>>11007104
Its one of her hardest and its mostly just a skill thing. Try to stay far to the left when the spell starts and move through the rice when you feel comfortable.
the knifes will build up on the left side and then you can work over to the right.
You still might have to go under the knifes but usually she'll be dead if you practice your timing

>>11007122
Volcano is far worst

>>11007128
I'm almost certain its just a point mod

Is there a bullet hotbox chart of some sort
Sanae unrelated

>>11007486
Epic pic dude

I feel like I'm never going to be good at tohou. It's painful because it's the only thing I do.

>>11007661
It's all muscle memory just like playing an instrument or riding a bike.

Can't you ride a bike, anon?

>>11007672
I can, but I'm a horrible piano player

>>11007672
no, it's not muscle memory

it's all in your head

How do you beat Yuyuko?

>>11007742
Are you honestly telling me you have never started daydreaming while playing and still done well?

Most people will agree that it's muscle memory.

>>11007795
no, you die if you daydream

avoiding tunnel vision is not the same as daydreaming

i tried Zun's recommendation of drinking alcohol to play on lunatic and now I can't get past the second stage. Being drunk feels awful.

>>11007813
yeah, I tried it too

no way, I always die

but it is sorta fun

>>11007813
Being drunk is so strange.
It's like your body still think it's capaable of your normal activities, but you try it out and fail miserably. I like it.

>>11007803
I've daydreamed before about halfway through Yuyuko's Stage 6 fight. Mainly during her easier attacks, and it was only on normal. As long as you just kind of keep on eye on things, it's not too bad. It almost got me killed on her second-to-last spellcard, though, so I had to snap back into focus.

>>11007803
>I die if I daydream

Not everyone is you.

>>11007813
>>11007816
>>11007823
I was planning on getting drunk for the first time just to see what it's like.

What would you recommend? Beer? Sake? Liquour? Which tastes the best and gets your drunk the easiest?

>>11007927
I recommend semen.

>>11007927
>Which tastes the best
None, I can tell you at least that.

>>11007927
Whiskey has a spicy taste to it that burns
Vodka tastes like acid
Rum will make you throw up
Gin tastes like pine trees
Beer tastes like tainted water

Whiskey will get you drunk the fastest.

>>11007927
Vodka and something to dilute it down.


Best bet.

the first time i saw these i thought of ovules. makes sense in an "all girls" game

yorgje pls.

>>11008013
i thought vodka was tasteless?

>>11007927
It doesn't matter what you drink, just how much and how fast.

Most medium-quality vodka shouldn't have much taste other than alcohol, and if you cool it in the freezer, you won't taste that either. It also mixes well into most anything you'd think.

Whiskey and Gin taste pretty strong, but they lose the edge really fast with cola and citrus lemonade respectively, making for a simple mixer that'll get you drunk easy.

Rum is murder, and beer and cider are only useful for socializing. The only good grace beer has for the inexperienced drinking at home is that you can't make the drink too strong when you stop tasting the alcohol and accidentally kill yourself.


If you've never had a drink before, the best way to do it is to have a few shots/drinks, wait half an hour, drink another two and wait. Gauge how strong an effect it has, and continue drinking at a leisurely pace.
If you feel nauseous, drinking more won't help.
If you feel very happy, drinking more is a bad idea.
Don't drink more than 15 shots/drinks (6dl of spirits), and drink lots of water. Before you start drinking, make sure you have a bucket with a drop of water in it near where you expect to pass out in, so you can throw up in it. Also have a jug of water prepared for the night/morning, you'll likely feel very thirsty. Might go ahead and leave a painkiller there as well.
If you're looking to get wasted, that is.
For playing Touhou badly, shotgunning three shots should be enough to give you a nice buzz, and you shouldn't get nauseous and won't get a hangover.

As for getting them down, the easiest way is the generations old technique, first conceived by some pussy ass nerd who couldn't hold his liquor like a real man, passed down as a joke ever since:
Pour two shots in a glass, let out half a breath, drink the shots, and before breathing in, follow with water, juice, lemonade or beer for the advanced. This way you'll taste nothing, and it'll leave no taste.

Have fun!

>>11007927
jagermeister

What are some good SNES/GB/GBA STGs?

>>11009341
Truxton, Raiden, Strike Force IV, the list could go on,,,

>>11009358
it couldn't tho, now could it

Look at this unoptimized piece of shit. Died when absolutely nothing touched me. Nothing was anywhere near me.
What a pathetic game, filled with countless flaws which people mistakenly call "good difficulty".
Battling with shit tier programing is not good difficulty.

Oh yeah, almost forgot. The score.dat isn't mine, so don't bother mentioning the spell history.

>>11009445
Do you have a replay of it?

>>11009445
Looks like you died since you hit a bullet. They tend to dissipate after you touch them. You would have to post a replay.

>>11009462
>>11009473
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=28660

No there was no bullet. I've watched the replay multiple times. Nothing came anywhere near me.

You'll have to forgive the bad play. I haven't played this stage in months.

>>11009445
>Look at this unoptimized piece of shit.
http://www.wordnik.com/words/unoptimized
I don't like the game either, but it hasn't been coded too badly compared to some of the games.

>Died when absolutely nothing touched me. Nothing was anywhere near me.
What >>11009473 said.
>What a pathetic game, filled with countless flaws which people mistakenly call "good difficulty".
I don't know what you're replying to, and if you're thinking of Touhou in general, or UFO. Difficulty of games tends to be highly subjective, although related to former experience in the games of the same type. Something caught my eye though, which was
>filled with countless flaws
You have listed one of these flaws, which I will not buy until you post a replay.
>Battling with shit tier programing is not good difficulty.
How come the UFO players who spend hours grinding it daily never complain about shit-tier programming?
>Oh yeah, almost forgot. The score.dat isn't mine, so don't bother mentioning the spell history.
Shit score, wouldn't hit.

Worst bullets are knife-type bullets.


And so, after a few months I ask again:
What fingers do you use to play Touhou?.

I use my middle finger for focus, my middle finger for shooting and my index finger for bombing.

I think it makes me react a bit quicker so I can deathbomb more often.


>>11009341
I only had a Snes...

What I can remember:
Axelay, R-type, Aero Fighters, Biometal, Gradius, Phalanx... the final stage of Sparkster, ha.

>>11009491
Looks like a laser to me. You almost pass it with the death immunity, but it fades just as you're about to leave the area.

You would've died anyway, though. The complete lack of strategy and execution lead to major mistakes, also, your stage route is awful. I'm not buying "I haven't played this stage for months", this doesn't look like your general case of rust: this looks like having little to no idea of what's going on.

>>11009533
A laser never hit me. I've watched the replay over and over again, it's as the picture I provided earlier shows. The laser isn't even close.

>>11009445
So delete the old score.dat after you've apparently pirated the game. It automatically creates a fresh one. Why would you want someone else's shitty scores?
>>11009508
I agree. I never die to the blades, just the handles. so that makes sense, not.
>middle finger for focus and shooting
what, do you like rest it between the keys?

>>11009508

Ring for focus, middle for shooting, index for bombs. Had to train a bit for Fairy Wars and TD Youmu though.

>>11009445
curious question from a lurker any idea how big the hitbox on that giant laser is?
The middle looks a little thicker, is that just asthetic or is it, in fact, a larger hit box?

>>11009445
>>11009491


I've been saying that UFO is an awful game for over a year now.
The only thing worse than the game is its fans, who are pretty much the scum of the Touhou community. No matter how many facts you provide them showing how terrible their game is, they will still deny it.

I'll check the replay later perhaps.

>>11009508
How do you shoot focused? Do you have one of those keyboards where there's no button between left shift and z?

I'm pretty sure most people use ring-middle-index, since for anyone with an average sized hand they would fall naturally on shift, z and x on a qwerty keyboard.

>>11009563
nope, UFO is mighty fun

didn't play it before since I didn't know how to install engpatch
turned out I just have to delete japanese characters from folder name

finally played it for the first time few weeks ago
having a blast ever since

it's awesome because, like pofv, it's not repetitive

>>11009557
>>11009572
I mean, ring finger for focus, middle for shooting and index for bombing. Like >>11009568

>>11009557
I have my pointing finger on x, middle finger on z, the next one on shift and the thumb and the small finger are useless

I thought it's normal? that's why the keys are next to each other?

I use my pink for shift, middle for z, index for x. I've found it eliminates the occasional error of coordinating your ring and middle finger, which has happened to me before.

>>11009572
>middle finger for focus and shooting

jesus you must have huge hands
post a picture because for normal person that's physically impossible

>>11009586
>it's awesome because, like pofv, it's not repetitive

How obvious. Are you even trying?
It's bar non the most repetitive game in the series.
Now fuck off and take your awful taste with you.

>>11009602


It's just something I learned to get used to. I don't use my pinky much, so it wouldn't be very helpful for games.

>>11009563

I don't know what it is, I've always disliked SA. Not even winning in it is fun. I always have this empty feeling while playing, it's the only game to do that to me.

>>11009622
no, actually, why do you think so?

you can combine UFOs in many different ways and if you pick by accident wrong color you have to change your strategy accordingly

it's fun since you can't play the stage from memory and you have to think all the time, no chance to space out

>>11009640
Yeah, it's more of a learned thing. I'm used to using my pinky because many FPS games will have shift and control mapped to actions, and it's just easier for me to move my pinky and middle finger independently than it is for me to move my index and ring.

>>11009569
As a general rule with lasers, the pure white is the hitbox. Hasn't failed me yet but I'm a noob, so...

>>11009602
Ohhhh i was wondering why it mattered what fingers people used.
Well if you play a musical instrument chances are you have the dexterity to move your ring/middle independent of each other.

>>11009638
Summoning different coloured UFOs doesn't magically make the stage different, you fucking moron.

>it's fun since you can't play the stage from memory

Except for the fact that UFOs stages are nothing but memo. You learn a UFO route and then tada, you never do anything different in said stage.


>>11009445
I watched your replay. You indeed died to, from what I could see, nothing. You have no excuse for playing as terrible as that though, especially in a game as easy as UFO.

Anyone here have an one of those neat arcade controllers?

>>11009695
>Game as easy as UFO.

It's definitely the hardest touhou game aside from SA

>>11009759
It definitely isn't.

>>11009780
It is. You're wrong. I'm also a better player than you.

>>11009795
It isn't. You're the one that is wrong. You're shit kid, I'm leagues, columns, digits better than you.

Come back when you stop finding easy games hard, then maybe, just maybe, you can delude yourself into thinking you're better than me.

>>11009818
I was born with more talent and motor skills than you have attempted to develop in your pathetic excuse for a STG career

>>11009851
The only talent you were born with would be the talent to suck dick, you pitiful faggot.
Come challenge me on DDC if you think you're better than me. Both of us streaming, no bombs allowed, first to die loses.
I predict you'll make it to Kagerou's midboss spell then fail it, like the worthless cunt you are.

>>11009875
I don't even know what DDC is. I just came into this thread to "troll" you. You shouldn't take posts so seriously. This is just a trial run, when you run into a real internet troll, he won't be generous. He will be relentless and won't stop in his attempt to make you angry. Good luck on your travels. Passive aggressive smiley face :)

>>11009879
Thanks for the tip. I'd hate to get trolled as hard as that ever again.

>>11009890
No problem. Here's another, when you realize someone is "trolling", you should stop responding

>>11009898
Sorry I'm new to this whole "trolling" thing, please be gentle with me.

Trolling?

what is this, 2008?

>>11009795
>>11009818
>>11009851
>>11009875
>>11009879
>>11009890
I fuckin you guys

Not that I want to be part of this shitstorm but UFO is most certainly one of the hardest touhou games
IA, MoF, and TD are the easy ones
EoSD, PCB can be a bitch but arn't grossly bad
UFO & SA are considered the hardest by most (including myself)
I mean, maybe if you really master your green ufo routes and just plan bomb all the hard shit even a scrub could beat lunatic 1cc, so I guess you could call that "easy"
anyway derp

>>11009909
Anon, you appear to have forgotten a verb to denote action in your attempted "sentence".

As a result, you only posted a sentence fragment, making yourself look pretty silly to your peers.

>>11009922
I didn't think it was ``silly''. It was pretty humorous to me

Indeed. Less is more when it comes to fucking guys

>>11009913
Yeah UFO is so hard that I can pacify the stage section for the first 4 stages with ease (pacified the first half of stage 5 on my first), I can perfect the first 4 bosses, also, with ease. Shou is the only remotely difficult boss. Byakuren looks pitiful when compared to Remi/Kaguya. Even if you do somehow struggle with Byakuren, her stage section gives you 5? 4? free bombs. Now considering her first, third, and fourth non spells are a joke, her second spell is memo, you can very easily bomb your way to victory in her fight. The only time you'd ever have to put a bit of effort into your dodging is for her final spellcard which is one of the easiest final spells in the series.

I don't even play UFO unless I need to and I'm good at it.

>>11009972
Shit player here. I always see Kaguya being considered difficult. Is this a higher difficulty thing? In my experience on normal she is by far the easiest end boss as I 1CC'd IN my second time ever reaching her with no practice.

I am a lazy and so I apologize if this has been answered before but which game is considered best for new players in Touhou?
In terms of difficulty where would the games rank?
Also would practicing by playing Shoot the Bullet and the other photography game be a good?

>>11010227
EoSD/PCB/IN for new players.

Difficulty of the games is subjective.

Is there a chart that shows the death radius of each bullet type?

>>11010227
>>11010305
I'd still suggest IN, since it has tons of lives, spell practise and the border team has a shitlong deathbomb gap, and all the spells on normal are simple to figure out, so it's easy to progress on. Pretty good for motivation and alright for general skill.

EoSD is pretty simple as well, and in theory the lag and non-visible hitbox make it more useful for learning how to look at the screen and how to plan your movements. If you can deal with the frustration, it's a good starting point.

The photography games are excellent for dodging practise, and quick to try again repeatedly. Pretty useful if you don't feel like playing a longer stage, but still want to make progress on something.

>>11010382
It's called a hitbox, and they're pretty straightforward once you get the hang of it. Usually they have a different coloured inner part which is what kills you.

>>11010418
How much of an effect does rank have in EoSD?

I learn how to chain 1-3 after about 7 months of grinding, and then I forget how to chain 1-1. I haven't even cleared the first loop yet, but this is just fucking soul crushing. I don't even want to clear at this point, I just want to be able to chain all of it.

What is a good STG I can play to forget about my slowbrain syndrome and the scoring system of doj?

UFO is the hardest in every aspect, both for scoring and survival. It also has the objectively best scoring system and gimmick. All the good players say so, it must be true.

>>11011695
All of the good players are objectively shit, so their opinions mean nothing.

>>11011717
Their opinions mean more than the vocal shit players that inhabit this thread.

>>11011695
Stop trying to cause arguments. Difficulty is a broad spectrum.

>>11011576
Try Sorcer Striker. No score system, just pure shootan/dodgan fun, and the first loop is pretty easy.

>>11011695
Only the most vocal ones are shit. Those top players on IRC who talk shit all the time? Yeah, they're shitters. Only the ones in the secret underground club are actually any good at these games, and they only use :V ironically to piss off the ones considered, "good."

Really though, I find CAVE games piss easy, but Touhou is pretty much impossible for me.

>>11011744
Their opinions don't hold any more weight than the opinion of shitters.

>>11011749
>Really though, I find CAVE games piss easy
roast you are scores

>>11011749sage
meant for
>>11011717
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>>11011744
I wish people would get good at these games, but I always get really mad at new players for messing up easy things. I go on to complain 30 minutes after the beginner leaves IRC because there isn't any competition. ;_;

>>11011749
>Only the ones in the secret underground club are actually any good at these games, and they only use :V ironically to piss off the ones considered, "good."
As one of the underground players, I can confirm that :V is not used ironically.

>>11011781
What does :V mean anyway?

>>11011745
Looks fun, I'll try it. Thanks anon!

>>11011802
It's an emoticon used by IRCfags and MoTK guys. I usually see it after they make a condescending comment. It's a bird or some shit.

If I whisper "UFO is the hardest" into MaZe's ear, will he have angry sex with me?

>>11011825
Seems like when people argue with MaZe, they like to think that they won afterwards and pass everything off with passive aggressive one liners to hide their frustration. It's really quite amusing.

>>11011825
No. I'll just whisper "get good" in your ear and walk away.

>>11011836
That is my favourite part too. I'm glad you took note of that, mysterious anon.

>>11003024
Those arrow shapped bullets are the worse. I swear I run into the last part of the hitbox at the end of the tail

>>11011802
An emoticon invented by 'Boris' (he is long gone now). If you see someone using it you are well adviced to avoid that person.

>>11011862
MaZe, you are a huge bully. I've asked you so many times about a doj route and you've completely ignored me each and every time. ;_; You also ignore my requests to play IaMP, you big jerk. You meanie head, you bully, you dork.

>>11011862
>>11011877
Take your discussion to #kusoplay where it belongs.

>>11011885
I've never even been on IRC except for netplaying shitty fighting games, sorry.

Is this a secret underground IRC tourneyGOD group? Will I learn how to psikyo there?

DoDonCatch

>>11011893
If you adress people with their name I can only assume you use IRC or something of the like. Whatever it is, your discussion could be held there instead of in this thread. I also don't know what you are talking about in the second part of your post, please keep your delusions to yourself.

>>11011877
>>11011893
I don't play those games unfortunately. We can hold hands though, if you want.
Oh and ignore >>11011885 . He is more than likely just upset because you're talking to me.

Besides, kusoplay is below me. I only go to the super secret IRC group where super players such as myself belong (I'm sort of banned from kusoplay too).

>>11011893
I can clear Strikers with only 10 credits or so. Want some tips?

If you want to post fanart of a charachter, please do create a thread of your own for that. I'd rather keep the STG/Touhou threads for discussion about the actual games and when you get more fanart than actual screenshots in a thread like this it somewhat nullifies the original purpose.r

>>11005710

Depends on if you're superman or not.

>>11005819

I feel the need to jump on someone for making a name up for something in the absence of one to convince everyone I'm a primary.

Fuck off.

>>11006519

Fuck off and stop bitching.

>>11007927

Easy at first because of Dutch courage and the fact that you don't panic as much, but after a certain point of drunkenness you turn shit, obviously because you react too slow.

>>11007813

Then it likely won't happen for you. I experience an increase in skill as I get merry, but after 6 or so cans I turn fucking shit. Mainly because I lose a life and think "its all cool, I won't lose another" and then fly into a bullet five seconds later. Don't forget, you're not ZUN, he's likely so pickled he doesn't even feel the bad effects of alcohol any more. His liver has probably evolved a way to create energy from it by now.

>>11007823

Like this guy says, you think you're perfectly fine, but your body just cannot do shit.

This thread is absolute shit. I wish I could delete it from the archive as well.