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>>9231405
>this Shiki killed 99 Servants...
Bits and bytes, 0s and 1s.
Not magically reinforced and moulded Ether.

>>9226836
>Can Tohno Shiki kill servants?
Ether is canonically closer to nothing than anything. It's not something that can be recognized by itself.
The moulded form of the vessels aren't recognized as vessels, but rather the identity of what they have been shaped into. The status of these identities is already that of dead.
The soul that resides within the vessel aren't part of the real world. MEoDP has problems with alien concepts, and you can't get any more alien than not part of the real world.

Frankly, Shiki even looking into a Servant could burst his brain in an instant.

>They are "nothing" to start with. It is meaningless to kill something not part of the real world.

When Gilgamesh is summoned, the world doesn't view Gilgamesh as a magical construct with the shape and form of Gilgamesh.
It recognizes Gilgamesh as Gilgamesh, but also finds an error. Gilgamesh died so and so many years before BC, Gilgamesh is already dead! And because of this error the world tries its best to correct this mistake, hence the massive mana upkeep of sustaining a Servant. The only thing keeping them from being corrected is the constant stream of energy.

Any particular reason as to why the Shikis' Eyes would fare any better than the mechanisms of the world, and recognize them as something other than something already dead? Is one to believe that they are smarter, and thus have more control in how they can interpret things with their eyes? Or something like that, really?

At best, I could see them severing the contract feeding them with energy, like Rule Breaker.
But I can't believe it would be anywhere near easy for them to "kill" that of which is no longer part of the real world, nor even alive for that matter. An error the world itself fails to view in a manner enabling them to casually dispose of them. Why should Shiki be able to?

>>8007801
They are both alien, and dead. If even possible, they would fry his brain harder than the fist of the north star.

>They are "nothing" to start with. It is meaningless to kill something not part of the real world.

When Gilgamesh is summoned, the world doesn't view Gilgamesh as a magical construct with the shape and form of Gilgamesh.
It recognizes Gilgamesh as Gilgamesh, but also finds an error. Gilgamesh died so and so many years before BC, Gilgamesh is already dead! And because of this error the world tries its best to correct this mistake, hence the massive mana upkeep of sustaining a Servant. The only thing keeping them from being corrected is the constant stream of energy.

Any particular reason as to why the Shikis' Eyes would fare any better than the mechanisms of the world, and recognize them as something other than something already dead? Is one to believe that they are smarter, and thus have more control in how they can interpret things with their eyes? Or something like that, really?

At best, I could see them severing the contract feeding them with energy, like Rule Breaker.
But I can't believe it would be anywhere near easy for them to "kill" that of which is no longer part of the real world, nor even alive for that matter. An error the world itself fails to view in a manner enabling them to casually dispose of them. Why should Shiki be able to?

Servants are already dead.
They are essentially what normal things are after having had their dots stabbed by him.
They are a mix between that which is dead and that which is both alien and not part of the real world.
Shiki can neither kill things that are already dead, nor things that are alien.

And the very reason for the massive mana cost required for sustaining them is also because it is what is fighting Gaia's power to keep things the way they actually are, be it dead or non-existant.
A stab by Shiki wouldn't make Gaia make them die any faster, as Gaia is already trying to make them dissapear to the best of its capabilities.

At best, Shiki would be able to mimic some qualities of Rule Breaker, and sever the contract keeping them alive.
That is something that would work somewhat instant-ish on the Berserker class, but then there is the Archer class on which it would have little effect.

Mystic Eyes of Death perception only works on beings that are part of their world.
Heroic Spirits are part of none, and they are already recognized as dead by the world anyway.
The only thing stopping them is the magic of the summoning contract, otherwise they are already dead anyway.

So first off, Shiki wouldn't be able to perceive their death because
1, they are already dead, and while he can kill non-living things, he can't kill, killed things, or perceive their death/end for matter.
2, They belong to no world, and most certainly not his, he cannot perceive the death of "aliens".
3, Him stabbing them would make no difference, because when they are summoned it's as if they are already stabbed for all the world cares, because they are already dead. Hence the massive energy cost in maintaining them as the world tries to live up to that fact.

But yes, otherwise he could potentially kill them, like any other bloke with an enchanted item.
A child could potentially kill a Heroic Spirit, with an enchanted spoon, given the Spirit doesn't resist.

Mystic Eyes of Death perception only works on beings that are part of their world.
Heroic Spirits are part of none, and they are already recognized as dead by the world anyway.
The only thing stopping them is the magic of the summoning contract, otherwise they are already dead anyway.

So first off, Shiki wouldn't be able to perceive their death because
1, they are already dead, and while he can kill non-living things, he can't kill, killed things, or perceive their death/end for matter.
2, They belong to no world, and most certainly not his, he cannot perceive the death of "aliens".
3, Him stabbing them would make no difference, because when they are summoned it's as if they are already stabbed for all the world cares, because they are already dead. Hence the massive energy cost in maintaining them as the world tries to live up to that fact.

But yes, otherwise he could potentially kill them, like any other bloke with an enchanted item.
A child could potentially kill a Heroic Spirit, with an enchanted spoon, given the Spirit doesn't resist.

>>4141227
He have said that Ryougi can manage a defensive fight at best and that Tohno doesn't even stand a chance, that much is for sure.

But what our kind anon here said does make some bells ring, you sure he have never said it in some moon magazine?
Some things in the original works kind of supports it as well.

>>3904224
Nasu has already stated that the MEoDP cannot kill servants and the like as they are nothing/don't exist.
He reffered to them as an error in the system were something that no longer exists, "exists" even though it really doesn't exist.
They are already dead, and the world tries to follow up with the result of them truly being dead, thus the huge prana requirement in order to sustain them.
As they aren't really real they kind of doesn't have a concept of anything, let alone a concept of death considering that they are already dead, and none-existant on top of that.
Responding to a troll post