/jp/ - Otaku Culture

does he actually say shit like this or are all these quotes fake.

Why is Anno such a poor sport?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTBu2SDuOdI

>>10058865
I'm assured that Anno isn't human. He is just vehicle for higher beings will.

Better than Miyazaki's holier than thou speeches this guy just states observations with a bit of his personal experiences mixed in.(On a side note I wonder how Satoshi Kon felt about otaku)

/jp/. /jp/ never changes.

I don't understand why anyone would disagree with this one.

Hideaki Anno makes me puke, he looks like a fucking tick.

>>10058860
Truer words were never spoken

I don't see anything wrong with this. Constant change isn't necessary.

>>10058904
the issue isn't from the standpoint of the fan, it is from the standpoint of the artist who makes his work for the fans. He wants to branch out and try new things, but the economics of the Otaku culture prevents him from doing so. So this is him venting his frustration in a polite way.

>>10058904
He says change too arbitrarily.

I know there's Idol Otaku that worship idols all their life but I've not seen one yet who worshiped the same one all life long.

>>10058909
>So this is him venting his frustration in a polite way.
It's understandable.

>>10058920
That's because idols grow old and slutty with time. Idols are changing, not the otaku. Come on anon, think!

>>10058925
But otaku too will age and be subject to change. The next generation of otaku will be different from the last just because they are different people. Nothing can stay the same forever.

>>10058909
I don't know, what he want to do?
If he wanted to make something he has the fame and resources to do it by himself, so does this thinker wannabe want to do shit like engraving stone and people paying for it even if they're not interested?

>>10058925
I think there's Otaku for every kind of anime show, if he wanted to do another genre he would have audience just for his reputation.

>Anno "I fit into the otaku group-or at least I'm an otaku who has opened up. But maybe then I'm not an otaku any more because of that. It's hard to define"

>Anno "If I myself change, then maybe I can find a different approach. I feel, at least for now, that it can no longer be something like Evangelion. Perhaps it can't be that sort of desperate and pressurized work. Something a little bit more pleasant would be good, I think."

otaku from the 80s were pretty fucking different from today, that for sure, they actually liked sexy women.

>>10058962
Oh god please don't start this shit again.

>>10058962
Define "sexy women"

>>10058976
Define "naitoknaito."

>>10058981
Define "define".

>>10058972But it's true. Not the sexy women part, but they were different, back in the day Otaku dudes were virgin losers, now everyone can be a otaku, even the "cool" kids.

>>10058976
Define namefaggot stupid homolord.

>>10058886
Anno and Miyazaki are bros. The difference between them is that Anno is an otaku. He constantly hates on the subculture in the way a person hates themselves. As harsh as his words may be, they're true; it's just a reflection of the self-deprecating nature of otaku. Miyazaki, on the other hand, seems removed from the subculture. His criticisms are ones that a father might have against his otaku son.

>>10058995
No. The otaku label is still reserved for the losers in Japan. Don't let Danny Choo fool you. They're bigger losers than they have ever been. Back then it was SF, now it's lolicon and eroge and all sorts of unacceptable things. They find solidarity in being outcasts, not unlike /jp/ I suppose.

>>10058981
┐( ツ)┌

Can I get my sexy women def now?

>>10058962
Hideo Azuma is 80s

I don't know why its got him so worked up, change isn't always a good thing. Otaku find something they like and stick to it. They don't harm anyone but themselves, so who cares.

fuck him

>>10059053
Fuck you moot.

>>10059013
>They're bigger losers than they have ever been.

Yep. Being a loser that likes sexy women and science fiction isn't that bad. Today is much worse.

>>10058902
I think he looks interesting and seems like a pretty cool guy.

>>10059103
They still like sexy women. I don't think that'll ever stop.

>>10059152
>women

Not really

>>10059165
Stop posting.

>>10059206
>Stop

Not really

Evangelion a shit

>>10059165
>imblying japs weren't awalys pedos, in fact anti CP laws weren't even around until the 90s.
I'm quoting you're mom.

>>10059290
Anno has such aura of despair and reality even if his face was added into dancing stick figure I would still feel depressed. No wonder why he got laid so late.

>>10059290
Saved, I drew this connection the first time I saw this shot of Anno

I think the 90s was the best. I can't wait until my Japanese gets better so I can go back and consume all of the media I missed, or had to experience in translation.

>>10059309
>Anno has such aura of despair and reality
It's funny how even an aura of reality can be a virginifying factor. I agree that it's true but it's still incredible.

>>10059337
Seriously. If you are with girl and she is like. "Will we be together for ever?" And you are like. "Probably not." Soon everyone will dislike you.

>>10059309
He always looked like master myiagi from karate kid to me.

>>10059360
I know, but I dare to disagree. Point me to a girl who could also say "Probably not" and I'll show the world how life can work out.

>>10059360
This has actually happened to me. A grand irony of life is that people don't like it when one is honest. At the same time no one likes being lied to. We live in a world of half-truths.

A relevant quote from Wikipedia:
>During [Evangelion's] production, Anno became disenchanted with the Japanese "otaku" lifestyle, considering it a form of forced autism.

>>10059381
And thus, a state of half-existence was born.

So, the faggot who spend his life recycling other people's shit is complaining about his market demanding more of the same?

>>10058860
Anno is a pretentious faggot who hasn't made a good anime since his one hit wonder Evangelion and has to market the fuck out it to raise money.
He shouldn't be talking

He has a point

>>10060920
And where's YOUR anime, Mr. Tripfaag?

>>10060942
I am currently animating in Java and anime about a guy with an evil katana and cute ninja girls who want to kill him but fall in love.
ur turn nurd

>>10059053
I got banned for NSFW when all i did was post a picture of 2 fully clothed men kissing

>>10060957
Well, some of us work for the church.

>>10060920
>hasn't made a good anime since his one hit wonder Evangelion
Daicon shortfilm
Gunbuster
Nadia

Anno was already very famous in the otaku circle back in 80s even he hadn't any real work in that time, he even has a column in the Animage magazine talk about his otaku life.

and Evangelin made him mainstream popular in the 90s is another story.

there are not many anime director reach mainstream popularity in Japan

>>10061018
Also Just look at Tomino

Has he ever done anything not GAINT ROBOT after Gundam?

It's funny to see people have double standard on Anno make Rebuild

Tomnio himeslef made 5 sequel, 2 trilogy, 1 binary and 2 movies, 1 high budget shortfilm in the SAME NAME of Gundam, hurr durr, Sunrise force him to do this, if he think himslef is a creator. he should just leave the sunrise.and try something like Anno did the NGE back then (withoout big toy comapny supporting)

And look at those otaku still call Tomino as the great anime director of japan.

>>10061018
All of those came before Evangelion.

Also Anno worked on the Kare Kano adaptation which was pretty damn good for majority of it, so that goes against his "since Evangelion" statement.

>>10060920
Fuck you tripfag. Get out of 4chan.

>>10059290
>>10059309
>>10059371
I always though Anno was a bearded dragon-human hybrid. If i even get one again i will name it after him in respect.

>>10061032
Kare Kano was a horrible adaption and that's why it was never completed. Even the original author had problems with it.

>>10061207
*thought

>>10059013
>They're bigger losers than they have ever been. Back then it was SF, now it's lolicon and eroge and all sorts of unacceptable things. They find solidarity in being outcasts, not unlike /jp/ I suppose.

Thank you for this post, I was thinking exactly about this today. Once I read in a self-help book (Psycho-Cybernetics by Maxwell Maltz) that some people are success-oriented while others are failure-oriented. And if you are failure-oriented and do not change this orientation you will always make choices in life that lead to failure - because that is what you envisioned, that is what fits with your perception of reality and yourself. I don't know if its true, I tend to be cautious about these books but I can really see a trend in my life. When I was 11-12 I started reading SF. Then, in highschool I continued with fantasy and pen&paper rpgs. I also played video games at that time, but I lost interest in them around 16-17. Then I had a short period of enthusiasm in math, physics, electronics but because this interest helped me in university work, I dumped it and got into watching American TV-series. And now, I'm watching anime and I love loli/moe. Maybe my next thing will be doramas, dunno. But you can bet it will have no practical value at all.

>>10061233
OH REALLY WOW FUCKING THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR CLARIFYING THAT I WAS SO CONFUSED WHAT YOU MEANT OTHERWISE LOL I NEVER INTO CONTEXT OR CRITICAL THINKING LOL FAGGOT BITCH I HOPE IT WAS WORTH IT TYPING OUT THE CAPTCHA TWICE JUST FOR THAT MUST SUCK TO HAVE SUCH A BIG EGO FAGGOT NIGGER

>>10058860
Whoever thinks he can understand a group of people like that is a fool and the worst kind of people.

>>10061032
Kare Kano was a fucking abomination

Early Kare Kano - Omg this show is really great

Late Kare Kano - OMG WHY IS EVERYTHING SCRIBBLES

>>10061332
Was that really because you were seeking failure, though? Or was that because your interest waned quickly after the initial burst of energy and the work became more difficult the more you studied? I would suspect the latter myself. The techniques in the book may actually work; I've never read it so I wouldn't know. I'm just not sure if the underlying idea is correct.

As for otaku culture changing, it might be because a subculture's defined by its characteristics that distinguish it from the mainstream. It would need to distinguish itself further as more and more of what was formerly "otaku culture" is integrated into the mainstream. In other words, a subculture latches onto ignored and hated things because it needs them in order to exist at all. As those things change, so too does the subculture.

>>10061415
Is he wrong, though? I would imagine he's not far off when he says that most otaku want nothing more than for their days to continue as they are forever.

>>10061479

The otaku subculture isn't changing, it's just that the (incorrect) stereotype has gotten more favorable attention.

Teenagers and Young Adults in Japan have the highest disposable income, therefore they are convinced that they too can be 'otaku' if they pay the right prices and buy the right goods.

This is obviously incorrect, otaku are not defined by what they consume.

But the mass media will favor the ones who buy most, because it makes money. So everyone jumps on to this fake 'otaku' image, starts going to comiket and akihabara and anime comes out to pander to this demographic.

The real otaku are out there, they're watching old tapes and hanging out in different areas that appeal to their niche tastes, not pressure them into buying things they don't need.

>>10061849

Let me make an example here:

Actual geeks/nerds like in-depth videogames, anime series etc. etc.

The fake 'OMG I'M SUCH A NERD' types like mainstream examples of this; first generation Pokemon, Mario, Pacman, Zelda etc.

The latter have a louder voice, so naturally the mainstream media and anyone who doesn't know any better thinks that Scott Pilgrim is a 'nerd game' because OMG references to nerd pop-culture.

Most nerds don't give a shit about Scott Pilgrim, they know it's for the wannabes.

The same applies to Otaku, the posers are louder and therefore have a bigger representation...but it doesn't mean the real nerds have changed. It's not like they've dropped dungeons and dragons in favor of donkey kong or angry birds.

>>10059053

>>10058860
No, otaku culture is stale and needs a good purging.

>>10063070
You need a good purging.

>>10061849
>>10061886
Are you seriously pretending there are fashionable hipster faggots in Japan who buy lolicon merchandise to pretend to be otaku? How delusional/autistic are you?

Oh wait.
>>10061886
>Actual geeks/nerds like in-depth videogames, anime series etc
Now I know you're trolling.

>>10063083
I don't think he meant it that far. I think he meant it more concerning anime/manga, buying figures, posters and the like, and knowledge about doujin authors, games, etcs

Fetish paraphernalia has always been a niche inside a nice.

>>10063082
You'd like that wouldn't you? Well too bad, I'm staying here forever.

>>10063106
Me too. Hahaha!

>>10063123
You should delete your posts as well.

>>10061429
The ending was poorly executed. I wouldn't call it an abomination because of that. The series dropped in quality after Anno left anyhow.

>>10063132
>>10063123
>>10063106
I'm quoting all these posts.

>I wish otaku weren't so easily self-satisfied so they would buy more DVDs of my anime

>>10063148
You won't quote this one

>>10063154
Whom are you quoting?

>>10063141
I really loved it, but they managed their budget Gainax-style and ruined it.

If I'm making a pizza and it's looking really good, but then at the last second I take all of the bread and cheese away and smear in some shit and cum, would you still say that it was a good pizza? HUH?!

>>10058886
>On a side note I wonder how Satoshi Kon felt about otaku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfDPQY8iJCg&t=17m41s

>>10061479
Yes, on a second thought I think you are right. You cannot say that mathematics and anime are on the same level as a hobby, the latter requires mere attention (and some concentration if you are reading subs, or listening to Japanese audio on a less-than-fluent language proficiency) while on the other hand for math you need serious brainwork. That means I'm just plain lazy, I've never ever had a hobby which I couldn't do sitting on my ass or laying in my bed (like reading, etc.). Once I tried to get into painting figurines but it was too much of a hassle.

On the question of culture and subculture... well it made me remember the time when the first Lord of The Rings movie came out. Before it, no matter what I told other people about the books they just assumed it is some nerdy thing and didn't give a fuck about it but after it was adapted on the silver screen... everyone quickly became a 'fan'. My somewhat autistic teenage self was irated on this behaviour and countlessly pointed out the differences between the book and the movie, etc. I can't really enjoy LOTR ever since.
But my point is this: otaku are people who can find true value in anything no matter in what form it is presented. The general public needs a more easily consumable retelling of the same story even to consider to get into it.

>>10063245
I wouldn't compare an adaptation with a lackluster ending and poor budgeting to smearing shit all over a Pizza.

>>10061018
All of those might be okay, but they aren't something I would consider worthwhile or a masterpiece. He will always just be the guy who made NGE in my eyes, and nothing else. Furthermore, I lost even more respect for him when he started releasing his terrible Rebuild movies.

>>10063259
*One cannot say

>>10063245
I would consider a pizza that's slightly burnt and undercooked to still be a good pizza.

People have been spamming negative Anno quote content more often than usual, seems like.

I mean, for pete's sake, the guy was a tentacle rapist, among other things.

Anno is right in his quotes, provided that you adopt his set of values. If your values are irregular, though, there's no benefit trying to conform in the way he espouses.

Don't you think Hiroko-chan is cute?

>>10063083

Are you an idiot? Why do you think the にわかアニオタ　キモいヲタ divide has come up?

Some of you guys are so behind the times, this has been going on for a good couple of years or so now, I'll just hope you're a lost cross-boarder.

>>10063720
Could you explain? I'm not the person you're responding to, but not knowing Japanese, I rarely hear about any of this stuff. I found a thread on /jp/ about it but there wasn't much info.

>>10063756

To summarize extremely briefly 'Otaku' culture in Japan has been going through a very similar thing to 'Nerd' culture in the west. But in true Japanese fashion this comes with a heavy dose of consumerism and extremely anal micromanagement.

It became cool, and so it has been ruined. The niwaka-ota are quick to call themselves otaku yet despise the kimoi-ota of which are much more representative of actual otaku.

>>10063790
Ah, that's a shame. Thanks for the explanation. I had noticed that when I see some things pertaining to Japanese otaku it will give off that vibe that you see in the west, with "nerds," but I was unaware they had the same problem.

>>10063802

It's the 'caricature' issue that poisons any subculture or even music genre that reaches mainstream attention of some kind.

Surfers ->
Stereotype that all surfers smoke pot and have dreadlocks ->
Surfers/Surfing get popularized along with the stereotype ->
New wannabe surfer kids smoke pot and get dreads so they can be a 'Surfer' too ->
Original subculture of actually surfing is lost in a cloud of posers and false perceptions and seems to come second to image.

Sadly it happens to many subcultures, the niwaka-ota have this idea that being an otaku is all about buying figures, liking cute anime girls and following the 'moe' trend. Had the popularity come 10 years earlier they would probably be making garage kit figures and refusing to watch anything that isn't sci-fi.

It's true that 'moe' and cute girls have always been a staple food of the otaku diet, but now that everyone wants to live up to that image, it has flooded the anime market in an attempt to make lots of money as quickly as possible.

The ironic part is that many of these kids will openly admit to being a lolicon, will blame all their problems on the fact that they are 'otaku' yet are grossed out by the sight of the obese, sweating, 30-something kimoi-ota who are the real deal.

>>10063925
Now explain why should ANY of that matter to the truOtaku you glorify, if he cares about his "image", doesn't that make him a poser too?

Here's the answer on how to take it easy and enjoy life: stop giving a damn. If you're past your teen years, it really shouldn't be an issue.

>>10064013
You're dealing with colony drop-kun here. Your words fall on deaf ears.

>>10064013
>doesn't that make him a poser too?

Not when you are the type of person that others are trying to imitate (and failing). Consider his surfer analogy. If you were one of the original crowd of surfers and then a bunch of faggots starting trying to be like you, and then you got mad because you don't want them. It doesn't make you a poser because you're the original. You're a fucking idiot. You're the poser. Eat shit, faggot.

>>10059290
Jesus christ how horrifying.

>>10064013
That's fucking typical. The poser trying to accuse the original of being a poser, and trying to explain why they shouldn't care about faggots like himself shitting everything up.

>>10064075
>If you were one of the original crowd of surfers and then a bunch of faggots starting trying to be like you
I'd find it nice, flattering.
>You're the poser abloo bloo bloo
I don't care, how is that even an insult?
I just enjoy the things I enjoy, you're the one subscribing to the tru-otaku-hipster thing.

>>10064122
You probably don't know how transparent you sound. It's obvious what you are trying to do.

>>10064122

What does it take to be a niwaka-ota?

>>10064154
You just need to care about your "image" more than your actual interests, see:
>>10064075
>>10064120
>>10063925
>>10063790
and so on.

>>10064122
>I'd find it nice, flattering.
That's why you should stop hanging out with the mentally ill and do something which benefits humanity.

>>10064154

>>10064122
>doubletime

>>10064162
Fuck off, faggot. The only reason you want people to "stop caring about your image" is so that they'll accept faggots like you shitting all over everything.

>>10064166

That's actually a pretty funny description because I see poser kids like this all the time on 2ch lately

Next you guys are going to start posting about sutema as if it's anything but a load of bullshit.

>>10064162
What if you care about where you stand as an "Otaku?"

To specify, you don't care about the very image of being an Otaku, but you care about your stature as an Otaku to the point that you're willing to go out of your way to explore genres and fields, which you show mild interest at best for? I'm not sure if this makes sense or not.

>>10064166
Isn't that just a troll?

>>10064191
>Isn't that just a troll?

There's a link to the blog it's from at the bottom. Why don't you ask them?

>>10063268
DAICON IV is a technical masterpiece in form and function. With the tools and budget they had, they managed to produce animation far surpassing professional studios at the time.

Whether you like Anno or not, he was one of the founders of Gainax and thus had a hand in almost everything they've produced.

>>10063925
This sounds more like otaku being as insecure as ever. It's just the No True Scotsman fallacy applied to the label they hate, but secretly love. I know the feeling of seeing something you like degraded by posers/hipsters/etc. but the qualifications that separate the two groups are arbitrarily drawn. Furthermore, the influx of "moe" material is only a reflection of a shift in the actual demographic. The first generation SF otaku are quickly becoming older and older. It's natural for the market to explore different trends as others play themselves out. It doesn't make sense to blame it on the boogeyman, "niwaka-ota".

I'm sure kimoi-ota love loli and moe more than anyone else. It's the unacceptability that they revel in.

>>10064191
You shouldn't care about where you stand as an "otaku". Quite frankly, if you aren't Japanese the term doesn't apply to you. Imagine a Japanese guy calling himself part of the "toonami generation". Without exposure to the conditions and setting that brought about the subculture, how could you possibly label yourself part of it?

>>10064204
A troll as in the OP purposely mistranslated the examples.

>>10064228
What is the correct translation?

>>10064191
doesn't niwaka mean "suddenly" or something like that?
so a niwaka is someone who has suddenly "decided" that they are an otaku.
basically a tryhard newfag that for some reason thinks "otaku" is a badge of honor instead of a fairly deprecating term.

Basically Danny Choo and his band of otakool merriment.

>>10064250
>Basically a tryhard newfag
pot kettle black

>>10064225
>You shouldn't care about where you stand as an "otaku". Quite frankly, if you aren't Japanese the term doesn't apply to you. Imagine a Japanese guy calling himself part of the "toonami generation". Without exposure to the conditions and setting that brought about the subculture, how could you possibly label yourself part of it?

You're comparing different things. Saying you're part of the "toonami generation" is a statement about what you did in the past, when you were younger. Saying you are an otaku is talking about what you are and the things you are interested in.

>>10064266
Also I don't think there is a subculture of people who watched Toonami when they were kids. that doesn't make any sense.

I know KyoAni is king nowadays, but I wish we had more Gainax style (animation wise) shows too.

I'm prefer the FLCL, Diebuster, Abenobashi, etc... style of animation (and to an extent, character design. I really can't bring myself to "like" the K-On, Hyouka, Haruhi S2, etc... look. I can only tolerate it) plus the wacky shit that Gainax used to pull was pretty fun.

>>10064266
Yes, they're a little different, I couldn't come up with an example off the top of my head. I was hoping you would get the idea.
Here's a better example. Take the Atlanta trap music subculture and compare it to West Coast G-funk and it'll make more sense. With something rooted in a foreign culture, there's a natural disconnect with everything associated with it. You may have an interest, but can you really call yourself a part of that subculture? Even if I grew up in a ghetto in LA, can I call myself part of the trap crews? No, I cannot. We may all be gangbangers or rappers, but there are nuances that make these two distinct groups.

>>10064292
Eh, I miss it too. Still, I can't deny KyoAni's technical skill. They're very good at what they do and it's a particular aesthetic that I welcome.

>>10064304
I know KyoAni is good, I don't think many people will deny that. I'm impressed with their technical skill and I can see why they're so successful. I didn't really get into K-On or Hyouka, but I do enjoy Chu2.

It's just that I miss the really energetic and wild animation that Gainax used to do.

>>10064304
I do see your point, but I'm not sure I would say a westerner could not be an otaku. I think my hesitation is due to the fact that otaku is more about being interested in certain things, rather than being part of a recognizable physical group. That's not to say that otaku cannot often be recognized physically, so I hope you know what I mean. Is an otaku in Japan who never leaves his room really that different from an "otaku" in America who knows Japanese and similarly does not leave his room? I don't think so. I don't think cultural differences are strong enough to create a large disparity there, especially since they aren't the core of the issue.

>>10064264
I knew that accusation would be thrown at me.
I decided to post it anyway because I don't give a shit. I've been on the *chan scene since 2006.

>>10064332
>I've been on the *chan scene since 2006

Fucking hxc bro

>>10064319
Gainax could also appeal to people outside the anime bubble. I know someone who hated anime, yet liked FLCL.

>>10064332
>Because I don't give a shit
Last year not seeming as new as you are was all you ever cared about in the world, though.

>>10064327
Not him, but "Otaku" on /a/ is different than "Otaku" in Japan.

Ot/a/ku = The Japanese ヲタク(w/otaku).
western equivalents are commonly called weeaboos (though, many dislike this name due to associations with unpleasant groups and prefer to be called anime enthusiasts/fans or something else)

Japanese Otaku = Any person with intense interest in any subject (train otaku, car otaku, anime otaku, videogame otaku,etc...) Japanese Otaku embrance their status as untouchables/uglies/weirdos.

>>10064357
We're not talking about /a/.

>>10064357
And before anyone tries to say that weeaboo = must worship Japan. This distinction is secondary, it did not have such a nuance until later on when people felt the need to distance themselves from gaia, and later reddit.

>>10064319
Me too, man. Panty and Stocking wasn't so bad. I wish they would put out an OVA or something.

>>10064327
>otaku is more about being interested in certain things, rather than being part of a recognizable physical group
This is where I must disagree. The few postmodern analyses of the otaku subculture I've read categorizes them as a product of post-WWII Japanese culture. What this means is that they're a uniquely Japanese phenomenon that extends beyond what they like. Their hobbies are only the manifestation of the forces that have brought them there. From the atomic bombings to the World Expo '70 that could have driven the first generation SF otaku to the vilification after the Tokyo Subway attacks and Miyazaki serial murders that shape the current form of unacceptable ”ダメ”　oriented otaku.

What I'm saying is that it would be ridiculous for myself to identify as an "otaku" (despite loving the culture) because I have not experienced any of these forces in the slightest. It's not about the image, but the things that have created its form. Like a dish stewing in a pot, you can only call yourself part of the dish if you're in the pot. Besides, what's wrong with "nerd"? Or rather, why the need for a label at all? I like what I like; that's enough for me.

>>10064373
But does /jp/ even want to consider itself generic otaku? I thought /jp/ was a bit different in that respect. /jp/ isn't so much general otakudom but more interested in being(pretending) hardcore NEET/Hiki.

Hack general.

>>10064388
And I think that despite this, the product (the Japanese otaku and the western "otaku") can be similar. Different cultural forces can create a similar thing. I don't think a different process requires a wholly different categorization of product when the product is similar. I'm not trying to say anyone who likes video games a lot, or something, in the west is an otaku. I'm saying that a similar person or group can exist in the west.

>>10064406
Rei likes sucking off Gendo's hot manmeat but Anno couldn't say that on camera to a little grade school girl

As a whitey It's just easier to say neckbeard.

>>10064413
He could have said that she likes playing with Gendo.

>>10064419
He is not very quick witted

>They say it’s over for animation in Japan. When we look for new hires only women respond, and I get the feeling that we’re done for. In our last hurrah we borrow from outside staff (i.e. outsource), but soon we won’t be able to do that forever.
-Hayao Miyazaki

>>10064411
>I don't think a different process requires a wholly different categorization of product when the product is similar
That's a fair point, but if we seek to actually explore and study the culture it makes sense. Consider the difference between hikkikomori and shut-in. There are cultural nuances that separate one from each other. Though both similar, one is brought about by more specific conditions which is important to know and which is why it exists as a separate /concept/. To covet one term because it's Japanese is shortsighted and implies a lack of understanding of the nuance that defines it. This is the central problem of foreigners self-identifying as "otaku". They don't understand that even otaku don't self-identify, at least, not as brazenly as these kids do. To use the word loosely or misappropriate it is to ignore the connotative implications of it as well as the concept itself. Look at "hentai", "fanservice", and "moe".

>a similar person or group can exist in the west.
Definitely, but we have our own terms for these people.

>>10064432
Now here's a real hack.

>>10064432
>When we look for new hires only women respond

Is this bad....?

>>10064413
I never watched EVA is this true?

>>10064507
Yes, though they obviously don't actually show it, just hint at it.

>>10064441
All right, fair enough.

>>10064507
Rei has a very specific purpose and role in the series. She's a fairly unusual sort of character.
It'd be very reasonable to say that Rei herself almost certainly, for the most part, has no idea what sort of things she likes; she's actively discovering that in the show.
She's a fairly blank slate.

What are Rei's ten desires?

You know, I like Evangelion, but at the same time REALLY loathe the legacy it created.

>>10064612
Could you be more specific? I'm guessing you're not just talking about rabid fans.

>>10064406
>what does Rei like...I have nerver thought about it

[Anno] The truth is, I have no emotional attachment to Rei at all. In the midst of making Eva, I suddenly realized that I had forgotten her. Her very existence. For example, in episode seven, I remembered and added one shot with Rei. I had no attachment to her at all, right? I think that was okay, because in episode eight, she doesn’t appear, right? Not even in a single shot. Episode 6 was too early. At the end Rei says "I don’t know what to do," and Shinji says, "I think you should smile," and Rei smiles. … Afterwards, when I thought about it, I cursed. In short, if she and Shinji completely "communicated" there, then isn’t she over with? At that moment, Rei, for me, was finished. When she smiled, she was already finished, this character.

>>10064743
That's bullshit but I believe it.

>>10064743
Hella character depth.

>>10064743
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>>10064679
The fans are a part of the problem, but there's something about this franchise that screams indoctrination. It's practically treated like the Citizen Kane of medium, but it definitely doesn't feel like one.

>>10064743
faggot

>>10064780
What good does quoting the filename do?

It can't reply to you!!

>>10064780
He could have simply done a google image search and gotten it. It often gives tumblr results.

He's 100% correct, anyone who disagrees is in intense denial.

Hideaki "I chose the name because it sounded complicated" Anno.

>>10064837
>It's practically treated like the Citizen Kane of medium, but it definitely doesn't feel like one.

Evangelion is not a turning point for anime history, it's the END.

It's not just a story drama. the theme about Evangelion is otaku's life (or more precisely Anno's life)

I would say most of people underrated NGE becasue they don't get this part.

The mystic sci-fi plot is a vehicle for the development, the gaint robot and the boshojo is the environment, the show is about a introver kid rejecting the ideal and accepting the real. It's a self help book in anime form to help otaku and Anno himself.

The sad thing is NGE actually created third generation otaku, becasue normalfag watched it and did't get it. SHAFT's Shinbo said we had the otaku market today becasue NGE hit it big.

and here's Anno talking about rebuild.

2012, Asahi newspaper
-- In Eva, there was a criticism of those fans who turned away from reality and escaped to the work. Has that consciousness remained unchanged?

>Anno: In the original Eva, there were many people who took something that I created as a source of amusement beyond those limits and made it into an object of dependence. I wanted to take responsibility for the fact that such people had been so "inflated." I wanted to bring the work back within the boundaries of entertainment. However, I have now withdrawn from dealing with it. Such people will not change no matter what I say. I now well understand that there is nothing I can do.

>>10064940
>Evangelion is not a turning point for anime history, it's the END.

What?

I am in constant change. But I think I still retain my childish innocence.

>>10064940
Oh god facing reality is so great. I'm just dying to have kids and a whore wife and get shit on at work all the time.

>>10065013
That's not reality. That's your caricature of reality.

Reality is not forcing you to get married. You're so far down your rabbit hole that you don't even know what reality is anymore.

>>10065013
And this here is the problem with "otaku". They have a complete disinterest in having a successful life and just want to consume the same things forever.

>>10065059
So? Why is that bad? Because I value different things than you?

>>10065057
Then what would you like me to do? Give up the things I like and work all day? I don't get the point.

>>10065072
That's like asking whether a child should eventually give up playing in the sandbox or buying happy meals for toys.

>>10065094
Okay, I'll just stop doing things I like for no reason. Thanks.

>>10064890
>Hideaki "I chose the name because it sounded complicated" Anno.

Evangelion in kanji is '福音' (literally translate: the voice of happiness / message of happiness / bring blessing)

It sure sounded complicated, but this is why Anno chose 'Evangelion' as title

>"It didn’t have such a deep meaning. Although I seem to get attacked when I say this. The title was appended with a vague reason, something like, “please bring about happiness.”

>" I wonder if a person over the age of twenty who likes robot and boshojo anime is really happy. He could find greater happiness elsewhere. Regrettably, I have my doubts about his happiness........As I was making this work I wanted to try to consider what in the world could the ‘happiness’ of such a person be?”

>>10065099
Learning to control your desires is one of the signs of maturity. That's why you don't just break out masturbating in the middle of public, since you can control your desire. There are two ways two deal with desires: the fulfillment of them, and the elimination of the desire in the first place. Most people stuck in childhood are unable to learn the latter.

>>10065113
You've still given no reason that I should bother giving up what I enjoy when I don't have to. I don't see the point in enjoying myself less so I can achieve some arbitrary standard of being an "adult" to use Anno's words. All you've said is basically, "Well other people do it so you should too."

>>10065126
I don't particularly care what other people do. However, what I do recognize is that I have more freedom to act if I am subject to less desires that I need to fulfill. Don't you ever get bored if you have too much of one thing?

>>10065135
Freedom to do what? Things you don't desire to do? I would rather do what I do desire to do.

In Japan, argumentum ad populum is not a fallacy.

>>10065159
I guess you really enjoy your individuality then.

le 16 years old qoute about /jp/

Hideaki Anno talk about internet
>"I think the people who are very much involved with the internet," Mr. Anno said, "have very narrow views toward life and the world. They're always in their rooms and don't go out very often to communicate in person. Because of their information on the internet, they feel they know everything without searching the real truths." They easily and anonymously say things that they would never say in person. "Their messages are like graffiti in a public toilet." They attack other while they are staying in a safe place. "They don't have anything certain to hold on... that's probably why they watch anime shows. I would like to add and say to those fans, hey, go out and visit towns. I am 35 now and I am realizing the importance of human contact little by little..." [June 1996 issue of NEWTYPE]

>>10064837
It completely changed what anime could be by taking everything it was about and amplifying it or subverting it. It's the essential anime as an allegory of the rise and fall of otaku subculture. The reason it doesn't feel like one is because you are removed from the it culturally. In both style and message, NGE is incredibly important because at the time, and still today, it's something that otaku (and people in general) desperately need to hear. The sad irony is that the message is completely missed in favor of the aesthetic or setting. I think the Rebuild films are nothing more than a reworking to please this demographic.

>>10064993
Not him, but I understand. It's both a celebration and condemnation of the subculture. Throughout the series is the theme of failure and moving on. As a crucial player in the anime scene, Anno felt partly responsible for the sad state the otaku had taken. By EoE, Anno is practically screaming in our faces that the insanity must end. When we take into account how Tsutomu Miyazaki was on the mind throughout the 90's, how depressed Anno was, and the fact that the Aum Shinrikyo attacks occurred around the time the series was broadcast, it makes sense. It was meant to change the direction the subculture was heading, but instead it focused it into what it is today.

In an essay I read about the topic, the author had stated how NGE was the zenith of anime and that all the sentiments that came before it were condensed into an expression of "otaku life" as a failure. Everything after NGE is just fallout because what needed to be said was finally said. Of course, this really only works under the assumption that anime and manga work to express the latent complications of the socially crippled "children" that were born from the aftermath of WWII.

>>10065253
Go to bed Anno.

>>10065253
>I think the Rebuild films are nothing more than a reworking to please this demographic.
I don't think so. Anno is lying when he said he really wanted to cater to a wider audience. In order for him to get his message across, he HAS to get to a wider audience. He HAS to expose the faults of the current otaku subculture (and Japanese society) so that more people will understand what made it the sludge that it is today.

The message of Evangelion is still intact in the new movies. And both movies are more focused on their messages. The messages are even written in the movies' English titles.

Whether Evangelion will change anime again is the deal here. Will it revitalize the subculture? Will it inspire creators to do away with the original series' shadow and create works that are accessible to all (like what Miyazaki is doing)?

ITT shii

>>10065281
I don't know. To be fair, it's a little early to tell. Of course, the message is still there, but I think it's much more subdued than it was before. Sure the message is in the title, but a lot of people don't think about it or just write it off as "it sounds cool". Moreover, I don't know if it's Anno or Tsurumaki, but the characterization is all different this time with much clearer appeals to fetish-camps. All the Eva girls have lost their edge, reworked into what I see as caricatures of what they were. If this is done on purpose then it will be a touch of brilliance, again too early to tell. I'm afraid it might be otherwise, though.

>Will it revitalize the subculture
I honestly doubt it. They didn't get it the first time when it was directed at them. I don't see how expanding the focus would make it any different, especially when egregious marketing and promotion risks obfuscating the message.

Honestly, I don't see a problem with the current subculture. It exists in a state that is unique and produces and consumes things that only it can produce and consume. Some call it stagnant, but I think it's quite marvelous. It will inevitably change with time; meanwhile, we should enjoy the ride.

Rebuild : Anno is trolling himself

[speaking about adding in Mari]
>At any rate, when it came down to actually increasing her appearances, I couldn’t fit her in at all. It just wasn’t possible for her to appear. The original Evangelion had been more rigidly made than I had thought. There was no real margin for new elements to enter into the story or into the drama. I created the original series by selecting the best ways of doing things that I could think of at the time, so if I damaged one element, other elements would become damaged as part of a chain reaction. At the end, I started to get less and less interested in doing it.

>This was difficult to deal with. The work was more than ten years old, but still, I had created it myself, so it wasn’t easy for me to damage. This isn’t self-congratulation - I was forced to again recognize that the "flow" was very well constructed. The original Evangelion was entirely created from my unembellished feelings and my improvised writings, so it was not completed according to a theory. As a result, I thought I would get other people, outsiders, to help me destroy it - Tsurumaki in particular. In addition, there’s parts of myself that are different compared to that time. So, I tried to change [Eva]. It was a battle with my so-called past self, my self eleven years ago. It took a great deal of inner strength.

>>10064743
> Anno makes a walking plot devices and forgets about her.

>>10065517
You know, I really respect him as an auteur. I feel people don't give him enough credit. He's a man that understands the implications of creation. He has vision.

>>10065539
What's an auteur? That a new word for autist?

>>10065135
Your entire argument:
> anime is for kiddies
> tfwnogf

Look how low his forehead is. There must be nothing in his head. What a fucking mongoloid.

>>10065548
What have you created superior white neetshit?

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>>10065555
you crossed the beams

>>10065553
Countless quality posts on 4chan, the likes of which your feeble mind cannot even begin to comprehend.

>>10065572
Hopefully they don't resemble this one.

>>10065573
In retrospect maybe they were QUALITY posts.

>>10065573
I C E B U R N

>>10065589
Never, since the world is ending in a month.

I was scrolling down this thread, when it hit me that the 3rd rebuild comes out tomorrow. The most intense waves of... either ASMR or frisson, whatever, intense sensations emanating from my head throughout my body. My eyes got a little teary.
I truly love this man and his creation.
How long before it's on the internet, subtitled?

>>10065592
Yes, but that's plenty of time for at least a cam-rip to be upped and subbed, right?

>>10065589
At the latest, three days from now.

>>10065595
I don't know, how does Eva's popularity compare to Haruhi? It took 2 months for a subbed Disappearance camrip.

I'm sick of people telling me that I'm only pretending to like the things I like and am just not aware of it. Why does literally every single thing I do have to be put into question by others, even here on /jp/? Why can't I just enjoy things because I enjoy them? Why must everything have a ridiculous ulterior motive behind it?

>>10065617
Because you're projecting.

>>10065617
Are you that asshole from before who complained about being unable to enjoy all sorts of things because of people talking shit about them?

>>10065602
If time-to-internet is a measure of popularity, and >>10065601 is at all close, then Eva is hilariously more popular.

It's just a shame we'll be gone before the 4th one, eh?

>>10065621
Yes, but I don't know what I did to make you call me an asshole.

>>10065617
I don't know what you're going off about. You're free to enjoy whatever you want. If you voice that, however, people have the right to respond however they please.

>>10065625
Maybe it'll just be like the Second Impact.

Just a reminder that in a few hours we'll get the first 6 minutes and 30 seconds of Evangelion Q AKA You Can (Not) Redo

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-10-15/evangelion/3.0-film-1st-7-minutes-to-air-before-open
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-- Now even businessmen are debating the mysteries of "Eva" in bars. (laugh)

>KT - (laugh) For example, Hideaki Anno says that, "Anime fans are too introverted, and need to get out more." Further, he should be happy that non-anime fans are watching his work, right? But when all is said and done, Hideaki Anno's comments on "Evangelion" + "Evangelion" are that it is a message aimed at anime fans including himself, and of course, me too. In other words, it's useless for non-anime fans to watch it. If a person who can already live and communicate normally watches it, they won't learn anything.

-- But, don't all the people watching "Evangelion" now actually have this type of anime-fan complex? Doesn't everyone share some feelings of uneasiness at not being able to get along with the world.

>KT - Yes, maybe that's so. Hideaki Anno's statements certainly are true when looking at the small circle of anime fans, but stepping back and looking at the much wider circle of Japanese people in general, we may find many of the same types of problems. They're not problems specific to just anime fans.

>>10065627
I call everyone an asshole. You're an asshole, I'm an asshole, moot's an asshole, ZUN's an asshole, everyone's an asshole! It's a fuckin' world of assholes!

>>10065631
I'm talking about the discussion about niwaka otaku that happened half-way through this thread. That good old days anon is completely out of his mind, trying to force upon others the delusion that anyone who has different interest than him is just pretending.

>>10065641
I had responded to it. Don't take it too seriously, he and "otaku" like him are just insecure about their hobbies being overtaken. It's an understandable feeling. I don't understand why you would feel so strongly about it. They're just arbitrary lines drawn in the sand.

>>10065589
>I truly love this man and his creation.
Have you seen any of his other work?

>>10065589
By the way, guys, it's still happening every few minutes. I think I might have had an Eva-triggered stroke.

Can someone give me some info on the generations of otaku?

For example, people say that EVA gave birth to the third generation of otaku. What were the other two?

>>10065655
First and second generation.

>>10065655
Gundam and...Macross?

>>10065655
"There are two or three generations of otaku culture, with very big gaps between the first and third generation. First generation otaku stayed outside of society. Their culture was regarded as childish, and fringe. Now, the youngest generation of otakus, people in their teens or 20s, think of otaku culture as mass culture. Older generation intellectuals may not use e-mail, they do not play video games, they know nothing about otaku culture. But the younger generation grew up with anime and games; to them, anime is a hero of Japanese culture. So it is natural for them, if they are interested in sociology or networking or postmodernism, to study anime or games."

http://www.gwern.net/otaku

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>>10065655
Disney Inspired trend (Astro Boy)
Mech trend (Gundam)
Girl based trend (EVA)

>>10065670
That's a very productive post. In an effort to imply that you heavily agree with his statement or basically have the same thing to say, you direct us to that very post, which already read, multiple times. Great job!

>>10065655
If I'm not mistaken:

1. Post-WWII and the popularization of television/western media (tokusatsu/SF)
2. Anime boom SF/mecha (pre-Eva)
3. Modern "moe" otaku (post-Eva)

You can track it by decades too. I think the first otaku appeared in the 70s and by then they were already in their 30+ years or so. Their children grew up in the 80's and 90's. Now it's the new millennium.

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>>10065013
I want to talk/debate about this subject with normals but I don't know where to do so.
I'm considering /r9k/ but I think that will just end in a normals making the same point over and over with no justification

I can change almost anything... but I can't change human nature.

>>10065648
Not much, honestly. I will eventually, but when I like something by an author this much, it's scary checking out their other works.

Back in 90s, more than 50 unofficial guidebooks were published to help people understand Evangelion

Reading about EVA here and what I already know about Shinji makes this series seem really sad and I am going to watch it to study the true meaning.

Evangelion a bore

>>10065676
nobody will read it otherwise

>>10065682
>I'm considering /r9k/ but I think that will just end in a normals making the same point over and over with no justification

That's all they will ever do, since the entire "you should grow up!" argument is based around an arbitrary value set.

>>10065704
How do you know?

>>10065696
if it has to be explained externally then the director probably isn't good at writing/expressing theme's properly

>>10065706
He can see you.

>>10065707
magical apostrophe

>>10065709
Pls no bully

>>10065707
Not necessarily, aren't classics discussed ad nauseum in all types of media?

>>10058995
Arguably, you've got that backwards. It seems that most anime otaku, at least, had interests outside of anime itself in previous decades, whereas nowadays, pretty much everyone seems to like little more than anime, manga, visual novels, video games, and masturbation.

>>10065713
I apologise.

>>10065655
http://books.google.com/books/about/Otaku.html?id=HhuHWI0Giu0C

This book is good if you want to learn about it but I can't find a free download of it.
>>10065681
60s actually.

>>10065707
>if it has to be explained externally then the director probably isn't good at writing/expressing theme's properly

[Anno Hideaki] “Evangelion is like a puzzle, you know. Any person can see it and give his/her own answer. In other words, we’re offering viewers to think by themselves, so that each person can imagine his/her own world. We will never offer the answers, even in the theatrical version. As for many Evangelion viewers, they may expect us to provide the ‘all-about Eva’ manuals, but there is no such thing. Don’t expect to get answers by someone. Don’t expect to be catered to all the time. We all have to find our own answers.”

>>10065721
I'm not sure if that's sincerity or just copping out.

>>10065727
It's "pls watch my movie".

>>10065727

Stanley Kubrick talk about 2001: A Space Odyssey
" You're free to speculate as you wish about the philosophical and allegorical meaning of the film—and such speculation is one indication that it has succeeded in gripping the audience at a deep level—but I don't want to spell out a verbal road map for 2001 that every viewer will feel obligated to pursue or else fear he's missed the point."

>>10065700
Become familiar with otaku culture and its history and the series makes a lot of sense.

>>10065707
Or maybe they're just cashing in on something successful. The themes are practically shouted into your face, it's hard to miss them.

>>10065720
>60s
Makes more sense actually considering that's when television sets became the norm and tv anime started broadcasting.

>>10065720
Never mind, I found it.

http://www.mediafire.com/?h8cjro4tsjdbdbr

>1. Post-WWII and the popularization of television/western media (tokusatsu/SF)
but Anno said Yamato started it all

Anno: "If not for Yamato, Japan might not have anime now. Neither anime fans nor Otakus would have been born. Yamato started it all."

Anno: "When I first saw Yamato, I was at the age where we were expected to "graduate" from watching anime. Because I saw it, I continued watching after middle school. It was my whole life in high school. The first animation cel I painted was of Yamato. I shot it with an 8mm camera to make it look like it was flying forward. That was my first self-produced anime. Seeing Yamato got me into anime."

>1. Post-WWII and the popularization of television/western media (tokusatsu/SF)
but Anno said Yamato started it all

Anno: "If not for Yamato, Japan might not have anime now. Neither anime fans nor Otakus would have been born. Yamato started it all."

Anno: "When I first saw Yamato, I was at the age where we were expected to "graduate" from watching anime. Because I saw it, I continued watching after middle school. It was my whole life in high school. The first animation cel I painted was of Yamato. I shot it with an 8mm camera to make it look like it was flying forward. That was my first self-produced anime. Seeing Yamato got me into anime."

The first generation centers on those who were born around 1960 and saw Space Battleship Yamato (Uchusenkan Yamato, Matsumoto Reiji,1974) and Mobile Suit Gundam (Kido senshi Gandamu, Tomino Yoshi -yuki, 1979) during their teen years. The second generation is made up of those who were born around 1970 and, during their teens, enjoyed the diversified and matured otaku culture produced by the preceding generation. The third generation consists of those who were bornaround 1980 and were junior high school students at the time of the Neon Genesis Evangelion boom.

>>10065744
One, Anno's concept isn't the only one that matters.

Two, it's the same group. The people that grew up with tokusatsu, the World Expo '70, and SF anime are regarded as the first generation otaku. Yamato falls into that range.

Three, Yamato, as influential as it was, was still influenced by the anime before it. If we want to talk about the start of television anime, it's Astro Boy/Tetsuwan Atomu.

>>10065763
Really? Does that make the current generation 4th or 5th? How are these generations divided? Aesthetic trend?

>>10065777
>Really? Does that make the current generation 4th or 5th? How are these generations divided? Aesthetic trend?

That was quote from the book.

"The interests of each of these groups differ slightly. For instance, though the passion for comic, anime, and computers reaches across generations, the first generation’s interest in science fic-tion and B -grade movies has been replaced in the third generation by a thorough fascination with mysteries and computer games. Further-more, third -generation otaku experienced the spread of the Internet during their teens, and, as a result, their main forum for general fan activities has moved to Web sites, and their interest in illustrations, to computer graphics. Both distribution routes and forms of expression greatly differ from those of earlier generations."

So the interest is not just limited to anime.

>>10065706
if everybody read it and absorbed the statement for what it meant, this thread would be at page 10 right now

>>10065741
>brace up Evangelion every 3 pages

>>10064292
>Anyone missing Diebuster and Abenobashi.

Dohoho.

>>10066225
Abenobashi was fun.

Read Denpa Otoko, the book Tohru Honda wrote (And if you don't know who that is, you shouldn't be on /jp/) following the Densha Otoko popularity explosion in 2005.

It's pretty much essential reading for anyone who wants an insight into the otaku subculture. Otaku will always be otaku, and no amount of media hype will change this because the subculture remains. The Yamato generation are still out there, they're the directors and writers of today; the ones you hear complaining about the state of anime and Akihabara.

If you were visiting Akiba back in the late 90s and carried on visiting all the way through to the present day, you'll have noticed the change and you'll also realize why it isn't a natural change coursed by the 'next generation'. It's very artificial and thanks to that Akihabara is almost unvisitable at the moment.

>>10065648
Even if he hadn't his statement makes perfect sense.

He said "creation". Singular. And if one great work is enough to make him love the guy then that's his decision.

>>10066271
>(And if you don't know who that is, you shouldn't be on /jp/

I google searched and it gave me a wikipedia page for an anime character.

>>10066315

Not Tohru Honda from Fruits Basket obviously. If you're looking for an english wikipedia article you're obviously not going to find it. Information on otaku culture is poorly documented in english.

Otaku culture is best culture
Fuck Anno and his Otaku hating sermons

>>10065736
I thought Kubrick looked like such a boss until I found out seconds ago that he's a Jew. Always figured he was Italian or something.

>>10061028
>Tomino as the great anime director of japan
That isnt shinbo, yamada or mizushima.
These old farts are old and busted and belong in the museum.

>>10063060
I'm happy.

>>10066345
Well how/where can I read this book?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV4jBw9Tu2k

>>10066390
>moe kawaiicrap
>head tilts
>random slideshows

you guys need to read this book.

Otaku is dead. 80/90s Otaku is.

today there is another Otaku.

srsly read it.

>>10066592
Hey, I'm a 90s otaku and I'm still here. I just camouflage myself.

>>10066592
I only really skimmed through this thread, so I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but I wonder if the death of Japanese otaku has comparisons to whats happening the west. That is, with the advent of web 2.0 the internet kind of opened up, so we no longer have just the traditional western geeks spending time here, but rather pretty much every level of society. To me its pretty clear the massive changes this had on the internet, and using 4chan as an example, we went from a site catering to very niche group to a much more diverse community.

>>10066387
A Jewish director? It can't be.

>>10066592
The kids that grew up on mecha changed.
Just how long can one sustain on huge robots? They are no longer kids.

>>10066609
Just my random thoughts on it, it kind of seems like its been a negative thing but with how fluid the internet is, its really hard to say just yet.

>>10066609
>That is, with the advent of web 2.0 the internet kind of opened up, so we no longer have just the traditional western geeks spending time here, but rather pretty much every level of society. To me its pretty clear the massive changes this had on the internet, and using 4chan as an example, we went from a site catering to very niche group to a much more diverse community.
You could've said that the internet is now infested with normals.

>>10066592

How are they dead? They're still around, Hint: don't look around Akihabara for Otaku because you won't find any. It's a tourist trap now.

>>10066673
I suppose I could have, I also could have just wrote greentext bullet points as well.

>>10063214
Whom doest thou quoth*

>>10065059
>They have a complete disinterest in having a successful life
>I'm just dying to have kids and a whore wife and get shit on at work all the time
>implying a wife (possibly cheating because you spend too much time at work/on your hobbies instead of on her 24/7), annoying kids and a shitty office work is successful, instead of a complete failure at life.
a life can't be considered successful until you reach beyond the boring, sheep level life.

you don't need a wife for success. most of the truly successful people don't have ones, they juggle lovers and one night stands.

they don't have actual kids to take care of, they have bastards they don't even need to have contact with.

they also don't have some "stable office job", they have money making machines/corporations that work for them and make their money.

that is real success at life.

>>10067034
NOW THATS WHAT I CALL EDGY

>>10065705
>>10065682
I'm think I'm gonna try it
not sure how to start the thread though

>>10067083
don't you mean reality? that's how it is in real life, you don't call the sheep successful. you call the millionaires like gates or the big name actors successful, and they are.

they actually succeeded at life, not at the mediocrity regular normals go for, then give up when they reach it rather than expanding upon that.

a man without real, big ambitions can never become successful. the "get a wife, house, some kids and a boring office work then die of old age" is as small as it gets, the cookie cutter ambition that can barely be called one.

I thought being successful was having a "Stable life" not "Making millions of dollars"

>>10067107
having just a stable life is no success yet, it's the bare minimum, the base from which you can start aiming for the top, and actual success without having to worry about starvation or having your roads to success blocked.

success is to excel above everyone else, to succeed at obtaining what everyone else failed to.

>>10065668
"In a previous conversation we had for a magazine article, you said, "Otaku is about the vector toward dame." As a way of expanding on that, when otaku choose this orientation, they head in the direction of becoming more and more pathetic. At the same time, they enjoy watching themselves becoming increasingly unacceptable. If you think about it, in a very, very loose sense, this is wabi and sabi. I suspect this orientation is inherent in Japanese aesthetics. If you look for a Western equivalent, it would be Decadence, or the Baroque, though theirs is a tendency toward excessive decorativeness. I imagine such people think of themselves not in terms of "See what we’ve done. We’re amazing," but more like, "See what we’ve done! How pathetic we are!"

This is good stuff.

>>10067034
Who are you quoting?

>>10067119
>success is to excel above everyone else, to succeed at obtaining what everyone else failed to.
So that means Having a stable life is already success over homeless and jobless people

Can someone sum this thread up for me? I dont want to read through every single post.

>>10067144
BUY EVANGELION DVDS

>>10067141
>>10067141
in a way, if those jobless people are poor.

if they still have more money and live a more relaxed, luxurious life then nope. they still succeeded over you, because they got the end result (money) without work/much work, while you have to work your ass to get to where they are and live a comparable, free life.

Anno threads are always the worst threads

>>10067266
everytime I see anno I think you guys re saying "um.." in japanese like a shy person

so essentially i read your post like

"...u-umm these t-threads are the worst threads..."

>>10067269
Sounds cute.

Good thing you can''t see the fat neckbeard who posted it.

>>10067144
20 year old otaku masters complain about the "death" of their Japanese brethren.

>>10067101

Why do people equate making money to success? I hear this particularly from Americans, I hope you were better educated than that.

>>10066867
That would actually be, "Whom dost thou quote?" or "Whom quotest thou?"

>>10067406
the money was just a part of it, in today's capitalist world it's necessary. even the communist and religious fundamentalist shitholes are all about money, if the muslim oil company owners are any indication.

true success is to be on the top. not among countless peers, but above everyone else.

>>10067456
Thanks

wow... this really is like the most pathetic board on 4chan isn't it?

You people need help.

>>10067604
will you give it to us

/pol/ here. I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. /jp/ is best board.

>>10067604
>>10067635
I-is this what they call "shitposting normalfags"?

>>10067715
honestly it's kind of refreshing to see shitposting normalfags as opposed to the everyday shitposting autistic fucks

>>10068055
You can have your fill of it on other boards, faggot.

>>10067144
We were lamenting the rise of illiteracy among today's youth.

ANNO HERE
ONE DAY I SAY TO MYSERF
HOW CAN ANIME I MAKE BE SUCCESFURU
?
I THINK TO MYSERF
PEEPARU RUV DEEP ANIME BUT ARWRARYS GET BORED OF IT ONCE THEY THINK THEY FIGURED IT OUT
SO I MAKE ANIME THAT JUST ROOKS DEEP
SO THEY CAN'T FIGURE IT OUT
BUT KEEP TRYING

>>10070255
THIS WERE MY顔WHEN