/jp/ - Otaku Culture

It has more to do with Japanese filmography and respectable novels than anything most of us are going to end up reading.

>>10673941
I was going to open that link but then I noticed it's tumblr and I'd like to advise you not to use the crossboard feature.

>>10673964
That one article is in the clear. When you look past the horrible userbase, tumblr is just yet another blogging site.

>>10673964
Go away with your /b/tard reasons.

Tumblr is just a hosting platform. 0.00001% of its content is actually pretty okay.

Might as well complain about certain TLDs or something.

>>10673980
>>10673989
Just another blogging site in a sea of blogging sites. The fact someone chooses tumblr over the others says a lot about their personality.

>>10674001
I guess that applies to most people, but you shouldn't be too judgemental. As a service it's not that bad (though it's not especially good either--I made a joke Tumblr a few months ago, it took me a while to figure out how to post things and change the name of my blog).

Though I'd definitely recommend something like WordPress to people who want to start a serious blog. That is, the software itself, I'm not too sure about the WordPress.com service.

The thing I just hope most for is that the "reblogging" fad dies. I don't need to know you liked or +1'd something and want to share it. There is some genuinely good content out there, and I'm all for sharing it around, but there's no reason to have a website dedicated to what links you've visited today.

>>10674001

Says the man on 4chan, where the most popular boards are known for their quality and intelligent users.

that was an adorable comic

>>10675947
Thanks man, I drew it.

no, let's discuss about how that comic is cute instead

>>10673941
Very interesting article.
So, basically all SoL mangas are based on this structure, right?

>>10676503
Most Chinese/Japanese narratives in general. 4koma manga uses this structure in its simplest form.

This is probably the reason why westerners have a lot of problems with Japanese stories and think they're boring or have bad endings.

>>10676565
They ARE boring and have bad endings.

Hundreds of cultures from around the world have independently figured out how to tell a good story. We've also had works like Aristotle's Poetics for over two millennia, and they're still pretty damn relevant today.
Japan is the only one who got it wrong. It's like everyone else figured out music and harmony and tone, and they're still banging on sticks like a bunch of retards.

>>10676565
You can also find it in newspaper four-panels.

>>10678349
Post the one comparing Renaissance art and Japanese woodcuts.

>>10678349
Rhythm is the most important aspect of music anyway fag.

>>10678364
I originally included rhythm but I deleted it for some reason. I honestly don't know anything about music, but I did once watch a neat video that explained how a lot of isolated cultures came up with the same rules for music. It was pretty interesting, anyone have it?

>>10678363

>>10678373
Maybe it is because someone created rule for music and applied it on others as well.

>>10678388
I said "isolated". Apparently, both nigger tribes and sophisticated aristocrats came up with the same basic rules on what makes good music. Obviously some things sound good to humans and some things don't, but there are also some mathematical foundations to key signatures and stuff, and a lot of people derived them independently of each other.

I like stories that don't follow the traditional Western pattern. They feel more natural. A plot like "X happened and people deal with it" (or even in the extreme case, "X happened") does have some conflict, but it doesn't necessarily to have rising action, action, or conclusion.

>>10678390
That is interesting.... So does that mean everyone came up with same allegro, moderato and so on? Maybe with different names but... Of course there are some notes that don't sound good for anyone when combined. I think I could understand that. But if everyone came up with same tempo I'm going to shit myself this instant.

>>10678393
That should be "climax." Although it doesn't have to have substantial action either.

>>10678364
No, it's not.

>>10676452
Really? Did you draw any other ones?

>>10678349
>They ARE boring and have bad endings.
I fucking hate idiots like you who think difference is deficit and assume pride in the most meaningless of things, particularly the achievements of some other group.

Aristotle isn't even relevant anymore. No one adheres to those conventions of drama; look at any modern book or movie. What's funny is that the most cathartic pieces I've enjoyed as of late have all been Japanese.

>>10673941
>U~U~

>>10678462
Do it.

>>10678453
>Aristotle isn't even relevant anymore. No one adheres to those conventions of drama; look at any modern book or movie.

They seriously do. Most movies follow the three-act structure he described.

Hell, he even called out the gimmicks of too much special effects 2000 years early. Guy was like proto-Nostradamus.

>>10678453
>Aristotle isn't even relevant anymore

>>10678568
I was actually referring to trends such as the overuse of Spectacle. Few, if any, modern works adhere to the traditional aims or principles of traditional comedy or tragedy. The works that were once created to remind us of our humanity are now desperately artificial. Even if they did touch us, the themes, ideas, and presentation are considerably different considering the fact that there are two millennia of philosophy and literature to separate the artists of today with the ancient Greeks. Barring experimental work, of course they use the three-act structure because western narratives are rooted in that. That is not what I'm contending, though I understand if I worded that poorly. I'm pretty tired.

Also, in reference to your pic, don't you think it's needlessly restrictive? Anytime I watch a movie, I can tell exactly what they're doing. These stories rarely do anything for me anymore. They're boring. Why else would people explore nonlinear narratives and experiment? Structure doesn't matter insofar as it provides a means to express substance.

>>10678996
>doesn't matter
*only matters

>>10678349
Name the chunks of the world that didn't have contact with Rome or Constantinople where Poetics was widely used to analyze narrative that came up with it on their own, in their own words not the words of the various cultures that had exposure to Poetics.

TLDR: Roman shit is everywhere. That doesn't make it universal.

>>10673989
>0.00001% of its content is actually pretty okay.
So the 99.99999% of the rest is absolute garbage?

Gee, I wonder if that's enough of a ratio to consider the entire site shit? The answer is yes.

>>10678390
>>10678373
Outside of the most basic principals of harmonics that are rooted in physical properties there is jack shit for universals in music. Every other damn culture has it's crazy ass tuning scales (look anywhere outside of the north hemisphere of the western world and you'll find non-major tuned scales), percussive structures have insane variations to the point that people argue we shouldn't even use our style of music notation for some African beats (we do anyways because there's got to be some damn way to talk about it). On top of that we keep breaking music's rules all over the place and gluing the bits back together in new ways. Jazz is a perfect example of this, Noise a more extreme example.

>>10679058
What he was saying that you should separate one article from the blog, and the blog from the site. Even if all of Tumblr is shit, this article can have some good qualities, and I think it does. I think that's what he wanted to say, at least.

>>10678453
>What's funny is that the most cathartic pieces I've enjoyed as of late have all been Japanese.
Not really funny.

/lit/ normies pls go

>>10673941