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Before I was born, my face looked like this.

>>108580
Before your parents were born, you were a fetus?

Zen is the art of answering completely nonsensical questions. Like the properties of things that don't exist.

Much like every religion amirite

>>108581
Many of the religions I am familiar with are the art of accepting completely nonsensical answers.

Something like this.

>>108586
Yes. I AM THE TIME CHILD!

>>108581
Yeah, and Zen just happens to be honest about that fact.

>>108581

The purpose of Zen is not to answer nonsensical questions. Koans are merely tools in which ti understand that logic is subjective and has no place in the psychology of everyday life.

The ultimate goal of Zen is to overcome the go in order to achieve awareness of the self. Once this is achieved, it is possible to live, and enjoy, life without worrying about subjective ideas (like religion).

The purpose of Zen is not to answer nonsensical questions. Koans are merely tools in which ti understand that logic is subjective and has no place in the psychology of everyday life.

The ultimate goal of Zen is to overcome the ego in order to achieve awareness of the self. Once this is achieved, it is possible to live, and enjoy, life without worrying about subjective ideas (like religion).

In fact, Zen denies the practice of religion because it is imperative to focus on life right now, on earth. Those who practice religion are too aught up in the otherworldly to live life right here, right now, at this very moment.

>>108590
>>108580

How could you be a fetus before your parents were born? At that time you weren't even an idea.

There's a million dollars in your house, but to find it, first you have to forget that you live in a house.

>>108628
Zen is the art of achieving disassociation without shrooms?

>>108636 see >>108596

>>108654

Well, Zen is very personal, so it means different things to different people. However, I do believe that Zen allows one to realize the self and live life for the moment instead of in the confines of reason and logic, which can sometimes be subjective and ever changing.

I was quite handsome

>>108673
Logic is subjective? What?

>>108685

>sometimes

>>108685
>>108685

>logic, which can sometimes be subjective

Nansen saw the monks of the eastern and western halls fighting over a cat. He seized the cat and told the monks: `If any of you say a good word, you can save the cat.'

No one answered. So Nansen boldly cut the cat in two pieces.

That evening Joshu returned and Nansen told him about this. Joshu removed his sandals and, placing them on his head, walked out.

Nansen said: `If you had been there, you could have saved the cat.'

I've got your subjective logic right here:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2478312

>>108685
>>108685

>logic, which can sometimes be subjective

Sometimes. Especially when it pertains to psychological, or mental, reasons and logic. That's my opinion

>>108705
And they all had delicious cat for dinner.

Electronic brain pancake crystal elderly. Am I zen yet?

Wait, so just because I like to live my life on the momment, and don't worry about stuff I don't have control of (even if they affect me directly) means I praticed zen and didn't even knew it?

>>108735

pretty close

>>108735
you mean the fisherman, right?

>>108711
It's not really a matter of opinion. Logic is a set of rules that is inherently objective. Axioms that you apply logic to to infer things can and are subjective, but logic itself is not.

See the invisible! Touch the untouchable!

>>108761

Row Row fight da power

>>108751

You are right by saying that >Axioms that you apply logic to to infer things can and are subjective.

However, Logic can also be subjective. Logic is defined as principles governing correct or reliable inference. Can we not agree that "corrective inference" is subjective in itself? And since it is the principle quality of logic, then can we not say that logic is, therefore, SOMETIMES subjective?

The objective of zazen and zen thought games is to achieve a mental malfunction much like "religious experiences" all over the world. Something the practitioner feels is significant. At that point the teacher (religious authority) comes along and explains it in a way that validates his particular philosophy.

>>108751
You are right by saying that >Axioms that you apply logic to to infer things can and are subjective.

However, Logic can also be subjective. Logic is defined as principles governing correct or reliable inference. Can we not agree that "corrective inference" is subjective in itself? And since "correct" is one of the principle qualities
of logic, then can we not say that logic is, therefore, SOMETIMES subjective?

>>108751

>>108794
>>108751

Good conversation. Gotta go to work

>>108794
Shit, I just totally had a zen experience, trying to wrap my brain around the idea that "1+1=coffee" is just as valid as "1+1=2".

Tokusan was studying Zen under Ryutan. One night he came to Ryutan and asked many questions. The teacher said: `The night is getting old. Why don't you retire?'

So Tukusan bowed and opened the screen to go out, observing: `It is very dark outside.'

Ryutan offered Tokusan a lighted candle to find his way. Just as Tokusan received it, Ryutan blew it out. At that moment the mind of Tokusan was opened.

`What have you attained?' asked Ryutan.

`From now on,' said Tokusan, `I will not doubt the teacher's words.'

The next day Ryutan told the monks at his lecture: `I see one monk among you. His teeth are like the sword tree, his mouth is like the blood bowl. If you hit him hard with a big stick, he will not even so much as look back at you. Someday he will mount the highest peak and carry my teaching there.'

On that day, in front of the lecture hall, Tokusan burned to ashes his commentaries on the sutras. He said: `However abstruse the teachings are, in comparison with this enlightenment they are like a single hair to the great sky. However profound the complicated knowledge of the world, compared to this enlightenment it is like one drop of water to the great ocean.' Then he left the monastry.

I BUY SAUSAGE

Two monks were arguing about a flag. One said: `The flag is moving.'

The other said: `The wind is moving.'

The sixth patriach happened to be passing by. He told them: `Not the wind, not the flag; mind is moving.'

>>108794
Logic - and therefore the scientific process - is inherently correct. Any claim to the contrary is just mental masturbation with no basis in reality.

Buddhist monks just have a really dry sense of humor.

void* p = malloc(0);

>>108854
Two pedos were raping a loli. One said: `The ponos is moving.'

The other said: `The vagoo is moving.'
Moot happened to be passing by. He told them: `Not the ponos, not the vagoo; /jp/ is moving.'

What did your face look like before your parents were born?
I didn't exist, so it couldn't look like anything. But one can pose the question in natural language. Therefor, natural language allows for questions without answers. It is thus possible that some questions to which I don't know the answer may not have answers. It would be a profound waste of my resources to try to solve such a question, even if that question seems of pivotal importance.

Dude, koans are keys to the secrets of the universe, man. The number of retard people who can't solve them just proves their value. If you can't solve them, why not be a rockstar instead?

oh here's one i understand

A monk told Joshu: `I have just entered the monastery. Please teach me.'

Joshu asked: `Have you eaten your rice porridge?'

The monk replied: `I have eaten.'

Joshu said: `Then you had better wash your bowl.'

At that moment the monk was enlightened.

>>108571
why the 松竹梅?

not a fan of koans myself. much more a fan of sitting zazen and occasionally being whacked upside the head with a big stick until i reach enlightenment.

Sitting still and pondering the navel will accomplish nothing except a better understanding of your navel. Buddha never intended anyone to spend their lives sitting and living as asthetics, something he figured out on his own was useless. As best I could tell, all he wanted everyone to understand was that suffering in inevitable with life, as the root of suffering is desire, something we experience immediately after birth until we die. He proved this by freeing his mind of desire, and such acheived life free of suffering.

But never, never assume the goal of your life is to live free of suffering and desire. Just understand the world around you, thats what he wanted. So just question everything, never belive anything unless is agrees with your own judgement and common sense, and do your best.

Thats it. everything else, every other school of buddhism is just pileing religeous bullshit ontop of one wise mans life work and teaching.

/would have been monk

also, buddhist have the best sense of humor, and you know every buddhist likes a good story

>>108705
The answer, at least to me, is that no one can never say any "good" word since we are imperfect, so thus being humble, he put his sandals on his head to signify that his ego was something less than dirt.

"I gained nothing at all from Supreme Enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called Supreme Enlightenment."

-- Gotama Buddha

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Buddha's last words: "Decay is inherent in all compounded things. Strive unceasingly."

Buddha stated the second law of thermodynamics. His inherent understanding still amazes me.

- William A. Russell

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Before he became a hermit, Zarathud was a young Priest, and took great delight in making fools of his opponents in front of his followers.

One day Zarathud took his students to a pleasant pasture and there he confronted The Sacred Chao while She was contentedly grazing.

"Tell me, you dumb beast," demanded the Priest in his commanding voice, "why don't you do something worthwhile? What is your Purpose in Life, anyway?"

Munching the tasty grass, The Sacred Chao replied "MU". (The Chinese ideogram for NO-THING.)

Upon hearing this, absolutely nobody was enlightened.

Primarily because nobody understood Chinese.

>>112087
try again

Once the monks of the eastern and western Zen halls in Nansen's temple were
quarrelling about a cat. As he saw this, Nansen held up the cat and said,
"You monks! If one of you can say a word, I will not slay the cat."
No one could answer. Nansen cut the cat in two. Nansen told Joshu what had
happened, and asked him for his view. Joshu thereupon took his sandals, put
them upon his head and went away. Nansen said,
"If you had been there, I could have spared the cat."

>>112157
Ok, this was awesome, where can I find more of this stuff?

Verily, I advise you: depart from me, and guard yourselves against Zarathustra! And better still: be ashamed of him! Perhaps he hath deceived you. The man of knowledge must be able not only to love his enemies, but also to hate his friends. One requiteth a teacher badly if one remain merely a student. And why will ye not pluck at my wreath? Ye venerate me; but what if your veneration should some day collapse? Take heed lest a statue crush you! Ye say, ye believe in Zarathustra? But of what account is Zarathustra! Ye are my believers: but of what account are all believers! Ye had not yet sought yourselves: then did ye find me. So do all believers; therefore all belief is of so little account. Now do I bid you lose me and find yourselves; and only when ye have all denied me, will I return unto you.