/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>10241142
Lewd.

>>10241142
This guy's artstyle is lute.

>>10241172

Holy fuck, this goddamn chapter.

So much important stuff happened. Human Village confirmed for Human Zoo.

Yukari in knee showing skirt.

Get to work Pixiv.

Youkai confirmed for controlling Human Village from the shadows.

Youkai confirmed for still eating humans.

Youkai confirmed for being able to cross the great barrier with no problems

And Kasen confirmed for youkai.

Plot is finally starting to kick in.

>>10241199
Damn, check out that fat lute.

>>10241240
>Human Village confirmed for Human Zoo.
>Youkai confirmed for still eating humans.
I don't have a slowpoke picture, but let's pretend that I do, and that I attached it here.

>And Kasen confirmed for youkai.
... what a surprise.

>>10241287

You would be surprised how many faggots still argue that Gensokyo is a peaceful paradise and youkai no longer hurt humans.

Hobgoblins in SDM doujins incoming.

All they eat are NEETs and petty criminals, right?
If that's the case, then I'm fine.

>>10241298
You would be surprised how many faggots still ignore the info that proves that true.
'course, now we've got information for both sides, so...

>>10241308
I feel bad for all the /jp/sies that went to Gensokyo.

yeah yeah... yokai eat humans... ok

now human village is their fooshelter.
it's beyond stupid

Zun doesn't have balls to actully show some visual eating yokai.
He go with the cute characters people love.

To me it's like cheating.

If Touhou project goes to "picturing" cute girls eating human... i bet it won't be this big

>>10241303

That fucking goblin is looking at her private spot while she's stepping on his head.

Little shit is living the dream.

>>10241315

One of the games had Yuyuko eating Mystia.

So I doubt many people would care. Fairy Tales are full of witches and monsters eating people.

>>10241310
Both sides? Forgive me, but I can't recall the source that explicitly states that youkai no longer consume flesh.

As an aside, I wonder if it's a biological necessity, or a mythological one. As in, do they actually need to eat in order to survive, or do they eat because their role demands that they do so? As in, a youkai ceases to be a youkai when it no longer eats flesh and thus loses its meaning. I mean, we know that some Youkai don't need to eat human flesh at all, so whatever the case may be, I doubt it's a blanket rule that applies to all of them.

>>10241329
Mystia can just come back from being eaten. It's a lot harder for humans to do the same.

>>10241329
That didn't actually happen.

>>10241333

Like if anybody would care about some nameless villagers getting eaten.

>>10241333
Are you sure Shikieki doesn't just respawn everyone ?

>>10241347
They have an awfully strange definition for the word exterminated, too. It bugs me that the word is thrown around so casually when whatever happens to the youkai is so far from its meaning. It doesn't seem to be a big deal at all for a youkai to be exterminated.

>you will never fill the stomach of a youkai

>>10241333
Akyuu wrote about how youkai hardly ever eat people these days and how they actually get along with humans just fine these days. But that only applies to village people.

>>10241358

Youkai regenerate.

It's pretty much impossible to kill them permanently.

So humans can't cross the great border, but youkai can come and go as they please. Gensokyo is pretty much a prison for humans.

>>10241363
Short of killing the idea of them, I suppose. Erasing their names, extirpating their legends, wiping every bit of them from the human psyche. I doubt any youkai can come back from that.

>>10241358
>It bugs me that the word is thrown around so casually when whatever happens to the youkai is so far from its meaning.

This is because people are affraid to go against shitty old translations for touhou games. The word used isn't actually extreminate, it's "to defeat". Except the edgy SA goons who translated the games wanted Reimu to be terminator and now, years later, everyone is way too scared to correct it.

How long until science wielding espers from outside world start fighting man eating monsters lurking in the shadows?

>>10241374

Which is why they have a village of pet humans to keep remembering and fearing them.

>>10241329

Yes i know. It's the viusal aspect i'm upset with.
Yuyuko eat misty but it's just one stupid line of dialog with Zun naïve art.
It's full of "yokai" in frilly dress, and he want to go with "yeah human are just food" but doesn't show blood or the most nasty aspect of this. It's hipocrisy.

BTW, in the pre-pc games to imperishable night era, even official material was more in a way of a good natured gensokyo (exept maybe rumia ?)
Even scarlet sisters wasn't killing when driking blood, just spilled too much on theirs dress.

later era was more into religion and more real yokai manner.

>>10241371
So how are you going to translate a phrase like "ネズミ退治"?

>>10241333
>Mystia can just come back from being eaten.
How does this work? Is there a time period where she regenerates from a pile of a shit? If Yuyuko was constipated would Mystia reform and claw her way out of her gut?

>>10241371
I see. That does make a lot more sense. Why did they do that stuff, though? It reminds me of some fansubbers who think literal translations are below them.

>>10241333
>Both sides? Forgive me, but I can't recall the source that explicitly states that youkai no longer consume flesh.

Reimu say that in some official works.

It's also state that Yokai were no longer "old folks yokai"

>>10241399

Probably works similar to liches.

>>10241399
I think /d/ could answer you.

>>10241403
Because they were the translators and they thought it was cooler or funny. Pretty much the reason why Remilia, Marisa and Alice cuss in IN.

>>10241404

And now Yukari said that they are keeping human village under surveillance. While they get food from "somewhere".

Anyways, good to see Yukari is active again.

>>10241333
>Mystia can just come back from being eaten.
she isnt a fairy
but mystia was never eaten in the first place

>Human Village confirmed for Human Zoo.

And this Keine a complete pointless chatacter

>>10241403
Because "extermination" is an accurate translation of "退治" and someone in this thread is going on a lark.

>>10241384
But then there are forgotten youkai, like Koishi. An aimless, wandering youkai that cannot be remembered or known about unless one already knows of Satori, and that she has a sister. She's about as close to forgotten as you can get, and she's still doing fine. She clearly doesn't need humans to fear her and she doesn't depend upon them for her existence. Maybe it's belief in youkai in general? The idea that youkai exist and are real in a broad sense rather than specific kinds of youkai existing?

>>10241399

Youmu must save her

>>10241424

It's probably enough that some people believe that the youkai species of Satori exists.

>>10241371
I really need to start playing the games untranslated.

Aw shit. This is getting pretty serious.

>>10241440
It's Touhou, so I doubt it.

>>10241362
In addition Cage in Lunatic Runagate states that humans in the village are generally off-limits.

>>10241440

Eyes of a serial killer.

>>10241303
After some thought I realized the SDM isn't just filled with fairy pussy anymore.

And that hobgoblin suddenly got a more serious and detailed picture of his back, I don't like this.


>Human Village confirmed for Human Zoo.

And well, that seems to be the reason why the border exists, as in the end Youkai are ones to be consumed by the outside world.

>>10241490

A handful of hobgoblins doing dirty work in the basement is acceptable.

>>10241490

Zashiki Warashis went outside for work and nothing happened to them.

>>10241506
>doing dirty work in the basement
heh heh, i know what you mean

>>10241510

>>10241507
But the "common" human population from the outside world is unaware of the existence of Gensokyo.

And we don't know if the ones who requested help of these Zashiki Wathevers are even humans.

>>10241521
No Flan, no!

>>10241257
>And Kasen confirmed for youkai.
Woah an oni, the third diva at that, is a youkai?!

I never would have guessed

>>10241536
>Yukari created all the "portal to gensokyo" threads

>>10241440

Honestly, this line in particular just makes me think this is going to end up being Yukari manipulating Kasen into doing something and ending on a "What are you talking about? I just meant that I go buy ready-made bentos at 7/11,　てへ～★" anticlimax.

But I thought Yukari was a good guy.

>>10241602
Yukari is ambiguous. It's an unfortunate reality, but all things strive for life. We try to cling desperately to survival, in any way we can. Youkai, if they truly do need human flesh to continue existing, will not hesitate to eat humans, even if they have qualms about doing so.

Where can I download new chapter at?

>>10241602
She's pro-Gensokyo and pro-youkai. She's not against humans or anything, but she has pretty clear priorities.

>Those comments on danbooru for this page
Look at all dem retarded secondary faggots

>>10241652
At least they're recycling and keeping the carnivore from prowling too much.

>>10241660
I liked the author's choice in "fertilizer" too, really sparked thought on the subject,

It wouldn't have been even half as controversial if it wasn't a baby. Hypocrisy at it's finest. No one even bats an eyelid when Orin brings a grown man's corpse a few pages later.

>>10241246
Oh shit nigga Yukari has BOOBS

>>10241333
Akyuu says that Youkai still ate humans from the outside.

>>10241257
>Youkai confirmed for still eating humans.
maybe they're eating their pets.

>>10241329
>>10241387
>One of the games had Yuyuko eating Mystia.
I hope you don't actually think that happened.

>>10241681
I'd let them eat me if you know what I mean.

>>10241363
No, that's only from physical damage. You can kill them using spiritual attacks like Reimu's powers.

>>10241423
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>>10241358
>>10241371
Actually this was addressed in PMiSS and more recently OSP.

Akyuu (in PMiSS) and the fairies (in OSP) claim that despite Reimu using the word ''extermination'', she doesn't actually exterminate them and in fact is just a stir up using danmaku in order to befriend them.

>>10241440
I hope Yukari toys with Kasen regarding revealing her identity to Reimu.

>>10241697
D'awwww.

I doubt hobgoblins are walking around freely in the outside world in Europe, so I'm guessing Europe has its own version of Gensokyo?

It would be neat if every major culture has its own Gensokyo.

I'm getting DQX vibes from those hobgoblins.

>>10241750
Are you sure you'd like to live among your folklore ?
I don't want to have the Slenderman for neighbour.

>>10241759
ZUN must have played that since it came out recently.

>>10241765
But if it's like Gensokyo, Slenderman would be more like Slenderloli.

>>10241750
those little imps look like abunch of rapist

there goes sakuyas virginity

>>10241420
Keine is working for YOG.

Fuck you, I'll just continue to ignore the written work.

>>10241420

So these two are pointless characters.

>Yukari confirmed as evil monster
>Keine confirmed as clueless zookeeper

>>10241880
What's with artists constantly drawing Keine with Tokiko-like hair?

>>10241750
Of all western creatures, the faggot chooses goblins?

>>10241886

>>10241886

Because ask ZUN or consult pic related.

>>10241886
But her hair is like that.

>>10241886

>>10241898
Isn't that just the usual unconsistent ZUN shading?

>>10241789
I like how you think....

>>10241907
Slenderloli would be delicious as HELL. Unnaturally thin, lengthy limbs, creeping along in ways that don't quite match with her body, always sliding about just out of sight.

>>10241904
I can reach no conclusions ever since patchouli had no stripes.

>>10241904
unconsistent ZUN breast size.

Iceland is already pretty much Europe's version of Gensokyo. They believe in elves, to the point of leaving out milk for them and halting construction if they think that they're in elf territory. For some reason, lots of old beliefs and folktales still hold there.

>>10241547
DIRECTOR: M NIGHT SHYAMALAN

>>10241976
I find it pretty cool a developed country still believes in stuff like that.

I think that entire thing of youkais spying on humans is about dont let them planning to much about leaving gensokyo or just check if their train of thought is getting too close of the train of thought of the humans in the outside world.
Youkais needs humans to believe in their existence to actually exist, so if the humans of gensokyo start to get more and more close to the humans of the outside world, they will probably start to slowly forget that youkai exist, and then, youkais will start to disappear.

>>10242094
Iceland also usually finds it pretty cool.

>>10241374
That just sounds way too meta. While a youkai is alive, it ought to be able to forcibly remind people of its existence by, you know, terrorizing them. Because it's alive.

Anyway, that's species you're talking about. Killing an individual youkai is very easy.

>>10242139
Hah, I get it.

Yukari is talking about the outside world humans being the food, which has been confirmed multiple times in the series. Humans living in Gensokyo are not supposed to be eaten, however, as they are protected by the spell card rules.

>>10241416
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>>10241298
You know, she didn't actually say anything, for all we know she could be referring to the outsiders that glitch into Gensokyo that Akyuu herself said were still being eaten by Youkai to this day.

>>10242537
That and the "people who will not be missed" that have been mentioned in a few profiles.

>>10242502
Partially protected. They have a fair chance to defend themselves. They aren't protected by the rules if they lose.

Daily reminder that youkai are brutal and relentless killers.

I find it so cute that people still try to pretend that there's a sort of consistent plot or even a proper -setting- in Touhou.

>>10242686
Oh look, someone who doesn't know the existence of all the books.

>>10242686
There is a proper setting, people just get it confused with their secondary doujinshi.

>>10242707
You could probably get "proper setting" out of that but you probably can't get consistent.

>>10242599
>They aren't protected by the rules if they lose.

Except they are, the rules explicitly say youkai can't humans even if they lose a spellcard duel.

The same book that shows that also says that the humans that get eaten are the ones that come from the outside world who accidentally glitch into Gensokyo.

>>10241333
>Forgive me, but I can't recall the source that explicitly states that youkai no longer consume flesh.

PMiSS.

Incidentally, you don't have a source that explicitly says what you claim.

>>10242707
I never understood why Zun gets so buttfrustrated when someone buys/reads anything that it's not the main saga games but forgets to actually have plots and rather makes the characters chitchat about the weather. Why seclude the intresting events in side stories and shit instead of having actual plots IN the fucking games?
And don't start telling me that there actually are plots, characters just scream a couple of cute lines and then move on.

>>10242714
*can't eat

>>10242738
Those are still plots, most of the story is told through the intro and endings.

>>10242738
>Why seclude the intresting events in side stories and shit instead of having actual plots IN the fucking games?
The main games are too good for such B-grade shite.

>>10242643

I wouldn't mind getting eaten by them if they raped me first.

>>10242757
But the idea is actually intriguing, what lacks in a sort of energy moving those events. I could never get really excited in anything happening in the "plot" because of how laid back and dismissive the narrators of the story are. It didn't exact felt like that with 7 and 8 (I actually found 8 quite atmospheric) but in later games the characters gave so few fucks that it's almost a joke. It's the exact same reason why I can't really get a serious mood from this -religious war- that it's going to happen.

Sometimes I wonder what would happen to Touhou is ZUN actually showed one of the popular characters brutally murdering and eating humans.

Or something like a cook it yourself party full of popular youkai with a large cage full of crying humans they would mercilessly drag out and eat alive.

>>10242782
>TH15
>Written by Gen Urobuchi with Zun's collaboration

>>10242782
That's a bit dark for Touhou.

>>10242788
This reminds me of that tryhard wannabedarkandedgy Yuuka vs Yukari doujin.

>>10242782
I for one would be incredibly aroused.

>>10242782
The second situation is pretty much asking for a good stabbing or two. Use your head.

>>10242801
You have problem with Chado?

>>10242812
Not at all, I loved that work. But it was indeed too tryhard wannabedarkandedgy for my likes.

>>10242782

Such a shame doujin circles aren't using a man eating party as a scenario for their doujins.

Just think about it: a bunch of drunk youkai "playing" with their food in wicked ways before eating them.

>>10242826
That's the total opposite of what most people want to be doing with Touhous.

So if I challenge a youkai to a danmaku duel, I'm safe?

>>10242837
If you win, sure.

>>10242841

No I'm fairly certain the rules are they can't eat humans even if they lose the duel.

In hindsight, I barely know Japanese, and I don't know if screaming "DANMAKU ONEGAI" counts.

>>10242837

If you can't do danmaku you can't danmaku duel. So outsiders are screwed.

And I'm pretty sure a youkai wouldn't care about some unwritten rules if she was really hungry or pissed.

>>10242849

I know my cell phone can be thrown as one.

One is all it takes!

>>10242849
So this makes me wonder. Can danmaku be taught? Are there "schools of danmaku" for humans?

>>10242717
>Just about the only thing in common between youkai is that they attack and eat humans.
From PMiSS. Fuck you, faggot.

>>10242857

I'm pretty sure you need to be able to use magic first.

I doubt some generic farmers from human village can do danmaku.

>>10242857
That's pretty much the whole Marisa character in a nutshell.

>>10242863

Isn't every human in the human village special in some way?

>>10242870
No, we are only shown the special ones. All the others die offscreen during incidents but we only care about cute girls.

Has no one in this thread read PMiSS or SoPM? Almost all of your dumb questions have already been answered in them.

>>10242894

Yet faggots always pull "Akyu is not reliable" card.

This time we get info from the one at the very top.

>>10242900

Isn't the whole point of Touhou to be a bit vague in terms of canon?

>>10242901
There's a point to Touhou?

>>10242903

Well, other than cute girls engaging in danmaku, no I guess you're right there.

I just meant the vagueness is what made Touhou so popular in the doujinshi scene.

>>10242901

That was years ago.

>>10242900
All the info comes from ZUN.

Okay, so how did the WaHH discussion get taken over by grimdarkfaggotry to the point that everyone missed the actual new and important information from the chapter?

>>10241240
>But since the zashiki-warashi got requests from the outside world, that takes priority. This kind of chance doesn't come very often.
>Chance, you say... So could it be that the ultimate goal of the youkai is to...

...reinstate themselves in the outside world? This would be fuckhuge, pretty unexpected, and break quite a few established facts about Gensokyo.

>>10241320
Remilia confirmed for abusing loli, Rie Kugimiya tier.

>>10243327
*abusive, not abusing.

>>10243336
Given that regular SDM maids are fairies, the latter is most likely also correct.

>>10241142
So?

>>10241362
Also, Akyuu shills for the youkai. Check the afterword of PMiSS, where she says she's happy now to have long-lived friends (youkai), because her unusual life cycle will be less alienating like this.

This is rather important and should color everything she writes. Akyuu simply isn't on the humans' side anymore.

>>10243327

She just got few new punching bags.

And she can abuse me anytime.

>>10243447
> Akyuu simply isn't on the humans' side anymore.
You're not quite right, I think. There are no any "sides". There is no war, after all, right?
Humans are not hating all youkais altogether and vice versa. Also come on, there are some long-living humans, hermits, celestials, half-youkais and such.

>>10241420
Keine is just the first line of defense for the human village.

>>10243463
see
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>>10241631
Yukari is the youkai sage. She does what she does to ensure the survival of her species. Good / Evil don't even enter her equation.

>>10241750
Certainly.

>that captcha

>>10243483
damn..the human village is fucked

>>10243487
Just some words that mean literally nothing. So? Welcome to the world of touhou canon.

Grimderp fantasies thread? Grimderp fantasies thread. Everybody is hating and killing and eating each other all the time blahblahblah etc etc.

Yeah, we still don't have any proofs, but when does that stopped anybody from derping?
Protip: Somebody saying something vague with a scaaary face is not considered a proof. Dead body is.

>>10243487
see
>>10241449

what's the name of that font that's always used in manga translations?

>>10243540
Wildwords?

>>10243548
been there already
That place reeks of weebs and sucks some huge balls.

I hope you fuckers never come with this "youkai don't kill humans anymore" bullshit after the new game.

I'd love to see the raws, I'm not really trusting the translations.

>>10243568
That would require ZUN to retcon 10 years worth of his work. You hope he'll do it because you don't particularly like it? Well, keep hoping.

>>10243584

What retcon?

He's been talking about youkai murdering and eating humans all the time.

Read the interview in SoPM secondary-kun.

atmosphere of the game, the general design, the tale zun tell us (like stealing spring), the danmaku rule, the music. The way character dress and act.

And people still go for the grimdark ? way do like touhou in the first place ?

Yeah, some yokai eat human flesh, but honestly that not the point.

You should read SSiB again

>>10243612
Read Cola. Or keep dreaming.

>>10243631
Touhou is both little girls in frilly dresses drinking tea and saying charming things; and mountain ogres cutting down terrified humans for a roast.

The series concentrates on the cute side and treat the bad things as an aside joke, but it's rather idiotic to take this as "proof" that bad things don't actually happen. ZUN writes again and again about what youkai do with people, and this time somebody at Tasofro happened to illustrate it in an appropriate form.

An actual retcon would be needed if we found out this game that "eating" actually means "scaring" and that the people youkai eat get better afterwards.

>>10243631
fuck that shit

ARE WE OFF MOONEK YET?

>>10243680
>An actual retcon would be needed if we found out this game that "eating" actually means "scaring"

Yeah, well, that's basically what...

Wait, okay, whatever, by this point I'm pretty sure you're just being facetious.

>>10243631

That's the charm of Touhou.

Cute man eating monsters in frilly dresses drinking tea.

>>10243612
>>10243568
Except it's been already stated they don't kill villagers since they CAN'T, the ones that they actually eat are the outsiders, this has been stated waaaaay ago since PMiSS.

At this point I'm pretty sure that even if Yukari vomited a half digested human remains in official manga some faggots would still claim that youkai stopped eating humans.

>>10242859
That's just a common trait of them, it doesn't say ''youkai eat villagers today''.

PMiSS says youkai don't eat villagers but instead eat outsiders.

>>10243752

And that changes... what exactly?

The point is they murder people.

>>10242849
I'm pretty sure the rules are more than just ink on paper.

We've never seen someone be able to break the rules, and there's also Utsuho and Byakuren who have absolutely no reason to have used spellcards on their first appearance.

>>10243568
I'm pretty sure that's just artsy drawings.

There's no reason for youkai to look like the traditional old japanese drawings while also having Reimu in it.

>>10243761
These people are referring to the arguments of Gensokyo being or not grimdark bullshit in which youkai killing humans was discussed. They still don't kill the Gensokyo humans so absolutely nothing has changed after this chapter.

>>10243769

>>10243777

They keep the village under heavy surveillance and infiltrated it with a bunch of super cute lolis.

And they still eat people. Doesn't really matter if those people are from outside if you ask me.

Human meat is more tasty, I think.

>>10243752
Since PCB, actually. (Though the PCB description has since been deemed unreliable by ZUN. Nevertheless, this particular part of it appears to have been accurate.)

And apart from Yukari not having said anything we didn't already know, she didn't actually say anything particularly conclusive either ("wink wink, nudge, nudge, y'know what I mean"). But I guess when you're a desperate grimdarkfag, you'll hang on to anything you get.

>>10243796
It matters when you ask a Gensokyo native.

>>10243761
Not really. They're supposed to be suicides, etc.

Why is /jp/ so full of secondaries.

Read the goddamn print works, and pay some attention to the game prologues and endings.

Nothing happened that wasn't known from the very first goddamn windows games.

The youkai who need humans as food eat humans from outside. And that doesn't actually necessarily mean killing them - the fact that Remilia doesn't kill the humans she feeds on is canon.

Inside of Gensokyo it's all a big game of pretend "kidnappings" and pretend "exterminations".

Yukari looks so young in that chapter~

>>10244006
Really? She usually looks younger, the boobs are pretty big for her.

It seems ZUN is aware that the outside world, be it futuristic or not, turns everybody into sluts.

>>10243995

Vampires don't eat people. They just drink blood.

Eating human meat is quite different.

>>10244006

She always looks like a teen girl.

Old hag crowd is simply retarded.

Youkai pig disgusting. We should exterminate them all.

>>10244134
I would have thought these zashiki-wathevers looked somewhat different to a human or unnatural, but they sure are child-like and cute.

>But since the zashiki-warashi got requests from the outside world, that takes priority.

Yukari confirmed for procurer/pimp.

>>10243463
You don't need literal war to have "sides." Any group with a common interest is a "side."

If Yukari said this in a game you'd all just chalk it off as game dialogue being chock-full of people talking a big talk.

>However, when ones with power clash, both sides are aware that they cannot come to a conclusion easily. To counter this, rules will often be decided beforehand and a formal battle will take place. By fighting with these rules, even if one could continue after losing, they must admit their loss. Once that is done, the other side will not continue further. That is the wisdom of youkai who have lived long.
~Kazami Yuuka's article, PMiSS

Do we have any proof that the spell card rules are anything more than that? Remember, in SSiB, we saw them explaining the spell card rules to the Watatsukis and then challenging them to a formal duel using them. Who's to say that didn't also happen for Byakuren etc.? I'm pretty sure it's never said that you have to use these rules to fight (if it was ever said, please do tell me, this isn't a troll and I'm honestly asking).

I mean, we have cases in WaHH and OSP of newborn youkai attacking and killing humans in Gensoukyou (and yes there are corpses, it's a fact that it happened, get over it). Clearly the spell card rules don't apply to such creatures even if they are actual magic-enforced "laws" like people so often claim. What, then, would be the criteria for enforcing it in the first place? Why is it that only beings that are widely considered to be "sentient" are bound by these universal laws? Even if they are just feral, you should be able to block them from engaging in such actions if you bind all of Gensoukyou with your magic.

Being "sentient" should not even come into the equation, unless of course if you have to agree to them before using them. In which case it becomes obvious that there is a choice.

>>10244186
Everyone knows that, idiot.
It's still canon that a lot of youkai eat flesh, but mostly animals since they can't hurt anyone from the human village.

>>10245119
>we have cases in WaHH and OSP of newborn youkai attacking and killing humans in Gensoukyou

I don't think I read the same WaHH and OSP you did.

Now, the problem is, as far as I'm aware, I read all the official ones released so far.

>>10244186
There are other ways too kill. Humans can't survive if they lose too much blood Duh, but since Remilia is a light eater the humans she feeds on don't die.

>>10245174
*to kill

>>10245166
In WaHH, I'm talking about the youkai that made a sound like a gunshot. Remember, Reimu was convinced it was the kappa doing it until the end?

In OSP, it's the wolf youkai. Kasen went and turned it into a different kind of youkai.

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Kasen specifically mentioned in at least one of the two scenarios that they had had a taste of human flesh. I believe that was the one where it made gunshot noises. And in the one with the wolf youkai, I'm pretty sure I remember it mentioning a number of humans that died as a result...

>>10245119
>Do we have any proof that the spell card rules are anything more than that?
No, and anyone who tells you otherwise is wrong.

>>10244134
>futuristic
...you are aware that only Renko and Maribel live in the future and outside world of Gensokyo shown in majority of the material is our modern world, right?

Maribel just doesn't care much for such things like the flow of time in her Gensokyo dreams.

>>10245216
>outside world of Gensokyo shown in majority of the material is our modern world, right?
If you have proof, feel free to present it...?

>>10245221
Yukari says that the Nintendo DS is popular in the outside world during the time of CoLA.

>>10245119
Wolves that eat people turn into youkai. It wasn't a youkai yet. Of course, a wolf that eats people can easily turn into a youkai that eats people and isn't even going to know what the spell card rules are.

>>10245119
Guys I don't think Byakuren was actually SEALED UP in Makai, I'm pretty sure it was more like she sealed up in Makai but she was still able to freely move around in Makai, so she probably heard about the spell card rules at some point.

>>10245221
...we know the date in the outside world the border was created at. We know the date it's now in Gensokyo.

...my /jp/ can't be this full of secondaries, this is getting pathetic.

>>10245201
Those weren't youkai. Those were animals.

>>10245202
>>10245119
The Byakuren and Utsuho examples.

They should have not used spellcards at all yet they still used them.

>>10245264
Utsuho and Byakuren have spell cards because they're sixth stage bosses in a Touhou Project game.

All the incidents aren't really incidents, they're just play-pretend.

The last big incident in Gensokyo was when Remilia came.

>>10245263
What difference does it make if they aren't a youkai? They're still killing humans, and they stand a good chance of becoming youkai. Why are only they omitted from the restriction?

>>10245230
So, you must know what the rules are in order to be bound by them. Which means that you have to agree to them before having the duel, and that it is perfectly fine for you to not use the rules if you don't want to?

And then we come to the question of whether it is treated as a law, like how things are in our world. Now forgive me if I am wrong, but as far as I know there is no "law enforcement" in Gensoukyou. Reimu goes around beating people up, and that's about as far as it goes. I think there has not been a single case of a youkai that didn't quickly recover from it. And sometimes, for those of you who actually care about PC98, Reimu will also seal the youkai in question (Mima broke out of it within a month, but still). If it gets to the point of the Vampire Incident from PMiSS, sometimes the more powerful youkai will personally go deal with it.

That's about all. There is no government. It's all unofficial, and there are no real rules. You don't see Reimu going around saying "you broke the rules, prepare to be punished!" or any shit like that. In fact, she wants the youkai to attack the humans more, if WaHH chapter 9 is any indication. Also, that's the same chapter where Suika went and knocked out a bunch of people from the Myouren Temple without having any kind of duel. And Reimu really didn't care, because she said that fights between youkai don't matter to her. She has also said that she doesn't get involved if a human kills another human. Her job is to be the human side of the human vs. youkai conflict, and to ensure that the conflict continues. That is about as far as it ever goes.

>>10245277
Utsuho was being "serious" (if demented). The better argument for spellcards being somewhat implanted on Gensokyo's reality is Utsuho, Byakuren and the Taoists.

This doesn't preclude that beings stronger than Yukari (the Watatsukis) resist whatever makes people to understand spellcards at once and have to learn about them "manually". It also could be that the "instant spellcard mastery" effect is something that only occurs in Gensokyo.

>>10245314
>They're still killing humans

So do sicknesses, food poisoning, falls from high places, not to mention old age. Is your point merely that people die? Well, yeah, they do. (And most causes of death stand a good chance of becoming youkai, for that matter.) I just don't really see where you're trying to go with this, I don't believe anyone ever claimed immortality for all Gensokyans. Just a few select individuals.

>>10245321
I would also like to mention that the Watatsukis didn't need time to draw up spell cards, and that the duels commenced pretty much as soon as the rules were explained and agreed to. That's why I said, I can totally see Byakuren and the Taoists being talked into it on the spot just like the Watatsukis were.

The only argument I can see against spell card rules being totally voluntary is Utsuho, and even then, it's possible for her to be tricked into it or otherwise coerced through some method.

>>10245350
My point is merely that the spell card rules are voluntary. They are not enforced. There's no magical restriction that makes everyone play by those rules.

EoSD was the first widely known scenario where they were used. Most of the duels we have seen involved Reimu and Marisa, who have probably been spreading the rules around by challenging people according to them. It has been spreading like a fad, and by TH9 you could see the youkai running around challenging each other according to them. We've even got this footnote in Reimu's PMiSS article that further backs up the idea that it is just a fad:
>4: It appears various other rules were also considered, but as the beauty and volume of danmaku especially appealed to youkai and women, they aren't as popular.

Now, what I will admit is that most of the youkai have an understanding that the human village isn't to be slaughtered. It's an unofficial thing, but it's true that they do seem to. And the reason seems to be that they need humans in Gensoukyou in order to preserve the humans vs. youkai conflict, so they can't really afford to have all of them die out. It's the same reason why the Vampire Incident became a big deal.

>>10245390
>EoSD was the first widely known scenario where they were used. Most of the duels we have seen involved Reimu and Marisa, who have probably been spreading the rules around by challenging people according to them. It has been spreading like a fad, and by TH9 you could see the youkai running around challenging each other according to them. We've even got this footnote in Reimu's PMiSS article that further backs up the idea that it is just a fad:
You are either retarded, your memory is shitty, or you deliberately ignore parts of canon in order to piss people off.

Fad, my god.

Fuck, time to hide this thread.

I wish ZUN would be more specific so sperglords wouldn't try to distort simple and objective laws such as spellcards into their own ways of viewing.

>>10245413
I doubt you're still here, but if so, please feel free to provide any instance of them being enforced. Oh, that goes for >>10245428 too.

Gensoukyou is a carefree place where everyone seems to do things on a whim. It isn't like our world.

So we know that Yukari was the one who suggested the spellcard rules. We now also know that she employs a network of spies among humans to have everything in Human Village under control. Now, what reason do we have to assume that the network isn't Gensokyo wide? Whenever someone breaks the spellcard rules, Yukari gets a notice from some fairy informant, or one of her lesser shikigami. Then she sends Ran to deal with the offender. You don't play by the rules, you don't get played with by the rules. It's fast, clean and efficient, and law abiding citizens need not be aware of it.

It just makes sense.

These are just plotholes. ZUN's not a masterful storyteller, get over it.

>>10245314
I wasn't disagreeing with you. I don't know why I got the essay in response but okay, sure.

I have no idea why people think it's so odd for everyone to just agree on the spell card rules being a good form of conflict resolution that works for literally all parties involved.

>>10241142
>>10241240
>>10241246

Holy shit what is the name of this? Yakumo-sama being a badass ( as far as Touhou will allow anyway ) and Kasen together protecting humans and shit it's like a dream come true it could only get better if Ran,Chen, Yuyuko and Youmou appeared in it

>>10245543
>what is the name of this?

Touhou.

>>10245561

The title of the doujin asshole, no shit it's Touhou you are so funny

>>10245543
>doujin

>>10245603
>doujin
>asshole
>who am i even quoting?

>>10245603
Cage in Lunatic Runagate

>>10245543
0/10 shitty troll

This thread made me so angry that if I committed suicide right now and ended up in Gensokyo, I'd become a little girl with the power to make everyone's opinion the same as mine.

>>10241547
Yes, and the lucky ones were eaten first!

>>10241765
That's okay, in Eusokyo the Humans have a special place just for them, a special place with special handling where they get special treatment.

ITS AN OVEN

>>10245390

>I would also like to mention that the Watatsukis didn't need time to draw up spell cards, and that the duels commenced pretty much as soon as the rules were explained and agreed to. That's why I said, I can totally see Byakuren and the Taoists being talked into it on the spot just like the Watatsukis were.

Also that whole section of the manga was just not well written and clashed with the Spell Card rules established in PMiSS.

Honestly you're just trying too hard to come to solid conclusions about Touhou canon when there just isn't the material to support it. At this point you officially care more about it than the people actually writing it.

Trust me, I know, I've been to that point as well.

>>10241652
I remember reading this( and those hypocrite comments, flooding this scene)

>>10245641

Thankyou

>>10245543
>Yakumo-sama

Stopped reading there.

>>10245484
> So we know that Yukari was the one who suggested the spellcard rules.
> We now also know that she employs a network of spies among humans to have everything in Human Village under control
Now this is getting too retarded even for me. Just believe whatever you want to.

>>10245487
Basically, yep.

>>10245512
> to just agree on the spell card rules being a good form of conflict resolution that works for literally all parties involved.
Because with SC rules youkai can't kill and eat people. And we all know that this is what all youkai should do all day every day.
Derp.

>>10247673
People outside the village are still fair game, I'm pretty sure that's stated all over the testimonials on PMiSS.
Otherwise why the hell are humans so scared of youkai if they can't do any harm to them.

>>10247830
Also you can't really say the testimonials were co-wrotten by youkai to make them seem more badass or unreliable. Humans are canonically terrified of encountering a youkai even inside the village, isn't that the reason why Kourindou and the Hakurei Shrine aren't visited too often, because youkai often hang on there?

>>10247668
I was just trying to fit in... ;_;

>>10247673
>this is what all youkai should do all day every day

"Eeeh, what a pain."

>>10247830
Why are people scared of school bullies if they can't do real harm to them?

>>10247840
No, Byakuren's youkai-filled temple is popular among villagers. Reimu doesn't get visitors because she's comically bad at running the shrine.

>>10247840
> Kourindou and the Hakurei Shrine aren't visited too often, because youkai often hang on there?
It's more like "eeh, what a shady place in the middle of nowhere, why should we go there" than "omg evil youkais everywhere gonna get eaten for sure". Well, kinda like >>10247915 said. Bad reputation.