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No because Youmu would then be a 3/4ths ghost.

>>10618329

It can if it works in terms of Mendelean Genetics.

In the genetic level, a "full ghost" could be conceived as a result of having two dominant "ghost" alleles (GG), and a "half ghost" has one dominant "ghost" and a dominant "human" allele (GH). If a full-ghost (GG), and a half-ghost (GH) were to breed, then there'd be a 50% chance that the offspring would be a half-ghost (GH) and a 50% chance that it'd be a full ghost (GG).

In this example, Youmu would've gotten a ghost allele from Yuyuko and a Human allele from Youki.

>>10618352
No, because this doesn't work like that

take your middle-school level genetics away

>>10618352
Please think in my mental capacity when posting complex stuff, thank you.

>>10618357

Actually, the whole full-ghost x half-ghost = 3/4 ghost argument makes no sense whatsoever when you think about it.

What happens when two half-ghosts mate? The common argument is to say a half-ghost always results from the offspring. But therein lies a problem: How do we know if the ghost genes and human genes transfer to the offspring equally?

What's preventing the ghost genes of both parents being tranfered over to the offspring without any of the human genes?

What's preventing human genes of both parents from transferring to the offspring without the ghost genes?

>>10618329 's argument is not necessarily about genetics, but rather about ethnicity, which typically goes beyond genetics and more into what society defines what is in an offspring.

That's why I never dismissed the idea of Yuyuko fucking Youki and having Youmu as a result.

>>10618352
I think you take too many assumptions.
Do you really think the undead such as a bourei (like Yuyuko) are fertile?

We refer to Youmu as a half-ghost because she has two bodies, one resembles the average ghost. She even lacks some basic human nature as Miko finds Youmu is missing two desires.
The only aspect half-ghosts seem to share with humans is that they have a limited lifespan, and one of their bodies seems to be similar to a human's.

Youmu isn't literally half ghost and half human, it's just that her soul is outside her body. It's probably a family curse. If that is the case, her lineage can marry humans for a thousand generations and they will still have half ghosts as offspring, because that's how family curses roll.

>>10618352
There is a difference between 幽霊 and 亡霊 in Zun's works. Yoki only got to know Yuyuko as the head of the Netherworld so speculating that they mated is moot to begin with, but even if they somehow did Youmu would have become some bastard mix of those two which she isn't.

>>10618690
>>10618377
They are literally an own species for themselves. They are neither human, phantom or an actual half-breed.

>>10618550

>Do you really think the undead such as a bourei (like Yuyuko) are fertile?

If zombies can have babies like they do in the Day of the Dead, then I'd say ghosts can as well. I prefer to think of the act of becoming ghosts/undead as merely transitioning to a different type of life form.

>>10619034

>They are literally an own species for themselves. They are neither human, phantom or an actual half-breed.

That makes even less sense. You don't say a person is a "half-human, half-phantom" species if a person doesn't have genes/traits of both. If a "half-ghost" creature was its own species, it wouldn't be classified as a "half-ghost" to begin with. That's a pretty big assumption in and of itself.

>>10619941
>If a "half-ghost" creature was its own species, it wouldn't be classified as a "half-ghost" to begin with.

Maybe it's a misnomer.

>>10619947

That's not exactly very well-supported assumption though, you know?

>>10618352
>Human allele
The very concept of such a thing is silly. Humanity is expressed in more than one gene.

>>10618377
>What happens when two half-ghosts mate?
Perhaps it depends on how exactly they mate. To wit: if the two human halves do the, er, mating, then the resulting offspring is full human. If both ghost halves do it, then the result is a full phantom. If one half-ghost's ghost half does it with the other's human half, then we get a half-ghost.

Then again, that does raise the question of if it's possible for a half-ghost's ghost half to mate with the human half.

>>10619956
>To wit: if the two human halves do the, er, mating, then the resulting offspring is full human. If both ghost halves do it, then the result is a full phantom. If one half-ghost's ghost half does it with the other's human half, then we get a half-ghost.

This sounds extremely legit and not at all like bullshit.

>>10619956

>The very concept of such a thing is silly. Humanity is expressed in more than one gene.

This is Gensokyo we're talking about. Everything about it is pretty silly.

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Perhaps it depends on how exactly they mate. To wit: if the two human halves do the, er, mating, then the resulting offspring is full human. If both ghost halves do it, then the result is a full phantom. If one half-ghost's ghost half does it with the other's human half, then we get a half-ghost.

Interesting, but that doesn't really explain why full-like Yuyuko can retain a humanoid form...

>>10619956

>The very concept of such a thing is silly. Humanity is expressed in more than one gene.

This is Gensokyo we're talking about. The whole idea of ghosts and half-ghosts even existing is pretty silly. That's why you gotta roll with it.

>Perhaps it depends on how exactly they mate. To wit: if the two human halves do the, er, mating, then the resulting offspring is full human. If both ghost halves do it, then the result is a full phantom. If one half-ghost's ghost half does it with the other's human half, then we get a half-ghost.

Interesting, but that doesn't really explain why full-like Yuyuko can retain a humanoid form...

>>10619969

>Full-ghost like Yuyuko

>>10619969
>Interesting, but that doesn't really explain why full-like Yuyuko can retain a humanoid form...
Doesn't need to. Damn near everything in Gensokyo can retain a humanoid form.

If you really want to press me for an answer, let's go with because the ghost half is only that, half of a person, it can't sustain humanform for very long. (Do note that ghost halves can for at least some amount of time, e.g. Ghostly Wheel of Pain/Secret of Life and Death

Ghosts can't reproduce and Youmu is human with curse and a detached soul = not dead.

>>10619977

Does that mean Yuyuko did a "threesome" with Youki by having him turn his ghost-half into a humanoid and fucking both his human and ghost halves at once?

>>10619982
>Youmu is human with curse and a detached soul
It's not a curse, that's just how the Konpaku family is.

Well, I mean, maybe their entire family was cursed at some point, but she seems pretty okay with her situation so it doesn't seem like that bad of a curse.

>>10619986
Uh, sure, I guess? If you're into that sort of thing.

>>10619986
Hurrr durrr, if someone does a fivesome the child doesn't become a mix of five people.

>>10619996

No shit, it can only be the child of the one whose sperm cell reaches the egg first.

Or maybe it can...?

Zun made half-phantoms into an own species. That's all there is to it.

Also, ghost can't bear children to begin with.