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>>22284951
Yes. There's also several mention of someone keeping tabs on the group. There are spies, and it's a bit of a mystery to guess who it is. Although I don't think anyone has even bothered to figure it out beyond my guesses. Judging from the themes, I argue that you can guess who it is based on whether they stopped thinking or haven't mentioned anything they value or love.
After a close rereading of Ciconia, nearly every character reveals something that they value.

>>22271573
Also, the context was given by Koshka at the end of Phase 1: the problem with the world is that it lacks love. That is the premise for judging whether a character is a spy. When you understand that nihilism originates form four different requirements:

-a hatred of the metaphysics of reality (basically that reality is limited because A is A, etc)
-a hatred of the self through self-loathing (the internalized view you are incapable of doing anything, thereby you hate yourself for not being capable of accomplishing anything)
-a resentful hatred of others and values beyond mere envy for the previous two (others can accomplish something, and I hate that they can achieve excellence and that I can't)
-an inability or rejection to find any sense of joy in life (small pleasures such as drinking coffee, eating good food, seeking short term joy is bad)

If you do not value or love anything, you become nihilistic and accept the destruction of the world. Ryukishi also emphasizes that if you stop thinking for yourself, you live by the thinking of others according to obligation or duty.

>>22271588
>pls give me the answers
With Noor, I have nothing, so I haven't passed judgment on her. Mariana mentioned that she loves Gaunet whenever she's cute. She's not the spy. Gannet is hyper-emotional with her friends because she values them. That removes her from being the spy.

>Of course Ryukishi planned everything and it'll click in the future, but even in Umineko and Higurashi, more important and relevant characters were introduced in later arcs which gave more meaning to the earlier arcs.
That's the equivalent of saying 'of course Ryukishi foreshadowed everything but he gave more hints and then later revealed the culprit'. Like, no shit, but my point is that the foreshadowing is still there. Telling me that my examples are weak when Sujatha barely has any lines for me to work with is undercutting the methodology of logic itself.
The reasoning with Sujatha is
1- The monologue narration would not be a lie because it makes no sense to lie her to herself to trick the audience since there is no meta.
2- You can read monologues of the spies a few time without knowing their face, meaning that monologue narrations are truthful regardless of whether a character is a spy or not.
3- Not everyone has monologue narration. And the few times they happen must not be ignored.

I'm currently going through the VN again to make sure I have every possible line of dialogue of character valuing something or loving anything.