/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Differences in people's tastes.

They're not the same people.

so what do widows and single mothers offer in place of virginity?

>>10273844

Experience?

>>10273815
not everyone can be a lolicon like me.

>>10273846
yeah but don't Otaku want virginity and inexperienced? The original question is asking why the contradiction of wanting virginal girls but loving single mothers or widows at the same time

Who Incest Otaku here?

>>10273852

The answer is that those are two different people with different tastes.

>>10273890
I am a parent-child incest otaku.

everyone knows virgins completely suck at sex. Poor brainwashed weebs

>>10273922
why do you assume people who want virgins want amazing sex? What if they want to grow with the virgin in sexuality or teach them? You assume that people who want to make love want everything to be perfect

>>10273902
You mean that all those posts on the internet are NOT written by a single person?
Picture horrified_uiharu.jpg being posted with this post, I do not have it on my HDD.

>>10273815
Just lewdness in general causes us to foster such things and with pureness. Single mothers of middle age usually were used or their husbands died, so that means they are hurt and vulnerable in our eyes. This gives us the drive to want to protect them, because they want to be pure or have learned regret from their mistakes from being lewd.

I want to fall in love and wait until marriage, with that same fell in love with, to have sex for a lot of valid reasons, but /jp/ has others who preach about "pureness" and calls girls sluts for sleeping with a guy, but those same people would turn around and have sex with a girl that offered her body. Just hypocrisy. If you're going to preach and desire purity, than you have to live it too, like waiting for the marriage night to have loving/pleasurable sex with the girl you're in love with.

>>10273844
They are very caring, and very affectionate. Also they have been carving for cocks for the last 5 years, and are all dere-dere and will hug you, be all motherly etc.

Not my cup of tea, but I can see the appeal.
Verry different from the virgin archetype, though.

>>10273940
Have you ever written a post on 4chan without heavy usage of assumptions and actually checked the "facts" you base your "deductions" on?

>>10273940
>but those same people would turn around and have sex with a girl that offered her body.
Now you're just projecting.

>>10273815
>So otaku likes pure virginal girls but would also love to have a single mom or widow as a girlfriend? What is the cause of this contradiction?

There is no contradiction if the attraction is purity rather than sexual inexperience. It is extramarital sex that is impure: a woman who has only had sexual intercourse with her husband is exactly as pure as an unmarried woman who has had sex with no one.

>>10273815
In my opinion it's all about loyalty.

It's not just single mothers and widows, it's loyal and pure single mothers and widows.
A single mother that only slept with the father of her children, a widow who only knew the touch of her husband. I think it's mostly these types that are popular.
And you can't be more loyal than a virgin that will only sleep with her future husband.

I sort of understand why religious fanatics with bronze age morality and primitive societies objectify women but not sure why otakus do. I have a theory that otakus have impossibly high standards for women because otakus are homosexuals in denial.

>>10273966
so a single divorced mother whose husband left her after years of devotion is still "pure"

>>10273971
>impossibly high

>>10273815
I thought that guy's left ankle/foot was a hand grabbing his leg. Spooky shit.

>>10273971
I have a theory that nerds are just
I) introverted
II) eager to restrain their dicks because clause I) implies that maintaining a sex life is unreasonably troublesome

Wanting a pure virgin:
"I want my own life, free from the impurities of the rest of society."

Wanting a single mom or a window:
"I want someone who can shelter me from the impurities of society."

>>10273972
>so a single divorced mother whose husband left her after years of devotion is still "pure"

Yes, presuming she has never been unfaithful.

>>10273971
>impossibly high standards for women

29 percent of women below the age of 25 have not engaged in sexual intercourse, anonymous. That's not "impossibly high", that's just the 3 least slutty girls in a group of 10.

>>10273971
high standards shows character you know...

>>10273981
Can you pretty-please tell me what this is from? What a cute face. I like colorful and superficial charms like that.

Wanting to have sex with a non-virgin is gay and gross. Just think. You're putting your penis inside where another man's penis has been. You're rubbing penises with another guy. You're having sex with a man if you have sex with a non-virgin.

I like virgin girls because I'm not a gay

>>10273971
>Not having sex until you are married.
>impossibly high standard

>Not cheating on your husband
>impossibly high standard

What?

>>10273997
>"I want my own life, free from the impurities of the rest of society."
Hmm... that's pretty accurate for my case.

>>10274008
I think it was one of Young Jeezy's or 50 Cents clips

>>10274008
AKB0048

I don't care about about virginity or purity as long as long as the character plays the role of either servant or guardian.

Also, the idea of having a girlfriend disgusts me. Sex friend, slave, relative, or wife would be much better.

>>10274000

No heterosexual male is going to hold out for the rest of his life until he finds a girl who meets the laundry list of otaku requirements

Otakus cook up ridiculous standards to avoid women because they're subconsciously gay.

>>10274008

Aww, you want epic sauce on epic anime girl?

>lpeenhan came

Yeah pal. Even the captcha wants you to go back from where you came.

>>>/a/

>>10274034
I'll show you something from my subconsciousness
*whips out a dick*

>>10273950
Sometimes yes, but there is a lot of analyzing and theorizing I do on my own, so I can't claim facts, but that doesn't mean I am wrong nor does it mean my opinion is void. Trufly, what did you think of what I said?
>>10273957
On the 20th there was a guy who created a thread showing the girl he had sex with though. He said "I was able to know the pleasures of a woman before the apocalypse /jp/" or something like that.

>>10274058
>On the 20th there was a guy who created a thread showing the girl he had sex with though.
That's just one nerd out of millions. Your statistical analysis isn't very strong.

>>10274058
>On the 20th there was a guy who created a thread showing the girl he had sex with though.
That's wasn't a /jp/sie, that was a normalfag.

>>10274066
After all these years on /jp/, with all those lewd posts posted along side all those other posts of wanting or talking about pure girls and then the "Slut" remarks you're going to tell me that those same /jp/ers weren't overlapping with those concepts in their posts?

I find that hard to believe.

>>10274012

You're right, men having sex with women is very gross and homosexual. Sloppy seconds aside, there's no difference between a virgin and a girl taking a break for a few weeks.

>>10274087
except one has felt what its like to be intimate with a man. I think those who want virgins want that special exclusive intimate connection.

romance is a consumer narrative which is cooked to be palatable

since it's a fantasy, consequence needn't apply to scenario

but fantasy in a vacuum, removed from hopes and desires and worldly matters doesn't work i think.

fuck if i know

>>10274087
>there's no difference between a virgin and a girl taking a break for a few weeks.
I hate it when people say dumb shit like this.
There are a lot of differences.
For instance, people who marry virgins are far less likely to divorce or be cuckolded.
They are also happier and less likely to get depressions or commit suicide.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2003/pdf/Bookofcharts.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/84225397/3600089?secret_password=u9sw8pcjwpu40bj6lmp

http://dspace.uta.edu/bitstream/handle/10106/529/umi-uta-1430.pdf;jsessionid=68BDD1BFECBBDFA8A6230F3
BAD8981D7?sequence=1

somehow people equate virginity to being sexually naive or inexperienced. I know quite a number of virgins who are open talking about sex and sexuality and know how they want to be treated in the bed.

My 2 shell about what is attractive with mothers/widows:

1) Motherly, loving, has a big heart and would be compassionate and understanding to me (like my own mother was).
2) Experienced with sex without being a slut. Her sex experience is also focused on making love with a long-term companion, not one night stands.
3) Experienced with serious relationships.
4) Loss of husband, going through marriage and childbirth, are big markers of maturity, so she will likely be down to earth and know how to weather a storm, instead of tantruming like a child.
5) Whether bereaved or divorced, she's probably sad and depressed. Her loss will help her understand my own depressive tendencies, and I could connect easier with her. Understands and appreciates a state of bittersweet happiness tinged with sorrow that will never go away, because it's deeper than your happiness with your loved one. Will be happy to find me and won't easily dismiss my value (less likely to cheat, leave, fight, run away to her mom's house, etc).

Of course this is an idealization, probably born in large part out of my Oedipal worship for my own mother (we get along really well unlike some /jp/sies). Most real single moms are awful people.

Anybody else here yuri otaku? I like vaginas. We truly are the minority here.

>>10274091

A meaningful and lasting intimate connection takes time to build. Virginity has fuck all to do with it.

>>10274297
Vaginas are kinda ugly if they aren't puffy.

>>10274347
Fat mons is best mons, yeah.

>>10274292
Huh. I think I have an appreciation for this archetype now.

>>10273998
>29 percent of women below the age of 25 have not engaged in sexual intercourse

uh.. can you post the source, please?

Women are gross

>>10274368

Doesn't seem too far fetched. A quarter of the world population is made up of Muslims.

>>10274368
This is from a 2001 UNICEF study.

http://www.unicef-icdc.org/publications/pdf/repcard3e.pdf

>>10274392
Jesus, Iceland, control your whores.

>>10274392
wow there are countries more slutty than the USA?

>>10274392
POLAND STRONG

>>10274292
You explained it pretty well.

>>10274392
This is exactly why we all here are Polish little girls

>>10273971
tell us more about the theory, herr doctor

>>10274392

>2001

It's out of date.

>>10274399
Europeans, especially Scandinavians, are a lot more promiscuous than us in general.
They are more casual about it and many are more forward in my experience. It makes me blush.
It's all too much for my puritan American values.

>>10274424
/Just Polish/

>>10274392
Wow, why are scandinavians and brits such whores?

>>10274392
I never would have guessed Iceland being filled with so many sexually active women. Now I know there are a lot of under the radar touhou. I mean there is even that one Muslim touhou. Is there a Touhou that hails from Iceland by chance? If so, than she must be a bigger slut than Sane and Sane is a skank too!

>>10274428
Sorry. I couldn't find more recent ones that aren't about 15-year-olds.

Christmas is over go back to your home board(s).

>>10274434

Portugal is pretty pure too compared to the rest

We should rename the board to /jpp/ - Just Polish & Portuguese

>>10274452

>Portuguese
>pure

They're niggers.

>>10274456
Fuck if I care, I'm just quoting that survey

Nintey percent of unmarried women below the age of 25 haven't had sex in your country, autists still find some flaw that makes them unacceptable.

Otakus are the type who'd die of thirst while surrounded by water. It's okay to delete this thread now.

>>10274292
Oh, I forgot to mention one thing: Previously married women are often regarded as undesirable by mainstream society. First because they are often old. Especially in Japan, a 35 year old single lady who isn't some super aggressive career business woman would have trouble finding a good husband. Also, some people see them as "used" and prefer a never-married woman.

I think people intuitively catch on to the points I made with age, such that older, intelligent men will tend to marry widows or divorcees if possible (unless they value innocence and youth and marry a girl young enough to be their daughter). So there is a factor increasing their desirability as well. But this would happen around 40-50 years, so divorced or widowed women in their 30s are in a sort of desirability pit.

As I said, I think to a certain kind of person these 30s single women can be grossly undervalued by society. So, if you can sift through all the crazy, awful women who have destroyed their marriage themselves and haven't learned from their mistakes, what remains is a pool of relatively young women that are great wife material, far better than any you could get otherwise (eg late 20s college grad coworkers etc).

But that is today. By the time this pool of 30s single ladies is accessible to us /jp/sies, it will be 2020-2025. Those 30s women will all come from the population of todays young adult women, and who knows what they will be like.

>>10274655
>By the time this pool of 30s single ladies is accessible to us /jp/sies
I don't like your tone.

>>10274665
I only meant that the average person on /jp/ is probably in his twenties, so it's impractical to pursue the attentions of such women. My choice of pronoun was to indicate that this is a subjective conjecture, nothing else.

>>10274670
You'd think lonely 3X women would be happy to mother a 20-something.

At 27 I have given up all hope of ever marrying a virgin and so I'll stay alone until the end of my life.

>>10274703
So true.

I don't think it's hard to see the appeal of two virgins becoming one together until death do the part, smiling and blushing constantly along the way.

Two night ago I had a dream, among other things involving a very tall but quiet korean girl jacking me off. After I woke up I googled tall asian woman short man porn. To my amazement there's a ton of content featuring freakishly tall yet beautiful asian woman with tiny little men. I masturbated 5 times yesterday, up from my average 1-2 times. You wouldn't believe the positions that are made possible. In several the girl picks the guy up and has sex with him while holding him up. In others, they do something similar to the missionary but with the man on bottom. Oh my god, the stuff was even better than straight shotacon.

>>10274683
You could probably find quite a few that would come to enjoy it as they get to know you closely, but you'd still have to present yourself properly for a bit in the beginning.

Also, be that as it may, it is still awkward to approach older women, especially for anything beyond drunken casual sex.

Values are constantly being redefined in this fast moving technological age.

In Biblical times an unmarried woman who lost her virginity was falsely perceived as losing her worth. None of that matters now, compatibility is determined by how much fun you have with a partner.

>>10274768
what no. Virginal women are still desired. It has nothing to do with technology. It's a biological constant that we evolved with. We live in the modern era but our biology still thinks its thousands of years ago. A virginal woman is more likely bare your child. The double standard will never go away as long as we are human

>>10274392
Finland I am ashamed.

>>10274392
I live close to Portugal... one can only hope.

>>10274813

It's not like you could tell the difference if one of those girls told you she's a virgin. Personality is what's important.

>>10274839
hahahahaha

haven't seen anything as funny in my life

>>10274825
I don't think it would matter. It's not that Portuguese girls you'd like are less uptight, it's just that because of their culture, there are more slutty annoying types that you wouldn't like.

>>10274839
Yeah, I'm sure there's no correlation between their promiscuity and their personality, after all.

>>10274784

>It's a biological constant

It's a social construct.

>>10274866
it's not read up on gender dynamics

In the history of mankind as a species, an average of 40% of men successfully passed their genes to future generations, compared to an average of 80% for women. Today's human population is descended from twice as many women as men. This is (widely acknowledged) proof that women function as sexual selectors, and that men evolved risk-taking and ambition behaviours to compete for mating rights. Studies:
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.6231.pdf
http://mbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/21/11/2047.long

A lecture on the implications, by an eminent, tenured professor of Psychology:
http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm

A documentary which touches on the subject:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5LRdW8xw70

More studies on how this psychological difference manifests culturally:
>Is there a gender difference in strength of sex drive?
http://www.csom.umn.edu/assets/71520.pdf
>Sexual Economics: Sex as a Female Resource for Social Exchange in Heterosexual Interactions
http://www.csom.umn.edu/Assets/71503.pdf
>Cultural Suppression of Female Sexuality
http://www.femininebeauty info/suppression.pdf
>Female polygyny/hypergamy
http://www.nber.org/public_html/confer/2008/si2008/EFABG/saint-paul.pdf
http://www.econ.washington.edu/user/erose/hypergamy_v2a_paper.pdf
http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pgen.1000202
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2743334
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v41/n1/abs/ng0109-8.html

Esther Vilar's seminal work on the concept that women enjoy a parasitic relationship with men, composed decades before this research (albeit intuited by thinkers as early as Schopenhauer, and supposed by most scientists for generations):
http://www.naturalthinker.net/trl/texts/Vilar,Esther/ManipulatedMan.html The text itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Esther_Vilar&oldid=442296393 Synopsis.
http://www.theabsolute.net/misogyny/vilar.html A preview.

>>10274866
oh my god are serious hahahahaha....

you've bought into that feminist patriarchy bullshit that genders have no intrinsic differences and are equal?

>>10274879
>>10274887
Please don't derail the thread.

>>10274860
I don't understand... my country isn't in that list but I live close to Portugal, so I hope our statistics are similar.

>>10274784

>Virginal women are still desired.

By some religious and tribal societies. In modern and Western societies, the issue is irrelevant. Preference for virginity has become a fetish.

>It's a biological constant that we evolved with.

Men's biological constant is fucking anything with a hole in it.

>A virginal woman is more likely bare your child.

As opposed to a single mother who's proven her fertility? Nonsense.

>>10274863

Who said they're promiscuous? She could have had sex with just one guy she knew for years.

>>10274936
There are always exceptions, but generally a virgin girl will be less promiscuous than a non-virgin.

>>10274924
what you don't understand that our biological drives will forever impact our perceptions.

Even with no religion sluts will be considered sluts and virginity still held high regard

you think the double standard will dissappear when religion and conservatives go away? Males aversion to promiscuous women as faithful partners is ingrained to psyche since the beginning of our species

How relevant are those studies anyways? We'd need to determine the percentage of those women that lie about having/not having sex.

I find little weight on any study that involves a human being answering a question.

>>10274944
Virginity in the modern world is more correlated with being massively defective in some way or another than with being a perfect chaste girl.

>>10274924
I prefer a virgin girl over one that has had sex. Are you going to claim I'm some barbarian or religious fanatic?

>>10274839
>Personality is what's important.
No it's not, look at >>10274210
People who marry virgins have a divorce rate of 20%, if the women has had one previous partner it's almost 50%.

>>10274975
He would be well within his rights to call you an illiterate barbarian because you can't comprehend English worth a shit.

>>10274966
relevance is that men and women are different intrinsically. Women are better than other things than men and vice versa that is fact. Gender roles and expectations are not a sham. Political correctness and feminism telling us men and women are the same is a is damaging. Gender roles should be cultivated.

>>10274978
only in liberal societies like american where gender is far removed from their intended purpose

>>10274985
How much is a shit worth?

>>10274942

Virgins are trouble. A girl who only had sex with one or two guys and ready to settle makes better marriage material because she got the sexual curiosity out of her system.

>>10274768
>>10274866
>>10274924
>>10274978
You people got it the wrong way around.
It's the acceptance of sluts and non-virgins that is the social construct.

You can tell this because virginity was prized in almost all cultures around the world, cultures that had no contact with each other.
Sluts on the other hand were seen as defunct and useless in almost all cultures across the world.

>>10274986
work places dominated by a certain gender shouldn't lower their standards just to accomodate a woman who isn't as good in the competitive world of men.

Women being paid less in heavy lifting jobs is justified because men can carry heavier loads for example.

There is no patriarchy that is oppressing women

>>10274991
only that's not true as a woman will stay with a man as long as he can provide a certain need.

>>10274991
>A girl who only had sex with one or two guys and ready to settle makes better marriage material because she got the sexual curiosity out of her system.
Yeah, no you are completely wrong.

http://www.youtube.com/user/girlwriteswhat

this wonderful woman shows the hypocrisy of modern feminist agenda and the lie of "equality"

I'm so happy there are women who can see feminism as what it really is

Also this man has tons of wisdom as well
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL91C3F7E7A93687A9

>>10274986
>only in liberal societies like american where gender is far removed from their intended purpose
And Europe is even worse in that regard. So between those two, that's most of the people in /jp/.

>>10274993
As much as the market can bear.

>>10275000
>only that's not true as a woman will stay with a man as long as he can provide a certain need.
That's not true for all women. My parents have a lot of older female acquaintances who are taking care of husbands who can't take care of themselves anymore.

>>10274975

>some barbarian or religious fanatic

It's possible you're either but more likely you're just another case of a beta who doesn't know his self-worth and whose high standards for a partner is proportional to your gross inadequacies.

>>10274991
Well, that's your point of view. For me, it shows that she isn't pressured to do what society tell us, takes commitment seriously and has some sense of self-worth.

>>10274979
A huge trashy skank will obviously lose her virginity early. What's next, "99% of people aren't autistic floorshitters so I'm probably not either"?

Sex is only for married lovers.

There is nothing wrong with a widow.

>>10275009
>>10275017
>>>/r9k/

This discussion is shitty enough, please don't start derailing it towards feminism or use terms like beta.

Here come the anti-feminist crusaders to hijack yet another thread.

>>10275009
>RockingMrE
He's living the /jp/sie dream.
He NEETs around while his wife works.
All he has to do is take care of his loli daughter.

>>10275029
what's wrong when feminists always respond with emotion and pseudo science. There are a lot of studies that actively show that feminist ideaology and women' study is destructive and in denial of our biology

>>10275037

>muh biotruths

>>10275043
Who are you quoting?

>>10275017
I think you're just pulling that out of your ass.

Why don't you try using some objective material to support your opinion if you plan on showing people you know what you're talking about.

>>10275029
They are only here in response to feminists and their retarded "virginity isn't important" and "virginity is a social construct" ideas.

>>10275037
No, fuck off. This thread was originally about what people find appealing of older, motherly types (based mostly around fantasy, necessarily,) which you've managed to turn into yet another of the fifty million threads about how virgins are important and females are whores that litter /pol/ and /r9k/ every single day, and /jp/ when you find a thread you can derail into one.