/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>10277622
You don't have to tell me.

I was born defeated.

you wouldnt download japan

you keep telling me that lana lang but i don't believe you

It takes one year to know enough Japanese that you can comfortably play games and read things.

If you have studied for longer than this and you still can't do these things then there's no hope for you.

>>10277622
You can't discourage me

Just give up.

>>10277648
So it's safe to give up, in other words.

でも僕もう日本語のマスターなんだよ
カタコトなんか知らねぇよｗｗｗｗ

I tried then gave up. I'm at about the 4th grade level right now.

>>10277663

You are also a japanese master?

Are you implying that you're taling to someone who claimed to be a japanese master?

The only difference between a dolphin and a fish is that the dolphin dared to BREATH.

If you want to learn Japanese then you have to be brave and dare to LEARN.

>>10277671

he said "but he's already", i guess some1 really isnt a japanese master......

hint: its u

>>10277648
If you have been spending more time then a year you haven't been studying diligently enough for that year

>>10277671
誤訳乙

I've been studying Japanese for about a year and I can read manga and such pretty comfortably, but I have no interest in manga/anime/VNs/etc. Should have just learned a Romance language that I might use.

>>10277691
What language other than English is worth knowing these days

>>10277671
お前は「う」を読まなかったみたいね
>>10277680
お前も、「僕」を無視した！

もしかしてここは目の不自由のスレ？ｗｗｗｗｗ

>>10277648
Have you considered teaching or coaching? Most language institutes I've visited have 5-7 year programs. That includes actual Japanese teachers and even prolonged periods of residence in the country. If you achieved fluency in less than a year, you should charge people for your own "Learn Japanese in 12 months!" program. You'll become rich in no time.

>>10277691
>I have no interest in manga/anime/VNs
>posts on a board called Otaku Culture

>>10277694

it wasn't a direct quote m8, i didn't ignore it.

>>10277698
Depends on what country borders yours.

>>10277707
that's neo/jp/ for you

>>10277710
France I guess but I'm not learning any more of that

>>10277707
>NEET Threads
>Nothing about manga/anime/VNs

Are there any online freelancing jobs where I can easily make a small amount of money from translating bits of Japanese text or audio to English?

I'm already doing that mechanical turk shit to get my $20 a day, but that takes about 4 hours of working to get and all I'm doing is simple google searches and surveys. I'd imagine translations pay more than that, but I don't want to work too much either. $20 a day is more than enough for me.

pirate bay Rosetta stone, it trully works if you put your mind to it

>>10277707

Well I am a NEET (self-studying doesn't count folks), but I mainly come here because there are sometimes fairly interesting Japanese language threads. Plus the community is pretty nice/amusing.

>>10277727
I hope you at least stay in your ghetto.

>>10277732

Not sure what that means but okay.

>>10277740
He called you a jew.

In that case OP, try and fucking stop me.

I tried so hard and learned it all, but in the end it doesn't even matter.
Every kanji, I learned them all, but in the end I still can't read shit and it doesn't even matter.

I took a break and I forgot it all, but in the end it still doesn't really matter since I still couldn't read anything.

Practice is the key, you need to learn like a child. You did not all get adult magazines when you were kids right? Start small and work you way up. Good practice is the Jap version of the early pokemon games, as they were intended for the children's market. It does not matter where you start, but you have to read in order to read.

I've been studying for three years. I took 2 years in high school, and thus did not have a third year of formal education, and am currently studying from Genki at home for 30 or so minutes every night. I even went to Japan for 14 school-sponsored days for a bit more studying.

I'm not really into as much anime as I used to be (I check /jp/ for Japanese threads), but I can't understand much in anime. I can carry simple/intermediate conversation and know a bunch of kanji, but that's it. I'm learning more from my uni Chinese, which is probably going to be more useful in the long run.

I hope at some point Japanese "clicks", but supposedly being the hardest language for English speakers to learn, I'm not sure. Yet I try.

>>10277805
>early pokemon games
fuck that
playing that shit is like learning nonsense words a three year old made up

the fuck is a ゼニガメ

>>10277805

playing pokemon games gives me a fucking headache. all hiragana is worse than romaji

My cousin is a methamphetamine otaku and he became fluent in Japanese in less than a year. He doesn't even like Japanese products, he just wanted to understand what they were saying in his porn.

If some white trash guy tweaking out in his trailer every day can learn Japanese then anyone can. Half his brain is probably fried from all that meth and he still did it.

>>10277622

The will to prove that smug little cunt wrong is the only thing keeping me going.

>>10277815

I've been studying for one year by myself and I know a lot more than you. Sounds like you're just inefficient at learning.

>>10277822
People addicted to meth make some of the best med students. It's not really a drawback.

KANPAI BITCHES

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZEA54VJEdE

>>10277822
How well can he understand and read Japanese?

Also, I laughed my ass off at methamphetamine otaku.

>>10277840

People who actually watch these videos to learn Japanese make me cringe beyond belief.

>>10277844

He taught me all the hiragana in a very short period of time when I knew barely anything, and gave me the motivation to do it.

It's not exactly useless. In fact, if someone asked me how to learn hiragana and katakana real fast, I would tell them to do it they way he tells you, with or without watching the video.

>>10277856

What do you consider to be "a very short period of time"?

>>10277838

Well enough that he can understand what they're saying in his porn and he's able to read and understand those Yakuza PS3 games that he imports. I've never seen him play any other Japanese products, but he has no trouble understanding those.

Back when he was learning I'd see him tweaking out over by his computer and studying for 13 hours each day, staring at the screen like a crazy paranoid hawk while his body was twitching around like one of those nervous rabbits.

The meth might have given him the focus, but he's dumb as a rock in every other way so there's nothing particularly remarkable about him. Anybody can learn Japanese if they put their mind to it.

>>10277825
I would have to agree. I picked it up since I had to pick up a foreign language, and the first year was just to pass it.

Also, our teacher was an old Japanese lady (Sweetest person ever) who had no control over her classroom and occasionally rambled in Japanese to us accidentally. If the class clowns didn't have control of that class and I was a bit more pressed to learn early on, I would have done much better.

Also, can anyone share if there is any hope for self-taught person? Since learning it in a classroom is not an option, I want to know if self-learning from a textbook will actually get you anywhere.

Joke's on you OP, I already gave up long ago.

>>10277866

Well I just said I know a lot more than you & am learning by myself, i.e. self-studying.....

I don't really use textbooks though. I just read Japanese shit and look up grammar/vocab I don't know.

>>10277859

For actually making it stick? A few days to less than a day depending on how over-board you went.

Yeah, you could do a little memory game and learn all of them in an hour, have fun forgetting it all in a bit and not remembering anything unless you keep reading them constantly for a while, which I would consider apart of your time spent "learning" them.

Nama-sensei's a big joker, but his methods of teaching hiragana and katakana are valuable, and the way he teaches vocabulary is also easy to remember.

>>10277844
I've been on his course for a week and I'm already an expert in vowels and consenants ka - so

Mad?

>>10277822

In terms of learning and academics, meth is a preformance enhancing drug akin to anabolic steroids and sports.

That shit isn't exactly a handicap you know.

>>10277885
Exposure

What's the best way to learn vocab and grammar?

Kanji is easy enough but I'm doing vocab on anki and new words don't really seem to be sinking in. Flashcards don't seem to be the most effective way for learning things like grammar and new vocab.

Silly op,

I already live in Japan. One step ahead.

>>10277885

Books nigga.

Someone post the pastebin link. I'm looking for a book called something like "A bunch of most common used japanese words and phrases".

>>10277885

I usually learn vocab by going over them in Anki and writing them down as I go, and then I'll just occasionally looking at the paper with them all written down and 'test' myself. That tends to make it stick for a day or two then I just let Anki take over from that point. It's pretty inefficient though, I've tried doing like 100/day with that method but it takes forever.

>>10277864

>tweaking out over by his computer and studying for 13 hours each day

I think I understand why meth usage is so high in Japan.

俺は日本語ほぼ完璧に喋れるからこれ以上は学ぶ必要がないな

I've met two people that learned japanese naturally by watching and reading japanese media, and actually talking to japanese people. Since then, I'm learning it naturally. Although I plan to start learning kanji starting from January 1st.

>>10277864
>can understand what they're saying in his porn

So can most people without studying Japanese.

>>10277990
>Not setting the language to japanese
Enjoy learning out of context

>>10278021

Keep the meme arrows on >>>/a/

>>10278021

There's no language setting in Anki2 that I can see.

>>10277703
There's a difference between having total fluency and being able to read video games.

You can learn to read pretty much any language in a matter of months if you have the time to put in.

2 years of university classes says you're wrong OP.

>>10277840
This must be how you learn kana in college classes, taking forever for no reason.

I gave up on every method, downloaded the top Japanese vocabulary set on Anki, set it to random and started grinding. Gonna brute force this shit.

やっぱり無理か

自信満々だったのにこの様に真実を晒されるとは、無残なことだ。生きる意
味がなくなった今は、最後の挨拶をするしかない。

あっけない人生だった。さようなら

>>10278321
>this must be how you learn anything in college classes

Might sound crazy but I learned German for years and now learn Japanese, I find Japanese way easier because the grammar is so much more simple.

>>10278377
Japanese college courses are notorious for being slow.

>>10278343

What is the "top vocabularly set"? If you mean words by frequency then you should be using the Core2k/6k.

You'll have a lot easier time doing vocab if you learn kanji first though.

>>10278391
college courses in almost anything are slow, unless you're at some shit place like berkeley that tries to weed out undergrads instead of teach them.

>>10277813
google gave me a turtle. Does the game give that as the name for a turtle pokemon? also, is something bad/uncomforting about 100% hiragana?

>>10278397
>weed out students that don't learn as fast as others
jesus, places do this shit? worst system I can think of.

>>10277813
>ゼニガメとはクサガメまたはニホンイシガメの幼体のことで、ペットと
して飼われることが多い

>>10278405
If you're going to pay and sign up for an intensive program and can't get up, you can get fucked. There's no reason for everyone else to slow down for you.

>>10278388

German is incredibly easily if you're a native English speaker. You must be Turkish.

>>10278418
can't keep up*

>>10278418
If the college accepts people who aren't good enough, then the college should improve how they accept people, and reject the people that aren't ready. Maybe things like affirmative action play some part in this, but it's certainly not just that. It's inconsiderate to let people in who don't actually belong there. I've noticed similar shit in my PhD program where a couple people are let in when they really aren't prepared for grad school. If they drop out, I think it's the department's fault for not choosing better.

>>10278426
>>10278420
>>10278418
I'm just saying it's stupid. Now if you fall way behind, that's your fault. But people who get dropped for needing a day or two extra of class is stupid.

>>10278426
Let me know when you figure out a way to determine whether someone is suitable for an intensive program during the admissions process, when all the people you're considering have great grades and test scores. Are you going to ask them if they think they can do it? They obviously do since they are signing up at the school. People simply sing up for things they can't actually do because they don't have a realistic understanding of their abilities. Shit happens and the rest of the class shouldn't be punished for it.

>>10278405
Of course. In case you haven't noticed, education is also a selection mechanism. Good universities are good because they are good.

>>10278434
They knew their would be no extra classes when they signed up. It's their fault and they should have chosen a different program.

俺は勉強が嫌いだ

>>10278440
>Good universities are good because they are good.
Neah. All big universities are terrible because undergrads are just a way to make money. Some just happen to move faster than others.

>>10278426
It's not inconsiderate. They are paying for their education, it's not charity.

>>10278441
ah, but languages is kind of different, that's all about personal pacing. I'm scared to learn Japanese in classes because I might not get it. ;_;

>>10278446
I didn't talk about American pay2win universities, but universities in general. I'm sorry that your country has decided to implement such an anti-intellectual system.

>>10278455
Much better system than one where your gubment pays to keep the doors open while droves of slovenly retards learn something that does not benefit society whatsoever

>>10278455
Every system has it's own problems.

>>10278475
Damn right nigga, fuck books.

One of the reasons universities cost so much in America is because students demand it. They want to go to schools with lots of amenities, like swimming pools and big sports teams, and new technology, etc., but these things aren't free. If you start implementing things like that, you have to increase costs. There are cheaper schools around, but students are greedy spoiled faggots and want to go to the most expensive place they can get into.

>>10278455
>>10278481
>paying 40k+ a year for dorms and shiny screens in the lecture room
>most rooms still only have a blackboard and wooden seats

>>10278494
B-but we have a huge sports s-stadium and can go there a few t-times a year and be get drunk.. uh...

>>10278475
>droves of slovenly retards learn something
You can't write topological proofs with dollar bills.
>that does not benefit society whatsoever
Relevant professionals are paid for their work. Expensive universities exist to keep poor fucks out of them.

>>10278503
god I hate my country.

JOKE'S ON YOU

I NEVER EVEN STARTED!

>>10278508
>Expensive universities exist to keep poor fucks out of them.
Fortunately, it works because it's a global caste system. America is bound to be exceptional as long as it manages to draw in rich geniuses from all over the world.

I can still learn arabian right?

>>10278560
>Expensive universities exist to keep poor fucks out of them

True and False,

You see, if you did real research on universities that mattered you'd see that there are a few state unis that rise far above the "Ivy League" when it comes to pay after graduation.

State Universities accept anyone who can fuckin pay, employers go after the unis with the best graduates.

True story.

>>10278688

yeah it's way easier than japanese, but unless you want a job with the CIA or something, why bother?

I study religion, so I want read the Quran and whatever Hadith's I can get a hold of,

Also, dont you get sad at all the arabian touhou doujins that would otherwise never get translated?

Why would I learn a language of dying nation?
Chinese language is way more useful and effective. But it's also way more complicated than entry level shit like Japanese.

>>10278735
>Chinese language is way more useful and effective
It's useless for anyone that isn't interest in doing business with chinks. And even then its usefulness is questionable.

I know that already, it's been forever since the last time I opened up RTK, let alone done some reps. Now I'm learning German because it's actually cool and more useful to me, but I'd still want to improve my Japanese someday. Maybe if I had a Japanese girlfriend or something I could go back to caring about learning it again.

>>10278735
>chinese

speaking it wouldn't be hard to learn i'd imagine, but good luck reading it.

russian would probably be your best bet outside of japanese. there is a lot more media shit like video games in russian than there are in chinese, and learning to read it is far simpler since the cryllic alphabet doesn't use a billion fucking characters.

I have a question that I'd really appreciate an answer for. So recently I started learning the Kanji's from scratch using KanjiDamage and due to a post on another thread I only bothered learning the onyomi and not the kunyomi. My question is should I bother learning the kunyomi with the onyomi or worry about it later? as most of the screenshots for untranslated visual novels that I the sentences seem to be written in hiragana and even though I can pronounce most of the sentence I have no idea what they're talking about.

>>10278866
Tae Kim's

>>10278866
「……ホントにあたしが誰だかわかってないの？」
"honto ni atashi ga dare daka wakatte naino?)
"... REALLY,You can't recognize me?"

it's can write put more kanji like this
[……本当に私が誰だか解ってないの？]

>>10278866
Why does everybody think it's a good idea to learn 50,000 readings for 10,000 kanji before you have any idea how to speak the language?

Learn words, not readings.

>>10278866
The words here are:
ホント
に
あたし
が
誰
だ
か
わかって
ない
の
How exactly does it help you to know that 誰 can be read as sui, dare, tare, ta? Just learn that 誰 in this context is the word for "who", and the word for "who" is ｄａｒｅ

>>10279735
I learn readings by learning words, and I think it works pretty well, as I seem to make the same mistakes native readers do.

However, some people want to pass the JLPT1 in less than ten years, and to do that you must have all the useless readings memorized as well as the useful ones.

>>10277622
/jp/ has or even can learn. You stop posting this.

>>10279310
Thank you...for some reason no kanji trips me up and I'm just glaring angrily at the hiragana trying to think of words.

>>10279936
What? Everything tested in JLPT1 is useful.

It's testing basic reading and listening literacy..

>>10286022

You're forgetting the shit-ton of grammar points that are never ever used except in the JLPT

>>10277813
look it up on Bulbapedia if you don't know it.
some names are taken directly from Japanese since Rikai translated it as "baby spotted turtle"
Also on a related note Pokemon crystal helped me learn English.