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Nah.

It's pointless to compare powerlevels. That's why danmaku exists in the first place.

So many characters can instakill other characters it's ridiculous; it depends on who got the drop on whom. Flandre can kill anyone by squeezing her fist. Sakuya could stop time and stab anyone enough to kill them. Yukari could alter borders or something and make a person cease to exist. Yuyuko has the power to kill people instantly.

Powerlevel arguments are silly.

>>10279971

And that bullshit doesn't count. She relies on having a plethora of Gods who apparently have absolutely nothing better to do than her bidding; all she does is cheat. She makes Sakuya's knives turn to sand, and then makes the knives reappear around Sakuya in a pattern so dense that she couldn't move through them even if she stopped time.

"all" the others?

No, and that is canon, because they tried.

I mean, did you fucking miss the goddamn incident that led to establishing the spellcard rules and the windows touhou games?

I swear, secondaries these days.

>>10279979
Its about who can kill the other ones the fastest, then?

Sakuya isn't as broken as many people think, just because she can stop time doesn't mean she has the means to destroy some of the more powerful youkai.

Conventional damage doesn't mean shit to many of them.

Of course the Scarlets are. They have Flan-chan. The most powerful 2hu ever.

>>10280008
You can't talk seriously about Touhou in /jp/.

>>10280088
Let's talk about maids, /jp/.

>>10280101
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>>10280107
You asked for it

>>10280008
Yeah but how are your scores??

Have you read Tohonifun Yukari Ran compilation?
Remi beats the shit out of Yuka, Ran, Yukari, the prismrivers and I forgot who else. And she does that in a row.
While Flan spends her time killing Mokou and Kaguya a few dozen times before broking.

>>10280045
I bet supernatural weapons still work.

>Stop time.
>Slap some of them with a rosary.
>Time may now continue to flow.

>>10280219
Which chapter is it?
Sadpanda only has chapters 1 and 6.

>>10280219
I like Tohonifun's works. Their noncanon though.

>>10280265
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Tohonifun#Yukari_vs_Ran_.282008-12-29.29

>>10280289
Merci bien.

Everyone can fuck up all the others.

>>10279989
So she's cheating as much as the vampire who uses magic, the maid who uses magic, the witch who uses magic, and the miko who does the exact same thing.

>>10280032
Did someone say fast?

>>10280219
"forgot who else"=Yuyuko

But did she beat Ran? I thought it was kind of a stalemate there

Real ultimate badass=Meiling!

>>10279953
Why are they in a Cathedral?

Why don't Sakuya just use her powers to stop time and kill you with her knifes?

>>10280737
The fastest.

>>10280776
Spellcard rules you retardunlimited.

>>10280819
But who does enforce these rules? What will happen if Sakuya stops the time and kills the person who enforces them?

>>10280836
Gensokyo explodes.

>>10280836
Oh wait, nobody can be dumber/secondary than this, so you must be trolling, but if you insist.
Reimu wrote the spellcard rules, if Reimu under any circumstances were to be killed, the Great Hakurei Barrier would collapse destroying Gensokyo by merging it with the outside world or some shit.

>>10280777
Faster than the speed of time!

>>10279971
Oh god, i almost forgot how shitty Aki Eda's art was. Remilia looks completely flat in the bottom panel, all those tiny feet, no shadow anywhere, white void everywhere...

>>10280896
Like you could do any better

>>10280906
My lack of artistic skill doesn't make Aki Eda's art any better.

>>10279989
That's silly, being a summoner is her power. That's like Sakuya is cheating by stopping time.

Nobody called Sanae cheating for summoning Kanako and Suwako in 12.3.

>>10280916
>fighting suwako as sanae
>summon suwako's to help you beat suwako

>>10280415
As far I know Remilia only used her physical strength to beat her, then the moon person notice Remilia´s weak point (the sun) and summon the convenient god. So what are you saying?

>>10280916
To be fair, Sanae doesn't just pull out god after god after god, who all conveniently have just the right power to beat whoever she is fighting.

It doesn't help that Sanae is rather low tier in the fighting game...

>>10280933

This actually makes perfect sense.

Shinto gods can split their bodies. Actually, some other Touhous do it too.

Gods answer to prayers by sending their avatars.

>>10280939
Physical strength that she got at no cost because she's a vampire.

Sooo... Cheating.

>>10279953
>So I take it we can all agree Scarlet Devil crew would fuck up all the others, right?

You mean, excluding Marisa and Reimu (either of whom single-handedly wrecked all of them), right?

>>10280965
fuck off with your Mario-like game mindset. of course the PC is going to win. excluding that, does it make them more powerful than a super powerful boss? no.

>>10280974
Mario > Koopa. Deal with it.

>>10280974
But they beat them
so they are

>>10280886

Nah, Aya just counter's Sakuya's World with Star Platinum

>>10280857
>the Great Hakurei Barrier would collapse destroying Gensokyo by merging it with the outside world or some shit.
Haha. Do you really believe that? It hurts there are people like you who call themselves ''primaries''.
Barrier was created long before Reimu was born. She is not the first shrine maiden, she won't be the last one.
Imagine your typical western comic with superhero protecting his city. If some villain kills him that certainly will cause the fall of that city. But if superhero is accidentally killed by some random hobo the city won't be instantly wiped. If no villain attacks it before superhero's substitution can be found everything will be ok.
Besides you can easily kill anyone in Gensokyo if you are sure no one will find out about it. Reimu can't watch over every corner in Gensokyo.

>>10280986
No fucking duh you asslord, there was a thread discussing about how humans that wander through the border are allowed to be eaten and killed, and how Reimu turns a blind eye to how some youkai attack people. Do you really assume that I didn't know that barrier wasn't made by Reimu, jesus fuck your assumptions make you look worse than I do.

>>10280896
I'm sure that's why ZUN likes it. It's kind of crappy in a cute way, like his own art.

>>10280949
Do Nihonjin really need other people to clean their ears for them?

>>10281014
I think I will need to quote you again.
>if Reimu under any circumstances were to be killed, the Great Hakurei Barrier would collapse destroying Gensokyo by merging it with the outside world or some shit.
The death of Reimu won't cause the destruction of the barrier.

>>10280986
>http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Reimu_Hakurei
>Gensokyo relies on the Hakurei Shrine and its shrine maidens to continue to exist as it does today.

>>10281046
see>>10281047

>>10281022
I always wondered why he chose Aki Eda for the art. I'm pretty sure that there are hundred of artists who would have liked to draw some official Touhou art. At least all the newer manga look way better.

>>10281026
Well, I hear Asians have some really sticky earwax.

>>10281047
Reimu needs to retire eventually and produce an heir, to ensure that the Hakurei lineage survives, and with it the border.

Or maybe she'll became a living god, then she'd probably be immortal and wouldn't need an heir.

If she goes with the first option, she'll need a husband. Who wants to take Reimu as a waifu?

>>10281047
>>10281053
That's why I used that analogy with superhero. I'm shocked that even such a simple explanation can't be handled by your brain, It's like you don't use it at all.
'The City' relies on superhero to continue to exist, too. Without superhero some villain can destroy the city. But sudden death of superhero won't automatically trigger some kind of weird explosion that wipes the city.
The same way without Reimu resolving all those incidents some youkai could in the end destroy barrier. Incident in SA is the prime example of it.

>>10281099
So you're going to take canon info and disregard it.
Okay.

>>10281099
No, you secondary piece of shit.

Reimu isn't some kind of "superhero" who resolves incidents that no one else can - the incidents are set up from the start not to threaten Gensokyo.

If a youkai would dare to actually stir shit up, Reimu might not be able to stop them, but they don't because all the other youkai are keeping the status quo.

Real incidents are resolved by Youkai, like the original vampire one.

Reimu's is just a marionette, a symbol, when it comes to the pretend "incidents" - her real role as a shrine maiden of Hakurei shrine is to maintain the boundary.

>>10280954
Weren´t they "playing"? Then she notice that Remilia would be a difficult enemy and beat her with her only weakness. So where´s your fair game? She only relies in her batch of gods (not her own power) to win battles?

>>10281121
Simple question that you won't be able to answer witрout unconfirmed speculations and fantasies:
If solving of incidents is nothing but an act, what exactly does Reimu do to 'maintain the boundary'?

>>10281161
She exists. Go ask ZUN you asstard.

>>10281161
Reimu alone doesn't maintain the boundary, Yukari also does, and appearantly the Dragon God I think or something about it.

>>10281148
Summoning IS her power, she's a summoner! Do you refuse to use Summoners in RPGs but think Black Mages are perfectly fine?

Not to mention that anything one uses including artifacts has long been considered fair game. Sakuya gets her timestop powers from a pockewatch and Marisa can't use her signature Master Spark without a relic she possesses.

>>10281177
>Sakuya gets her timestop powers from a pockewatch

Source?

>>10281165
Why did Yukari do this? Why did she pulled some shit that will cause her barrier to be destroyed if some person dies? Why does she allow Reimu to live freely in her shrine if it would be much safer for Gensokyo to keep her in some kind of basement where no youkai can find and kill her?

>>10281192
1.Yukari didn't "do" anything
2. Many Youkai are aware of what will happen if Gensokyo were to collapse, Gensokyo is a place for Youkai/anything magical to refuge away because people choose to believe in common sense.
3.Appearantly Reimu can make herself invincible for as long as she wants, and why put her in a basement? It's not she's Flan, she can BE trained to defend herself and she has natural good luck and many other things.

>>10281192
Yukari wasn't the one who did it. The Dragon was the one who created (or faciliated the creation of) the Hakurei Barrier.

>The youkai sages staked their existence on pledging eternal peace to the dragon

And she (I'm using a feminine pronoun because, let's be frank, the dragon is a Touhou, she can only be female) appears to be in a position of power here. It was probably her idea to put some safeguard into the system.

>>10279953
Eientei was here. SMD are scrubs.

>>10281177
DID she born with that power? She learned it! We could say tha she was born with the "talent", but that talent could be used for other things, but she use it to become a summoner! when she was playing with Remilia, what was she using? HER SWORD! Another talent (acquired skill)!
When her sword was no longer useful she did not hesitate to use the gods (not her own power)!

>>10281258
PMiSS has like 4 sentences about the dragon and the barrier. The ambiguity of that text doesn't even allow to 100% confirm that the dragon was involved in creation of barrier in any way. And 'safeguard in the system' is nothing but a pure speculation. Something that 'primaries' like >>10280857 always hate.
There is zero proof that barrier will be destroyed if Reimu dies. In fact it would be stupid. That's the opposite of safeguard.
Geez, I really hate these discussions. Posting some random walfas from google images. And if any aggressive primary dares to stay in this thread I will post bkub chen. You are warned.

>>10281364
see>>10281107
Also
>DISAGREE AND I SHITPOST IM WARNING YOU ALL IM GONNA CRY ;_;
I'm quoting you. I'm not gonna reply anymore since you're just gonna cry your eyes out while shitposting your tears wouldn't taste tangy enough to quench my thirst.

>>10281404
But it's you who are shitposting now.
There is a big difference between
>Gensokyo relies on the Hakurei Shrine and its shrine maidens to continue to exist as it does today.
and
>if Reimu under any circumstances were to be killed, the Great Hakurei Barrier would collapse destroying Gensokyo by merging it with the outside world or some shit.
You too probably rely on your parents to continue to exist as you do today (i.e. be NEET and shitpost on /jp/). But your house won't explode if something happens to your parents.
Don't forget you promised not to reply anymore.

>>10281279
Eientei's pretty neat. Though it's a shame that they probably won't be seen for another few games unless they want to write Udonge in. I'd like to see them more.

>>10281478
Y-you too!

>>10281687
ZUN is saving the "Sakuya is a Lunarian" to a game in the future. Expect Eientei

>>10281404
Dont call flandre queer you fucking niggar, I fought in Nam. I would go gangam style on your little white ass

>>10281727
Oh god.

That would be the worst plot device.

Please let that not be so.

>>10281364
>appears to be
>probably

Yeah, well, no shit it's speculation. Duh.

>The ambiguity of that text doesn't even allow to 100% confirm that the dragon was involved in creation of barrier in any way.

He just appeared for no reason and caused some huge natural disasters and got youkai sages' pants in the knot. It had nothing to do with the creation of the barrier, the correlation is completely circumstantial. Sure.

Nothing is 100% certain, everything can be reasoned around if someone really wants to. That's not a reason to ignore something that obvious.

It's also stated outright that something bad will happen if Reimu dies and youkai would rather avoid it. That is 100% proof, unless you're willing to argue that Akyuu is making shit up again (but in this case, prepare to have some real counterargumentation, as the burden of proof switches to you).

Eientei is probably slightly stronger with it's two lunarians.

And Ran is as strong as Yukari when she's blindly following her orders, so Yakumos technically have two Yukaris.

Touhou factions are pretty balanced.

Reimu deals with "Incidents" small stuff. The exception was th11, which no body knew what was going on.
Yukari deals with "Problem"s, or sends Ran to do it

>>10281364
me on the left

>>10279989

If you wanna whine about the duels in SSiB at least whine about the right thing.

Spellcard Duels are supposed to have a set of declared cards, and the duel is over when you run out of them.

Yorohime and her 20,000 some-odd gods to call on was basically like playing the games with infinite bombs and just bombspamming through every boss.

The reason for the spellcard rules can be seen in the pc-98 games. In one of them, Reimu and the final boss are battling it out, and then the screen tilts up, and the whole place is on fire. My guess is that Reimu took the hint, and decided to not destroy gensoyko if things got a little messy.

>>10284354
Actually the rules were said to be a direct result of a conflict with certain vampires that afterwards the strong youkai (implied to be yukari and yuuka) decided it would be a good idea to limit the battles.