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>>37314931
Ange's scenes are always rather complicated in a temporal sense, but actually follow rather linearly. The one and only meeting with Hachijo Tohya in EP6 (keep in mind she's never referred to as Ikuko until EP8, when talking about the true Human rather than Featherine's vessel, thus already feeding the idea something about this meeting is different from the other) is meant to happen after EP4, even though Ange went to Rokkenjima, met Kasumi and died. In fact, there's a version of those events where Ange never even managed to have that meeting at all, which Ange recalls before Hachijo enters the room.
>"That's not it. ...I mean, I was able to get an appointment with Professor Ootsuki, but the publishing company never got back to me about Itouikukuro, ...so in the end, I was stuck unable to do anything that entire day, ...right?"
>"Huh?"
>"Amakusa, ...you went to go get that large black bag, didn't you...?"
>That's right. Just before we left for Niijima, Amakusa and I parted ways just one time. ...He said something about getting a weapon from an acquaintance of his, and he went to go get that large black bag.
Ange even proceeds to point out she never actually met Hachijo:
>Yes, I did try to contact Hachijo Tohya.
>But in the end, I never got a chance to meet her.
>In other words, all of this is a falsehood.
Therefore, the Ange from EP4 managed to end up in that meeting in EP6 on a day that didn't actually happen, which means either Ange's mind travelled back in time to a meeting that didn't occur previously, thus implying that the timeline itself changed to allow this meeting to occur on a day it once didn't, or that the meeting never really happened, the setting itself being merely a mask for Featherine to have her meeting with Ange.
In reality, Ange never even did what was shown in EP4 if you follow with the Magic ending, as she's put back on the roof just before she jumps, thus never even going on her long trek with Amakusa. The Trick ending places her instead on that boat, with the knowledge of whether she had that meeting with Tohya or not being completely irrelevant as it doesn't come up past that point. The second meeting, with Ikuko, only happens in the Magic choice, as it follows from Ange not jumping off the roof and taking up a new identity. If it followed on from the Trick choice as well, it would require Ange to kill Amakusa and Kawabata, wander around for a while, deal with the Sumadera somehow along with whoever else is sent after her to try and end her life, then change her name entirely, drop whatever she was doing, go back to Japan and become a writer instead.
Thus, there must be at least two different 'timelines', as it were. One where Ange made the Magic choice, is placed back on that roof, and then proceeded to have that 'second' meeting (in reality the first) with Ikuko several decades later, and another where Ange made the Trick choice, is placed back on the boat before they arrive on Rokkenjima, and sails off with her Erika tulpa to do whatever the fuck, never actually meeting Ikuko. Either way, Ange retains knowledge that she shouldn't know because it never happened, providing some implication that Ange's mind has gone back from a point in the 'future'. The lines I quoted in my previous post handle the Trick ending, while in Magic:
>So, ...it really was true.
>Ushiromiya Battler...did die that day.
>After all, ...didn't the witches say that he was dead so often with the red truth...?
Obviously, if she was back on that roof and never stepped off to 'join the game', she wouldn't have heard all that talk of Battler being dead with the red truth. She could be referring to the forgeries written by them here, but then you're opening up the opportunity for the Trick ending (and the choice itself) to have not happened either to the Ange in that second meeting and to just be a bit of writing done on the side by them for if their story's Ange had decided to pick the other choice, as that second meeting needs to follow from Ange not jumping the roof and choosing to leave her old life behind, not truly requiring it to follow on from the choice of Magic putting her on that roof for her to step away from.
Please feel free to pick at what I've written again and point out what sounds off. I appreciate the opportunity to rack my brains over my own interpretation of the story.

>>37186707
Did you expect someone who lost their parents at a young age, was raised and abused by the woman she thought murdered them for a good portion of her life, and then thrown in a private school where she was bullied for never having the chance to mature properly would grow up a happy teenager who doesn't mope all the time? Perhaps she's not the best person around, but acting like she deserves 'no compassion' and that she should have died and not had a chance to live because she's not very nice is just over the top.
And yet, despite all that, she still becomes a children's writer who dedicated the rest of her tragically short life to bringing happiness to kids all over the world. I wouldn't call someone who continues to write those stories even while she's stuck in a hospital getting treatment for her cancer 'selfish'. No, Ange grows up to be a good person, one who improves a great many lives, and so she deserved the chance she was given to live.

>>36535767
Precious Ange.