/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Has there ever been a good shooting game?

>>10180404
Call of Duty

>>10180404
Blops 2 is pretty fun.

>>10180404
Duck Hunt

>>10180428
Is it? Anything new compared to the others?

>>10180461
Loved that game. Sweet memories.

Now I am STG master!

>>10180510
Let's just say you just graduated elementary school

>>10180575
I was being serious.

>>10180575
I wasn't being serious.

>>10180510
I am impressed the only games I have 1cc on normal are IN and PoFV. Youmu eats all of my lives. It isn't even close. I still struggle with stage 4 also.

>>10180606
>Youmu eats all my lives.
>I still struggle with stage 4 also.

The same goes for me, and that one time I managed to reach final stage with a good chunk of lives I got my ass kicked because I hadn't played it often enough.

>>10180606
First half of Stage 4 boss is the easiest with Reimu and the most difficult with Sakuya. And I choose the black one for the second part.

>>10180621
>>10180510 here. The only way I was able to get through Youmu without losing too many lives was to make sure that I bombed effectively. And I also got a bit lucky. She's very difficult for me too.

>>10180665
I wish I could bomb effectively. Too many times I die with a full stock of bombs.

>>10180678
Yeah, the only times I ever manage to 1cc are when I bomb well.

>>10180686
I've gotten 1 1cc in my short time playing and it was only because I started bombing more. Currently trying for PCB but I just don't bomb enough.

IMO if you want to 1cc two of your goals should be 1. bomb well, and 2. get through the first four levels without dying.

Started the Phantasm stage. Ran's 3rd card hits me hard every time but otherwise, it goes at the slow but expected pace.

Except "Yukari's spiriting away" that I did casually pretty much without focusing, which is rare for me. That card is as much of a joke as Ran's version. Murasa's variant is definitely the best.

from the prior thread
>>10178501
your prior posts weren't about "very fine details" but rather the general condition of people talking out of their asses. and the issue, still, isn't with people having intricate knowledge but rather relevant knowledge

i didn't need to be good to figure out that sanae-b's unfocused distance shot was more powerful than her focused distance shot against all stage enemies and against boss attacks with boss movement. i simply needed to play the game and experiment. same goes for learning that you can immediately cancel an incoming boss attack in pofv if a fairy chain happens to explode on top of the boss as it enters. to my knowledge, and to the knowledge of a few people who had sunk hundreds of hours into the games in question, that information had not been previously recorded (if it was known, then it wasn't widely known, to say the least)

to brass tacks, it doesn't matter how good somebody is. what matters is that they only talk about what they know. a good parallel is that it doesn't matter if somebody is a "secondary"; what matters is that they aren't a moron or dickhead. and i use that specific analogy because you can still focus exclusively and extensively on shmup gameplay (be a "primary") and be consistently wrong and intolerable about shmups

basically what we need are more alright dudes. are you an alright enough dude to rescue the farm?

>>10180925
*ufo sanae-b

>>1018073
Bomb well includes death-bombing I suppose.


Aaaand, it's time to mess a bit with you, /jp/...

How do you guys place your fingers when playing Touhou?.

I normally use my ring finger to focus, and my index finger for shooting, as well for bombing.

When playing defensively, I shoot using my middle finger, and my index finger rests over the X key in case I need to deathbomb.


Now you'll be always aware of the position of your fingers on the keyboard when playing.

>>10180738
"Bomb well" includes death-bombing I suppose.


Aaaand, it's time to mess a bit with you, /jp/...

How do you guys place your fingers when playing Touhou?.

I normally use my ring finger to focus, and my index finger for shooting, as well for bombing.

When playing defensively, I shoot using my middle finger, and my index finger rests over the X key in case I need to deathbomb.


Now you'll be always aware of the position of your fingers on the keyboard when playing.

>>10181017
Ring finger on SHIFT for focus
Middle finger on Z to shoot
Index finger on X to bomb

Position never changes

>>10181017
>index finger for shooting, as well for bombing.
That's just seems silly.

>>10181017
Here is a fuzzy video of me playing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1WAzRUgfy4
I have my pinky on shift, ring on z, and middle on x. If necessary, I also have my pointer on c. For the arrow keys, I have my pointer on left, my middle alternating between up and down, and my ring on right. It tends to vary slightly between different games and conditions, but this is the default setup. I don't think that finger placement matters as much as comfort with that placement.

Streaming:
livestream.com/touhougameplay

>>10181119
I still can death-bomb without problems most of the time.

>>10181140
I would question why you don't use your index finger, but your achievements aren't debatable.

Has anyone else played this?

>>10181718
>LISP

>>10181017
I only use my thumb on the right.

>>10181816
Have you considered becoming an artist?

>>10181837
Thanks, I'll think about it.

>>10180925
>you can still focus exclusively and extensively on shmup gameplay (be a "primary") and be consistently wrong
Sounds like Riz.

>>10181017
Ring on Shift, middle on Z, index on X, index moves to C in games that use it.

Index on right, middle on up and down, ring on left.

Why do people like touhou is not even a good shmup compared to cave games like Dondonpachi or old school games. Yes I have played the games.

>>10182917
Because of all the secondary material.

>>10182917
>Why do people like touhou is not even a good shmup compared to cave games like Dondonpachi or old school games.
...what?

>>10182917
Cute girls, music, and different difficulty levels.

>>10182917

Even an unpopular 2hu is more loved than all the dondonpatchouli in the world

>>10182917
My shitty laptop can't handle ps2 emulation. And I of course don't have a console.

>>10182987
You can't emulate any arcade versions of games with MAME?

>>10182917
People like different things.

I play Touhou because the expectations are low.

>>10181017
I run my rebinder so F becomes Z, A becomes X, and E becomes C

Much more natural and comfortable. Can lead to hilarious results if I don't forget to restore everything to what it's supposed to be.

>>10182934
Dodonpachi has cute girls.

>>10182987
Final Burn Alpha runs even on a toaster and can play ESPGaluda, DOJ, Guwange, Ketsui and Mars Matrix. That's probably enough to keep you busy.

That said I prefer Touhou because of the streams and the whole community behind the replays, score, fangames and all.

>>10182917
Active scoreboards, mind-numbing scoring systems, streaming with friends, fellow self-loathing players, Youmu's IN shot type, etc. All the fun of Touhou.

>>10183006
Not enough secondary material.

>>10180925
I agree, for the most part. There are some players who aren't incredibly skilled, yet they're still good posters because they only talk about the things they understand.

What I hate are people who play a few credits of a game and then rush to post about how awful it is, all the while arguing with people who actually know what they're talking about. Most of their "criticisms" can be thrown aside because they're trying to blame the game for their own ineptitude. I think this is partially why so many good players don't post often; it's not worth the time or effort to argue with ignoramuses.

Any Saturday Night Livestreams?

>>10182917
But that's wrong. The best Lunatic has to offer can easily rival the midpoint of Cave's second loops/Maniac Mode, and they all take a considerable amount of effort to beat/reach.

>>10182917
It's quite simple.
Touhou is more fun to not only look at but 1CC than just about any STG I've played, except for possibly pink sweets which is marred by mindless boss milking and Yagawa's gayfuckstupid rank hardon.

>>10182917
I only like Touhou more than Cave's worst games, Donpachi and Guwange.

Oh there's the CAVEshit faggot who always tries to stirr up a shitstorm, you're a bit late to the thread this time.

>>10183418
You're acting awfully defensive. Please take it easy.

cave games are awful.

ear-raping voice clips, neon colours everywhere, trance shit music, deathsmiles piss drinks, and i cant beat the first stage.

>>10183418
It's le funi because you seem to be ``stirring it up'' thrice as hard as anyone else.

>>10183249
It's Saturday morning for me, but I'm planning on streaming later today(in a few hours) unless somebody else wants to do it.

>>10183143
>trying to blame the game for their own ineptitude

this is the literal definition of a scrub

Since Riz doesn't seem to do anything, I'll play for a bit. It'll be short and bad, as usual.
http://livestream.com/seppostream

http://www.twitch.tv/rizth

WHY I CANT FUCKING 1CC THIS UGLY PCB SHIT OH MY GOD

>>10184847
What's fucking you up? Youmu?

>>10184851
No, im passing her without much problems but i keep dying on the last stage. Im always getting to the last spellcard without lives left and that makes me mad and i rage quit.

I have yet to beat a single game on normal. Stage 4 on IN just fucks of my shit.

>>10186027
During the stage itself It's better not to stay at the bottom of the screen. At least for me, I use Reimu, Yukari.

Fuck Yeah. Took me 2 months and about 100 runs to beat her. I lost 3 lives to Subterrainean Rose but it's worth it. Now only Marisa's left.

>>10187333
Congrats, anon!

What are the best doujin shmups? Besides Crimzon Clover.

>>10187522
>>10184943

The invulnerability from bombing ended sooner than expected. Looks like I won't be getting that 1cc today either.

HEY GAÏZE HOW DO I FINISH EASY MODE THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH CONTINUES?

>>10187970
>>>/v/

I noticed on IN you can choose how many lives you have.
How many is considered acceptable to use on normal?
I only got to Marisa using 1 life.
7 seems like it would be overkill though.

>>10183522
>Soul Supermarket
>Disco 999

SAY THAT TO MY FACE GODDAMN


>>10182917
But I can get to the secret boss on DDF...

Could someone stream?

>>10188014
3 lives, ie the default settings.

>>10188025
Alright, I'll try that, thanks

>>10188016
Still no streams? Aww..

Guys, how do I shotgun the Byakuren thing where she goes around the screen with SanaeB on lunatic? Unfortunately I'm too stupid to go around the screen myself.

>>10189176
very carefully

>>10189176
sit on Byakuren, stream down, follower her. Could you really not figure this out yourself?

Learn to dodge it properly anyway. Even though you may become somewhat consistent at finishing the nonspell before she reaches the bottom of the screen, there will be the times where you don't. Also consider situations where you don't have full power.

>>10189176
>I'm too stupid to go around the screen myself

Then you fail at life, either learn how to do it or kill yourself.

Cruxis is doing his first stream: http://www.twitch.tv/cruxis_

>>10189259
I just sit on her slightly to the left, and then follow her once she starts moving. I can make/show you a replay if you want.

>>10189259
>sit on Byakuren, stream down, follower her. Could you really not figure this out yourself?
Didn't know that she doesn't have a hitbox there. I got it now. Thanks!
>>10189288
Thanks anyway.

>>10189434
Darn, I should have mentioned that. She loses her hitbox after bananas.

Could someone kindly stream?

input devices
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12815

>>10193791
Pads, really? Why is that board so shit?

Can you pacify this on Lunatic, /jp/?

I can't.

>>10193984
Yes.

>>10193984
It was a love story, but it ended instantly after he touched my hitbox.

>>10193984
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=22061

>>10193874
MrMonkeyMan plays with a pad and he's a better player than you and everyone you know.

Input device doesn't matter.

>>10194100
Go back to shmups forum idiot.

>>10194127
he he he

http://www.twitch<s>.</s>tv/rizth

It's going to be a short one.

>>10194003
Nice score, man.

perfect cherry blossom is fun and hard...


and pretty..really pretty

>>10195738
>12M
>Nice
Eh?

>>10197216
I meant your no-focus high score, hun.

>>10197219
But 1B is not really good, not on any difficulty. Especially for ReimuB Lunatic.

Please stream, /jp/

Progress! Completely went into a panic after the second non, though.

Progress! Completely went into a panic after the second non, though.

PWEase stweam /jp/!!

I finally managed to 1cc MoF on normal. Took too long, really, since I couldn't practice last stage and I always failed on the final spellcard, but when you get to final stage with 4-5 lives, you know you can do it, even if by a hair.

for all interested here is the replay.

http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=25798

thank you all for encouraging me when I wanted to give up, it's appreciated, also, this is proof that everyone, even a man with parkinson's can 1cc a touhou.

I'm looking for the real circlejerk of mediocre players who think they're hot shit. I want to go in with my piss-poor replays and have them stroke my ego.

Where do I go?

>>10198536
GJ!

I was on the edge of my seat watching the last stage

>>10198763
shrinemaiden

>>10198763
You're in the right place.

>>10197924
adamar pls stream ;_;

>>10199673

It has been too long.

twitch<s>.</s>tv/adamar09

MoF extra, probably PCB hard and extra as well. Let's do this.

>>10198763
Lunatic Red.
Gensokyo.org forums.
TV Tropes.

This thread is dead. What happened? Did everybody leave for a better place?

>>10201454
I've been waiting for a stream.

>>10201454
It's a weekday, don't expect much activity.

ageru

Could someone stream?

>>10202883
I am scared to stream because of what happened last time. There was a half-hour delay with thumbnail quality.

>>10202915
You can try.

Acceleration of suguri goes here, right?

How do I even into this? I feel just like when I first picked up a fightan gaem, just mashing buttons.

>>10202700
Your thoughts?

>>10204222
Windows Touhou games > PC-98 Touhou games

>>10204222
I only ever play space invaders.

>>10204222
I'm not a fan of HRtP but I enjoy the other PC-98 games.

http://www.twitch<s>.</s>tv/rizth

Let's hope I'm not too tired. Requests are welcome.

>>10204639
Yay your stream is much more watch able than last time.

>>10204639
I'm fine with anything as long as it's not UFO.

Can someone please post the picture with the scary clown that says "use a bomb"

>>10205044
Just for you, anon.

>>10205063
And don't forget this.

Is Ikaruga actually bad like some shmup veterans say? I'm not sure if they're just being hipsters.

Been playing Soreyuke! Burunyanman Hardcore!!! since the thread. Automatic slow mode and the guy shot type are a bit annoying but apart from that it's funny. Still can't beat the princess on easy mode though, only 2 extra lives for stage 7 is not enough, I'll have to restart from the beginning.

Is DynaMarisa 3D an STG ?

>>10205146
Nobody worth listening to will say Ikaruga is a bad game. It's a masterpiece from a design perspective, whether they like it or not.

>>10205146
It's put together very well, and it accomplishes exactly what it set out to do.

But some people aren't attracted to the idea of bullet eating, myself included. I wouldn't call it a bad game, but it's definitely not something I personally enjoy.

Could someone kindly stream some Touhou?

>>10205253
Is it a game where you shoot? If so, then yes.

>>10206287
I would but I doubt anyone would want to see endless stage 2 restarts in IN. Maybe later.

>>10206341
I wouldn't mind.

>>10206341
Yes please. I'd watch that.

>>10205146
If you're playing solely for survival yes it's a bad game, but it's a great game if you're willing to attempt scoring.

>>10206739
Chain chain ch-ch-chain chain shoot where we want you to not where you want to
Nope, I just don't hate myself enough play it for scoring
Sad days, it could be a fun game

>>10206767
it has better chaining than the Pachi games at least

>>10200018
More of the same. A short one, probably.

>>10206847
Except for Saidaioujou.

How acceptable is it to double tab in soew extra?

Post your best dodges, /jp/

>>10207287
I think it's fine as long as you say that you are doing it. There is a big distinction between having that condition and not.

>>10181017
Playing STGs with a keyboard is silly. At least get a cheap joystick.

>>10207580
SA is harder than UFO on every difficulty.

>>10207580

This is a lie. Please, no one believe him.

>>10206739
You have it the wrong way round. I'd rather commit suicide than play Ikaruga for score.

>>10207588
Why would I lie about something as serious as shmups?

>>10207584

SA is harder than UFO on Normal. For Hard, UFO is most definitely more difficult. I haven't tried playing on Lunatic, but I've heard that SA Hard and Lunatic are pretty much the same whereas UFO continues to scale up in difficulty from Normal to Lunatic, so I imagine that UFO is harder than SA on Lunatic as well.

Yeah ! I finally managed to capture Descent of Izuna Gongen and Kokkuri san's contract !! (;u;)
(though i already captured boundary of life and death,)

I killed Ran! I beat the final card losing only a life and a bomb while seeing it for the first time!

I didn't feel any satisfaction though. That sucks.

>>10207698
Because Ran is easy mode. Yukari is the normal extra.

>>10207712
Indeed... but I found Izuna Gongen harder than Life and Death... well Yukari's arcanum is always my demise... although i cleared with all character, i couldn't manage even once to avoid more than 3 pattern...

>>10207588
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=12815

Anyone else find games that use four buttons like Fairy Wars are pretty tough on the hand? After about half an hour I had to take a break due to stiffness up to my wrist.

>>10207878
X, O, R1, L1.

>>10207834
icyclam is actually right for one, what the hell

>>10207878
haven't touched it much, but it was indeed quite hard to take in hand when i did...

>>10207895
icycalm is always right, but people only ever admit it in hindsight.

>>10207878
This only happened to me at the beginning, after a while you get used to it.

>>10207197
Sadly I have no access to it until the port comes out, so I'll have to take your word for it.

>>10207589
then please do :)

I just can't capture Kogasa's last spellcard on UFO (Monster Sign "A Forgotten Umbrella's Night Train" )
Anyone got any tips

what's the annoying bitch that keeps requesting streams like an infantile autist??

>>10208193
dunno????????

>>10208230
It's what /jp/ is all about.

>>10208317
Unnacceptabru.

I finally cleared PCB!

Going to work on 1CC'ing it now

>>10208374
anon...plz...use spoilers, im eating...

>>10205215
>Automatic slow mode

Maybe you should try playing on hard brah. Thats literally the only difference from normal mode.

>>10208374
Could you please refrain from posting such filth?

>>10208387
Eat shit faggot~ ^^

>>10208374
>cleared
Whatever you have to tell yourself so you can sleep during the day.

There are only two times when continuing is ok.
1. It is your first time playing a game and you need to unlock stage practice.
2. You are very drunk.

>>10208460
Stage practice is not ok. Whoever told you it was lied.

>>10208182
Are you playing on Easy or Normal?

>>10208467
(Drunk addendum applies of course).

>>10208460
This. The correct way to play arcade-style games is to restart whenever you lose all of your lives. No continues.

>>10208568
The best players will use continues to practice later sections if they must.

>>10208782
No "good" player of video games in generals plays the same ones over and over again once they've beaten them.

>>10208801
You are making a fool of yourself.

>>10208812
If they're continuing so they can 1cc it more quickly then that's even worse, ruining the game.

>>10208801
......I'm speechless. I am without speech.

>>10208801
What? Do you mean games like call of duty or halo or something?

>>10208844
Naught more sad than misplaced elitism from the mentally stunted. Enjoy your shitty doujin scoring system.

>>10208782

>>10208568 here. >>10208801 is not me.

My post about not using continues was in regard to trying to 1CC the game, not play for score or something. If you are trying to 1CC a game it will only hurt you to use continues. Once you move past that practicing is fine.

Glad to see my system11 linking paying off.

Oh god damn it. Are you serious.

>>10208984
It seems you've run into a bullet
Are you having troubles?

>>10208984

>>10209000

>>10180510
Did IN too last night. Now I just need to 1CC EoSD.

>>10207584
ufo lunatic has wet dreams of being as difficult as sa easy

>>10208467
but of course. stage practice goes against bushido

You guys should have a pastebin in the OP or something. Also, playing with a character with homing shots is a good way to learn the basics.

>>10209051
Playing with a character with homing shots is a good way to set yourself back about 6 months.

>>10209066
How is that so? If you play homing, you can learn the basics of finding holes in patterns.

>>10209078
It's the same reason why starting off on easy is pointless. You're learning about 10% of the skills necessary for actually playing and enjoying the good parts of the games (read: the parts where there's tonnes of beautiful bullets on the screen going hella' fast) and all you're doing is putting a load of filler in between those parts. You don't learn how to put yourself in exactly the right spot. You don't learn when to leave an enemy go when playing for survival. I say start off an hard with Marisa in IN. It'll be difficult, but at least you won't be able to complain about IN being too easy.

Finding holes in patterns isn't even that difficult anyway. It's getting yourself in the fucking holes that you find, and if you're spoiling yourself for choice, then you're slowing down how fast you'll learn how to play and enjoy shmups in general.

>>10209078
Homing shots will destroy potential enemies that would otherwise shoot, making stages easier. You won't know what to do with a shot that doesn't have any spread though.

Since explaining might not sound very convincing, try IN Lunatic with solo Alice. While she can kill bosses about as well as the border team, you will have to use bombs unless you know the stages.

>>10209066
Not at all. It makes it a bit easier, but in no way is it going to set anyone back 6 months. Besides, homing shots are often an annoyance when it comes to scoring.

>>10209096
>While she can kill bosses about as well as the border team
Nope, she's still shitty on bosses. The only redeeming factor of Magic team is the cannon.

>>10209117
>Besides, homing shots are often an annoyance when it comes to scoring.
Well, yeah, that's the point.

>>10209136
I can't help but feel that ZUN had an off-day when he designed that pattern. Like he just didn't bother to make it look pretty and threw out a tonne of mis-matched fucking bullets.

>>10209146
At least it's somewhat interesting to dodge.

>>10209150
I'd post the "why not have both" image if I wouldn't feel guilty about it later.

>>10209096
>>10209094
But I'm nowhere near that decent yet. My goal now is basically trying to 1cc most of the games in the series so I can get to know the world better...

>>10209146
Reimu's up past her bedtime and cranky so she's just going to throw shit at you until you go away.

>>10209146
What's the point of making claustrophobic spellcards like that look pretty? It's not like you're going to take your eyes away from anything within a few dozen pixels of your character.

>>10209181
What's the point in not just having the entire game be hitboxes and have no cute girls?

>>10209187
That's what I genuinely wonder, too. Has anyone made a mod to remove all the flashes and extra visual fluff and just leave hitboxes of bullets, bosses and your player? It would be pretty interesting to see how much of a difference it makes.

>>10209200
The difference would be that I wouldn't want to play it.

>>10208469
For now, Easy. Normal applies as well, but to a lesser extend.
I could just bomb the darned thing, but that's no fun. Then again, losing two lives to a single card isn't either

>>10209012
Is it just me or is Stage 5 a lot easier than Stage 4 on IN? I died several times to Marisa but only once to Reisen, and that was just a really bad fuck-up on my part.

>>10209379
I find stage 4 Marisa easier than stage Reisen. Reimu on the other hand..

>>10207878
I just have to get used to it.
>>10208182
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=24431
Switch between the side and lure away Kogasa's red bullets.
>>10209051
We have this: http://pastebin.com/VQCXzQMv
Also, I agree.
>>10209200
There is a mod similar to this, but I can't find it right now.
>>10209379
I agree.

>>10209366
Well you see, the thing is that specific spellcard is actually much harder on easy than on normal.

>>10209379
This is completely true in PCB too. That damn 4th stage...

>>10209379
Complete opposite here. I can pass Reimu with almost no trouble whatsoever, yet I can't beat Reisen for the life of me

guys, how to I mind games?

>>10209366
Well here's a replay, just put it your replay folder and skip to the last part.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=25842
It's kinda difficult to explain, you need to move a lot to the left and right to misdirect the red stuff and also to make sure you don't get hit from below.
But like I said, it's a lot easier on Normal.

Really happy about this run.

>>10210082
That's pretty nice.

Could someone kindly stream?

>>10210082
Good job.

>>10209200
No but try some of these, they're probably the closest thing to what you're looking for.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9MhBc26NBE
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qmh1Mvi9_FU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCr2PNGluqA

Any Friday Night streams? I could use one.

>>10211924
I'd like a stream as well!

>>10212606
me three ;)

>>10211924
>>10212606
>>10212630
why don't 1 of you 3 stream so the other 2 can watch, that way you can stop shitting up the thread with stream requests.

Please, please stream.

>>10212773
strm pls

>>10212773
why dont U stream nerdlord

>>10212937
le sage xd

>>10212773
plz strweam!!

>>10210082
twitch<s>.</s>tv/waahst

Going to try getting 1.7b. Don't expect too much, just restarts.

What am i doing wrong /jp/? I can't download any replay like this.

>>10214237
Right click on the link and choose "save link as." Save it to your replay folder as a .rpy file.

>>10214269
Oh i got it, thank you very much

Is there some trick to this damn non-spell card? It just seems really random. Sometimes the bullets just completely surround you.

>>10214537
Pay attention to Yamame's movement, specifically when she moves down.

>>10214537
Hope.

>>10213777
You're a terrible player.

>>10214629
As expected. Thanks!

why toho harder on easy than it is on lunatic??

>>10214537
If she moves down, bomb or make a large movement to avoid the bullets from closing in. If she's at level or moves up, stream the red bullets in one direction while avoiding the blue ones.

>4/68
Why is this card so hard ? I die every time Wriggle moves near the top of the screen.

test

>>10215435
I've had decent luck dodging it all from the bottom. I never even considered getting close.

>>10215455
Staying at the bottom can only get me 400 time orbs but spinning near Wriggle can get me 1800 time orbs.

Forgot the replay: http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=25876
I only did it halfass though.

>>10215471
You could try being a little off on her side before she shoots, but I'm not sure just how many orbs you can get for that.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=25877

>>10215471
Depending on the rotation of the spiral, start from either her left or right, and you'll always be safe, since the spiral will only rotate around at 180 degrees at most. Also be sure to graze the inside of the ring for more time.

>>10215435
>>10215471
Doesn't seem hard at all to me. What exactly are you having trouble with?
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=25878

Oops, just noticed you were doing Normal instead of Hard, but they're pretty much exactly the same when you do it next to her anyways so whatevs.

Mikkey please come back. ;_;

>>10215520
>>10215525
Ah, staying at left/right of Wriggle does help. Now i can move to Mystia. My goal is 3 billions points for solo Youmu Normal.

>>10215709
I wish you success in your endeavors.

>>10215589
replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=25870

>>10216094
Yay! My weekend is made!

Please stream, /jp/.

>>10216115
Aww. I don't think I've ever felt that appreciated here before. Thanks! A break was really all I needed.

>>10216159
Please stream, Mikkey

>>10200018

Same again. One hour, perhaps.

This part keeps making me loose NMNB runs. More specifically, the transition between one Suwako and two makes me lose my grip. Other than that, I bet that I could do this consistently.

This part keeps making me lose NMNB runs. More specifically, the transition between one Suwako and two makes me lose my grip. Other than that, I bet that I could do this consistently. I just need to practice.

>>10216849
Maybe you should stream as you practice?

>>10216849
Just watch a replay, there's no dodging required in that survival.

>>10216935
I'm not in a good mood today. Maybe tomorrow.

>>10216935
I'm not in a good mood today. Maybe tomorrow.
>>10217069
I did, but I didn't get it immediately. I guess that I just need to watch another.

>>10216849
http://youtu.be/C6lv43nfW3E

>>10216849
Actually, this video has the best (and easiest) demonstration of a capture in my opinion:
youtube.com/watch?v=qwX2CG9SePM

Streaming for a bit:
livestream.com/touhougameplay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xew7EoiNkWY

I need an xbox

Do people really enjoy playing Ten Desires with Youmu or are they doing that solely because they imagine that that makes them better than the other players?

>>10219842
Youmu is objectively the best shot in TD.

>Do people really enjoy playing Ten Desires

>>10219842
People really enjoy playing Ten Desires with Youmu.

>>10219842

I like Youmu because she's interesting and tailored to my play style. I also liked Fairy Wars a lot so that helps.

>>10219842
She's fun to play with because she's very different.

Please stream, /jp/

>>10219842
I like Youmu because she is the most powerful character in TD and she can get highest score.

Youmu is also the best character for scoring in IN. Youmu swags all over place wherever she goes.

>>10200018
Same as it ever was.

Streaming some MoF and stuff: twitch<s>.</s>tv/adamar09

Streaming: http://www.twitch<s>.</s>tv/rizth

I linked the wrong stream. Embarrassing.

Please stream, /jp/.

One day I'm going to make it to Youmu without continuing.

But not today.

>>10224552
Don't play with Sakuya. The Primsriver you get is the hardest.

>>10224643
Only the more reason to play as Suckuya.

For fucks sake, I know can safely get 2.6B if I manage to pull a no-death run with the route I have now. It all went downhill when nervousness kicked in causing me to die once the 4th non-spell, and the snowball effect was in full swing causing me to fuck on every subsequent spell, multiple times. I need a way to control my nervousness, I'll get nowhere like this.

Why is SA so fucking hard? I can get to around the middle of level 5 on Normal before having to use a continue, so I'll think I'll be able to 1CC it eventually, but fuck. Shit is hard.

>>10226175
Press X.

>>10226183
Thanks for the tip.

>>10226175
When you realize SA is just endless streaming, it will become easy.

What are some shmups with good scoring systems?

>>10226586
None of them
The second you fall for the play for score trap you stop playing the game and start playing the scoring system.
Fill up them bags with boss milk.
Don't attack.
Skip patterns.
I could set up a really cool excel spreadsheet for you to play around in if all you want's numbers to go up.

>>10226586
Raiden Fighters
Battle Garegga
Batrider
Under Defeat
Ikaruga
Psyvariar
Mars Matrix
Giga Wing
Crimzon Clover
Dragon Blaze

Everything from Cave, minus:
Guwange
Esprade
Mushihimesama
Pink Sweets

>>10226588
Playing for survival is boring unless you're playing the absolute hardest games.

The beauty about complex scoring systems is how you can make the game as hard as you want. Even easy games like Deathsmiles can get incredibly difficult if you're trying to score well.

>>10226626
>you can make the game as hard as you want
This is called bad game design if a sane person has to put down specific rules in order to make the game what he wants.

>>10226635
No, it's called excellent game design because it allows casuals (survival players) to beat the game while letting the hardcore (scorers) to *play* the game.

>>10226635
No, it's called excellent game design because it allows casuals (survival players) to beat the game while letting the hardcore (scorers) *play* the game.

>>10226649
Indeed. It's excellent game design, not excellent achievement design. You keep playing because you're having fun, not because you have to reach the next story chapter or gain another level.

>>10226635
like no bomb/ufo/focus etc :D

>>10226799
That is similar, but those are arbitrary, player-defined challenges. Scoring systems are built into the game by the game developers - they're meant to be played in that fashion.

It's just like playing a sport. Some people would rather play by their own rules, but the games were meant to be played in certain ways.

>>10226586
Speaking of scoring systems, I tried to think of the most retarded one ever:

You have a primary attack that deals good damage, and a secondary attack that deals little damage and tags enemies.

Enemies at 0 health don't shoot, but won't die unless they're also tagged. When an enemy dies, it explodes, releases point items based on tag value, and deals small damage plus tagging to surrounding enemies.

The value of a tag increases every time it jumps to another enemy, and you yourself can be tagged. If the value is higher than your current weapon power, it sets their power to that value.

>>10227035
I think there should be an STG where your secondary attack is a hook that will bring in enemies and attach them to your ship temporarily in a line, like a whip, and it can be controlled like Castlevania whip by using a second joystick; and each enemy attached to your whip gives you a higher score multiplier for however many enemies you kill with it. But after an amount of time passes each enemy on your whip will explode and kill you if you are near it, so you have another button to release them which you'll have to time correctly.

>>10227143
Triggerheart Exelica is similar

>>10226626
I used to think like you. But wouldn't it be better if the game was just naturally difficult and you didn't have to make your own fun?

>>10227664
Isn't that why games have several difficulties and/or re-releases with difficulty tweaks? People will still play for score on "naturally difficult" games no matter what. That's what they want to do.

>>10227682
I'd prefer to play a game where the complex scoring mechanics are part of the game, and there is no number in the top left or right. I do play for score sometimes if the game suits it. Mars Matrix for score is way more fun than Mars Matrix for survival. I just wish I had to "score" to survive in it.

>>10227697
Limiting the number of ways a person can play does not make a game better. Forced scoring doesn't benefit anyone.

Would someone please stream?

>>10227808
Then why aren't the easiest games the most fun? Difficulty naturally limits the number of ways a person can play.

>>10227831
>Then why aren't the easiest games the most fun?
The same reason that games that are only blisteringly difficult aren't fun.

People play for different reasons. What appeals to one person won't always appeal to another. Forcing scoring will turn away those that don't want to score, have negligible effect on those that already like to play for score, and only benefits those that aren't self motivated enough to score without the game making them.

>>10227831
Some easy games have my favorite scoring systems, so they are the most fun. And some hard games have awful scoring systems, so I don't have any fun playing them.

It'll take months of effort to do well at either type of game, so you might as well play whatever has your favorite scoring system.

Please stream, /jp/.

>>10227664
>But wouldn't it be better if the game was just naturally difficult and you didn't have to make your own fun?
This is what I'm aiming for in my own game. I want it to be as hard(fun) as LNBNV, but without the handicaps. Even so, there might be issues with this. It's not the same game, and the handicaps are part of what I like about it. I like that there is a standard and challenging way to do everything. I don't see it as making custom challenges as much as trying to improve with the existing one. You can't change the game, but you can change how you play it. I'd have to agree with was some of the previous posters in this thread have said. Making a really hard game has its merits, but it also limits what you can do with it, which also turns some people off. Good game design will focus on being able to play the game the way you want it. Even with UFO, I have not played a lot of challenges that can be done with it. There's just so much to do that I can be occupied for ages.

>>10228155
>>10213777
Not feeling very confident and it's late, so please don't expect a single run to be completed.

>>10228289
What kind of gimmicky shit is your game gonna have.

>>10228639

New thread.