/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>10317666
Visual Novels are very much an acquired taste. However, an issue people have when approaching visual novels, especially newcomers, is they view it as some kind of 'game'. This is not true. Approach it more like you'd approach a book, just one with visual and audio elements. If you want to play a game, play a game. If you want to read a book, read a book or try out a VN. I'm not saying reading a VN is like reading a book, I'm just saying they're more similar than playing a game and you should approach it similarly to how you'd approach a book.
>asking for advice. Can you point me to the direction of a visual novel that is shorter/more energetic and feels more like a "game"
www.google.com
They do exist but /jp/ won't help you because you're a faggot.

The only thing /jp/ hates more than KS is outsiders.

Go back to /r9k/, boy. We don't care for your kind round these parts.

katawa shoujo is good

you are not going to fit in by parroting what you've heard in other threads

see these NUTS?

SUCK THEM!

>>10317716

This made me non-ironically burst out laughing very hard.

Thanks dude.

>>10317666
If you want a game just play a game
why do you even want to play a VN?

Wanko to Kurasou, Over the Rainbow, Saya no Uta, Bible Black, Lets Meow Meow, The Maiden Rape Assault – Violent Semen Inferno.

>>10317710
Hilarious, since you come across as an outsider.
Go back to /v/, boy.

>>10317710
I'm probably one of the few people on /jp/ who actually enjoyed ks. I've been browsing /jp/ since the split from /a/ and I was reading VNs shortly before that so it's not like I was new or anything when I started ks, but I thought it was a nice, enjoyable story. It wasn't ground breaking and it wasn't great, but it was still a good read and enjoyable.

>>10317703
Thanks a lot you cunt. No, seriously, that was helpful, but you're still kind of a cunt.

>>10317710
But you seemed nice enough fellows to ask. Oh well.

>>10317712
I'm not trying to fit in. No, seriously, I heard only the best from /r9k/, just two hours ago.

>>10317730
wait a sec u tryin to cheat me again

You can try Sengoku Rance. It isn't short but is is very much a "game"

>>10317737

everyone enjoyed KS

it's a good VN

it's cool to hate it though because it's popular

>>10317733
http://www.vndb.org
You'll be hard pressed to find someone to help your further than this.

>>10317737
I enjoyed KS too, it was a refreshing change of pace, but it was a slow pace.

>>10317739
I think a lot of hate comes from /jp/'s elitism and our hatred for the fanbase and for newcomers in general, rather than KS' faults, which it certainly does have. I hate those newcommer faggots as fuck as the next guy but I still had fun reading KS.
>I enjoyed KS too, it was a refreshing change of pace, but it was a slow pace.
The only routes I felt were slow paced were Rin's and Shizune's and there's nothing inherently wrong with slow pace.

>>10317726
Because I didn't know anything about visual novels two hours ago! Now I know, and I thank you for that.

Visual novels are more like books than games, expect them to be long-winded.

>>10317737
I've never actually played KS.
I've always meant to, but I've never gotten around to it for some reason.

999, Phoenix Wright, BlazBlue, etc.
There are a lot of ``VNs" that feel like ``games".
Look them up yourself.

>>10317768

Play it. It's worth playing.

>>10317768
It's not long and it's worth trying out to see if you like it.
Also, OP, I'll throw in a recommendation for Little Busters! It's still pretty long winded, but it has minigames to break up the text and I'm a massive keyfag so it's my duty to recommend Keyshit.

>>10317777

The art for everything Key is fucking awful. Other than Planetarian.

There's Planetarian spoilers in the image. It pisses me off that I have to say that 'cause of how many people abuse spoilers.

>>10317749
To be honest
I'd go to the /vn/ general on /vg/ if I was you

I for one really liked KS, I just kinda feel like it could have been more. if only the dev team didn't start hating each other

Symphonic rain has a fantastic story with great characters and a little mini game that is pretty fun if you enjoy soft music.

What the hell guys, why so many crossboarders today?

>>10317703
Yeah, I use the verb "read" instead of "play" for VNs.

>>10317786
I never finished Planeterian. Was the plot "cute girl dies at the end and you should feel sad"?

>>10317792

Please stop applying the term 'crossboarders' to everyone you disagree with. Unless you're trying to ruin the term, which is okay with me.

>>10317784
>if only the dev team didn't start hating each other
Tell us more.

>>10317793

Is the plot to your life "atoms change place and things occur"?

>>10317799
OP is a crossboarder though

>>10317800
I don't know what you want to know about it

>>10317786
>The art for everything Key is fucking awful.
Anything Itaru Hinoue touches is awful. Anything Na-Ga touches looks pretty good. Little Busters had some pretty solid art.
>Anything Itaru Hinoue touches is awful
I'll take that back. Rewrite was fucking beautiful. bitch finally learned how to draw. Eyes still look a little off though.

I just finished the last route yesterday.. took me a whole year to play through the full game but I really enjoyed it

This thread is why moot should implement a kana/kanji captcha.

>>10317793
A bit of that, but also more along "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?"

To be honest I can't stand playing Key works after all these years and even so I like Planetarian for its simplicity.

>>10317809
I like hearing about drama. Tell me as much as you can about what happened between them all.

>>10317813
Unfortunately it's never going to happen

>>10317793
It was more like "war is bad and now you get killed by some giant robots".
I don't care about how the story continued, there's no way that dude could've survived.

>>10317813

People like you are why moot should implement a 'weaboos shut the fuck up' clause.

You need to stop trying to find ways to validate your choice to learn Japanese.

>>10317832

The dude survived. He had a broken leg. People can survive those. It's specified in the followup.

>>10317813
I'd love that, it'd help me learn kanji while I shitpost...yay!

>>10317666
Play Sengoku Rance.

It's not really a VN, rether a real game and the goal is not to get in someones pants, it's to get into everyones pants.

>>10317808
I am, and I am monitoring this thread. It's not every day you step out of your comfort zone.

>>10317813
Oh, do shut up. People were unfriendly at first, but then they started being helpful.

Is.. is this what they call tsundere?

>>10317799
But OP said he is one. He's polite so I don't mind, it just caught my eye.

>>10317813
At least he should do it for one day. It'd be fun to see the massive internet fight.

>>10317819
>>10317832
That sounds sorta cool. I think I may have pegged it down to early as it being another story where MC falls for girl and sad stuff happens to her. Does it deal somewhat heavily with the war/android consciousness stuff or are those mostly pushed to the side?

>>10317845

The dude talking about kanji captcha was talking about doing it so people like *you* would be kept out. Not us.

>>10317840
Yeah only that those giant crab-robots were closing in on him. I can't imagine him getting away in time.

>>10317820
Unfortunately I'm not too much into drama.

Most I know was that it was basically what happens to most long-term online projects like KS with peoples personality and idea grating on each other heavily.
on a side note I remember something about shizune's writer re-writing her beta route (which was well written) into the one choice route it is because he was pissed at something

>>10317832
He didn't survive. The LNs don't exist. Shut up!
>>10317840
It wasn't the broken leg, more the fact that he had barely managed to kill one of the things he was fighting and he only managed to kill it because of Yumemi's sacrifice and about a dozen more were honing in on his position and he abandons his gun in the dirt, as if embracing and welcoming his death.

>>10317858

Why don't you go play it and find out?

Haven't had the chance to post this in a while.

>>10317866
>I remember something about shizune's writer re-writing her beta route (which was well written) into the one choice route it is because he was pissed at something
I think I might just look into this.

>>10317858
Read it, cry tears, come back here and lurk, become a VN expert, leave the shithole you call /r9k/, learn japanese, and (do not) enjoy your stay.

>>10317872
This is pretty nostalgic, but it was one of the times I laughed hard enough at a post.

>>10317755
I thought shizune was unbearable too but I heard it's decent as a light slice of life kind of route instead of the more heavy hitting romance of the other routes and I guess that makes sense.

>>10317870
that shit is like, a few hours long man. That's time that could be spent discussing the game and not playing it. Anyways, will get to it later.

>>10317872

Why do people produce awful stuff (stories, art, whatever) and excuse themselves by including dumb fart-humor?

What do you think of the planetarium, /jp/?
That beautiful twinkling of eternity that will never fade, no matter when...
All the stars in all the sky are waiting for you.

>>10317858
Yeah, I think it had a pretty powerful anti-war message, though that might be just me.

>>10317888

>>10317860
I know what he meant, mate. My comment about impolite people was not in response to his musings about captcha.

>>10317888
I don't like the planeterium.

OP is an asshole.

I actually recommend him something and he ignores my post.

>>10317858
To be honest, you are describing the formula that defines Key and made them famous. Make characters you can empathize with with memorable things like >>10317888 .
Then slam tragedy upon them. It's just that in Planetarian the first, long-winded step is relatively short and tolerable in my opinion.

>>10317906
On the contary, I'm incrementally backing up this thread.

So, in Planetarium, the girl doesn't die immediately from the cannon shot. Her lower body is blasted off, which probably removed or damaged her main battery, but she's fine right up until the part where her backup battery runs out. The 'cause of death' was a lack of power, not the physical damage inflicted by the shell.

So, my question: what stop him from carrying her torso along with him (he did survive according to the LNs,) plugging her into something, and having her be alive again?

It's not far-fetched that he would find an old generator somewhere.

>>10317920
>he did survive in the LNs
She is revived at the end of the LNs, you idiot. But those don't exist so they both die.
I think the saddest thing is some other junker will come along, find her corpse and probably scavenge her for parts or even worse, revive her and make her live without Junker

>>10317869

Why did he pop her memory card out to 'carry it with him' if he was going to give up and die?

>>10317920
I don't think the main character really cared about the robot herself, just what she represented - an untouched old world.

>>10317920
The LN is fucking pointless, it's probably just some fancy delusion that he had during his last moments.
His leg was broken and he was about to get killed by some giant robots. Taking the "memory-stick" or whatever was just an symbolic act. He probably would've carried the torso with him if he wasn't going to die in a few moments.

>>10317941

You're the main character. It's a self-insert VN.

He doesn't even have a name. No traits. So you can project them.

If you cared about the robot, he did too.

>>10317939
So she could be with him in his final moments and just in case he did manage to make it out alive by some stroke of luck.

>>10317954

You're too much of a baby to admit that you're wrong.

>>10317962
At least I don't accept blatant cashgrabs that ruin the original work as canon.

>>10317939
He didn't "give up" there was just no fucking way he could've survived the battle against those giant robots. Instead of continuing to fight he accepted his fate. War and fighting caused all the suffering that he and that android girl had to endure in the first place, that's why he refused to spend his last moments with pointless violence. He took that memory card to feel her warmth and keep her close to him so that both of them could stay together until the end. Fucking deep.

>>10317989

Why does he have to 'survive the battle' against something that's not even there? You know if there's a threat to your wellbeing you can do things aside from punch it, right?

Are you American?

>>10317989
>He took that memory card to feel her warmth

But metal is cold

>>10318004
>Why does he have to 'survive the battle' against something that's not even there?
Because they know he's there and he can't escape.
>You know if there's a threat to your wellbeing you can do things aside from punch it, right?
He couldn't hide because he was in an open area outside of the city and they are also tracking him. He couldn't run because they outpace him easily.

>>10318004
Did you even read the fucking VN? There were more of those robots closing in on him while he was talking to that android girl, just re-read it if you don't believe me, I'm not going to look it up for you.
Well what could he have done with his broken leg?
Should he have tried to talk with those things or what?

I'm German you fucking nerd!

>>10318007
It was stated in the VN that it was still warm.

>>10318025

Your mom couldn't resist my cock because it's eight miles long.

>>10318026

You're slow. Thanks for letting me know that your country is populated with retards.

>>10318032
Well it took me some time to take that screenshot, dweeb.
Did you run out of arguments or what?
You got fucking TOLD, fagmeister!

>>10318026
That scene loses all power if he survives. I mean, he's in a post-apocalyptic violent world and he abandons his gun saying he won't need it where he's going. How does that imply anything but the acceptance of death?

>>10318043

If you keep this up I am going to get fucking mad. Do not make me domin8 you.

>>10318045

He's going somewhere without war robots, cumstain. AKA: outside the city. As he does in the LNs.

>>10318045
Thanks, that's exactly my point.

>>10318026
if it's not too much work, would you mind typing this >>10317888
in german?
I bet it sounds really romantic

>>10317716
>>10317721
Made me laugh too.

>>10318066

schloopen schleiner catsen heigan
pooper waggen caca topfer

>>10318061
>He's going somewhere without war robots, cumstain
In the post-apocalyptic world, there is danger everywhere. Even in the LNs he is attacked wherever he goes.

>>10318080

"In the post-apocalyptic world, there is danger everywhere."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

>>10318088
Even ignoring the fact he's in immediate danger at the end of the VN, there would still come a time when he'd need the gun even if he survived the immediate threat as it is a hostile and dangerous world. Also, his life as a junker requires that weapon.

>>10318108

Your mom's life as my personal whore requires my dong.

>>10318066
I wouldn't bet on that.
"Was denkst du über das Planetarium, /jp/?
Dieses wunderschöne Glitzern von Ewigkeit das niemals erlöscht wird, ganz egal wann...
All die Sterne in allen Himmeln warten auf dich."
I had to paraphrase a bit in the last sentence, literally it says "All the stars in all the skies are waiting for you".
I hope I didn't disappoint.

Katawa Shoujo FAQ

I just finished Katawa Shoujo and I would like to post, but I'm nervous. What do I do?
Just post! We're a highly welcoming community, we don't bite.

The people in KSG are using terms I don't understand! What do they mean?
There are a few terms used in here that may be confusing to the newcomers. Here's a brief list of KSG terminology, I'll add more as I see fit.
-Din dins: sex
-Swaggervest: Hisao's sweatervest
-Salty Tears, Love Despite, Spaghetti Studios, Mentaru Shoujo/Missing Stars: These are all VNs in production by KSG-goers.
-Shizoon: a nickname for Shizune, playing off a mispronunciation of her name.
-Suzu/Snoozu: A background character seen here, http://i48.tinypic.com/107qm3s.jpg, in the classroom CG. She's often confused with Shizune and has gathered a good amount of fans due to a few fanfictions and pseudoroutes in production. Check the writebin in the OP for her stories.
-Saki and Rika: two characters from an April Fool's joke by the developers. They also both have good fanfictions and pseudoroutes which are, as always, in the writebin.
-Burger o'clock: A tripfriend Aster posts a picture of Misha eating a hamburger every night at the same time. This is burger o'clock
Katawa dick: an unusual phenomenon where one loses the will or ability to masturbate after playing Katawa Shoujo.

A kana/kanji captcha would be pretty neat.

moot should implement it for a week and see how /jp/ changes

>>10318078

That's too silly.

The word pooper doesn't even exist in German. But it should

>>10318130
Ugh, this is disgusting.

>>10318128
>Dieses wunderschöne Glitzern von Ewigkeit das niemals erlöscht wird
>erlöscht

>>10318128

Bitte werde nie Übersetzer.

>>10318130
>Salty Tears, Love Despite, Spaghetti Studios, Mentaru Shoujo/Missing Stars: These are all VNs in production by KSG-goers.
And all of them failed.
>Mentaru Shoujo
My fucking sides.

I've been writing something as a hobby, and there's so much wrong with it as a piece of writing that it's really discouraging sometimes.

What keeps me going is the Katawa Shoujo writebin. I can go there and read something that someone really legitimately thought was good enough to share with other humans and marvel at how awful it is. It revitalizes me.

>>10318143
Leck meine Eier, Junge es ist 6 Uhr morgens!

Was denkst du über das Planetarium, /jp/?
Dieses wunderschöne Glitzern von Ewigkeit das niemals erlöschen wird, ganz egal wann...
All die Sterne in allen Himmeln warten auf dich."

Happy now? Well I don't give a fuck if you're happy or not since I'm going to sleep now.

>>10318167
You should share some of your writing with me.

>>10318163
Friss meinen Schwanz.

>>10318177
*Fritz, meinen Schwanz!

>>10318172

No thanks.

>>10318166
I don't think salty tears is dead yet.

And you don't know the half of it when it comes to mentaru shoujo.

http://somnovastudios.blogspot.com/2012/03/character-preview-4-annaliese-koell.html

>>10318128
That's disappointing, doesn't sound cute at all

>>10318187
Please.

>>10318187
You just did, turbonerd.

>>10318195

>She is a huge otaku, with her favourite anime being(...)

I knew this line wouldn't end well.

>>10318195
>I don't think salty tears is dead yet.
Ah, but is there any actual development going on?
>that link
Jesus Christ. Is being an otaku her mental health issue? Or is it being a Mary Sue?

>>10318195

"She likes French toast more than pancakes, and is ambidextrous."

O_O

Very zany and random. :P

>>10318167
I'm not even sure if I want to see it, but could you post a link to that writebin?

>>10318196
German isn't a cute language. You're a fool for thinking it was.

>>10318225

http://pastebin.com/8NpPmBHp

Get ready for some giggles. And some dismayed head-shakes.

>>10318215
>Ah, but is there any actual development going on?
That's the golden question. They say they're still working on it but it's far past the time they said they'd have it complete.

>>10318236
Can you flick us a link to their page?

>>10318232
>http://pastebin.com/8NpPmBHp

Great, now I have to cry myself to sleep.

>>10318246

https://blog.salty-salty-studios.com/

Here it is. The screenshots seem like typical /vg/ humor but it could be moderately entertaining. My standards aren't ridiculously high.

>>10318251

My favorite is this one.

http://pastebin.com/vHtVjUK4

Very deep.

>>10318231
Well in some anime and VNs I've seen magical incantations are written in German, so there's something the Japanese see in it.
Maybe italian sounds better.

Tutte le stelle ti stanno aspettando?
ti aspettano tutte le stelle nel cielo?

ugh

>>10318263

Why are they making constant 'making-of' posts when they haven't released one build?

I don't know if this thread is popular or not, but I thought I'd add that I'm the guy who made this video (which was semi-popular)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grP6Z0tMmYM

For the record I wasn't serious at all with this. I was riding the popularity wave at the time to try and a lot of people fell for it.

/jp/ is pulling the strings even when you don't know!

>>10318273
They released an april fool's build!

But yeah I don't know.

>>10318281
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grP6Z0tMmYM

H2OHBOM 1 week ago
I feel you, my brother. I admire your determination to make this video and show your emotions and be true with yourself as well. Feels are feels and you jut felt a good feel.

Why do the end result Katawas look so shitty?

>>10318263
>https://blog.salty-salty-studios.com/
It doesn't look that bad actually. At the very least I'm partial to the art style, even if it is simplistic as fuck.

>>10318273
Because people in the oelvn community are quick to call your project dead if you aren't updating every week with inane blogshitposts about nothing.

>>10318334
I think hanako and emi look better but maybe that's just me.

At least in terms of character design. Raita is a more skilled artist in general than anyone at 4leaf.

>>10318348

I don't like Emi's hair or Shizune's fucked-up torso

>>10318211
Those shows weren't even bad.

>>10318369
Maybe not but this entire character is shameless pandering. It's like a gender swap self insert of the writer.

>>10318334
Did Raita ever comment on KS?

>>10318369
Just by watching the most entry-level shows won't make you an otaku, man. You must be obsessed with a specific hobby to be one. Someone that watched that much is just an anime enthusiast or something like that.

>>10318232
Why does this exiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist

>>10318334

Hanako's personality as described by Raita is way more fun. Instead of this fucking stupid wallflower shit that made it into KS.

I wish someone would make a version of KS that didn't suck assholes. It was a fantastic idea.

>>10318383
I don't think so. I know this rumor but it sounds pretty fake and retarded.

Apparently someone went to a doujin convention where authors were signing autographs. A guy apparently asked him to sign that page and he stood up and walked out.

>>10318397
Both are pretty generic. I thought the twist in the final route was pretty poorly handled though.

>>10318383
He did, actually. I don't have the link on hand but he was actually positive about their accomplishment

>>10318399
Ah, here it is. Scroll on down.

http://www.geocities.jp/raita_z/

>>10318369
Evangelion is on there and Evangelion is shit.
>>10318383
Didn't he try to distance himself from the project but praise the people who did work on it? I can't remember. I've heard a lot of things.

>>10318406
I wonder if he ever read it.

>>10318232
I feel so bad reading this, if I actually tried to write it'd probably be just as bad, minus all the wish fulfillment. Maybe I got brain damage from watching too much anime.

>>10318408
Yeah.
Someone went to look for him at comiket to sign his KS shit. He declined and told him it was his works.

>>10318422
>2011+2
>watching anime

>>10318384
>Just by watching the most entry-level shows
It just says those are her favorite. I've seen a lot of shit, but I wouldn't say things like Hoshi no Umi no Amuri or Ryofuku chan or Maicchingu Machiko Sensei or Rizelmine were my favorite anime.

>>10318232
I'd be worse and I can't really feel strongly one way or another

>>10318415
>not his works
fixed.

>>10318426
Some of us don't have anything better to do

>>10318445
You should continue doing things you enjoy, anon.

>>10318445
Read some VNs.

>>10318454
Can't
Don't know moonongo

>>10318461
Learn.

>>10318468
Then fuck off.
>>>/a/

>>10318466
I'd rather watch anime

>>10318466
Leave him the fuck alone.

>>10318472

Nah.

>>10318472
You can prefer anime but still enjoy /jp/ subjects, silly.

>>10318454
I don't want to start an argument but... what are you trying to suggest?

Do you consider anime in general a lowly form of entertainment compared to VNs?

>>10318476
>>10318477
This is the cancer killing /jp/

>>10318506

>mfw someone watches naruto with subs or dubs near me

EPIC FAIL.

>>10318506
Yeah we definitely need less people who enjoy Japanese media around here. Where you at stinkpost bros?

>>10318521
少

My first VNs were YMK and Saya.

>>10318494
You don't?

>>10318521

>>10318584
They're on the same level.

Can someone post that VN that some made last year? I think it was called "Please Respond" or something.

That shit was funny as fuck.

>>10318622
Nah dude. Anime is much more disposable and not nearly as satisfying.

>>10318685
Rita please respond

go look on the archives

Punching people into doors isn't that funny.

>>10317769
>``VNs" that feel like ``games".
> tickmark faggotry

fuck you and the rainbow dash you rode in on

>>10318399
>he was actually positive about their accomplishment

A doujin artist had HIS cock sucked for a change. Of course he's going to be positive

>>10318361
>Shizune's fucked-up torso

It's called a wasp waist, you retard.

>>10318260
>http://pastebin.com/vHtVjUK4

Did Aura write this

Hey OP.

You seem like a decent guy who knows shit when he sees it, so here's my suggestions.

999 - This is a DS adventure game, essentially a visual novel. It is fantastic. It has a sequel but I haven't played it. The writer has an excellent track record and makes really satisfying endings. Don't get spoiled.

Dangan Ronpa - This one actually isn't done yet, however the translation is completely finished so it's almost guaranteed to complete. It's a murder mystery game and requires good reflexes. Excellent writing quality, art is gorgeous. Round table discussions which make up the bulk of gameplay are fully voiced.

Saya no Uta, Narcissu, Planetarian - These are more "normal" VNs, in that they have limited or no choices, and no gameplay. They're also short, well written, and can hold your attention. If you don't like these, I doubt you'll find much else to interest you. Also, pretty much everyone has played them, so you'll share some reference with /jpl.

>>10318783
>Danganronpa
This has a translation? Damn, I've been awfully out of the loop. When I played through it a couple of months ago there wasn't any activity on it.

I also wonder how well the translator is translating the curious verbal inflexions characteristic of most characters. I don't have high expectations though.

Snatcher, by Hideo Kojima.
It has a pretty awesome story that isn't (fully) about trying to fuck girls. And it has some shooting segments to break up the reading, though they're pretty simple.

>>10318825

It's been translated over the course of a year by a goon in the let's play forum, I assume that's the script they're using.

>>10318899
No, the translation that's getting an actual patch started well before Let's Play most people are familiar with. Which is good, since LP translation is Youtube-level.
Here's their project site http://danganronpa.wordpress.com/

>>10318993
Color me surprised, it looks good. That's reassuring.