/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[hogarth edition No.6773864]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

>READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98
New collaborative: https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn
w/ic/i: https://sites.google.com/site/ourwici/
>TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction
to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help.
When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

previous >>6771257

[Anonymous No.6773872]

Are there any good scans of all the Burne Hogarth books?

[Anonymous No.6773875]

anyone have good resources for drawing/texturing fire? trying to draw lines or shapes from a reference like picrel never looks right

[Anonymous No.6773879]

anyone have good resources for drawing/texturing fire? trying to draw lines or shapes from a reference like picrel never looks right

[Anonymous No.6773902]

>>>/hr/4705587

[Anonymous No.6773915]

>>6773537
NTA but that's a good post anon, thank you
i feel like i'm not skilled enough yet to enjoy the outcome of "drawing for fun" yet and i was feeling a bit directionless, having something to follow along and compare yourself to is a great motivator

[Anonymous No.6773919]

draw this tree I took a pic from, planted by a duchess 150 years ago (I think)

[Anonymous No.6773923]

Man I regret getting back into drawing

[Anonymous No.6773935]

im not sure where to go from here, i can see its clearly not finished but i dont have the eyes to be able to see whats past this rendering point

[Anonymous No.6773941]

>>6773919
>blurry
>overexposed
>shit composition
>wrong angle
Shit picture, wont draw.
0/10

[Anonymous No.6773943]

I've been stuck in a symbol drawing rut ever since I started drawing years and years ago. I try to look into certain books but they all seem too much more advanced than what I can learn from. I don't really know what to do.

[Anonymous No.6773963]

>>6773879
>anyone have good resources for drawing/texturing fire
my diary desu

[Anonymous No.6773989]

Hands are so awkward to draw.
Anyone have a good guide for them? I just took a quick skim through morpho, but it seems too technical for me. Might still copy some of the pages though.

[Anonymous No.6774002]

Happy Bunny Day and Oppai Day.

[Anonymous No.6774010]

>>6773989
Buy the book for everything. Anatomy for sculptors is too good.
https://files.catbox.moe/yzhfz1.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/kzlmht.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/bbjlkh.jpg
https://files.catbox.moe/p1z8ci.jpg

[Anonymous No.6774050]

>>6773943
Train your observation and line accuracy. I think Krenz has some video on this. There’s also some Dorian Iten videos that can help.

[Anonymous No.6774087]

>>6773935
That's a fine stopping point, you just need to increase your value contrast, darken your shadows, brighten your highlights, keep your light/midtone as is

[Anonymous No.6774091]

>>6774087
this is what i ended up with

[Anonymous No.6774100]

today's timed 1 min gestures

[Anonymous No.6774102]

today's 1 min gestures

[Anonymous No.6774112]

>>6774091
sombra..?

[Anonymous No.6774115]

>>6774002
Why would you draw disgusting veins on these beautiful tits?

[Anonymous No.6774120]

>>6774112
yeah

[Anonymous No.6774121]

>>6774102
how do you make your gestures look so nice? do I need to delve into anatomy?

[Anonymous No.6774123]

>>6773864
how can i practice observation? i tried doing insect sketches like feng zhu said but they are very wonky

[Anonymous No.6774130]

>>6774121
I don't think they are that nice, I have a lot of errors in many of them, but I do it to get a visual library and get the mileage and feel for the form.

All I did was watching the gesture part of the vilppu course, and read the gesture parts in art & science of drawing and steve huston.

I didn't get it at first but the more you draw the more you start getting it if that makes sense. I also watch out for the angle of the shoulders / hips and try to use overlapping to indicate perspective, but it doesn't always work out too well since I'm still learning

[Anonymous No.6774133]

>>6774123
>how can i practice observation?
See harder.

[Anonymous No.6774146]

>>6774130
can you link the vilppu course you're referring to?

[Anonymous No.6774153]

>>6774130
>I don't think they are that nice
Just goes to show that where ever you're at someone out there is jealous of what you can do and is inspired by your progress.

[Anonymous No.6774154]

>>6774123
What I've learned from others is observing everyday life. Look at your bottle of water sitting on your desk. Pick a perspective to look at it and draw it right there. The shape is literally in front of you for reference. As you do it more, you can tackle more complex shapes and try to put them on paper. Rinse and repeat for a good couple of months and you have naturally trained your eye a respectable amount on perspective assuming effort was put in to learning. Basically just look at stuff and think about how it exists in its space.

[Anonymous No.6774160]

>>6774146
https://pastebin.com/450cmptn

can't post the link here so I put it into a pastebin

[Anonymous No.6774197]

>>6774115
My fav artist made me realize that breasts need veins to be more erotic.
My failure to properly draw them is another thing.

[Anonymous No.6774207]

>>6774115
Are they really beautiful? Feel like I made them drop too much.

[Anonymous No.6774212]

have i felt it...? the form?

[Anonymous No.6774265]

Another busy day, only had about 25 minutes. Started an impossibly hard drawing of a blue ruff from a photo. I decided to take a break from the pencil hookers.
Didn't get very far through it. I'll work on it later. I got to get back into cardio, cooking, and catch up on sleep.
It's unfinished and more an exercise in rendering then drawing, but I feel it has value to my development, especially if I finish it tomorrow or soon.

[Anonymous No.6774269]

Source

[Anonymous No.6774274]

>>6774212
>"have I felt it?"
>No contour lines
It's a no anon.

[Anonymous No.6774277]

>>6773902
I don't know why, but I hate these photos.

[Anonymous No.6774278]

>>6773935
Looks like that chick who shot up YouTube.

[Anonymous No.6774284]

>>6774277
Why? I think they're great. Both high res and good lighting.

[Anonymous No.6774286]

>>6774274
his drawings have "contour" lines
what you mean are "cross contour lines"
and that aside, you have no idea what you are talking about crab

>>6774212
dont listen to him anon
your figures are convincingly 3d

[Anonymous No.6774290]

>>6774286
he thinks convincingly 3d = feeling the form

[Anonymous No.6774292]

>work on a squatted pose for a painting for several days
>almost done, but something keeps bugging me about it
>realize that's how a man would do it not a woman
FUCK.

Fixing the pose would be too much of a PITA. Time to think of something else.

[Anonymous No.6774293]

>>6774286
>praises permabegs
And I am the one crabbing?

[Anonymous No.6774294]

>>6774290
>>6774293
(You)

[Anonymous No.6774295]

Slow day, huh? Did you challenge yourself today? Trying out Hogarth's Drawing Dynamic Hands right now.

>>6774010
That part about the finger profile is going to help. Thanks.
>>6774286
Nice buttcheeks as always.

[Anonymous No.6774298]

>>6774294
>tries to mog with mediocre unfinished digital art

[Anonymous No.6774299]

>>6774294
it feels stiff, do more gesture work, but overall not bad bro

[Anonymous No.6774303]

>>6774295
>Did you challenge yourself today
Worked on a piece of that one anons Witch OC playing baseball with Madoka, Sayaka and Homura from Madoka Magica because I thought it would be funny. Tbh multiple levels of difficulty beyond my skill level, but I'll finish it eventually.

[Anonymous No.6774304]

>>6774298
yes, you are being mogged by not posting your work

[Anonymous No.6774306]

>>6774298
(You)

>>6774299
yeah thats because the ref ends at the waist lel
everything below the waist is from imagination and poses from imagination are a big weakness of mine.

[Anonymous No.6774309]

>>6774306
Idk bro post something finished if you want to shit on someone. Or are you insecure about rendering?

[Anonymous No.6774310]

>>6774284
I really don't know. I think because it's too perfect and artificial. It's like the difference between amateur and professionally produced porn.

[Anonymous No.6774312]

>>6774306
if youre posting this to 'flex' its kinda embarrassing, this is just a standard figure drawing, takes like 3 months go get to this stage

[Anonymous No.6774313]

>>6774306
>>6774309
Stop responding to this nigger

[Anonymous No.6774317]

>>6774310
Yeah I get it. I prefer candid photos but they're usually a lot lower res and poor lighting.

[Anonymous No.6774318]

Just started working on drawing eyes, any advice?

[Anonymous No.6774320]

>>6773890

[Anonymous No.6774321]

>>6774318
Yeah draw two of them on a face.

[Anonymous No.6774324]

>>6774309
>>6774312
The single most pathetic thing you can do on /ic/ is not pyw after talking shit. Even the biggest permabeg mogs the coward into submission.

[Anonymous No.6774326]

>>6774324
i mean sure, heres the piece i was working on earlier, im not the one trying to flex lol so dunno how my work is relevant

[Anonymous No.6774328]

How are detailed figures drawn in one point perspective? I'm trying to wrap my head around how you would draw a figure in one point perspective. I can only picture how to draw a block man

[Anonymous No.6774330]

>>6774328
Just copy photos. You don't need to understand it, your eyes do.

[Anonymous No.6774331]

>>6774324
>asked to post finished work
>throws a tantrum
>also
The single most pathetic thing you can do on ic is post work when asked to the fact that you don't get that just shows how new you are here.

[Anonymous No.6774335]

>>6774318
Good starting info here

[Anonymous No.6774336]

>>6774335
thank you anon appreciate it

[Anonymous No.6774337]

Perspective as taught by art books has always confused me. I have some experience with computer graphics and know that a "perspective" transform is simply squishing a trapezoidal prism into a square. So things that are "farther away" simply get squished more as the angle of the field of view goes farther out until they're not longer visible. I've never understood how to map that to the ideal of one, two, or three point perspective. In my mind it's just that every "straight" line that has depth has parts of it squished closer to the center of the field of view. Maybe someone can help explain that better.

[Anonymous No.6774338]

>>6774309
>>6774312
(You)

[Anonymous No.6774341]

>>6774324
The only people who answer to pyw are dunning kruger begs/ints who think their mediocre drawings will win them argument.

[Anonymous No.6774343]

>>6774338
>Still not finished
It is ok anon practice rendering some more before you try to mog me.

[Anonymous No.6774347]

>>6774343
nta but rendering is a worthless skill now with AI. Black and white line art chads have won.

[Anonymous No.6774349]

>>6774343
(You)

[Anonymous No.6774352]

>>6774349
>Still not finished
I mean we can continue until we hit bump limit if you want to.

[Anonymous No.6774360]

>>6774338
>hair blowing one way
>skirt blowing another way
>made skirt blow inbetween her legs making it look like some weird clipping
>looks unfinished
>poor use of lineweight
>wonky anatomy
>bad shadow
>draws tranime
4/10 anon.

[Anonymous No.6774361]

>>6774352
(You)

[Anonymous No.6774364]

>>6774361
Please anon finish a piece I beg you, you will improve from it.

[Anonymous No.6774367]

>>6774360
>>6774364
(You)

[Anonymous No.6774368]

>>6774361
>toddler feet

[Anonymous No.6774378]

I dunno about you guys drawing will NEVER BE THE SAME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czDwguPTgMI

[Anonymous No.6774383]

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[Anonymous No.6774387]

>>6773864
red Pill me on this hogarth nigga

[Anonymous No.6774390]

>>6774383
You’re honestly just making that anon look better with every post. It’s time to take the L or post your own stuff

[Anonymous No.6774392]

>>6774383
I don't think he knows what you mean by finished anon.

[Anonymous No.6774395]

Today I drew little. My depression hit again and I spent a lot of time thinking how little I control my life, how far my goals are and other things. Still, I draw. This session lasted a mere 30 mins. I did the hand exercise and copied 1 drawing from KtD. I'll hopefully be in better shape to draw tomorrow.

>>6774265
Cool birb so far.
>>6774002
Is there an Urabe drawing group or is it just one anon? Also not bad.
>>6773771
Respectable kot.
>>6773337
Yes. When you are beg you need to improve everything.
>>6772988
Thanks. Yeah, I got lazy with the background, adding passers-by in the distance overlapping with the spectators would've been a good idea. My linework is 0 level, I am constantly afraid of messing up. It will come with experience, I think.

Also I watched Tatami Galaxy which he directed, it is an honour to be compared to Yuasa.
>>6772957
>lmao. is this supposed to be fish eye perspective?
The viewer is supposed to be looking up from around the feet of the fighters. I tried into 1 point perspective.
>>6772934
Mischievous.
>>6772515
>>6772470
>>6772435
>SOVL
So the quality is shit but it is somewhat appealing. I thought as much.
Thanks!
>>6772466
I feel good when someone praises my work or encourages me to go on, so I do the same to raise the mood of other anons. I give advice about the things that stand out to me. If it is wrong, other anons will correct me. And it is, ultimately, the recipient's decision whether to listen to it or look at my work and decide not to.

[Anonymous No.6774397]

I lost a fight to some chairs drunk at a concert. people were watching, lol anyway

[Anonymous No.6774398]

>>6774390
Why? I asked him if he was insecure about rendering and he proved me right by dumping a bunch of half completed drawings.

[Anonymous No.6774404]

>>6774368
>>6774383
(You)

[Anonymous No.6774406]

>>6774404
Hmm that one seems over rendered anon.

[Anonymous No.6774412]

>>6774398
the point is that you're acting like a 15 year old who just discovered 4chan
this is the /beg/ general, nobody is trying to compete in this thread and nobody gives a shit about 'mogging' or 'flexing' or 'shitting on' anybody else

[Anonymous No.6774414]

>>6774398
They’ve clearly demonstrated a minimum level of skill. It’s just juvenile taunting to come out of the exchange not looking like the loser at this point. You can either one-up them by posting your own finished work or recognize every other poster is currently getting outdone by someone that supposedly can’t finish pieces.

[Anonymous No.6774431]

>>6774414
>>6774412
>>6774390
this
>>6774398
You posted no work after all of that. lol
>unfinished
it's fucking /beg we come here to get advice hopefully before we finish the piece so it doesn't come out shitty?

[Anonymous No.6774438]

>>6773057
Vilppu said I should be now confident to draw without a model by now. So here they are. Gestures/figures from imagination.

[Anonymous No.6774440]

>>6774431
>>6774414
>>6774412
Sure I just didn't want to stoop down to your level, I call this piece johnny chilling. I have diglet bravo aswell, owl bravo, babe bravo that I can post if you wish to learn from my expertise.

[Anonymous No.6774443]

>>6774440
Notice how I took great care to use white on his glassen to create a highlight. It is a high int/pro technique

[Anonymous No.6774447]

[Anonymous No.6774462]

>>6774447
Max out that saturation on the red. cool textures

[Anonymous No.6774464]

I'm working on a messy style aesthetics

[Anonymous No.6774468]

>>6774395
>Is there an Urabe drawing group or is it just one anon?
Just me.
>Also not bad.
T-thanks.

[Anonymous No.6774474]

Just ignore pyw crabs. You are infinitely better than them the moment you actually draw, because they don't

[Anonymous No.6774479]

>>6774474
Just post the classic meme, don't take any of these kinds of people seriously.

[Anonymous No.6774482]

>>6774440
lmao what level that is nicos asshole in a cube

[Anonymous No.6774488]

>>6774462
thank you u are right the red it was full saturate but I have problems of my sight so I decided low the saturation.

[Anonymous No.6774494]

>>6774306
That's hot

[Anonymous No.6774500]

>>6774398
>he proved me right

[Anonymous No.6774503]

>Start trying to do rendering, shadows and colors
>It takes forever, looks bad an dis an overall bad experience
Goddammit that stuff is awful
Ho do you guys even do that stuff, lineart is comfy compared to that

[Anonymous No.6774507]

>>6774503
I've just had a breakthrough with that stuff, if you're in clip paint, try the watercolor brush + the watery brush to color with

[Anonymous No.6774508]

[Anonymous No.6774522]

How long do animator typically work on 1 frame? Would it be a good idea to do studies of their animation cuts where you try to stick to their time schedule too?

[Anonymous No.6774540]

>Soon I'll have to stop avoiding my duties, and start doing flats and values
I dread that day

[Anonymous No.6774551]

[Anonymous No.6774554]

aaaaa
I'm still kind of winging it when it comes to the form of the back of the hand, but I'm slooowly getting it.

[Anonymous No.6774562]

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>>6774500
Wow another beg thread and what a surprise some retard starts trolling and somehow even though this happens without fail in every single thread you smug retards can't just ignore them. No instead you all have to respond fifty times to them shitting up the thread so it hits bump limit within a day, and what about the begs who actually puts in some work and posts their drawings asking for advice? Do you ever respond to them? Of course not, fuck you guys and fuck this thread it's by far the worst one on /ic/.

[Anonymous No.6774567]

>>6774551
man that is some soul.

[Anonymous No.6774575]

>>6774562
You seem to be under the impression there are GOOD threads on /ic/. Clearly, you’re the retard.

[Anonymous No.6774580]

>>6774575
I mean he said worst, so it just makes us the lowest pile of garbage.

[Anonymous No.6774594]

>>6774580
Good point. I rescind my comment, except for calling him a retard. He should know better than to argue with the crabs. They’re, like, 99.9% of the population in /ic/.

[Anonymous No.6774605]

There is no reason to share my art with you F*** good day

[Anonymous No.6774614]

>>6774522
can't hurt to try

[Anonymous No.6774615]

It sometimes becomes almost physically painful for me to work on the "technicals", and I hate that about myself and could use some advice on how to maybe make that part more pleasant in some way.
I think what I mean by "technicals" is getting proportions and perspective right mostly. There's the idea of "just bee yourself" which I like, but when I always end up with jank-ass faces or squished/elongated proportions, bee'ing myself feels bad. I want the ability to CHOOSE to make a jank-ass face if that's what I'm feeling, rather than being tethered to that.

I'm using faces as an analogy because that's when I notice this reluctance the most, but same applies if I'm trying a still life and feeling the weight of realizing that proportions are all off or something like that.

My suspicion is it's one of two things or both:
1) just grinding through and gitting gud. Like building muscle or early math or programming fundamentals.
2) a mindset thing, of somehow appreciating the process of depicting things accurately.
I have no doubt this is one of or THE most common issue plaguing beginners, because it's the less-fun part of expression. It's not "fun" to grind algebra, it's not "fun" to study vocabulary, but it is "fun" to write a poem/story or creatively attack a higher math problem with a kit of tools/understanding that you've developed.

[Anonymous No.6774616]

Hi beg. Ellipses remain being the biggest nemesis of me.

>>6774503
start with just shadows and basic bitch blending the values via smudge or blend tool (or via using brush which can do that on low pressure, like "Watercolor" brushes in krita)
>>6774447
i like the shadow crosshatching
>>6774338
>>6774349
pro
>>6774328
you probably dont understand perspective and or figure drawing when you are asking such confusing question. No matter what perspective system you choose (and 1PP is just special case of 2PP where the vanishing point is in dead middle of vision) it doesnt limit anything in figure drawing
>>6774320
you just have to be bold and pick one lmao. Loomis, Vilppu or heck even hogarth from OP pic made book about figure drawing (dont confuse with anatomy, anatomy books are like hardcore figure drawing)
>>6774292
>women squat differently
what?
>>6774265
that is the weirdest cock i have ever seen
>>6774123
>>6773943
draw from observation, read keys to drawing, just draw (from reference)
>>6774002
what a slut
>>6773879
you can always try to steal i mean look at how others deal with it
https://www.deviantart.com/ashpwright/art/The-Ash-Knight-800448140
or you can just simply draw what you see :-)
>>6774562
>anon has aneurysm over anons being anons
just repost your art and hopefully somebody will meaningfully (You) you

[Anonymous No.6774631]

I have a question, about 3 months ago I felt that I had an upgrade in my art, I felt and swore that I was already very close to being able to copy the reference at a good level. Now I feel like I got an upgrade in my skills again but now seeing those past drawing practices I can notice several errors like misplaced eyes, eyes of different style to the reference, etc.
My question is, now that I feel that my level has improved, I'm afraid that it really isn't like that and in three months I'll discover that it wasn't as good as I thought.

[Anonymous No.6774637]

>>6774631
There's ups and downs. Your eyes skill doesn't increase at the same rate as your hands skill.
You're likely going to have periods where you can't see errors, and periods where you can't draw anything as intended.

What's important is that you're consciously aware of what's going on, reflecting on your choices, and trying to find different options next time the same problem comes up.

[Anonymous No.6774638]

>>6774631
if you've improved in three months, you will discover that it wasn't as good as you thought.
Because you've improved and have a "higher vantage point" so to speak.

Analogy with "cringing at your past self." The only people who do this are ones who have grown and have a new perspective on their history.

[Anonymous No.6774661]

>>6774615
what you are describing could be a very common growing pain of a beginner, or the brief, painful cry of a permabeg who ascended into self-awareness for a moment lel

how long have you been drawing? give us a feel for how intensely you are practicing, perhaps even pyw

>There's the idea of "just bee yourself" which I like, but when I always end up with jank-ass faces or squished/elongated proportions, bee'ing myself feels bad. I want the ability to CHOOSE to make a jank-ass face if that's what I'm feeling, rather than being tethered to that.
i am sure 99% of artists experience this one way or the other. for me it is less frustrating than for you simply because i have moved my "be yourself" type of drawing close enough to what i *want* through a lot of mileage
but still i have the same problem. drawing in a non-energy-draining way results in messy (albeit pretty) sketches, but consciously elevating a sketch to the next level of quality feels like hard work and is exhausting. you are at the very least not alone or dysfunctional in that regard

>1) just grinding through and gitting gud. Like building muscle or early math or programming fundamentals.
>2) a mindset thing, of somehow appreciating the process of depicting things accurately.
honestly, i dont know which is right, or if its a mix of the two. i personally "decided" to believe that #1 is true, and stuck with it. i still need to focus in the "exhausting" kind of way to create accuracy above my average, but i found that with more mileage, more grinding, more practice my accuracy improved while the amount of work / focus / exhaustion / frustration is needed have stayed at a tolerable level. but this is such a complicated and vague subject, i might be wrong, or it might actually depend on every persons personality...?!

[Anonymous No.6774670]

Not sure if this is a normal thing, but why is it so difficult to study/copy real images of people? When studying/copying artists I like, or studying books like Bridgeman, Vilppu, etc. they turn out okay, but when it comes to trying to turn real life images of people, it looks really bad compared to when I was studying other people's works. How would you get out of this?
Also here's a study of Bridgman I did the other night for show.

[Anonymous No.6774680]

>>6774670
3D -> 2D vs 2D -> 2D.
It's totally normal. In a certain way (and I'm blowing my own mind here) any 2D -> 2D is a series of copies/influence that at some point began with depicting reality.

(Oops, I just noticed you weren't talking about difficulty drawing from life vs drawing from flat image/screen, but I like those thoughts I had.)
One thought, as fellow beg, is that what you're studying from (Bridgeman, Vilppu, etc) is the culmination of some kind of ideals meant for instructing. Do you think their beg notebooks looked like their texts for the public?

[Anonymous No.6774690]

>>6774670
other people's works have figured out the marks already, when you are drawing from life you have to come up with that yourself
figures have a lot of subtle plane changes that are hard to draw and also hard to notice if you don't already know about them
as for your study, besides proportion issues you should take a second to think about what the drawing you're copying is trying to convey, most of the figures in that book are trying to emphasize certain mechanisms or body planes that you want to grasp.

[Anonymous No.6774694]

cat study because apparently you need to be having fun 50% of the time, according to drawabox
also random tower doodle

[Anonymous No.6774712]

>>6774694
fuzzy friend, would pet/10
very nice whiskers

[Anonymous No.6774725]

>>6774680
Thanks for your insights fellow beg. I also meant to convert 3D into 2D but without it looking flat.

>>6774690
So pretty much their lines are essentially already set paths of what the body is if that makes sense? Also I'm just gonna try to copy a Bridgeman page at least once a day.
>as for your study, besides proportion issues you should take a second to think about what the drawing you're copying is trying to convey, most of the figures in that book are trying to emphasize certain mechanisms or body planes that you want to grasp.
Is there a thought process for this? While your drawing observe it and ponder on the point of each line is? I'm still really new when it comes to learning anatomy (like reading books) it's just a lot to take in.

[Anonymous No.6774734]

Can I post ZOO here?

[Anonymous No.6774735]

which one looks better

[Anonymous No.6774738]

>>6774735
left looks like queen nasim so i like that one more
right looks more 'generic' i suppose

[Anonymous No.6774740]

>>6774735
RIght.

[Anonymous No.6774741]

>>6774734
i literally don't know
but i want you to

>>6774735
right

[Anonymous No.6774746]

>Find a really good pose/reference you want to recreate with different characters or your autistic donut steel.
>Don't want to be publicly called out as a plagiarist
Bros?

[Anonymous No.6774747]

wip
focusing on trying different ways to create cleaner line art on top of messy sketches without ruining whatever appeal there was in the sketch

[Anonymous No.6774750]

>>6774725
not each line, the diagram as a whole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpnP28b3riY

[Anonymous No.6774753]

>>6774735
left with right's shading

[Anonymous No.6774783]

[Anonymous No.6774788]

>>6774725
fellow beg here again, if you're looking to draw from life, they are weirdly separate skills involved than drawing from flat to flat.
My advice would be to practice drawing from life. For some reasons I don't understand, practicing flat-to-flat doesn't overlap completely (though helps in certain ways) with drawing 3D->2D

[Anonymous No.6774796]

Imagine only being influenced by anime/manga.
I bet anything the best JAPANIMATION artists spend a lot of time being influenced by things completely unrelated to that.
I bet mid down to shit tier take in primarily other anime/manga artists.
It's the same with videogames. When it becomes incestuous, you step back and look to the wider world for inspo and experience.

[Anonymous No.6774817]

>>6774670
2D->2D until you can 3D->2D
the reason for this is because there are no lines in real life and in 2D anatomy is simplified into lines, I advise you to keep copying 2D until you memorize these lines to make real life anatomical simplifications from real life studies

[Anonymous No.6774819]

>>6774817
sssssssssssssssex

[Anonymous No.6774831]

>when I see my /beg/ brothers (who I must never desert) struggling to draw
RESIST! RESIST! SURRENDER IS NOT AN OPTION

[Anonymous No.6774838]

>>6774831
i would never wear a cap like that THOUGH

[Anonymous No.6774861]

i have ohio rizz

[Anonymous No.6774869]

>>6774861
that penise is a symbol drawing, ngmi

[Anonymous No.6774905]

What is the point of contour line drawing? Why am I drawing the outline when I can scribble a gesture and fill the rest in that way? Is this some sort of mind trick?

[Anonymous No.6774906]

Can anyone give advice on how to make gestures feel more life-like? Mine still just feel like stick figures
I watched about 40 minutes of Vilppu's class on gesture drawing and drew alongside him during it, but when I went to try to do it on my own it just feels completely different

I was trying to focus moreso on movement rather than form, but it feels like without form, movement can be difficult to comprehend

[Anonymous No.6774934]

>>6774906
>it feels like without form, movement can be difficult to comprehend
Personally I found that my gestures improved after I studied form so I didn't have to think about it as much and could think about the motion of different body parts in space.

[Anonymous No.6774935]

>>6774934
>form
mind giving some resources? im not sure if you're referring to anatomy or construction or maybe something else
thanks!

[Anonymous No.6774936]

>>6774906
>>6774934
>I was trying to focus moreso on movement rather than form, but it feels like without form, movement can be difficult to comprehend
This. Study Vilppu by going through his course over and over again. When you get to the last chapter, go back to the beginning and do it over again. You cannot just sit on gesture and hope to master it

[Anonymous No.6774939]

>>6774936
>You cannot just sit on gesture and hope to master it
i wasn't planning on it, I had only just started Vilppu today, I just wasn't sure if form was something that you were expected to already know going into the course considering he didn't really discuss it at all from the bit i had watched

[Anonymous No.6774942]

>>6774939
>I just wasn't sure if form was something that you were expected to already know going into the course considering he didn't really discuss it at all from the bit i had watched
form is the chapters right after gesture: spheres, boxes, cylinders, and eventually anatomy and proportions

Just go through Vilppu like he intended, and you'll be fine. There's also no problem with pre-emptively studying Anatomy too, along with Vilppu. I recommend Bridgman or Morpho

[Anonymous No.6774943]

>>6774935
Vilppu's anatomy course is what I watched and it helped a ton.

[Anonymous No.6774946]

>>6774942
oh ok, thanks anon
do you think i'm getting the general idea of what Vilppu is wanting, based on my attempts here? >>6774906

I know mid-lesson he randomly mentioned doing 1 minute gestures rather than spending too much time on a single model, so I was doing that too, but it felt like I was cutting for time on most of those

[Anonymous No.6774948]

>>6774946
>do you think i'm getting the general idea of what Vilppu is wanting, based on my attempts here?
Yes! Gesture can be thought of literally as just stick figures. He just does the flowing thing because it looks beautiful and that's the way compositions in the Renaissance were designed. If you read Buscema's "How to draw comics the marvel way" he goes over gesture as stick figures.

[Anonymous No.6774949]

>>6774567

[Anonymous No.6774960]

>>6774817
>2D->2D until you can 3D->2D
the reason for this is because there are no lines in real life and in 2D anatomy is simplified into lines
Thanks for your advice anon, I'll just keep on copying artists I like and study more books for now still.
Also nice sketches

[Anonymous No.6774964]

>>6774817
>I advise you to keep copying 2D until you memorize these lines to make real life anatomical simplifications from real life studies
Thanks for your advice anon, I'll just keep on copying artists I like and study more books for now still.
Also nice sketches

[Anonymous No.6774985]

>>6774091
You lowered the contrast... You brightened the shadows and darkened the highlights

[Anonymous No.6774991]

>>6774616
Do you do anything besides these pages? Do you have finished any personal pieces? Sorry if you get asked this often

[Anonymous No.6775012]

remember, /beg/s, always use references when studying... otherwise all your drawings will be CURSED to look like the abomination on the right!

[Anonymous No.6775015]

Tried experimenting with soft edged brushes. Couldn't find my groove and then PS crashed 45min in. Ideas to mix soft n hard edge?

[Anonymous No.6775016]

>>6773915
Oh, glad it helped.
>>6774212
YES.
>>6774320
There's honestly not much I have to say besides keep going. You're starting to feel the form, you're doing dynamic poses, and most importantly, you're drawing thick thighs and juicy butts. I'd say to keep going, but try to draw full figures most of the time. You can put in gestural placeholders for the heads, hands, and feet, but you should put them there. This will do a lot to help your sense of proportion and help develop your anatomy. That's important. It's good to do studies of individual body parts you want to understand better, but you ultimately have to incorporate those disparate parts into a cohesive whole.
>>6774694
GOOD
>>6774747
Always a pleasure to see you, Red Blob Senpai. That looks quite good. Man, your figures are just... I don't know how to explain it specifically, but they're very appealing to me. I'd try varying the line weights a bit, and the hand on our right/her left looks more like it's intersecting with and clipping through the staff rather than wrapping around/gripping it.
>>6774734
DO IT
>>6774949
I greatly admire your storytelling and the life/character you imbue into your art.
>>6775012
That honestly doesn't look bad to me.

[Anonymous No.6775018]

>>6774831
I cant do it anymore bro, I cant...
I know seeing all these great drawings by the other anons should inspire me to reach that level but....

[Anonymous No.6775020]

>>6774747
theres something really wrong with the left hand
right index looks too long too

[Anonymous No.6775025]

Week two of Loomis’s “Fun with a Pencil”. Occasionally I have found myself lacking the motivation to start drawing, but once I’m drawing, it’s a lot of fun!
I’m aware there’s some jarring anatomical issues with the figures in my photo. Critique would be appreciated. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.6775029]

>>6775015
I'm beg as fuck and retarded, so don't listen to me. Basically the way I think of hard/sharp vs soft edges is to put hard/sharp edges on hard/sharp things and soft edges on soft things. These "edges" are the edges of the shadows. And shadows describe where form turns away from the light. So the edges of shadows describe *how* the form is turning away from the light.The rate of change — how fast the form turns away from the light — determines hard vs soft shadow edges. If the form turns sharply away from the light, like the edge of a box, then that's a hard shadow edge. If the form turns slowly/gently away from the light, like a plump thigh, then that's a soft, diffuse shadow edge. And the way I think about these is I sort of draw the shadow shapes by starting with basically the core shadows, which are essentially the areas where the form is turning away from the light source. So a thick, vague core shadow is a soft edge. A hard, thin core shadow is a sharp/hard edge.

So you go around and draw the shadow edges according to what the form is and where it's turning away from the light source. Shadow edges are also cross-contour lines going over the surface of the form. Especially cast shadows.

...I realize I maybe completely misunderstood your post and you're talking about hard vs soft brush edges and not shadows... I don't know. I've only really been using hard round. Yeah, I misunderstood your post, didn't I... Like I said, I'm retarded.

[Anonymous No.6775032]

>>6775029
> Shadow edges are also cross-contour lines going over the surface of the form.

That makes sense. I'm not drawing tomorrow but I'll test out that thought process soon.

Cheers m8

[Anonymous No.6775274]

back at sketching after dropping it years ago, missed how fun it is

[Anonymous No.6775288]

ms paint mouse doodles

[Anonymous No.6775326]

https://youtu.be/99fBNPplcBU
How do I get lines like this guy?

[Anonymous No.6775332]

>>6774614
Do you have any idea how much time I should spend per frame/drawing?

[Anonymous No.6775349]

https://paintology.com/loomis-method-head-drawing-for-real-portraits/

the shit you find online, man

[Anonymous No.6775350]

>>6775326
Idk maybe watch or read some peter han stuff? that is a form of quicksketching for thumbnails, basically what stable diffusion does.

[Anonymous No.6775351]

>>6775349
lmao imagine having so little self awareness, mind boggling. What a chad.

[Anonymous No.6775356]

>>6775349
>1 comment
>'order cialis online'
lmao

[Anonymous No.6775363]

>>6775016
>I greatly admire your storytelling and the life/character you imbue into your art.
Thanks. I’m not used to getting compliments here.
Or advice. I asked about whether her facial expression was off in the last thread. No responses. I think I got it it fixed up, though.

[Anonymous No.6775365]

>>6775332
no idea, maybe try to find documentaries or interviews about it

[Anonymous No.6775380]

>>6775350
Can you expand on that? Like does it have a name? Also how does sd do it?

[Anonymous No.6775416]

>>6774361
>>6774349
>>6774286
What resources do you think helped you improve the most?

[Anonymous No.6775420]

>>6775380
sd basically creates a rough image of noise and then adds more and more detail onto it based on it's training until it's a perfect image.

You need to get the rough shapes of your subjects onto the canvas and then refine them in later iterations, it's like drawing directly from your minds rough visualization of the pose idk it's hard to explain it


I think he uses so many scribbly lines because he is feeling the form in the process of sketching

[Anonymous No.6775434]

grinding the silly balls

[Anonymous No.6775444]

>>6775416
i dont really know. aside from drawing on the right side of the brain as a beginner i never worked through any book / course / tutorials in full
(leaving aside tutorials and courses that ended up having nothing to do with what i draw now, for example ctrl+paint)
everything that i recall "consuming"
right side of the brain book
ctrl+paint videos
proko videos (not many)
sycra videos (only the ones that caught my attention)
robert henri "the art spirit" (more philosophical art education in nature than art instruction)
richard shmidt "alla prima" (even though its about painting, his insights are applicable almost across all forms of creative work)
marco bucci videos

most of these do not really deal with drawing, but painting. however i think almost all of those convey a mindset about art that i find within myself over and over again.

as for what improved my drawing the most, that i am almost sure is down to one single exercise that i crafted for myself
>take a ref of what i want to be able to draw
>copy it as accurately as i can (NOT detailed, but "true" to the subject, only including details if they are "true" to the subject)
>in the timelimits of 3 3.5 4 4.5 5 minutes (i wrote a tiny python script that makes a sound at those intervals)
and i repeat this exercise a lot with everything i want to draw
be it anatomy, faces, facial expressions, etc (theoretically it should work with color studies, composition and so on, but i suspect it would need changing to be fitting for non-drawing exercise)

(cont)

[Anonymous No.6775449]

>>6775416
>>6775444
the theory behind this exercise of mine is as follows
>i will not finish the drawing within the timelimit
>but by *trying* to create a somewhat whole drawing, i will naturally, subconsciously draw the most important bits first
>by repeating the same drawing multiple times i make sure to "average" out lucky brush strokes, and see which parts i actually draw well and which not
>by having increasing timelimits it is made sure that i draw the gesture (for example) more often than i draw the anatomy, which in turn i draw more often than detailed hands feet faces
>if drawing is a step-by-step, hierarchical recipe to create a figure drawing
>and if every step depends on, and is made easier by, the quality of the previous step
>and if the correct order of the steps is ensured by the timelimit that forces me to focus on the important parts first (= the most fundamental steps)
>then repeating this exercise over and over will make sure i always hit my "limit" of drawing skill (again thanks to the timelimit)
>and this exercise will always lead to more practice in the more fundamental parts of drawing (and when i learned something to the point where practice is no longer needed, that part will come easy for me, which will make it fast, which will reduce the amount of time spend on that part, which will make way for the subsequent "steps" of drawing that this exercise is drilling into me)

(cont)

[Anonymous No.6775450]

How do I get good without grinding nor practicing

[Anonymous No.6775453]

>>6775416
>>6775444
>>6775449
this whole theory behind it sounds way more convincing in my head...
as an analogy
imagine you have to learn to recite a poem in school. the more of the poem you can recite in front of the class, the higher your grade. the teacher considers your first misremembered word as failure and basis for your grade.
would you learn the words of the poem, this sequence from start to finish, repeatedly?
i would learn the first word. then the first and the second. then the first and the second and the third. perhaps i would not have read the last word of the poem by the time i have to recite it, but i will have made DAMN SURE that i know the first word, and the second word a little less then that.
in other words, the probability of me misremembering a word increases gradually, and the time i spent on learning each word was inversely, falling gradually with every word.
how bummed out would you be if you spent equal time on every part of the poem, only to fuckup in the middle? you would have "wasted" all the time you spent on learning any word after your fuckup.
this drawing exercise of mine follows the same idea. no point in learning anything to a higher degree than everything that is fundamental to the thing in questions.
timelimit forces structure of important -> less important
increasing timelimit guarantees that fundamental parts get more attention always
short duration of exercise overall (20 minutes) does not overtax ability to focus
short duration also allows for repeating the exercise with more flexibility

[Anonymous No.6775458]

>>6775416
>>6775444
>>6775449
>>6775453
depending on how sick i am of that exercise (lol) 50% or more all my time spent drawing consists of these 5 timed sketches
recently i have taken a break from this very rigid exercise, only because i feel i can get away with more freedom and laziness
but even still, all my practice ends more or less on a times, is still all about drawing the same ref (or at the very least the same subject) multiple times

[Anonymous No.6775461]

>>6775444
>>6775449
>>6775453
>>6775458
Appreciate you taking the time to respond, I'm going out but I'll take the time to read through it when I get back, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6775464]

>>6775461

[Anonymous No.6775465]

>>6775434
got your silly balls right here

[Anonymous No.6775476]

Hello beg, today I copied the hands page. I looked through the book and it is only now that the massiveness of the task of copying the entire KtD is dawning on me. I'm stuck here for the next couple of months at least. Also I'll probably get a graphical tablet since the later parts require advanced materials and honestly I'd rather do it all with brushes in krita or something. Also also the initial infatuation after picking up drawing disappeared, it's all grind now. Still, I draw.

>>6775288
Anon, please go trad or use a tablet, mouse is no way to go. Though your lines are impressive.
>>6775274
kot.
>>6775025
Consider taking a picture showing the full canvas in front of the camera, preferably with the page filled with either studies or a sketch. Shitty sideways pictures discourage critique.
>>6774949
I think her mouth is a bit too far to the side, but I am beg so I may simply not understand stylized exaggeration. I tried it in front of the mirror and it's not far off... Anyway, looks cool so far, very expressive faces.
>>6774831
>>6775018
We are gonna make it. Months from now you will be grateful to yourself that you pressed on.
>>6774694
Cool kot as well.
>>6774616
So this is the power of PERSPECTIVE...
>>6774508
Anon, don't tear pieces off your paper. Also I like the juice box.
>>6774447
Cool kid.
>>6774438
I am watching your progress, messy lines anon. Keep it up.
>>6774397
I am not sure if this is your art judging by the timestamp filename, but it is elegant.

[Anonymous No.6775489]

Fucking haaaaands. The thumb is definitely the hardest part. The voice in the back of my mind keeps asking whether I'll really ever need to know all these little details about the hands.

>>6775476
Fellow handsbrah.
>the initial infatuation after picking up drawing disappeared, it's all grind now. Still, I draw.
Just remember to keep having fun.

[Anonymous No.6775512]

Trying to feel the shapes.

[Anonymous No.6775530]

i’ve come so far, i can’t just stop now…

[Anonymous No.6775537]

Can you or is is expected from you to mix Vilppu's bean with the Loomis mannequin?

[Anonymous No.6775540]

>>6775512
Mouth too low/small

[Anonymous No.6775566]

>>6775540
Thanks annon.

[Anonymous No.6775568]

>>6775489
Keep grinding anon, you'll get there.¨

>>6775512
Work on getting your proportions down and your line confidence, also you're symbol drawing the features.

>>6775530
I thought you started this around a month ago?
Also I think you're taking shortcuts in this drawing I know you're better than that anon.

[Anonymous No.6775577]

>>6775530
i may take a little break after #30 to do some more detailed studies of individual facial features cause i’ve noticed some issues with those

>>6775568
not trying to seem passive aggressive but what do you mean by shortcuts?

[Anonymous No.6775585]

>>6775577
I also don't mean to sound passive aggressive when I say this but they are just unfinished, I feel like you could be pushing yourself a lot more than you currently are. Drawing in the hair, drawing the neck and shoulders + his shirt, drawing the ear, putting in some shadows.

I just feel that you're better than what you're currently pushing yourself to do and don't wan't you to stagnate.

[Anonymous No.6775588]

Anybody bought the moderndayjames year one course? Is it worth the 50 dollarydoos? Not really worth the money but I just don't want to waste my time on a course if it's not actually going to raise me out of /beg/hood

[Anonymous No.6775591]

>>6775588
No course is worth the money imo, all the fundamentals are out there for free the only thing that is needed is to put in the work.
Now paying to have someone /pro/ tutor you is a different story.

[Anonymous No.6775594]

>>6775588
no course will make you improve, you literally get out of any course whatever effort you put into it so at the end of the day it isnt about WHICH coruse you choose but whether or not you can actually sit your ass in your chair de study/practise

if you cant dedicate yourself, then all you are doing is paying (or pirating) something you can use as an excuse and blame for your failure

[Anonymous No.6775601]

>>6775591
I wonder how much it costs to hire a decent tutor. Like $75 an hour?

[Anonymous No.6775611]

Looking for feedback here

[Anonymous No.6775620]

>>6775591
>>6775594
Fully understand that, I'm just already working full time and my main hobby that I put my free time into is music

I'm just looking for something that has all the relevant information laid out in a sensible, followable way. I know I can put in the hours, I just don't want to meander around looking for the right places to put the hours into, yunno?

[Anonymous No.6775624]

>>6775450
Create original works where you try something new each time. Do however many studies needed per picture for you to be able to draw the new aspect at an acceptable level. Don't study for the sake of studying, only with specific goals for original works in mind.

[Anonymous No.6775628]

thoughts on drawing with a mouse?

[Anonymous No.6775631]

>>6775628
if you can find pencils small enough for him to use, go ahead

[Anonymous No.6775632]

>>6775620
I fully understand, when you're starting out it can feel like you're without direction/overwhelmed with information. I truthfully think the fastest way to improve is to let go of ego and start drawing the things you want to draw the most, like let's say you have a obsession with cars just starting there and then researching as you realise what you need to work on is what will net you the best gains because when you follow a course it is easy to both stagnate or become disinterested because what they're talking about in a particular section isn't something you've felt like you need to understand yet.

>>6775611
I don't know a lot about anime so wont comment on the style but I think you can push the lineweight more, also if you picked a different composition, something where we could see her full body and her leaning against a structure that is in perspective would help a lot. Try practicing rendering in black/gray and white so you can get used to pushing the contrast more. Those are just my thoughts from looking at it.

[Anonymous No.6775635]

>>6775577
i sincerely apologize for making this woman look like she’s part pig

>>6775585
yeah i see where you’re coming from

to be honest i’ve just kinda been putting less effort into other elements because my brain does this retarded thing where it just wants to focus on learning on thing at a time, or else i get overwhelmed by everything

i feel like i’ve been putting less and less effort into these because of my motivation dropping so i think i will do those individual facial feature studies to cool myself down a little bit while still staying on topic ish

and maybe these are just retarded excuses that are holding me back but idk

[Anonymous No.6775648]

>>6775632
>Try practicing rendering in black/gray and white so you can get used to pushing the contrast more. Those are just my thoughts from looking at it.
This is excellent advice in particular.
Poor or low contrast in my values has been a pretty consistent weakness.

[Anonymous No.6775655]

>>6773864
That OP image is a work of art lmao. Hogarth's head book is unironically more useful than Loomis' beyond the basics, Loomis glosses over so many details.

[Anonymous No.6775660]

>>6775631
Underrated

[Anonymous No.6775671]

>>6775660
it's been 4 posts

[Anonymous No.6775676]

>>6775568
What features would you say I'm symbol drawing?
Eyebrows are just for general placement.

[Anonymous No.6775677]

>>6775671
Overrated

[Anonymous No.6775685]

I don't have time to practice for real because Baldur's Gate but I drew the odd way my coworker sits at his computer because he looks like he's casting a spell at his desk and it fits

[Anonymous No.6775692]

On second month of figure grind. Now I do gesture + some more details. Proportions are so fucking hard for me, I always make legs too short and small and torso too long and I have to fix it several times. I'll have to grind lots and lots of figures to get used to proportions.

[Anonymous No.6775713]

>>6775676
The mouth and the eyes. Think about how your lips wrap around the muzzle and eyelids wrap around the eyeballs. Also avoid drawing individual eyelashes, try drawing them as clumps thinking about them as forms.

[Anonymous No.6775724]

>>6775692
Looking good anon, don't be afraid of drawing the hands. Also I assume your messy lines come from being so focused on trying to get the proportions down, it can be valuable to mix in some quick gestures where you focus on just getting the pose down with a few lines.

[Anonymous No.6775725]

Would it be foolish to pursue pastels as a /beg/ drawer with no experience in painting? Of course it would only be an activity secondary to drawing box and roomis

Pic rel is pastel with my best ability from real life subject

[Anonymous No.6775737]

>>6775725
no, its good to use different mediums from time to time. The more enjoyable drawing is, the easier it is to stick to it

[Anonymous No.6775739]

I own ALL art and ALL references. I am the master of all art and form. I will NOT give any of you credit for I created it all.

[Anonymous No.6775742]

>>6775739
how are you doing today, god? do you still not love me?

[Anonymous No.6775743]

>>6775742
I'm doing okay. I am not sure I love you anon.

[Anonymous No.6775747]

>>6775742
>>6775743
Stfu and give the beg some feedback

[Anonymous No.6775750]

>>6775747
Feedback is evil. I am here because /i/ is only valid board.

[Anonymous No.6775752]

>>6775724
Thanks. I simply didn't get to hands yet lol. I am sticking to Eviston's course on gestures and I'll learn and try drawing hands next.
My lines suck, yes, I try to train line confidence, but my main focus is on precision and getting proportions right.
I also do quick gesture first and then draw over it, but I hid the layer. Here's what I do first.

[Anonymous No.6775753]

>>6775752
you should get in the habit of drawing the spine first and then build out, it helps with the gestures.

[Anonymous No.6775758]

oh well

[Anonymous No.6775769]

I'm mostly finished with this piece. I'm not sure how her hoof feet would look in a squatting position like that so I didn't bother drawing them.

[Anonymous No.6775772]

>>6775769
don't be afraid to draw hands and feet. did you use the mirror tool, your eyes are not aligned

[Anonymous No.6775774]

>>6775772
I saw that her eyebrow wasn't aligned and that was on my "to-do" list of shit to fix but I didn't actually notice the eyes. I'll take another look at them but they are supposed to be slanting downwards a little bit if that's what you mean

[Anonymous No.6775775]

>>6775758
kek

>>6775725
that is really pretty anon
whatever makes art fun for you needs no further justification. go for it

>>6775635
>>6775577
>>6775530
i hope you are merely burnt out from grinding, and grinding the most difficult subject there is, the face at that
instead of demotivated on a grand scale
your progress in just 30 drawings is tremendous
even if it is from reference, #29 is already on a higher level than ALOT of people who get paid to draw commissions
and #30 i personally think is cuter than the ref. reminds me of my OC i drew when i started out

if you want to switch things up to reduce the grind, consider doing tits or asses. compared to faces they are much easier, and when you make mistakes on those it looks predominantly funny instead of uncanny

even though i stopped the numbered sketches on my end, im still with you in spirit 100headsanon <3

>>6775611
SOVL
is that from ref or imagination?
the shading could be made simpler and more deliberate. right now it looks like spots of dirt / water on her clothes
if the background had black lines as well the character and bg would fit together more
on that note, try a dark red/brown/blue/violet as lines instead of pure black
i cant tell, but it seems the shading is inconsistent in terms of color temperature. on her skin its warm, on her shirt its cold-ish. it depends on what kind of layer modes you are using for shading. not saying you should switch to what i am suggesting, just try moving all shading on one layer, set it to multiple, and colorize the whole layer to be grey, or dark violet, or dark blue etc to see how a consistent color temperature would affect different colors on her
any other feedback would be about proportions, anatomy etc. all things you probably can see yourself

[Anonymous No.6775779]

It’s this any better with the value? I still Need to render some parts

[Anonymous No.6775790]

[Anonymous No.6775797]

>>6775739
>I own and am the author of ALL of the loli porn

[Anonymous No.6775801]

>>6775631
lol

[Anonymous No.6775803]

>>6775635
>draw heads from imagination
>it’s bad
>but better than before

one day at a time anons, WAGMI

>>6775775
okay i was gonna say a lot more but 4chan reloaded after i clicked off for 5 seconds to do something so i’ll keep this short ish

i’m just a bit burnt out from the faces, i just need to do something else and i’ll be back at it soon
thanks for supporting me :)

fyi that drawing is VERY cute

[Anonymous No.6775812]

>>6775803
>notices lack of number
y-you are going to count that head towards your goal...
right anon?
...right?

[Anonymous No.6775833]

>>6775489
tendons in the hand are not straight, they are angled and all meet in the middle to the wrist

[Anonymous No.6775834]

>>6775713
Thanks, hard agree on month. I need to do more eyes, cant say I symbol draw them I just suck.
I don't like anime so lashes will not be clump.

Cheers!

[Anonymous No.6775838]

>>6775812
>having a count instead of doing it until it's clear you get it
you're just going to rush if you say "yeah i'll do 100! then i'll be good!"

[Anonymous No.6775839]

>>6775812
*sigh*

head number 31…

>CAPTCHA: RAHJJ

[Anonymous No.6775846]

Trying to move away from stick figures to using shapes for posing. How are these? Each took about 1 minute (working on speed and loosening up). The ones with arrows I did first from imagination, and the others are from reference.

[Anonymous No.6775848]

>>6775838
nah i’m not expecting to be good after 100, it’s just sorta a starting point so that i don’t puke every time i look at an attempt to draw a head from an angle that isn’t the front

i’ll probably have to draw 1000s to truely get good

but i am NOT counting to 1000 with the heads i draw

[Anonymous No.6775854]

>>6775848
yeah, good, a lot of people hear "draw one hundred heads!" and it seems like such a milestone and then a chore that each head they draw ends up being rushed without much thought into it; take your time with each one, get it right, erase/undo mistakes and try it until you get it

that will help you discover your weaknesses pretty fast too, whether it's eyes or the nose or lips, and since you take your time, you'll start to automatically try to improve each head as you grow more comfortable, adding shading or stylisation you've seen elsewhere

[Anonymous No.6775859]

>>6775775
>SOVL
>is that from ref or imagination?
The figure is from imagination, for the colors I referenced promotional artwork

In general, this is some of the best feedback I've gotten from this website. I'll keep trying more things and improving.

[Anonymous No.6775861]

Bring the heat(I already know about atmospheric perspective, I applied it very sparingly).
I'm too happy with this piece and I need motivation to rotate some boxes and do timed figure drawings
>>6775769
I love this
>>6775779
I didn't see the original, cool style though. I'm not good enough to give you did advice, but I feel like you need harder edged terminators and some more shaper and more intense specular highlights in key spots, like maybe the pauldron, helmet, and face. Keep it up

[Anonymous No.6775867]

>>6775861
give you solid* advice
some sharper* and more intense specular highlights

[Anonymous No.6775893]

Is it ever a good idea to lower opacity and overlay your drawing over the reference to check accuracy?

[Anonymous No.6775894]

>collabing with new art fren
>end up ghosting them for a week
how do I repair this

[Anonymous No.6775896]

>>6775725
good use of color to depict light and shadow

[Anonymous No.6775897]

>>6775893
no, forget total accuracy unless your goal is to be a realism portrait artist

[Anonymous No.6775898]

>>6775753
I tried it, when I read Hampton's book on figure drawing, but it just doesn't work for me on this stage. I like Proko's and Eviston's methods more.

[Anonymous No.6775903]

>>6775790
This is cute and slightly eerie. I feel like the lack of anti-aliasing actually takes away from your style though. Maybe use like a pencil brush for a similar effect?

[Anonymous No.6775918]

>>6775833
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.6775919]

>>6775769
probably something like that, otherwise you're good. Finish it!

[Anonymous No.6775920]

>>6775919
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.6775933]

>>6775772
>feet
you mean hooves and I can't exactly blame him for not wanting to draw them
>>6775920
try again anon

[Anonymous No.6775935]

>>6775897
>realism portrait artist
God forbid
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.6775940]

>>6775933
no

[Anonymous No.6775942]

>>6774438
this time from... unsavory reference....

>>6775476
you better keep drawing as well. maybe once I make the transition to digital I will magically be less messy. doing these in pen in hopes of some line confidence for now

[Anonymous No.6775960]

>>6775476
careful anon. ktd isn't a reference book, it's about converting your real-world observations into line. you'll get less value from copying the diagrams than from mindfully repeating each of the lessons a couple of times, changing the subject to something you're particularly interested in each time. you run the risk of rushing to complete pages of pretty useless diagrams, such as these hands (when you could have learned more by just drawing your own hand a few extra times), or even burning out completely. stick with it though

[Anonymous No.6776013]

>>6775918
go through bridgman's section on hands, draw it all, it'll make hands pretty easy
>>6775935
remember that when you're using a reference, you're using it as a foundation to learn something from it, either to create something your own with it, or to capture the idea; you don't want a reference drawing to be a 1:1 match because realistically you are to implement your own style, which means capturing its idea but with a very different line and shape language

[Anonymous No.6776016]

>>6775537
SOMEONE ANSWER THIS QUESTION GOD!

[Anonymous No.6776034]

feet study

[Anonymous No.6776041]

>>6775537
>>6776016
It is never a good idea to completely withhold a combination from your point of best performance to use as a basis in further encouragement.

[Anonymous No.6776042]

>>6775537
>>6776016
you're not expected to do anything and you can do whatever you want, literally try it all and find the middle ground where things just work for you

[Anonymous No.6776062]

>>6776042
Bullshit. You faggots have ragged on me plenty of times for “not progressing fast enough” or “learning the wrong things.” Obviously there is a fixed way to do things.

[Anonymous No.6776066]

>>6776062
Ignore people like this please.

[Anonymous No.6776080]

>>6776066
ignore people who complain about crabs

[Anonymous No.6776088]

thoughts on my dark skin archer design? how can i make more people want to pull for her....

[Anonymous No.6776092]

>>6776088
dumping more stuff

[Anonymous No.6776093]

>>6776062
That anon is correct though. There is no one correct process, only good results. Do what gets you good results. What do you think artists did before Vilppu or Loomis?

[Anonymous No.6776095]

>>6776092
some expressions i shambled together

[Anonymous No.6776098]

>>6776093
Vilppu and Loomis were Adam and Eve not a lot of people know of this.

[Anonymous No.6776102]

>>6776098
Then who is YHWH and the Demiurge

[Anonymous No.6776105]

>>6776062
By the time youre replying and waiting you could have spent a ton of time trying it out for yourself. Whatever you will read will be an opinion too, ableit an experienced one.

[Anonymous No.6776106]

>>6776088
>>6776092
Based archer bro I was going to do an archer drawing recently but have been too lazy

[Anonymous No.6776116]

>>6776088
Her arms are really short and the proportions all over the place.

[Anonymous No.6776117]

>>6776116
can you redline?

[Anonymous No.6776118]

>>6776093
So are you lying now when you say that anon is right, or were you lying then when you said I was learning wrong? Or are you just a retard?

[Anonymous No.6776123]

>>6776062
>You
strong implication that i have ever interacted with you before, but sure, do what you want, i don't give a shit

[Anonymous No.6776136]

What can I do to improve here? It looks weird. Is it the coloring?

[Anonymous No.6776138]

>>6776136
I believe it's the shape of the head

[Anonymous No.6776139]

>>6776136

[Anonymous No.6776142]

>>6776136
i am depressed as shit but those construction lines that measure the height of the ears pushed me over the edge and made me laugh
thank you anon
saved

[Anonymous No.6776143]

>>6776098
i think vilppu was eve

[Anonymous No.6776147]

>>6776136
Looks like you need to study anime instead of whatever you are doing currently!

[Anonymous No.6776150]

>>6776136
i cant stop looking at this holy shit
AI will never replace mankind as long as anons like these exist
you cant make this shit up

[Anonymous No.6776154]

>>6776118
There are multiple people in this thread, anon. I haven't said anything like that.

[Anonymous No.6776156]

>>6776034
toes on the left feel pretty two-dimensional, otherwise breddy gud

[Anonymous No.6776159]

what does this convey to you?

[Anonymous No.6776163]

>>6776159
literally nothing
i can't even tell what's going on

[Anonymous No.6776176]

>>6776088
>>6776092
>>6776095
that looks amazing, but your anatomy/construction is very off in many of the drawings, and the clothing is missing a lot of folds. use a reference if you can or work on those too things overall. I'm saying this because there are anatomy/constrcution mistakes in all the pieces.

it is still very aesthetic, the gesture, colors and design are incredible, and, by the way, this is more important to art than the previous things I mentioned.

[Anonymous No.6776178]

>>6776163
well, shit

on the left there is supposed to be a handsome dude extending his hand toward the viewer. on his shoulder, the girl being choked by some dude. on the right, she is supposed to be shocked after opening a door. bottom right should be the girl crying with a finger pointing at her. this is my first attempt at a composing something like this. I will try some iterations of that.

[Anonymous No.6776182]

>>6776176
Bro, I didn't come here to get vague advice. It's an older design I made 2 months ago so I wanted to see how other people would fix it. I think you should be more specific

[Anonymous No.6776185]

>>6776182
Just post it in the redline thread if you want a redline anon.

[Anonymous No.6776189]

>>6776185
Those guys are retards though, they straight up told me that I draw better than them now. Most of the time their shit is super scuffed anyways

[Anonymous No.6776198]

I started drawing again and want to practice drawing portraits, name me some pretty female celebrities.

[Anonymous No.6776200]

>>6776142
Picrel
>>6776139
Not

[Anonymous No.6776201]

>>6776198
Rosie O'Donnell, Jocelyn Wildenstein, Oprah Winfrey, Whoopi Goldberg, Yoko Ono and Lena Dunham.

[Anonymous No.6776202]

>>6776198
emma watson (while she was still underage)
ellen page (while she was still underage and a girl)
all the actresses from cuties
ughhhh
the girl that played the main character in wizard of oz (while she was underage)
every female that appeared on the disney channel as teens
that one black and white picture of hillary clinton as an underage girl in white lingerie
give me a minute i can think of more

[Anonymous No.6776203]

>>6776182
and you're asking //beg/s why?

[Anonymous No.6776207]

>>6776182
I would be glad to redline all of it and might do it later but my work would be for nothing since you will only improve if you practice these fundamental skills I mentioned or use a reference. I am saying this because this is happening in all the drawings, especially the complete lack of clothing folds, there isn't a single fold in any of them and it destroys the threedimensionality of the pieces

[Anonymous No.6776210]

>>6776207
Don't bother he is just here to put others down.

[Anonymous No.6776211]

>>6776088
>how can i make more people want to pull for her....
More skin.

[Anonymous No.6776213]

>>6776136

[Anonymous No.6776216]

>>6776088
>how can i make more people want to pull for her....
give her (and every other character you create) DISTINCT personalities and please stay away from the cliches

[Anonymous No.6776217]

>>6776207
You sure do talk alot... Drawing is understanding, so if you can see that many issues surely you can do a couple draw overs.
Let's see those redlines anon, i was going to redo it but im curious to see how somebody else would do it.

[Anonymous No.6776218]

[Anonymous No.6776220]

>>6776088
Pretty good. Can you get her into a more dynamic pose? It's a bit boring and overly symmetrical and doesn't tell me anything about her. You're putting everything energetic about this image into the cape which feel like a crutch, plus I think it draws the eye away from her main features.

[Anonymous No.6776222]

>>6776092
Yeah, still not a fan of the little cape. It's distracting and you're putting all the motion and energy of your image into it rather than the character.

[Anonymous No.6776223]

>>6776218
Nice muscles. The head has some issues though. It looks like he's a cyclops.

[Anonymous No.6776226]

>>6776217
Anon, why don't you tell us what you think are your own weak points in the drawing? Clearly you are not receptive to "the anatomy is messy," maybe it will help you get more targeted feedback.

[Anonymous No.6776236]

>>6776217
wow
I have no idea where all of this butthurt is coming from

[Anonymous No.6776237]

>>6776236
See >>6776210

[Anonymous No.6776238]

>>6776041
>>6776042
Thanks for answering
>>6776062
This isn't me

[Anonymous No.6776239]

>>6776226
My guy it aint that deep, i literally was just asking for quick redlines so that I can potentially fix the mistakes in the figure. Anon is being a faggot and deliberately choosing not to to show a visual example. The expressions I know I can change to be better but all i really care about is the main pose since thats the main thing. If I like his redline, then ill take his ideas and redraw it, if not, then ill ignore and move on, pretty simple

[Anonymous No.6776241]

>>6776223
Thanks for the tip. The head at that angle was a little harder than I anticipated.

[Anonymous No.6776242]

>>6776237
I can't fathom why
we should probably just ignore him then.

[Anonymous No.6776245]

>>6776092
Her ass is too small, make it bigger.

[Anonymous No.6776246]

>>6776242
Yeah, if he wanted a redline he'd post in in the redline thread, instead he posts it in beg so he can shit on people giving critique.

[Anonymous No.6776251]

>>6776218
When r u actually gonna finish something?

[Anonymous No.6776255]

[Anonymous No.6776257]

>>6776251
I have. Several times.

[Anonymous No.6776267]

Sup beg, today i was very lazy and barely finished the stuff. now i can open even horizontal boxes!

>>6773879
one more (you), i tried my beg hand at fire. it looks beg
>>6776034
that feet on left is poopy (fingers), foot on right is way way better
>>6775894
a basic set of communication skills like
>sup anon, i couldnt reply to you because of my advanced autism outplayed me. but now i clawed back to normiedom. here is the pic btw
>>6775861
holy shit i kneel!
>>6775790
cute anime thot
>>6775779
yeah now it is popping way better
>>6775769
the mesh on her thighs isnt following the form. there are various digital tricks how to "bend" textures if you feel lazy to do it yourself
>>6775725
you can create art with any medium and pastels are beautiful. this teddy bear is oozing warmth and soul
>>6775611
turbo lazy shading on drapery, wall has no texture, horizon is tilted too much, she is holding lolipop wrong
>>6774861
this thing singlehandedly made me stop playing strive forever.
>>6774670
information overload. when you are copying bridgman then torso is like 5 lines. when you see photo of real person torso is this infinite number of shades, planes and weirdly shaped bones and fat where nothing makes sense. basically copying from photo is like trying to do homework while copying someones else art is like copying the finished homework from a friend
>>6774991
if you are asking for my blog then here you are
pawell2418.github.io
>>6776255
that is very cool thot and i like all that style

[Anonymous No.6776285]

>>6776239
>Anon is being a faggot and deliberately choosing not to to show a visual example
You're not paying him, retard. How are you going to convince people to put in effort for you by sperging out like this?

[Anonymous No.6776288]

>>6776267
>turbo lazy shading on drapery, wall has no texture, horizon is tilted too much, she is holding lolipop wrong

Thank you for your honesty.

[Anonymous No.6776307]

>>6776285
Not really, he said he would do a redline and when I call him out and challenge him to actually say something specific he vanishes. As someone who's been on this board for a while I know when people are talking out of their ass, it's much harder to fake what you're talking about in a drawing. The other guys talking about the cape or whatever is at least a step in the right direction in being specific. I personally liked the cape but there are definitely other options to show more dynamism. Nobody on here has any credentials to speak of, so drawings speak louder than words.

[Anonymous No.6776317]

>>6776307
you got your feelings hurt and now you are sperging out while nobody even cares
rethink your priorities

[Anonymous No.6776326]

>>6776317
How is me calmly asking answering questions sperging out? I'm confused, anon.

[Anonymous No.6776351]

new
>>6776348
thread
>>6776348
here
>>6776348

[Anonymous No.6776405]

>>6776267
extremely beg fire but better than I can manage
thanks for the tip too, finding drawings of fires isn't the easiest but it has helped