/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Nice image OP.

I'll play for a few minutes

24.30.183.184:10800

US West, Shit Tier practicing random touhous

71.237.108.181:10800

US west/central, continental divide.

>>10079788
Good games. 1:00 gonna go now. Still don't know who I like to start practicing them.

71.237.108.181:10800

US west/central, continental divide.

74.58.46.83:10800
East Coast

189.174.30.83:10800
North-West Mexico.
Hard tier.

>>10080431
gg, i reallly suck at fightan games

>>10080509
It's alright, you tried.
Thank you for playing.

24.30.183.184:10800

U.S. West, Shit Tier. Playing til maybe 4PM PST

>>10080322
fucking typhoon. oh well i need to get to dinner. gg

>>10080577
Thanks for the games.

>>10080431
Rehosting

>>10080562
Wrong thread?
Check the box to the left of the name field, then click 'delete' at the bottom right of the page.

>>10080717
Thanks for playing. I'll be back later tonight.

> still using that OP

at least replace the pirate bay torrents and add the DDL

http://pastebin.com/NuX3tQKn

>>10080934
who are you quoting noob

I keep getting raped in the corner. What do I do when I'm trapped?

>>10081088
Would 22C work?

>>10081088
Border escape.

>>10081094
What character are we talking about here?

>>10081088
It depends.

In a broad sense, you should try to escape by either high jumping out, chicken blocking, grazing forward, using some kind of reversal, or Border Escaping.

Knowing which option to pick depends on a bunch of things. Who are you fighting? What are his options? How is he playing?

If you're playing someone way better than you and he's just crushing you over and over, there's a good chance his pressure isn't as good as it seems, has an easy escape point, and he's just using it because you're letting him, since you don't know how to beat it.

Start off by trying to find a point where you think he's going to throw bullets, and high jump out, or graze out.

>>10080551
Are you off?

>>10081300
I can host for ~10-20 minutes.
24.30.183.184:10800

Wonder who I should practice.

>>10081317
Sorry about the delays between games, Crime. Don't know why that happens. Good games. I'll host again in like two hours.

>>10081317
Thanks! It was a good game.

bump

80.39.206.55:10800

Region: Spain, Europe (Though I have fiber so Murrikans can try).

Old shitty book tier.

>>10084460

will not stay too much time...

>>10084460

eehmm...

hosting again... seems like I messed up the confoguration

I guess i'll play a few too

108.212.78.209:10800
U.S. West ~ just playan for fun.

67.83.83.147:10800 US East

71.61.153.198:10800 east

189.186.219.60:10800
North-West Mexico

>>10085791
ggs to whoever played against me

>>10086002
>>10085791
also, unhosting

How do you guys think 13.5 is going to turn out?

I think the all-aerial approach is interesting.

>>10085949
Thanks for hosting

>>10085949
Are you still hosting?

>>10086297
Sorry, maybe in a while.
My brother is watching youtube videos right now.

108.212.78.209:10800 us west

>>10086081
Extremely skeptical, hopes low. Looks terrible.

Still gonna give it a fair chance, but I am not expecting much.

>>10086081
Air footsies!

>>10086081
Personally, I feel it's gimmickey.
But then again, If way back when someone had told me there would be card game shoot em up fighing game, I would have told them it sounded stupid.
So, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt I guess.

>>10087288
It certainly sounds less gimmicky than getting a random typhoon ruining your day.

>>10085269

>>10087756
GGs, sorry for short set, something came up.

>>10080431
Rehosting

>>10088098
Thanks! But now my brother claims his turn in the computer.

80.39.206.55:10800

Hosting for some time...

Region: Spain, Europe... but Murrikans can try.

Old Shitty Book Tier.

>>10089217

bump ;_;

>>10089217

bump again ;_;

>>10089217
Come to the irc dude, thare are no EUs left in /jp/

Anyone wants to play?

>>10091242
I'll try

201.184.211.19:10800
South america
Somewhat bad tier

>>10080431
Rehosting

76.104.22.21:10800

USA East Coast
Not very good :/

>>10093187
That was my first time ever playing online. Didn't realize I sucked so much...

>>10093187
Thank you for playing, profile1p.

>>10093344
lol I gotta change that

>>10093343
This is always how it goes in fighting games for first time online. Don't beat yourself up over it.

Keep at it!

>be irc player
>stalk new players on /jp/
>wonder why no one plays game

98.216.245.243:10800

Newbie tier

>>10093381
Everyone gets their shit kicked in when they play a new game for the first time.

>>10093381
A good player is not necessarily an IRCfag lurking these threads to pick on easy prey.
SWR is an old game. Some people have been playing it since it came out, and have been playing /jp/ since it came out. There's going to be a difference in skill level.

Also GGs Kemo.

>>10093539
It isn´t working.

>>10093549
Can you try hosting instead?

>>10093563
189.250.200.14:10800

>>10093542
Who it is or why they're good at the game is irrelevant. The issue is that other parties are initiating matches of very inbalanced skill levels, resulting in one-sided enjoyment, which is very bad sportsmanship. These people are representative of their community, and their actions read clearly to new comers as "This is a community of unsportsmanlike, self-centered douchebags, and you're better off not investing copious amounts of time into getting better at something which is very clearly dying due to the aforementioned douchebags.

>>10093574
Strange. Your adress isn't working either...

>>10093606
If you had forwarded it, you would know.

>>10093600
How can I know if 10800 is the good one?

>>10093603
>Unsportsmanlike, self-centered douchebag
Because someone joined your host and was better than you? Really? That's all it takes to you?

Very well. If it'll make you happy, I'll stick to hosting, and indicate clearly that I'm not a new player.

One thing though:
>resulting in one-sided enjoyment
Not always the case. It can get very boring to win effortlessly, which is why sets are short when there is an imbalance in skill, and not everyone loathes playing better players. I've been a shit player, I've played people way above me, it was enjoyable still.

192.168.1.150:10800

Let's try this again

>>10093716
This is not your IP.
Try http://www.whatismyip.com/, see what pops up.

>>10093716
you people always forget numbers

>>10093740
Whoops.
Try

98.216.245.243:10800
(It didn't work last time)

>>10093603
This is only true if you're not able to have fun losing. Plenty of people play on lunatic even though they can't hit stage four even on a good day. Not everybody derives enjoyment solely from winning.

If you're not having fun, rehost. Nobody is forcing you to play matches with the same person. Newcomers who think that better players are douchebags for winning every game are retards who are better off not paying the game anyway.

174.0.48.215:10800
Hostan Canadia
Been playing on /jp/ since the game came out tier
Open to all skill levels

>>10093711
Are you going to change your profile name back to Icekin, too?

>>10093711
I haven't played the multiplayer in this at all.

>>10093775
See above.

>>10093807
>See above. (I haven't played the multiplayer in this at all.)
Then just replace "you" with "a person." The point remains the same.

>>10093823
What's your point, then? That you're upset?

someone in south america?
leave your IP

>>10093802
No.
It's cute how you've been dropping that line, or variations of it, in previous threads and now this one too. I would ask "What are you trying to get at?", but it's pretty obvious.

>>10093843
>lel u mad? xDD
I think we're done here.

>>10093799
Haha! Good games, nametoosmalltoread. Icekin was it? If it really was you its been a really long time, and some hilarious matches. Sorry to cut it short but something came up. Thanks for joining!

>>10093973
Whoever you played wasn't me. I use the profiles Icekin and Lucied, no other.

>>10093843
>What's your point, then?
I stated my point in >>10093775, in which I disagreed with your take and explained why. You have yet to offer any sort of relevant response besides something along the lines of "are you upset?"

To be honest, yes, retarded posters and shitty trolls do often upset me.

>>10094024
Nevermind then

>>10093711
>Because someone joined your host and was better than you? Really? That's all it takes to you?
>Very well. If it'll make you happy, I'll stick to hosting, and indicate clearly that I'm not a new player.
I'm not him, but that's not the point. The point is that there is literally no reason for someone who's been playing the game for 3 years (since it came out) to be playing someone new to the game. They aren't gonna learn shit, and it's just gonna discourage them from playing, resulting in a dying scene.

>>10093758
GG's Tes.

Tessiro here. Good games man, that was fun

>>10094156
Inaccurate. New players can learn plenty from experienced players in matches through mimicry and reviewing their own replays afterwards to learn what they did wrong/should do differently. Any new player that comes in, gets drove, and then complains about fighting someone more experienced wasn't planning to learn the game to begin with or just wanted an easy win to justified their meager AI-trained skills (which the AI teaches nothing but spamming projectiles that only gets you roflstomped online to begin with, no matter the level).

BTW, not same dude, another one of those "from the beginning" players who can attest to losing more than winning before getting better. Just take them and keep moving.

>>10094941
You're still wrong. Yes you can learn from losing, but only to a certain extent. If I just started playing AE, and you put me against someone like Mago or Poongko, I'm not going to learn anything because I'm gonna get destroyed so hard as the skill level is far too wide and I'm not going to know what I did wrong.

>>10095754
If the skill differential is so large that your opponent baits all your reversals, predicts or shoves you into the corner whenever you try to high-jump or border escape, and changes up his blockstring so that you fail at rightblocking to the point where you can be corner crushed in two seconds, then yes, you aren't going to learn anything.

But most people aren't losing anywhere near that badly. You can learn from your losses as long as when something goes wrong in the game, you recognize what went wrong and recognize what you should have done instead.

>>10095784
>You can learn from your losses as long as when something goes wrong in the game, you recognize what went wrong and recognize what you should have done instead.

My point is that even if you do know what you did "wrong", even changing up what you did STILL won't work because as I said earlier, the gap is much too wide, and all it does is discourage people from playing your game. I'm not saying to throw games for the sake of their ego, but what I am saying is that there is no point in someone from the IRC for example connecting to someone who openly says he's a new player and bad at the game; he isn't going to learn anything and he'll probably drop the game since he feels he isn't getting anywhere with it no matter how hard he tries (and he isn't, even if he "learns" from his mistakes he'll still lose horribly). Contrary to what you believe, people like having the sense of progression, and they won't get that by immediately playing the elite, all they get is a sense of frustration while getting roflstomped into the ground.

There are more things to be taken in consideration.
Consider the newcomer who is going to fight the high skiller player. What makes it give up or learn is not actually the gap between the two players, is the dedication within him. How much energy he is willing to spend trying to make his way into the game. How much fun he is having. His interest in winning or getting better at the game. Of course things like the difference in the skill level matters. You feel more motivated if you have a chance of winning that is attainable by hard work, but LUNATIC work just to gain one round is indeed less motivating. However, it's not just the gap that matters.
My first online match was with the champion of my country. Of course we people here are not as skilled as some other places, but we're not bad either. Which means I was not beaten, I was raped. I never lost my interest, though. I kept practicing and playing with people with different skill levels, and the one I played the most was another player who actually later won a tourney too.
My point is clouded, though. I think that restricting players to only play others with similar skill could limit the players' potential and even make it boring. If the difference is too high, then it's up to the player if he will continue or not.
(someone mentioned Mago and Poongko, haha I think that this gap could not possibly be achieved in the hisoutensoku community)

>>10093886
>>10094022
No, really, your point just seems to be "I'm upset." I'm not trying to be an asshat here, that genuinely seems to be the only thing you're trying to convey.

Your central point can't be that you enjoy yourself, as that doesn't conflict with mine. In fact, neither of you have any point which conflicts with mine other than "I disagree and am angry because of it." It seems like both of you see yourselves as the "Unsportsmanlike, self-centered douchebag" I described, and take offense at that. Concerning that reaction, I can only say that your own identifying of yourself as a douchebag is enough justification for me calling you one, albeit indirectly.

>>10096782
>I'm not trying to be an asshat here, that genuinely seems to be the only thing you're trying to convey.
I stated my point in >>10093775, in which I disagreed with your take and explained why. You have yet to offer any sort of relevant response.

>>10096782
>I'm not trying to be an asshat here, that genuinely seems to be the only thing you're trying to convey.
I stated my point in >>10093775, in which I disagreed with your take and explained why. You have yet to offer any sort of relevant response. "You are an upset, unsportsmanlike self-centered douchebag who hasn't made any points so far" hardly qualifies.

>I'm not trying to be an asshat here
Then you're either retarded or just socially retarded, as you're doing a splendid job of coming off as one.

>>10096008
Is this a joke?

Other people being unsportsmanlike -> You learn anyway -> Treat other people with the same lack of sportsmanship and expect them to learn anyway, like you did

Central flaw: Other people are not you. You're projecting yourself onto other players and being overly critical of them when your and their conditions are very unlikely to be the same and, what's more, you could not possibly know that the conditions are the same. You're making a baseless assumption that other players should be able to keep playing and improve, strengthening the community. That this is flawed is apparent, as the community is very small and still dying.

>>10096804
It's your responsibility to restate your point if I express in any manner, implied or explicit, that I don't understand it.

Failure to do so is a failure to cooperate in the argument and gives the opponent justified incentive to cease the argument immediately, as your participation in conveying your point is critical to the progression of the argument, and your refusal is the broadcasting of your unwillingness to participate in a reasonable manner.

If my response is inadequate to you, then my position is that you have failed to demonstrate your point, and I ask that you restate it.

>>10096838
>It's your responsibility to restate your point if I express in any manner, implied or explicit, that I don't understand it.
I expect you to be able to scroll up, and read my post, >>10093775.

>If my response is inadequate to you, then my position is that you have failed to demonstrate your point, and I ask that you restate it.
Since you're evidently too fucking stupid to do that, I'll repaste exactly what I wrote here:

"This is only true if you're not able to have fun losing. Plenty of people play on lunatic even though they can't hit stage four even on a good day. Not everybody derives enjoyment solely from winning. If you're not having fun, rehost. Nobody is forcing you to play matches with the same person. Newcomers who think that better players are douchebags for winning every game are retards who are better off not paying the game anyway."

less dumb shit more hosting

>>10096847
Repeating what you've already said verbatim is not re-stating your point. I still can't understand what your point is.

It seems to be that your argument is that it's justified to treat new players with unsportsmanlike behavior. Whether or not this is true is irrelevant, as my point is that you're killing your own community with your unsportsmanlike behavior. Justification is irrelevant.

Moreover, what you copied and paste doesn't even begin to express this point in even a vague way.

You've very poorly conveyed in >>10093775 that:
1. You believe that new players have adequate reason to continue playing, as even getting treated with unsportsmanlike behavior does not necessarily impede their enjoyment of the game or the development of their skill level.
2. If a new player does not enjoy the match their in, they should find a different match, as they are putting themselves in a position that they are ill-content with.
3. New players who do not like how other, more experienced players act, are retarded and should not play the game anyway.

Refute:
1. A lack of negative does not equate to a positive. 0=< is not equal to 0<. Even if other players are not necessarily impeding their enjoyment or progression, that does not mean that the community is conducive to said enjoyment or progression, which does not encourage their participation in said community.
2. This advice discourages new players from participating in the game's community, and directly argues for my point.
3. This is not an argument, but a direct attack against new players.

>>10096847
You could never even possibly begin to understand why you are wrong. Just fuck off.

>>10096935
>Repeating what you've already said verbatim is not re-stating your point.
It was not necessary at all to reword it as you had not responded to it at all, other than with an entirely irrelevant comment about never having played online.

>It seems to be that your argument is that it's justified to treat new players with unsportsmanlike behavior.
Your spectacular idiocy is blinding you to the very obvious point I made.

Instead of making up your own words to put in my mouth such as "I'm angry" and "I'm a self-centered douchebag," you could try responding to what I actually said. Which you, five or six posts later, have failed to address. At all.

You said: "The issue is that other parties are initiating matches of very inbalanced skill levels, resulting in one-sided enjoyment, which is very bad sportsmanship."
What I said, as a response, was, "[Your premise, that games with imbalanced skill levels are inherently unenjoyable,] is only true if you're [or, rather, the loser in this case is] not able to have fun losing. Plenty of people play on lunatic even though they can't hit stage four even on a good day. Not everybody derives enjoyment solely from winning."

And your premise of "very bad sportsmanship" was based on the premise that these games involved only one-sided enjoyment, which I had contested. You chose, of course, to ignore the fact that I had challenged it, assumed your own position as fact as if I had never contested it at all, and proceeded to label me as an angry and upset unsportsmanlike self-centered douchebag.

>>10096935
You're expecting too much from your average 4chan poster. As they say, they cannot into logic.
Polite sage.

>>10097019
>>10096935
(cont.)
>2. This advice discourages new players from participating in the game's community, and directly argues for my point.
If you rehost, you probably will end up playing with another member of the "/jp/ soku community," your few losses notwithstanding.

>3. This is not an argument, but a direct attack against new players.
That last statement was not, in fact, an argument. Neither was it an argument when you called me an upset douchebag, nor is the following statement supposed to be an argument. Unless you are seriously socially retarded or suffer from some sort of autism spectrum disorder, you're a phenomenal cunt.

>>10096943
>You could never even possibly begin to understand why you are wrong. Just fuck off.
While we're offering advice to each other, I suggest that you kill yourself.

>>10097025
Super duper rude sage, you passive-aggressive cocksucker.

I love reading angry internet arguments. please keep going

>>10096838
No, it's not a joke.
I understand what you are saying, believe me. And I am grateful for the civilized discussion. I didn't want to sound like I was projecting into other people. I am very much aware that every one is different, and like you said, I can't know if the conditions are the same. I just meant to say that this is not an absolute thing, not everyone who is treated in this "unsportsmanlike" is going to give up. I just used myself as an example to prove that not everyone think of it as a "unsportsmanlike" attitude. If I didn't suddenly realize that I was a lot stronger by playing with more skilled players, I doubt I'd ever gotten so interested in this game. But calm down, I understand that this can be devastating to some other people. So I didn't actually thought of a solution to this, just talked about what I think.
My other point, though, is that just limiting ourselves to only play with people with similar skills would make things boring, repetitive, and it would be harder to progress. If we stop looking at what we could've been and look at what we are now, we should notice there aren't that many people available to start choosing who to battle.
You don't need to reply if you don't want or if you lose your patience. You sound like you're getting too much invested at this, and I'm not intelligent or knowledgeable enough to keep up with the discussion, so I'll keep myself from saying more. What we all want is the same thing, to see more players and have fun.

In this thread, as far as I can tell, a very skilled player joined a game with a listed IP and no other information, and the host of that game turned out to have been playing his first online matches after the fact.

I don't see a conspiracy of elite players to jump on hosts who have openly advertised themselves as being new or unskilled players.

So why did the thread devolve into a shitstorm?

>>10097097
>implying playing stronger players is the only way to 'progress'
>implying everyone cares about progression
>telling people to play other players while at the same time stating the lack of said players

Why you kids complaining so much? Lets play.

69.112.81.100:7501 Easy Coast

>>10097019
>>10097038
As you have yet to even attempt to state your point when I've made it abundantly clear that I don't confidently understand it, I'm finished with this argument. You're becoming increasingly belligerent, and I believe this is because you understand that you're wrong but are unwilling to admit it. It's my hope that this is due to your own ago, and that you'll come to realize later that you need to treat new players with respect. I enjoy this game and would like its community to become something I and many other people would be a part of.

>>10097025
I'd have to agree.

>>10097097
With any game, new players lack confidence in their place in the community they're putting themselves in. Ideally, these players would come to realize that they do have a place, and be self-motivated toward improving, contributing to another player of another varied skill level, which is conducive to presenting varied levels of player challengers, which, in turn, provides more players of more varied skill levels.

What's happening here, and what happens with a lot of games that get old but still have a dedicated community, is that the community's skill level is all very-much focused on the "high" end of the skill level spectrum. This means that any player who tries to join will be bombarded with the impression that they don't belong at all, and will quit. The older, experienced players, will have a few possible perceptions toward this:

>>10097220
First, they might play as they normally would, treating the player like anyone else, and think that the new player would have left anyway, not having the resolve to improve, and this can't necessarily be proven wrong, even if it is very judgmental, insulting and presumptuous.

Second, they might be under the impression that by playing against the new player, they'll encourage them to improve somehow, either by demonstrating that the community is still active or by hurting their ego enough to make them want to get better than the person who hurt said ego.

Third, they might not want the new player to be part of the community at all, and will go out of their way to make them feel unwanted.

The third is the "elitism" that the new players will see regardless of which type of high-experience player they encounter.

>>10097228
The solution is, interestingly enough, to not pit low-skill players against high-skill players at all. When players host games and post their IPs here, saying something like "low skill level", what they expect isn't for an experienced player to take it easy on them, but rather for those experienced players to abstain from playing against them at all, and for other, new players to play against them.

I've played a lot of games, seen a lot of games die, and even developed a lot of games wherein I watched the community swell, burst, and dissipate. I understand that experienced players will be dedicated to their community, and the good people of the bunch will want the community to be restored to what it once was, when they played, and because of this they'll mistakenly participate where they aren't wanted. It's important that these players remember how they improved when they first started--that they played against people of varying skill levels, and that what really got them to stay was improving even a little bit and seeing immediate reward for their effort when they played against someone who used to be of the same skill level. Otherwise, it just seems to them like they're running in quicksand, and they'll convince themselves in one way or another that either the game or community isn't worth their time.

>>10097154
GGs Crime. Stick to Cirno man, she's so fun to both play and fight.

hosting again for a little bit.

>>10097438
Thanks! It was fun. But... motherfucking weather!

>>10097231
>The solution is, interestingly enough, to not pit low-skill players against high-skill players at all.
Holy shit it took you this long to realize the original fucking argument?
No wonder /v/ used to laugh your ass out of the board back in 2010.

New players, state that you are new.
Tourneyfags, don't harass new players.
There is a reason most of us put a skill level when we post an IP. So we can play against similar skill levels and learn at a comfortable pace.

>>10097443
That's fine if you never want to stand a chance against anyone decent.

>>10097452
Maybe they want to take it easy and play a fun game with similarly skilled people. Who are you to go in there and ruin someone's fun?

If they actually want to learn to be super tournament pros then they'll fucking end up joining the IRC and watching replays and getting better anyway.

>>10097220
>As you have yet to even attempt to state your point when I've made it abundantly clear that I don't confidently understand it.
I explicitly restated my points with interspersed clarifications so dense you would need to be a genuine retard not to see where I stated it. Autism doesn't even begin to cover this.

>You're becoming increasingly belligerent, and I believe this is because you understand that you're wrong but are unwilling to admit it.
I am acting increasingly belligerent because of your complete unwillingness to read what I have to say. Let me paste it again, just for you, so you can't pretend to be so retarded as to have missed it entirely.

"You said: "The issue is that other parties are initiating matches of very inbalanced skill levels, resulting in one-sided enjoyment, which is very bad sportsmanship."
What I said, as a response, was, "[Your premise, that games with imbalanced skill levels are inherently unenjoyable,] is only true if you're [or, rather, the loser in this case is] not able to have fun losing. Plenty of people play on lunatic even though they can't hit stage four even on a good day. Not everybody derives enjoyment solely from winning." (cont.)"

>>10097461
"(cont.) And your premise of "very bad sportsmanship" was based on the premise that these games involved only one-sided enjoyment, which I had contested. You chose, of course, to ignore the fact that I had challenged it, assumed your own position as fact as if I had never contested it at all, and proceeded to label me as an angry and upset unsportsmanlike self-centered douchebag."

>I enjoy this game and would like its community to become something I and many other people would be a part of.
It is my hope that you will choose, in the future, to stop being a passive-aggressive cunt who posts with practically the sole purpose of infuriating the people you talk to. No poster who was even pretending to type in good faith could seriously write four posts in a row along the lines of "Are you upset? You must be upset, because that's all you've been saying for a while now."

>>10097459
I just said it was fine in that case didn't I? Why are you bashing me?

JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY

No one cares.

>>10097465
"Oh shit I lost an arguement better hurl insults to save face!"

>>10097481
Kill yourself.

>>10097481
I have seen various people in this thread state their care. Stop providing false statements.

>>10097483
"Instead of making up your own words to put in my mouth such as "Oh shit I lost an arguement better hurl insults to save face!" you could try responding to what I actually said. "

OP here, should I delete and remake the thread? the walls of text are annoying. Didn't even care to read them because if I put them all together I make an entire chapter of a book with that. Seriously shut the fuck up. thread is meant for hosting and saying ggs, nothing else allowed, if you want to fight go to some chat and do w/e the fuck you want, just stop posting walls on the thread.

72.9.64.64:10800 US South
Mediocre cramping hand tier. Fight me IRL Imrinfected.

>>10097500
If you delete your thread because people dumped spam in it, the spammers win.

They're not quite spammers, but it works out to the same thing.

>>10097500
They just gonna post more walls...

>>10097154
Still hosting, only for a bit longer.

>>10097485
You mean the same two idiots, who keep arguing with each other about meaningless bullshit?

080.212.100.188
Northern Europe

Shit tier

>>10097505
Sorry, two minutes, phone.

>>10097461
A point, or "argument" is the central statement which drives your rhetoric. This is your single, primary aim in the discourse. It should be a single sentence which describes what you hope to accomplish or prove from the exchange.

For example, my point: High-skilled players are destroying the communities they're dedicated to by making low-skilled players feel unwelcome.

This can be argued against, and other arguments, or "points" can conflict with it. For example, a conflicting point: Low-skilled players are destroying old communities by expecting more of dedicated communities, which causes those dedicated players to stop playing.

Both points can be argued.

When I ask, "what's your point?", "re-state your point" or "What's your argument?" what I'm asking is for you to explain to me what you are trying to prove, and I'm asking you to do so originally and in a single sentence.

This is not to say that I'm still arguing with you, because I'm not. You're quite obviously very emotional right now, you're making personal attacks, misrepresenting my position, and otherwise are now employing the use of a variety of logical fallacies to support an argument that you don't even seem to have. Really, I think you're just angry and you're directing it at me under the guise of a disagreement.

>>10080804
why would you want someone to delete a cute yuyuko pic?

>>10093327

Rehosting if anyone wants a punching bag

>>10097630
Someone has been reading their Schopenhauer. I like what I see.

>>10097630
Fuck off.

>>10097630
>This is your single, primary aim in the discourse. It should be a single sentence which describes what you hope to accomplish or prove from the exchange.
One can make a number of arguments; the requirement that an argument must be a single statement that a post revolves around in order to qualify as an argument is something you pulled out of your ass.

>When I ask, "what's your point?", "re-state your point" or "What's your argument?" what I'm asking is for you to explain to me what you are trying to prove, and I'm asking you to do so originally and in a single sentence.

Original point, per >>10093775, ten posts ago and to which you have not made a single on-topic response.
>This is only true if you're not able to have fun losing.

Restated (for the second time, and which will no doubt be ignored for the second time)
>"[Your premise, that games with imbalanced skill levels are inherently unenjoyable] is only true if you're [or, rather, the loser in this case is] not able to have fun losing [and hence the rest of your argument does not follow]."

>This is not to say that I'm still arguing with you, because I'm not.
I challenged your premise; instead of responding to that challenge, you accused me of being angry for seven posts in a row. You didn't stop arguing with me; you never were to begin with.

>>10097505
GGs, Renee. Sorry for all the random pauses and breaks.

I was losing it there at the end though, since I've been getting tired. Thanks for hosting.

>>10097505
GFGs PF. My controller stopped responding so I'm gonna just call it here. Damn man, I haven't fought an Okuu that good in a loonnng time. That "reversal" was getting under my skin so much. I never dealt with someone who actually uses it. You got some hard to deal with tactics, but I like that a lot.

I think you just fell under my "favorite opponents to fight" list. You make me wanna go 100% every match without getting tired.

Anyone hosting right now?

>>10097910
>[Your premise, that games with imbalanced skill levels are inherently unenjoyable]
That's not my premise. I don't think you know what a premise is.

Also, yes, you do need a central point. You can have multiple points, but you can't argue them all at once--every argument needs once, central point, by definition. That's what an argument is. If you don't follow that format, you aren't arguing.

You're very clearly an uneducated and difficult person. Like I said already, I'm done arguing with you. Let it go.

>>10093327

Rehosting

>>10097966
>That's not my premise.
It was an assumption that underlaid the foundation of your argument.

>Also, yes, you do need a central point.
I made a central point. I restated three times because you were pretending not to read it. You have ignored it every time.

>You're very clearly an uneducated and difficult person. Like I said already, I'm done arguing with you.
You never were.

>>10097985
My premise would be that low-skilled players are a factor in the destruction of dedicated communities. What you're claiming is my premise is something totally irrelevant to my entire argument.

Also, what you've identified as your point does not conflict with my argument whatsoever.

>>10098028
>What you're claiming is my premise is something totally irrelevant to my entire argument.
One wonders why you bothered to mention it in the first place.

>>10097985
Restating a straw man over and over doesn't help you, and yes, the argument did indeed end quite a bit ago. Now educate yourself and get the fuck out of /jp/.

>>10098033
What are you, Imrinfected's dog? Personal cock polisher?

>Now educate yourself and get the fuck out of /jp/.
Your advice is appreciated. I'll follow it right after you follow mine.

206.188.84.152:10800 CA EST

>>10097977
GGs Kemo. Pretty fun set. You're not half as bad as you make it sound. Maybe a little bit too aggressive against my kind of play. You gotta be more zoney, but not just flying away. Your set ups with Alice are nice though.

GGs Renee I still suck a lot though

>>10097125
>In this thread, as far as I can tell, a very skilled player joined a game with a listed IP and no other information, and the host of that game turned out to have been playing his first online matches after the fact.
>I don't see a conspiracy of elite players to jump on hosts who have openly advertised themselves as being new or unskilled players.
When I was new there were a lot of times when I'd host and openly say "new player, shit tier"

And some people still joined and beat me and the skill level was so huge i didn't even know what I was doing wrong. Yes, there are some people who join new players host for the simple reason that they get their rocks off at pounding a new player into the ground and making them feel bad. I know, it happened to me.

>>10098462
Happens to all of us.

At least that one guy from finland with 10 delay stopped joining every IP ever posted. That was hilarious and infuriating.

>>10098479
>Happens to all of us.
There's no reason for that to happen. He doesn't get a challenge, I don't learn shit from the matches, and overall everyone is unsatisfied.

>>10098534
I'm not condoning it. Just saying that people are assholes and others get the wrong idea about skill levels/improving, as this entire long-winded thread has demonstrated.

I got slapped around quite heavily when I started too. Still do, but that is a completely different set of excuses there.

>Guy A makes claim
>Guy B gives argument against
>Guy A: I don't understand
>Guy B: Simplified
>Guy A: I don't understand
>Guy B: Reworded
>Guy A: I don't understand
>Guy A: I don't understand
>Guy A: I don't understand
>Guy A: You are clearly uneducated.

Masterful troll, 10/10, would read through again. This guy has skills even /v/ would be jealous of.
This whole thread, holy shit. Comedy gold.

>>10098875
You actually took the time to read through all that?

>>10086892
hosting again ^^;

>>10099284
Ohh i see. Welcome back then :P

Posted >>10099287 a bit too early haha

>>10099187
gfights. Haven't played in a long time -_-

GG calxium (I think that was your name? ;o) thanks for the games.

I'm assuming you had to go early?

>>10098875
Cool green texts brah.

>>10099293
corners are hell. i never did quite figure out how to border escape, let alone use it properly

Does someone have any idea why netplay threads bring in the kind of people who would not be tolerated in any other context on /jp/ (or even the rest of 4chan)?

>>10099187
>>10099284
>>10099293
>>10099287
>^^;
>-_-
>;o)
>:P

Please just get the fuck out.

>>10099314
The correct question would be:

"Does someone have any idea why GENERAL threads bring in the kind of people who would not be tolerated in any other context on /jp/ (or even the rest of 4chan)?"

Once people lose their anonymity, there will be drama, arguments, and circlejerks.
Yes, I know /jp/ already has these, because a) unfortunately the board is archived, so you can look up people's posts if they keep using the same images and b) it's a slow board, so you'll keep running into the same people while discussing things, but in my opinion general threads are particularly bad, and I think they should be banned.

>>10086892
Hosting again

>>10099355
>>10099392

GG thanks for the games tes
Sorry i had to end it early on that last one, i have to head out.

>>10099401
Good games. I'm still pretty new at this game

>>10099664
I figured haha.
I tried not to go too hard on ya so you can at least get something out of it. GGs regardless~

98.216.245.243:10800

Newbie tier... East Coast

>>10099690
Thanks for playing Crime

>>10099690
Thanks! It was fun, but I have a question aren´t Cirno´s hits weaker and shorter than others?

>>10099842
Cirno is pretty weak compared to the others, and her bullets are really easy to beat. But, she has a lot of really fast attacks

>>10099856
Other question: How can I do that action when a character pass an enemy attack to go rigth to the side of the enemy even when she was far away? You did it with Meiling.

>>10099872
I think you're talking about a graze attack. You can pass through projectiles by dashing, and then you can attack out of the dash

>>10099886
But that is what I did with Cirno in the air, I´m talking about that when the character glows white and can pass even spell cards

SEA player
a-fool-with-snot tier
112.204.171.209:10800

>>10099905
You can pass through most spellcards with normal grazing.

>>10099905
You mean that spellcard Meiling has that makes her not flinch?

>>10099914
last one sir Tessiro

>>10100087
>>10099914
Thanks for the games Tessiro

>>10100087
You're welcome. I love getting destroyed, its educational

>>10100097
block more. and you've got a good Okuu there.

>>10100107
Thanks for the advice. I never considered Okuu as my best character though. Maybe I should start using her more often

>>10100116
Her 3A is good for jumping characters like me.

>>10099313
I can't get into the habit of them because they seem wasteful. I'd rather just wait for the opportunity to dash through bullets or punish. Kinda hard to do vs Sakuya though.

>>10099392
I still hold the idea that a name has no effect on an already intolerable person, except making them easier to filter. They're going to be insufferable asses no matter what.

>>10099905
>I´m talking about that when the character glows white and can pass even spell cards
I dunno about the glowing white part, maybe her 214C move for Meiling?

Most spellcards can be grazed through by dashing, although some will eat your spirit up really fast if you're in the air, and others (mainly Suika, Meiling, and various other single spellcards) cannot be grazed through because they count as melee.

Some skills have graze properties to them, Cirno has none that I can think of except for her 66C move. (I'm assuming you understand the directional terminology, which is basically just "the direction that number is pointing on your numpad" if you have one.)

>>10100858
>>I´m talking about that when the character glows white and can pass even spell cards
And melee SCs have no effect too, when that card is activated?
Maybe it's that Three Heavenly Drops

75.138.217.98:10800

Anyone want to play double randoms? If not just pick a char and I'm fine with standard.

>>10100937
p.s. garbage tier

gg xerox but this is unplayable :(

>>10100997
lol, I can't even block quickly

>>10101000
ye idk da fuq

p.p.s. US East

ggs to my soku friendo, had some fun games

>>10101360
ps I'm curious, what's your main?

>>10101360
Thanks for the games.

>>10101366
Yukari, Yuyuko, Youmu, Patchouli, Sakuya, Reimu, Sanae, or Utsuho.

>>10101385
hah splendid, I petty much got destroyed against my mains too.

Sometimes when you use a skill card your character automatically uses that skill, but not always.
What determines this? Is it random?

>>10101930
Try activating it while pressing back/forward

>>10101930
If you don't press any direction while using the skill it will use it. Same with spellcards. Also you can't use ground-only skills in the air of course.

>>10086892
Hosting again.

Happy thanksgiving to all you 'murrikans

>>10099690
Rehosting!

>>10103418
spectated a bit.
hell of a finish one game, with meiling's raging demon-ish 5 card

Very good games Gen. I loved those Hong/Sakuya matches!

>>10103418
>>10103958
GG's tes.
I lol'd at cirno and suwako dancing for 2 minutes without anybody attacking.

67.160.100.254:7777 WC US
Phantasm Tier

>>10100858
>I can't get into the habit of them because they seem wasteful. I'd rather just wait for the opportunity to dash through bullets or punish. Kinda hard to do vs Sakuya though.

That's how they seem to most people at first. You try to BE, get smacked, and think "Ok, so I got hit anyways AND I lost an orb. Well this sucks..."

Against Sakuya, it becomes obvious why you need them, but almost every other character has alternating melee and bullet strings you can only safely get out of via border escaping. It's a really strong mechanic, and becomes obligatory when you face people with strong enough pressure.

Especially in the air. Holy shit, the first time you do j.a j.6a *anything* against someone and they BE6 your j.6a and hit you in the face out of your bullet...That's one hell of a wakeup call.
"...You can do that?"
And then you try to cancel your bullet into air backdash j.a as fast as you can, and it doesn't work. When you realize j.a j.6/8a is literally unsafe as an air string, that's when it hits you just how strong BE is.

>>10099690
Hosting yet again! It sucks having nothing better to do...

>>10105570
Well that was fun. GGs Werty

LOL

Hosts?

bumping and waiting for someone to host

71.237.108.181:10800

US west/central, continental divide.

>>10110525

>>10099690
Hosting again! Maybe I can upgrade to novice tier now?

>>10110525
Thanks! It was fun. I notice how to select a character now. It can´t be based in preferences.

>>10110881
Thanks for the games.

I hope you're not saying that you shouldn't play characters because they're low tier.

>>10110889
It is. you saw yourself how Cirno´s arm can´t rearch Yukari while she can rearch Cirno with her fan. It´s valid with Youmou´s sword, Reimu´s wand, Tenshi´s sword, Sakuya´s kicks and others; Cirno can´t rearch the bodies but the others can rearch Cirno easily

>>10110926
Or with the spell cards and strong attacks: while the enemies´s ones can follow Cirno in all the stage (ex. Sakuya´s knives), Cirno´s attacks can only go to the front, one direction and in a small range.

>>10110926
Cirno's 3a will reach quite far.

>>10110926
>>10110949
Cirno has speed and decent pressure. 5C is lovely.

Play against a good Cirno. You're nowhere near the skill level required to make good character strength/weakness assessments.

There are no "give it up" matchups in Hisoutensoku, nor terribly imbalanced characters. You are just bad

sea player
112.204.161.127:10800
Cirno-tier

>>10111108
Utsuho vs iku can be pretty painful.

true for the most part though.

Alice vs. Sakuya is pretty terrible too

thanks for the games anon

>>10111146
when you worte cirno tier i think it was bad tier

>>10111225
-Don't always jump then spam 2Cs
-Avoid flying very high in that Scorching Sun Weather
Avoiding my Cirno is pretty good.

>>10110849
Good games. Looks like I got a good demonstration why Sakuya is top

>>10105570

GGs you are pretty good

>>10111250
i don spam 2Cs, i tried to do a down right move but i fail at it

>>10111148
>>10111157
Japs don't think that, judging by the Wiki. The worst is Suwako vs Tenshi, which is 8:2. the ones you pointed are 3.5:6.5

>>10111266
If I were to use Meiling, you won't be blocking anymore in the air(read:623 B/C).

why do I always keep pressing the delete button

>>10111261
I didn't even know the tiers I'm just trying to learn Alice and Sakuya because I like them the most.

>>10111146
shall I host again?
112.204.161.127:10800
Near-Phantasm tier

>>10111329
Well, your Sakuya is amazing. Your Alice is pretty good too.

I should try picking up a new character.

>>10111355
stopped hosting.

To those who want to play more.
http://live.nicovideo.jp/search/%E9%9D%9E%E6%83%B3%E5%A4%A9%E5%89%87?kind=tags

>>10111108
I´m not saying that the characters are bad. What I mean is that new players have it tough while playing with her favorite character (Ex. Me-Cirno) Vs Pro-players (Ex. Anon-Motherfuking Yukari and her motherfuking arrows-like-things attacks.
For example, when both my opponent and me throw a projectile (Ex. Yukari´s light-arrows-like-things vs Cirno´s single ice arrow) my attack is canceled but my opponent´s attack win and hit Cirno.

>>10111429
Bullet densities

>>10111429
People are going to beat you if you suck. This is true of every versus game ever. I don't know what you're complaining about.

>>10111433
That is the point, until I learn how properly avoid those dense attack, I can´t use Cirno. but the problem is that she is the only one fun to play.

>>10111455
try playing with Aya, her B bullets are less dense

Also when you see your bullet got 'eaten' by another bullet, just graze it or just block it.

189.174.16.192:10800
North-West Mexico

i wanna fight someone NOW!!

>>10111570
GG random guy I played with.
楽しかっただ。

>>10111570
holy fucking SHIT.

how do you mexicans time ANYTHING correctly.

I always usually give someone's connection like 20 games or so before I decide its shit.

You hitting ABARE ABARE ABARE all the fucking time wasn't helping the blood vessels either.

This indeed felt like 2008 SWR though, what a nostalgia trip

FUCKING splendid and enjoyable GAMES

never doing that shit again, it says something when west coast US can get a better connection to east coast US than Mexico.

>>10111912
Every good Mexican/Latin American person I've played has impressive lagtics.

SEA player with a nullified deck
normal-tier
112.204.161.127

>>10112658
112.204.161.127:10800*

Am I a secondary if I only play the touhou fighting games?

>>10113392
Only if you don't know how to forward ports.

77.233.119.69:10800 Western EU breddygüd::--DDDtier

>>10113536
Will host for ~30mins

>>10113536
Sorry, I'm exhausted, we have been fighting for 2 hours

Anyway, GGs, I haven't had games with someone more or less equally skilled as I am for a while, I usually rape or get raped.

>>10114099
Damn, that could've been a lot more fun without that horrible lag. GGs nevertheless. Nice to get a chance to de-rust my Cirno a bit.

I wonder how it would've ended up in a more lag-free environment, judging by your skills you were probably held back by the lag just as much as I.

Also, it seemed to me like you haven't played against Cirno that much, falling often for that 5C, the 5-card ice cube and so on, allowing me some easy victories here and there. Given time you could've probably figured them out properly, which would've made things a lot harder for me.

>>10114135
I've never played against a decent Cirno, but i'm usually very offensive so I often get caught by these kind of things.

The big problem was your 66C, It has priority over my 66C, 66A, 66B AND default 623, good thing that you can't get that much damages with it, even with a CH.

The problem with the lag in my side was that I couldn't finish most of my combos, and that I couldn't correctly delay me quake okizeme, which is usually extremely unfair.

>>10114178
My*

>>10114178
66C is really handy, though when my opponents start blocking it I'm in for quite an ass kicking. Still, it's one of the only 2 grazing moves Cirno has, and with all these fragile as hell bullets it's often her best bet to counter an opponent carelessly rushing in with a bullet cover.

Without the lag I could've got some proper use of her default 623 though, on max level it has a ridiculously short startup which makes it occasionally useful as a reversal substitute of a sort, among other interesting uses. Eats bullets like candy too and has a relatively short recovery, so even if it misses I'm quite safe unless you graze it.

>>10114248
She has another graze move?
I hope you don't mean ice kick.

>>10114288
>I hope you don't mean ice kick.
That's indeed what I mean. So that leaves just 66C really.
Well, to be honest, it's not THAT bad, but way too situational and low damage compared to ice charge that I don't see any reason to use it, except for when I feel like messing around.

74.58.46.83:10800
NA East Coast
Good, but not nameless-tier tier.

>>10114603
GG, thanks for the games. I hope I didn't bore you.

Sorry for mass disrespect starting halfway through, habits die hard.

>>10115090
Thank you for playing, those were fun games.
Yeah, I noticed the wakeup poke attempts. Gotta drop that habbit.

I know how hard it can be to get off the auto-pilot though. I have wisp rings in my yuyuko deck so I can combo j.5a with j.8a 623c j.5a j.8a.

...and then almost everytime I land j.5a, HURR j.6A j.6C j.236B.
Oh well. Gotta practice.

67.83.83.147:10800 US East
good tier, practicing reimu

>>10114603
>>10115249

someone hosting?

112.204.192.75:10800
null.

>>10116098
Sorry, lag. From where are you?

>>10116165
sea, sorry for the lag.

Anyone Hosting?
173.245.64.139 US East
Phantasm-Tier

99.121.200.168:10800 - U.S. West
Pretty bad at inputs tier.

>>10080934
Good Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/NuX3tQKn


>>10116098
Hosting again.
>112.204.192.75:10800

>>10117350
Thanks for the games Happy

>>10117350
Thanks for the games. The Philippines is pretty far away. You should say your location when hosting.

>>10117388
>>10117350
I'll still host again

>>10117394
Oh, sorry about that.

GG's Lawlium twas fun.

>>10117406
Yes indeed, GG's. I put up as much of a fight as I could.
Thank you for the games

>>10114603
Rehosting

>>10120288
GGs, had to run. Thanks for games again.

>>10120288
Thank you for playing, PerfectFreeze.
Marisa is really fun to play. I don't know why I don't pick her more often.
>>10114603
Rehosting.

>>10120395
Thank you for playing, hum....person. I forgot your name.

Ready to play again!

98.216.245.243:10800

>>10115249
Rehosting

>>10086892
Hosting once again~

>>10121835
Thank you Tessiro for playing.
I'm sorry for such a short session, I only had very little time.

I'll be back later tonight.

>>10121919
Its okay, I swear I've played you before though

>>10121835
Might as well host again. Any takers?

>>10115249
>Nameless
>Good
The term you're looking for is phantasm, or god tier.

Pic related, it's auric playing anyone besides Magister.

>>10121870
gg

201.127.67.9:10800
Yukkuri tier

>>10114603
Rehosting.

>>10121835
watchin you patchy vs Alice

GO GO GO!

>>10121835
Nice games Gen

>>10122499
Those fights were really intense man, I was practically screaming

>>10122544
Great games Tes, you get a lot stronger every time we play.
Sorry for AFK'ing at the end, family was callling at the door.

>>10122332
someone?

>>10122633
You should add a location.

>>10122633
Isn't working.

>>10122639
Central América?

>>10122445
Thanks for playing, Patchouli.

Hosting again.

>>10122641
But I posted my IP from that page, whatismyip.com.

>>10122680
Got your port-forwarding or whatever all set up?

>>10122691
w-what is that?

>>10122702
So the port, 10800, needs to be all opened up my fernd <3.

Go to your router's site thing, go to port forwarding, add in 10800 to be forward to your direct local IP (check IPCONFIG in CMD)

and there u go

>>10122702
http://portforward.com/
Can be helpful.

>>10122673
Thanks! That last was awesome! If only I was more fast...

We're gonna need a new thread soon.

108.212.78.209:10800
West coast USA

>>10123385
Thanks for the games, Dango.

You can still hit me with the same tricks over and over. (´・ω・`)

>>10123873
GG thanks for the games haha. Did your net get better? It felt a lot more smooth than last time though..

Anywho, yeah. You, of all people, should know i don't give free escapes that easily :P If any suggestions, try reading the string a little bit more and when you escape, reset the neutral instead of going full aggro afterwards.

Fun stuff nevertheless.

>>10123890
Yes, fun times.

>Did your net get better?
Yeah, I moved a couple months ago.

>>10114603
Last rehost for the night.

>>10124066
Seems the thread has hit the bump limit.
Too lazy to make a new one.
Goodnight, /jp/.

New thread : >>10124966