/beg/ & /int/ - Beginner and Intermediate Thread

[Anonymous No.6246841]

If you are a /beg/inner or /int/ermediate in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the drawthread with fundamental exercises.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS using one of the following methods:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in MSPaint

READ THE STICKY:
Completed: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit
New collaborative sticky (anyone can edit): https://hackmd.io/UMnZVhNITW-T2wZpHw6d0Q
Old: http://www.squidoo.com/how-to-draw-learn

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR BEGINNERS:
- The Art and Science of Drawing
- Perspective Drawing Handbook
- Vilppu Drawing Manual (and literally any other book made by Glenn Vilppu)
- Figure - Design and invention
- Pen and Ink
- The Natural Way To Draw

RECOMMENDED BOOKS FOR INTERMEDIATES:
- How to Draw by Scott Robertson
- How to Render by Scott Robertson
- Color and Light: A Guide for the Realist Painter by James Gurney
- Morpho: Anatomy for Artists (and Literally any other book made by Michel Lauricella)
- Anatomy for Sculptors

TRY TO BE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK.
When giving feedback, avoid vague "advice" - point what's wrong and try to give the anon you're quoting a clear direction to improve their art (study heads < watch THIS VIDEO about head structure, read THIS SECTION of THIS ARTIST'S BOOK, etc).
You, feedback seeking anon, should also try to be clear and concise when asking for critique/help. When posting your artwork, say what you want help with, and what's your goal with the study/artwork.

Previous thread: >>6242955

[Anonymous No.6246844]

Is it a problem if I draw too big/small and just scale things? I'm on a 2500x3000 canvas. I usually draw way too small and now I'm drawing too big.

Also help with this drawing. I'm lost on how to continue the torso upwards, no matter what line I use it looks weird. Cause of the crotch? I'm sure it's perspective related.

[Anonymous No.6246849]

>>6246844

[Anonymous No.6246853]

[Anonymous No.6246860]

Trying to learn how the fuck layer blending thing works on Medibang. I suck at coloring, but blending options make the process more bearable. The gun and carrying bag are greyscaled because I didn't bother to color them yet. I don't like how the gun-holding hand has sharp light edges but don't know how to soften it up. The layer order for that hand is basically
>outline
>highlight with "add" blending option
>flat skin color with "color" blending option
>Greyscale
If anyone can give advice for this gun holding hand or just any advice would be appreciated

[Anonymous No.6246932]

kinda old fanart. it looks boring idk

[Anonymous No.6246937]

>>6246932
It looks boring because it's missing a line of action.

[Anonymous No.6246944]

tell me why it looks so uncanny

[Anonymous No.6246957]

>>6246944
Because you use realistic body proportions with realistic shading, but with anime proportioned head. Either stylize more or make it more realistic.

[Anonymous No.6246962]

>>6246944
You are drawing trannime

[Anonymous No.6246989]

>>6246957
shrunk her head, does this look like an improvement?

[Anonymous No.6247039]

Hey guys, tried my portrait skill in graffiti. Honest critique, pls.

[Anonymous No.6247049]

>>6247039
Were you trying to go for a Picasso look?

[Anonymous No.6247056]

can I get some help with this face? I'd like to add some depth to the eyes especially

[Anonymous No.6247070]

>>6246841
I usually always end up painting without focus. Trying to go back to sketching / observational fundamentals.

[Anonymous No.6247071]

Shoujo art-style practice. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6247073]

>>6246932
Normies will gobble it up

[Anonymous No.6247076]

>>6246932
How did u learn how to render? Having a hard time grasping it

[Anonymous No.6247083]

>>6247071
Mouth needs to be smaller and no lip stick this time.

[Anonymous No.6247087]

>>6246841
>The Art and Science of Drawing
is there a workchart sheet of what someone should draw/learn to improve ? most of my practice drawing are either too complicated and make me feel awfull or too simple whitch hinders any real progress

[Anonymous No.6247111]

The ultimate bodyguard. I hate drawing hair

[Anonymous No.6247121]

>>6247049
>>54961416

[Anonymous No.6247125]

>>6247121
Shit, forgot to specify the board
>>>/k/54961416

[Anonymous No.6247135]

>>6246989
It is an improvement but I would follow his advice and go for a more stilyzed body

[Anonymous No.6247139]

>>6246989
muddy color palette

[Anonymous No.6247216]

quick warmup with a dull pencil before I go back to my usual routine.

[Anonymous No.6247226]

I painteded a cup with my mouse. am I a super pro gmi industry standard epic artist yet /ic/?

[Anonymous No.6247245]

>>6247226
If thats truely by mouse, then it is impressive...

[Anonymous No.6247277]

>>6247135
sunken cost fallacy in action, trying to learn colours, I will continue polishing this turd
>>6247139
I could cover some skin and make her a heckin based gothgf, what do you think?

[Anonymous No.6247278]

>>6247277
Oh fuck I just realized why it looks like that, you are using the hard round meme arent you?!

[Anonymous No.6247292]

>>6247111
But the only way it'll be easier is if you try to paint hair.

[Anonymous No.6247294]

>>6247278
I'm using the normal g-pen and a moonrunes-brush

[Anonymous No.6247296]

[Anonymous No.6247303]

>>6246937
i'm still not sure how to apply this to my portraits but i guess i'll try to study this thing. thanks

>>6247073
not really

>>6247076
idk i didn't really tried to study rendering. though sometimes i look at other's work for ideas

[Anonymous No.6247320]

[Anonymous No.6247327]

>>6247296
you are easily recognizable and that's a good thing
don't ever lose your soul

[Anonymous No.6247334]

Trying to paint metal (or any material that isn't just matte bullshit) convincingly is giving me diseases

[Anonymous No.6247336]

>>6247296
Your stuff is looking better

[Anonymous No.6247362]

>>6247327
>>6247336
Thanks guys!
I'm trying to do the Banner Saga style it isn't really my own thing, yet.
Pic related it's the model for the last ones.

[Anonymous No.6247374]

>>6247334
amazing
how to paint metal?

[Anonymous No.6247384]

[Anonymous No.6247388]

Can I make this into an oil painting

Im an autist tryna make dough with whatever comes out

[Anonymous No.6247393]

>>6247374
Buy/pirate how to render by scott robertson if you want all the autistic details or look up youtube videos

[Anonymous No.6247415]

>>6247388
I don't know, can you oil paint?

[Anonymous No.6247422]

>>6247415
At a amateur level

[Anonymous No.6247482]

>>6246989
draw outlines for a more stylized apporoach. the width and the curvature of the outlines are important, thicker at the highest curvature and thinner at angles. then work your way to thinner outlines

[Anonymous No.6247526]

I spent somewhere around three hours on this. Is it over?

[Anonymous No.6247529]

>>6247526
Do constructoids really?

[Anonymous No.6247531]

>>6247277
doesn't fix the underlaying issue. your palette is slightly off. try adding a tiny bit of red in there

[Anonymous No.6247555]

A week ago I started to seriously try and learn to draw. I’ve been completing the exercises in Dodson’s ‘Keys to Drawing’ while going through Loomis.

I’m getting the hang of constructing the head from different angles. However, every time I try to fill in the blank shape with features, it looks awful, like the woman on bottom right here. I think the problem is I haven’t properly learned how to draw facial features yet.

Should I learn facial features now? Or should I leave the heads blank, or with very rudimentary features, and continue through fun with a pencil onto figure drawing for all it’s worth?

(Also - after FDFAIW, I was going to move onto Vilppu, then Hampton. However I’ve looked up the Bargue drawing course after seeing it ITT and it looks really appealing. Is it worth chucking in a Bargue plate once or twice a week along side Loomis, Vilppu and Hampton?)

[Anonymous No.6247558]

>>6247056
Eyes are balls, not 2d. Try to add so,e shawoijg to the edges and a bit of foreshortenimg


Todays stuff

[Anonymous No.6247563]

>>6247555
cheater tricks 101 is to mirror your work while drawing (M key in Krita) you can see that something is wrong with eye left side

[Anonymous No.6247570]

>>6247555
Loomis might be a bit advanced for you at this stage. I mean if you want, you can learn facial features (they're also supposed to be constructed in the same way the larger head shape is) but at this stage I think you'd benefit more from going back and doing observational drawing until you're more confident with your lines and can reasonably accurately copy things you see. Otherwise construction is going to frustrate you to no end. /ic/ has known many such cases.

[Anonymous No.6247573]

>>6247570
>>6247563
Thanks. So you think just sticking to Dodson and those kinds of exercises are more beneficial at this stage, before learning the construction? I wouldn’t want to do a hundred sketches of things without improving - working smarter and all that. How do I make sure I improve if I’m not following an instructional book like Loomis’ one?

Thankfully I’m really enjoying this and have recently been moved to permanently working from home with like 3 hours a day free to draw so feels good man

[Anonymous No.6247591]

>>6247573
>How do I make sure I improve if I’m not following an instructional book like Loomis’ one?
Always compare your drawings to the reference after you're done and make a note of every part you got wrong.
This is actually an advantage of doing observational as you don't need a teacher to see where you fucked up. But it can still be beneficial to post it on here for example, to get other people's opinions. Keep doing both of these things. Get feedback, fix your mistakes, learn.

[Anonymous No.6247598]

>>6247573
>I wouldn’t want to do a hundred sketches of things without improving
Oh, sorry, I detect another pitfall. Lower your expectations. Loomis or not, hundred sketches isn't anywhere near enough to see noticeable improvement. It's gonna be a long and slow journey so take it easy.

[Anonymous No.6247621]

>>6247598
imagine wanting to be good without thousands of drawings over several years
people truly are retarded and have 0 idea of the reality of developing a skill
even for vidya you dedicate thousands of hours

[Anonymous No.6247629]

>>6247531
used the blend tool (which unfortunately made it muddier) as well as added some red

[Anonymous No.6247653]

>>6247529
pyw faggot

[Anonymous No.6247759]

>>6246841
Beg here. What makes it onions?

[Anonymous No.6247764]

i love trans people

[Anonymous No.6247765]

>>6247759
fucker looks like he ate soup for 5 weeks
Auschwitz/10

[Anonymous No.6247768]

>>6247526
nooo, why did you waste so much time

[Anonymous No.6247774]

Trying to practice/learn how to create depth and scale with basic geometric constructions. How do these read?

[Anonymous No.6247777]

>>6247526
No, you are going to progess faster than pretty much everyone else here. Don't stop

[Anonymous No.6247779]

>>6247526
it's always over

[Anonymous No.6247783]

>>6247774
Awesome anon
Gotta try to do those to

[Anonymous No.6247802]

>>6246841
Any advice in regards to the colors/values? Thanks in advance!

[Anonymous No.6247804]

when my older brother was little he was afraid of having nightmares, so my dad did the only logical thing and painted him a dinosaur holding a volleyball to protect him during his sleep
it is said that it worked, and my brother never had a nightmare again

[Anonymous No.6247805]

>>6247802
Looks cute to me, but I don't know anything about color

[Anonymous No.6247807]

>>6247804
also

[Anonymous No.6247810]

>>6246841
Posted some questions about learning semi-realistic female portrait drawings and got good responses, so much appreciation to those anons. Back with another pleb question. Obviously my shit looks extremely flat still and I’m not sure if it’s because my proportions are still a bit whack or is “3D” look achieved entirely by shading/rendering. If so, what’s a good course/book I can easily pirate to learn from. Too many YT videos are shit to dig through.

[Anonymous No.6247813]

>>6247804
>>6247807
excuse me good sir but you do still have that tutorial you made explaining your process on hatching and shading, i thought i had it saved

[Anonymous No.6247818]

>>6247804
>>6247807
Looking great, bro
>>6247783
Thanks

[Anonymous No.6247826]

>>6247813
sure

[Anonymous No.6247829]

So I would like to see a realistic human figure study in digital from start to finish. Have you guys ever seen something like that? I think Vilppu has some streams that but he rarely makes long studies.

[Anonymous No.6247835]

>>6247804
>>6247807
>>6247826
naf?

[Anonymous No.6247884]

>>6247802
If it's in direct sunlight consider adding a bit of blue to your shadows

[Anonymous No.6247907]

[Anonymous No.6247934]

Assigment 1 done

[Anonymous No.6247954]

hey guys, i've been working on this but i think the face looks a bit flat and the eyes are creepy, any ideas on how to fix this?

[Anonymous No.6247959]

>>6247954
Why does it look traced?

[Anonymous No.6247970]

>>6247934
which course is this from?

[Anonymous No.6247978]

>>6247629
Just cel shade it you dingus

[Anonymous No.6247981]

9001 hours in mspaint

[Anonymous No.6247982]

>>6247959
i used a reference but made the sketch from the ground up

i guess because the lineart isn't fully colored? that's not what's bugging me tho

[Anonymous No.6247986]

>>6247959
Bad lineart that doesn't follow the form.

[Anonymous No.6247987]

>>6247970
FZD scam course, Pic related is what you can expect from it

[Anonymous No.6247989]

>>6247970
Its from Feng Zhu School of Design, some Anon gave us a google drive doc wiht all their homework, so I am completting all the assigments on my own as I learn and study
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bz2oiGlP6fo2ZERRYkZhRWVOaUk?resourcekey=0-Oke79p39kWj9zf0nNCzlTw

[Anonymous No.6247992]

>>6247987
Eh concept art isn't really something I'm too interested in but I'd still give it a look either way
>>6247989
thanks fren, I'll take a look through this

[Anonymous No.6247994]

>>6247992
You are welcome, good luck

[Anonymous No.6248001]

>>6247774
Looks like non-constructoids getting btfo lately by perspective anons.

[Anonymous No.6248004]

>>6248001
>brony draws a couple of boxes
>OMG YOU ARE BEING BTFO
Constructoids truly are subhuman

[Anonymous No.6248005]

>both using -oid for a simple process.
stop replying to yourself.

[Anonymous No.6248008]

>>6248005
You literally want to have sex with horses kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6248009]

>implying I'm the brony
Go draw.

[Anonymous No.6248013]

just had sex with a horse

[Anonymous No.6248017]

>>6248004
post your perspective work anon. Oh yeah you are still doing fun with a pencil. How's that going for you as a non-constructoid?

[Anonymous No.6248020]

>>6248004
>>6248008
Jesus, whats gotten into you? I drew a sketch of a pony once, that means I want to fuck horses?
wtf

[Anonymous No.6248022]

[Anonymous No.6248034]

[Anonymous No.6248040]

>>6247982
Its the nose, she looks like michael jackson thats why its so creepy the down shape of the eyes around the eyebrow took, its looks too much like a skill's eye sockets

[Anonymous No.6248042]

>>6247954
The facial features features are misaligned with angle of the head. The construction of the eyelids is weird. The human eye doesn't have multiple irises.

[Anonymous No.6248048]

>>6247982
Otherwise, good job tho it looks pretty good. Its just the face features that make her look weird

[Anonymous No.6248052]

[Anonymous No.6248066]

>>6248001
I've noticed a few Anons studying Perspective lately, its kinda cool to see

[Anonymous No.6248071]

Any tips ?

[Anonymous No.6248080]

funny.

[Anonymous No.6248084]

>>6248040
>>6248042
I think i see what you guys mean, hopefully I can just paint over it without having to fix every layer

Thnx fellow anons

[Anonymous No.6248085]

Are any good resources for learning how to draw organic forms accurately in perspective?
I don't know what the rules are to it, really.

[Anonymous No.6248089]

>>6247934
I just want to post this for anyone that has doubts whether Erik Olson, Framed Perspective or just learning perspective in general is helpful or not
This is now >>6247934 (Week 6 assigment)
and pic related was me on assigment from week 3

[Anonymous No.6248091]

>>6248089
Why not just post Erik Olson's work instead of shitty sketches. This is the power of master of perspective Erik olson... He's that powerful and this is what you can hope to achieve

[Anonymous No.6248092]

>>6248089
massive gains anon.

[Anonymous No.6248096]

>>6248091
What's the problem, not them.

[Anonymous No.6248097]

>>6248091
Erik Olson has one weakness, and that is he relies TOO much on perspective rules for his work.

The idea perspective learning is sort of like
1. You do Erik Olson and understand the ''scientific'' side of perspective
2. You then move onto the ''Draw through, square as a unit'' method you'd learn from FZD, Scott or Watson Ernest

Mixing both, is how you turn the scientific into freehand intuition. Week 6 was not done by done any hardcore perspective, it was all freehand with a bit of Photoshop's shift lines

If you want a look into what you can achieve with this, then look at Krenz Works, Watson Ernest, Robert Watts, Syd Mead, Scott Robertson, Craig Mullins.. etc

Good luck, Anon I hope you are making some good progress

[Anonymous No.6248098]

[Anonymous No.6248101]

>>6248092
Thanks, Anon
Starting to feel more ready to tackle the final assigment for FZD's Term 1..

[Anonymous No.6248102]

>>6248089
Can you rotate a cube in any direction yet? I mean not random cubes at random rotations, but creating an animation sequence of rotating cubes from top to bottom of the paper diagonally for example.

[Anonymous No.6248103]

>>6248102
I can visualize it in my mind now, but I haven't personally tested myself by drawing a sequence like that. Would you like me to try? (I know zero about animation, so I can only draw them)

[Anonymous No.6248105]

>>6248103
anon don't go giving out your work to schizos they just want to find a way to crab you while you are not looking.

[Anonymous No.6248110]

>>6248105
Its Ok, because it helps Crabs and genuine Anons struggling with me to git gud. I wonder how many crabs are just burnt out from shady artists gatekeeping content behind paywalls, and misdirecting them. Learning art is tough.

[Anonymous No.6248112]

>>6248103
Yes please, I am looking for something that helps me do that so I can start Vilppu part 2.

[Anonymous No.6248130]

>>6247802
Did some changes, thoughts?

[Anonymous No.6248156]

Cool my image got picked for OP.
Slowly getting less scared of trees and colors with saturation of over 30. Super blurry and chalky but baby steps

[Anonymous No.6248171]

>>6248102
>>6248112
Hm, I still need more training, this is the best I could doing boxes and cubes from imagination

[Anonymous No.6248172]

>>6248156
Tha looks gorgeous

[Anonymous No.6248173]

>>6248171
Pretty good. I have 2 perspective books and I was reading both of them at once while starting Vilppu's book, then his second part required me to rotate a cube like an animation sequence. I skimmed through both perspective books and found that neither of those books would teach me to animate a cube, even if they teach 3 point perspective. Seems to be a different skillset. I hope Huston teaches that but I've started Drawabox (just completed Ghosted Planes) instead since I found nothing else other than a cheat method using circles on Youtube.

[Anonymous No.6248176]

>>6248173
Yeah, I know what you mean. It seems modern perspective books are a bit lame when it comes to moving you from just rules to applying it.
The only book that comes to my mind is ''Creative Perspective'' by W. Ernest, but its not exactly a book that'll give you want you want right away, and its going to ask you to do a lot reading through somewhat dry material, followed by 50 drawings of some boring stuff

The real answer here is that you should probably either do a bunch of boring perspective, or buy a cube shaped object irl and draw from it in all angles for a good while

[Anonymous No.6248200]

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[Anonymous No.6248204]

[Anonymous No.6248210]

>>6248173
> rotate a cube
just practice it - refer to the middle of this Krenz slide, you can ignore the bits about placing a figure inside the box. I think DaB's challenge is only good for learning how to approximate the convergence of lines accurately, it doesn't really help with visualizing forms turning in space - Vilppu is actually exceptional for this but still assumes a fundamental you should be able to draw a box.

> neither of those books would teach me to animate a cube
same thing with spheres and ellipsis, they just kind of assume you have grinded them somewhat and any deficiencies will improve as you continue. If you haven't grinded them then you should start.

[Anonymous No.6248212]

>>6248210
and by grind I mean draw no more than 50-100 freehand over a day or two, no reason to be an autist (like every DaB assignment) about it.

[Anonymous No.6248213]

>>6248210
are you chinese???1

[Anonymous No.6248214]

>>6247629
body looks much better. I'd go as far to say to add a tiny bit more red even
also your face is too dark, the body is bright so why is the face dark ya know? it makes it look like she's got eyebags instead

[Anonymous No.6248216]

>>6248213
no how is that relevant? Rotating a cube is a simple technique.

[Anonymous No.6248218]

>>6248216
subversive chinese rat

[Anonymous No.6248220]

>>6248210
Oh thanks this will be helpful. There's a severe lack of cube animating tutorials on yt.
I hate Drawabox but I think I'll do it on the side anyway still. They added this 50% rule which requires you to draw freehand as much as you studied and I'm quite fond of it, they didn't have this requirement before. I'm just gonna grind perspective from multiple resources while enjoying drawing and soon start Krenz' course.

[Anonymous No.6248221]

>>6248218
if you can't do a simple rotation under perspective how do you expect to feel the form?

[Anonymous No.6248227]

>>6248220
make sure to get the krenz content off the /ic/ torrent, also has vilppus renaissance and drawing manual vid series. very good stuff.

[Anonymous No.6248232]

How does one do a loomis head for Gundam style pilot helmets?

[Anonymous No.6248245]

I love these things, but they are a struggle to sketch

[Anonymous No.6248252]

how do people study Vil's drawing manual? So far I'm watching it alongside his renaissance nma course and doing the assignments there as well as going through the sketches in drawing manual.

I'd like to be able to draw the figures from imagination - and I try a little - but its super garbage unless I recreate a very generic standing or sitting pose. I hope this will just improve with more time spent on doing gestures and adding form from references.

I also started attending a weekly live drawing session where I can hopefully apply some of these skills effectively.

[Anonymous No.6248256]

>>6248245
looks like what you do in Robertson's how to draw book - I haven't gotten that far but the goal is accurate depiction of vehicles and environments.

Scott also gave a useful tip of going to a military or old car museum and just sketching for the day. Was going to go draw artillery this Saturday myself, sounds pretty comfy.

[Anonymous No.6248262]

>>6248256
Yeah, thats what I am trying to do aswell. I am going to attempt again but do it slowly with more construction
> Was going to go draw artillery this Saturday myself, sounds pretty comfy.
Ah damn, gonna post your sketches when you do? I'd love to see :o

[Anonymous No.6248276]

I guess this will do for a sketch. I'll need to fix the proportions next time I touch it.

[Anonymous No.6248307]

whatever

[Anonymous No.6248327]

>>6248307

[Anonymous No.6248331]

So this is the particular perspective I want to draw, right?

[Anonymous No.6248333]

>>6248331
But for some reason, every attempt I tried ended up not nearly being straight enough.

[Anonymous No.6248335]

>>6248331
Underrated subject for world building, for sure

[Anonymous No.6248344]

>>6248333
I tried moving the farther vanishing point off the page, but even that didn't work.

[Anonymous No.6248396]

>>6248245

[Anonymous No.6248404]

Nothing big today/not good or fast enough to draw anything larger that's in my interest with free time; Should change tomorrow, I slumber fellow /beg/s and greater artists.

[Anonymous No.6248435]

>>6247835
Inspired by naf

[Anonymous No.6248460]

>art isn't even good
>still got asked for a commission
i'm not here to flex but just know that drawing smut is ALWAYS an option

[Anonymous No.6248476]

I don't desire that but if you do, good for you.

[Anonymous No.6248483]

>>6247954
Maybe something like this?

[Anonymous No.6248524]

>>6248130
It is coming together really nice!

On think I would suggest is that you pay attention the several independent light sources like the firefly and the windows at the left side. All of those light sources should be affecting their environments, the firefly's light should be reflecting from the grass and the door. The windows' light should be at least somewhat reflecting from the staircase and the roots. This is the harder part of painting/rendering when you have to deal with multiple different light sources all of which have their own reflections that all mix together.

The other part is that the shadows can show the imperfections of the area they are cast one, like how grass are randomly poking out here and there and the ground is not a perfectly flat surface but has bumps and holes randomly and again grass is sticking out in random directions.

I tried to show these ideas a bit. If you have questions ask.

[Anonymous No.6248672]

[Anonymous No.6248690]

Don’t mind me just a beg posting random doodles

[Anonymous No.6248698]

>>6248672
Cool asf

[Anonymous No.6248731]

Monkey

[Anonymous No.6248795]

r8 my wip
>>6248731
nice expressions on the guy
>>6248307
good comp

[Anonymous No.6248810]

>>6248795
It's a character in a blank white void and out of all the things to point out, you compliment the composition?

[Anonymous No.6248822]

>>6248795
Hot.

[Anonymous No.6248836]

>>6248795
Bro, don't use line tool for straights in something like this. Every other line is fluid, and the table is perfectly machine drawn, it sticks out like a sore thumb. Not to mention the lines ended up too thick compared to the rest, which draws attention to the least important part of the entire image, and mess up depth perception, because the character in front has thinner lines.

[Anonymous No.6248926]

>>6248344
Does anyone have suggestions on how to make this work?

[Anonymous No.6248945]

>>6248331
>>6248926
The top plane of the book isn't parallel to the ground plane, so its vanishing line isn't the horizon. One of the vanishing point is far to the right, the other is high up ABOVE the top edge of the paper. The line connecting them (the vanishing line for the top plane of the book) isn't parallel to the horizontal edge of the canvas.

[Anonymous No.6249010]

[Anonymous No.6249352]

>>6247558
thanks, is this better?

[Anonymous No.6249360]

not my art but can someone explain something about this piece to me? I know it looks bad in general because her face looks derpy and it's looks pretty flat but why does her holding the sword look so odd? I don't understand what they did wrong there?

[Anonymous No.6249366]

>>6249360
To hold sword like that you would need to pull your shoulder from the socket. It's too far from torso.

[Anonymous No.6249370]

>>6249360
>>why does her holding the sword look so odd?
Explain more this is really vague what exactly did you mean under being "odd"?

[Anonymous No.6249374]

>>6249360
Pose needs le line of action...

[Anonymous No.6249484]

>>6249352
The best way to make things look less flat and more 3D, is to add more shadow areas this can be done by making larger areas of different values and adding darker shades at key places. The value range of your colors were very narrow it is difficult achieve good shading like that.

[Anonymous No.6249527]

i was drawing for around a month i think doing exercises and this is my first attempt painting a face from reference
any critique/advice

[Anonymous No.6249538]

>>6249527
not dark enough

[Anonymous No.6249553]

>>6249527
Verry nice for one month!

[Anonymous No.6249595]

>>6249484
Very cute!

[Anonymous No.6249599]

>>6249553
Thank you
>>6249538
oh i see thank you

[Anonymous No.6249603]

>>6249527
>>6249538
>>6249553
I really don't want to crab but doesn't looking at stuff like this and all the hard work that went into it and then checking out what AI can do make you want to kill yourself?

[Anonymous No.6249607]

fuck off

[Anonymous No.6249610]

>>6249603
You helicopter has arrived, ''Miss'' Narcissa, or was it Lillith? Any of the demon tranny names you estrogenized folk love so much
Please, step in. Lets go for a helicopter ride :)

[Anonymous No.6249611]

>>6249603
Not really no.
If AI can produce what I want it to produce I might even use it.

[Anonymous No.6249613]

I mean i don't really care about end result
it's fun to draw and study and it is just a hobby for me

[Anonymous No.6249614]

>>6249603
yes it does
but basically the only way for the art community to survive is to bury our heads and pretend that it doesn't exist, is shit, etc, to stop literally thousands of suicides in the next few months
in my mind i am completely aware that dall-e could make something better with literally zero effort but because a fellow human being has made the bad painting in the posts above I will defend his work to the death despite knowing in my heart that AI is better
it's kind of like showing kindness to trans people and telling them they pass when in reality they are sus af

[Anonymous No.6249615]

>>6247226
Cup cuck

[Anonymous No.6249618]

>>6249614
>Shitty grammar
>Unable to capitalise letters properly
Everytime, it proves only low IQ users are concerned about AI

[Anonymous No.6249620]

>Everyone filtered my trash spam
>I will invade every thread where people actually draw.
Nigger tier behaviour.

[Anonymous No.6249623]

>>6249618
The structure and vocabulary of that post are obviously not ESL, just a modern Discord teen who never uses capital letters or periods. People who don't care about AI are either of sincerely sub-functioning IQ or know better but have accepted that complete denial is preferable to admitting that they've just lost years of skill and training in a matter of literal weeks to a giant Big Tech monster that's going to steal their jobs with no effort.

[Anonymous No.6249627]

>>6249620
Evil can only destroy, not create

[Anonymous No.6249628]

[Anonymous No.6249631]

>>6246989
make her chest flatter, the proportions don't fit otherwise because they look too cartoonish for the kind of style you're going for

[Anonymous No.6249638]

>>6249610
>>6249620
who?

[Anonymous No.6249640]

red flags on this? (1 year of practice). roast me?

[Anonymous No.6249645]

>>6249638
Trannies always choose Greek or Jewish demon names, its the Narcissism causing them to want to name themselves something epic or more powerful than just the mentally ill retards they are

>Lilith, female demonic figure of Jewish folklore. Her name and personality are thought to be derived from the class of Mesopotamian demons called lilû (feminine: lilītu), and the name is usually translated as “night monster.” A cult associated with Lilith survived among some Jews as late as the 7th century ce

[Anonymous No.6249648]

>>6246989
make her chest bigger

[Anonymous No.6249654]

>>6249640
profile looks good. rest of head does not. try drawing the back of his head to see what I mean

[Anonymous No.6249656]

>>6249654

so i complete his head? gonna try

[Anonymous No.6249661]

>>6249623
They are poster childs for abortion

[Anonymous No.6249667]

[Anonymous No.6249678]

>>6246944
>>6246989
>>6249631
this was done in a rush but I think this is what you were going for

[Anonymous No.6249709]

Doing some t-shirts for my brother and I’m having trouble with the anatomy on the guy on the right. Something about his left arm and chest aren’t looking right to me. The hand are going to get cleaned up and refined, but the way his shoulder is connecting to his arm is bothering me.

[Anonymous No.6249717]

>>6247526
did i manage to pull it off?

[Anonymous No.6249726]

>>6248524
I think I'm finished. Thanks!

[Anonymous No.6249738]

>>6249726
the birds would eat the tiny people

[Anonymous No.6249741]

I now that no matter what I post crabs here will say it sucks and that it's a trap but Drawing on The Right Side of the Brain seems to get some heavy hate.
I know there's pseudocience stuff and you should only do the exercises. Even still people trash on it all the time. Is it really not that good?

[Anonymous No.6249742]

>>6249726
Literally a 5 minute job for AI and it would get the perspective better
>sketch exploration
You don't have to worry about all that shit anymore my man, stop living in 2013

[Anonymous No.6249758]

>>6249742

[Anonymous No.6249762]

>>6249741
Based on my reading of it (I dropped it)
It's good if you're a beg who thinks he can't draw and need to be motivated.
If you already hold to the propositions that she put forward... what good does it do to your artistry to read it? You can spend that time drawing instead. This reasoning is why, I think, people recommend simply do the exercises.

Also, there is some tedious stuff in there like creating a structure with cardboard or wood or some shit in order to train your seeing.
It's really annoying to go and have to try to do all that when I just want to draw. Loomis just tells me to get my pencil and start having fun (albeit not fun). I actually didn't know people trash on it and it sucks - I indepedently thought to myself... "Is this book actually trash? This just seems like a drawn out version of the stick" Then I went in the sticky and saw that they said to not read it and just do the exercises from it lol. Which made infinitely more sense to me. People saying it sucks and is a trap makes sense to me too. It sucks and is trash for someone already motivated to git gud.
Let's put two people in a room. One copies Bridgman, the other does whatever is in here. The Bridgmanner would have more gainz and the Right Sider would probably still be beg so maybe it is a trap.

[Anonymous No.6249861]

Trying to do more horrorish stuff, does anyone know anything about doing effective gore without it being hyper realistic
like the implication of guts from shitty textures in old playstation survival horrors

[Anonymous No.6249874]

>>6249758
>the relevance of composition, perspective, 3D visualization, anatomy, and rendering in art after 2024

[Anonymous No.6249904]

>>6249738
They ride the birds. I did a bad job at storytelling it seems.

[Anonymous No.6249907]

>>6247759
punished chad

[Anonymous No.6249908]

>>6249742
Can you point it out please? Why wouldn't an employer want to see my process?

[Anonymous No.6249913]

>>6249908
Employer? Have you been living in a cave for the last few weeks, dude?

[Anonymous No.6249918]

>>6249908
Don't bother replying, we are getting raided by losers that can be asked to improve, and surrendered to some cope fantasy that AI art will replace everyone

[Anonymous No.6249919]

>>6249484
awesome paintover it really helps a lot, thanks!
>The best way to make things look less flat and more 3D, is to add more shadow areas this can be done by making larger areas of different values and adding darker shades at key places
I see, yeah I have a lot of trouble with rendering and light. only know the bare bones of it but I just started reading the scott robertson book so hopefully I get somewhere
>The value range of your colors were very narrow it is difficult achieve good shading like that.
definitely going to work on that!

[Anonymous No.6249925]

>>6249913
>Ah shit, here we go again
I just wanted a critique lad. Anyway, back to the drawing board...

[Anonymous No.6249935]

>>6249918
>we are getting raided
the absolute fucking cope. only a week or so ago the narrative was that /ic/ was only freaking out because a lot of its users suffered with low self esteem and mental health issues, fast forward a few days and now we're being "raided" lol

[Anonymous No.6249944]

>>6249918
I don't know shit about fuck, is this ai thing actually living up to the hype? should I feel threatened?

[Anonymous No.6249964]

>>6249944
Nah, anyone with basic knowledge of economics would understand the less rare and easily accesible, the less valuable. AI art will become china cents, while human work will always be valuable because of the story and difficulty of it

[Anonymous No.6249985]

>>6249935
You are the kind of person that'd get stab or shot in the back of the head in the tribe, because you bring everyone else down with your illness

[Anonymous No.6249993]

>>6249964
>anyone with basic knowledge of economics
And what percentage of the goyim is that? Don't forget to remove the tech-worshiping "I Love Science" crowd from your calculation

[Anonymous No.6249996]

>>6249985
>maybe we aren't getting raided and this is actually /ic/'s sincere reaction to being immediately and systematically replaced by AI that can do in seconds what would take them months after decades of training
>I WISH WE WERE BACK LIVING IN CAVES SO I COULD STAB YOU IN THE BACK OF THE HEAD

But we aren't in caves anymore, retard. OpenAI is testament to that.

[Anonymous No.6250024]

>>6249993
Same its always been
>>6249996
You were never going to make it anyway, AI only exists to filter the weaklings
Good bye

[Anonymous No.6250034]

I don't know about all that, but what I do know is I'm having fun with a pencil and hope the same goes to all of (you).

As for pic related, plenty of errors but I feel it's decent for a first attempt, still doesn't help the inherent cringe of it, like, "oof, you could have fixed x earlier."

[Anonymous No.6250041]

Working with drawabox rn

[Anonymous No.6250055]

>>6250024
>Same its always been
oh you poor child

[Anonymous No.6250064]

>>6250055
>He can't even draw
>Is scared he'll be replaced
You'd have to be skilled first to worry about such things, kek

[Anonymous No.6250161]

Trying to make cheap porn, but I don't know how i could "repair it" because it looks off to me

[Anonymous No.6250245]

>>6250161
Hips too narrow

[Anonymous No.6250266]

>>6250161
>birthmark
ngmi

[Anonymous No.6250267]

>grinding figures
>get bored
>look up coom to grind figures of
>can spend hours and hours doing it
Is this the power of coom?

[Anonymous No.6250269]

>>6250245
Is it better now? (thanks for the help)

[Anonymous No.6250270]

>>6246841
I need your opinion on something: Which one of the silhouettes feels the most threatening and which one grabs your attention the most? Thanks in advance!

[Anonymous No.6250274]

>>6250266
Its just for myself though so not much effort is needed

[Anonymous No.6250275]

>>6250270
Something barbed like 2

[Anonymous No.6250278]

>see female form
>immediately bored because the male form is infinitely superior.
>use my own mad musculars for reference.
>Wife asks me to draw her like a french grill.
>accept this because she is one of the only females of a handful I can stand.
So this is the power of reality...

[Anonymous No.6250284]

>>6250270
9 and 10s handle feels more agressive

[Anonymous No.6250359]

>>6250270
18 for both
that candy wrapper is a stable framework no matter the skull-poking stresses that meet it mid-swing. and it’s evil. like an alien biscuit chainsaw. or a bird of prey with wings unfurled, or a cobra with its fan flared. tasty too, could be. with a long-expired hardtacky centre for the desperate ration.

[Anonymous No.6250394]

>>6250270
For me, it's 9.
The handle and blade are so far apart, I feel like itd fly out of my hand irl since the weight of the metal weighs down the unbalanced opposite end so much..

[Anonymous No.6250404]

Hello begs, did you think you got rid of me? Nah there are more books to complete, i am not going anywhere. Also this book looks way hardcore than the previous ones. Also LMAO AI SHITPOSTERS are now INVADING even /BEG. Is nothing sacred to these NODRAW bots?

>>6250267
>>6250278
>>6248460
PYW
>>6250034
soul. And as far as cringe feel goes, ignore it
>>6249861
Very off-putting gore. Good job!
>>6249741
If you never hold pencil in your hand and you are persuaded you need TALENT to draw then its good book. Its mega basic and kinda tedious book which focuses more on criticizing USA school system than drawing. But if you can stomach the long text and mega hand holding instructions you will 100% cure symbol drawing. The book can realistically be finished in 5 days and delivers results for complete BEGs and permaBEGs
>>6249640
thumbs up, have a little more confidence anon in your skill!
>>6248156
i kneel
>>6248085
Nobody answered because your question is very weird. You either have reference and then you simply draw what you see. Or you are constructing and then its question of how to draw cube / cylinder in perspective. Both variants are heavily covered by books in stickies.
>>6247934
Impressive. Are you using some sort of tool for the straight lines or are you that good?
>>6247759
very nice malnourished chad
>>6247526
learn restating anon. You are too addicted to the undo button and it holds you back. Learn to simply draw over your errors. Way quicker and better in the long run. It builds line confidence
>>6247334
I kneel. Very good rendering. Especially the wet one

[Anonymous No.6250439]

>>6249717
all that work just for wierd fetish shit...

[Anonymous No.6250440]

>>6249762
>>6250404
I see. Thanks a lot for your inputs anons.
>The book can realistically be finished in 5 days
I considered ignoring it and reading the other book recs from the sticky instead. Tho since it's so short, I suppose there's no drawback to giving it a try.

[Anonymous No.6250441]

[Anonymous No.6250531]

Am I high beg yet?
My first ever charcoal drawing and animal drawing.

[Anonymous No.6250560]

>>6250531
>high beg
>ignoring perspective
That muzzle needs perspective badly

[Anonymous No.6250564]

>>6250531
flat

[Anonymous No.6250577]

>>6250560
>>6250564
Please elaborate.

[Anonymous No.6250601]

>>6250577
>drawing of a drawing
Just find a photograph.
Also, when >>6250560 and >>6250564 say "needs perspective" and "flat," I think they're trying to say that there isn't enough variation in your values. I will say it's a step up from your human figure work.

[Anonymous No.6250612]

>>6250601
Pretty sure it's a photo.
Also yeah that's what I suspected. I'm still getting used to charcoal so my values aren't very good with it yet.
I'm glad they aren't talking about construction perspective because I constructed already and I'm doing DaB. I didn't measure purposely as to train my eyes because when you draw from life the animal doesn't stand like a model and let you measure anyway.

[Anonymous No.6250639]

2002. Dual Hearts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16ZB1GX3ZGM

[Anonymous No.6250645]

>>6250612
Not a good reference picture desu

[Anonymous No.6250670]

>>6250645
Why? Because it's not black/white?

[Anonymous No.6250672]

>>6249615
Cum cup

[Anonymous No.6250751]

>doing a good job of practicing every day for the past few months
>caught Covid last week
>no energy to draw
>feeling mostly better now but trying to draw is still a struggle for some reason

fuck I hope this goes away soon

[Anonymous No.6250754]

bait

[Anonymous No.6250755]

>>6250531
>>6250612
Symbol drawn. I recommend keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.6250777]

>>6246849
Gurren Lagann!

>>6250284
Ok, thank you for your input, Mr. Scott.

>>6250270
1, 5, and 8. It also really depends on who would be using them.

>>6249709
His shoulder looks out and down. The bicep looks like, from the shading, it is upward of the perspective while the delt is telling us it is below. His forearm/fist section needs to come down/across his abs area to make the shoulder/bicep work.

Unless you mean the guy on the right right in which case it looks fine to me.

[Anonymous No.6250780]

>>6250755

[Anonymous No.6250819]

>>6250777
Thaaaaat’s it, it was bothering me like no other. I was going for a more extreme perspective to get a more dynamic pose, but the deltoid/bicep relation was really throwing me off. Looking at it again, I think both arm’s deltoid/biceps can be fixed up a bit. I appreciate it a lot.

[Anonymous No.6250826]

Does this look symbol painted?

[Anonymous No.6250832]

>>6249919
>I see, yeah I have a lot of trouble with rendering and light. only know the bare bones of it but I just started reading the scott robertson book so hopefully I get somewhere

Scyra had a video crash course on the basics this topic maybe this will help you out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0q-LZVFZuGE&list=PLV2X3tgajVlHkH3FHxm3rLZWqScFTRhtv

It seems long being 17 episodes but most are shorter than 10 minutes.

Good luck Anon!

[Anonymous No.6250835]

>>6250826
you don't unironically think your work looks like this good right?

[Anonymous No.6250873]

Work in progress

[Anonymous No.6250912]

Drew a gnome. Lacks some form and contrast I think, also the edge of the mushroom is too close to the edge of the circle. Anything else? Thanks in advance :)

[None !y84HWZvmds No.6250939]

>>6250034
based DBZ chad, dbz stuff was probably the first thing i ever drew as a kid

[Anonymous No.6250952]

how to draw eyes?

[Anonymous No.6251056]

>>6250780
that isn't dodson's work, just to be clear. it's matisse

[Anonymous No.6251064]

https://archived.moe/ic/thread/5720444/
anon, i've been looking for you. are you here? please reply if you see this.

[Anonymous No.6251107]

>>6251056
Dodson calls him a master so that's even worse anon...

[Anonymous No.6251120]

>>6251107
i don't like matisse's work either, but the man was pretty technically skilled, i have to admit. not sure why he leaned into this odd primitivist style that doesn't even hit the mark he intended it to hit.

[Anonymous No.6251121]

Can’t wait for the next Baki season

[Anonymous No.6251173]

>>6251120
>the man was pretty technically skilled
Show proof.
Also Dodson is overrated as an artist imo. He's mid int at best, I've seen better artists here. Sure I I may read his book one day but it won't be because I love his art or anything. More ints should be releasing books.

[Anonymous No.6251202]

>>6250912
There really aren't many issues to point out.

I think the placement of his right hand is a bit awkward. It appears like it's holding the book closer to his body than the other hand, therefore he would be reading diagonally.

Also, I get the impression that his right leg is slightly smaller that the left one.

Besides that, I think it's overall a competent drawing.

[Anonymous No.6251242]

Yamcha #1

[Anonymous No.6251250]

[Anonymous No.6251278]

>>6250531
>>6250612
10 minutes with a colored pencil, have no idea how to show some of the form around the eyes - that eyebrow ridge is tough! - or any of the fur texture. completely botched the whiskers but its my first animal study so whatever.

[Anonymous No.6251287]

>>6251278
second look and the proportions are totally wrong.

[Anonymous No.6251314]

i switched to newsprint from using printer paper and i can never go back. Pen and Pencil on rough newsprint feel sublime

[Anonymous No.6251358]

2 minute poses from Vilppu's NMA course. I feel like I need at least 5 minutes to make something decent. Comparing to Vilppu's 2 minute gestures makes me feel like I'll never improve.

[Anonymous No.6251368]

>>6251358
speed comes with time and understanding of what you're looking at
take 10 minutes if you need to

[Anonymous No.6251371]

>>6251358
>comparing yourself to someone who has been drawing for 50 years and getting demotivated
stop being a dumbass, anon

[Anonymous No.6251477]

Memory painting practice

[Anonymous No.6251516]

This one needs a background and I am absolute shit when it comes to backgrounds. Please give me some ideas (it is for a book cover).

[Anonymous No.6251520]

This is a WIP. I'd like as much feedback as possible before I move forward with it. I already know the feet are jacked to hell

[Anonymous No.6251542]

>>6251121
Cute Pickle, I'd let him eat one of my legs

[Anonymous No.6251605]

>>6251520
There would be a lot to discuss about the anatomy but instead of trying to describe I hope the overpaint will be helpful instead. The arms are way too thin, I get that you are exaggerating but I think it was too much, she needs to have shoulders.

I tried to give a quick explanation on the adjustment for the foot and hand. The toes and fingers are too thick and uniform.I adjusted nose, horns, ears and cheekbone position those is less important.

I hope that helped.

[Anonymous No.6251612]

>>6251605
oh fuck me I wrote the text with flipped canvas. corrected

[Anonymous No.6251613]

>>6251605
Wow, thanks king. I'm going to study this closely.

[Anonymous No.6251659]

does anyone know the source?

[Anonymous No.6251676]

>>6246932
How is this considered begginer level? Im not complaining im genuinely asking

[Anonymous No.6251682]

Should I start drawing? I'm from /g/ and all this AI talk got me interested

[Anonymous No.6251683]

Am I too ambitious for this goal? (Pic Related)

I would like to study perspective but it's too complicated to me right now when cube is not being used.

[Anonymous No.6251688]

>>6251659
posespace

[Anonymous No.6251689]

sketched yesterday and came back today feeling the pose looks stiff. how do i improve this pose?

[Anonymous No.6251692]

>>6251688
do you know the models name?

[Anonymous No.6251697]

>>6250672
Cup cup

[Anonymous No.6251700]

>>6251516
There is this thing called "c-o-m-p-o-s-i-t-i-o-n" it is a very useful topic to study a bit. If you are doing things like book covers or other complete artworks it is best if you sketch the whole thing together without details and find a good composition than adding it after you made the title character.

Anyways here is an idea.

Watch Blender Guru's video on understanding composition, it has been around for 7 years now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8i7OKbWmRM

[Anonymous No.6251706]

>>6251516
>>6251700
There is already thread about composition right fucking now
>>6249385

[Anonymous No.6251712]

>>6251689
Like this maybe?

[Anonymous No.6251715]

300 Bump

[Anonymous No.6251719]

>>6251659
Breedable

[Anonymous No.6251721]

>>6251692
Ms. Stacy Sexo

[Anonymous No.6251725]

>>6251712
When you red/blue line try to use less fucking lines

[Anonymous No.6251751]

[Anonymous No.6251767]

>>6250670
No clear light source/ the light is coming from straight ahead. Using this as a ref is practically begging for your final drawing to come out looking flat.

Look for reference images that have hard cast shadows somewhere in them

[Anonymous No.6251783]

Rate and review pls

[Anonymous No.6251785]

>>6251783
And this one too

[Anonymous No.6251805]

>>6251751
Are you the guy who draws ugly goblins

[Anonymous No.6251813]

>>6251783
>>6251785
you should work on your prompts more

[Anonymous No.6251818]

NEW THREAD
>>6251817
>>6251817
>>6251817

[Anonymous No.6251820]

>>6251813
What cunt?

[Anonymous No.6251837]

>>6251278
I know you said you constructed already but it seems like you aren't currently thinking of the tiger as a 3D object yet, instead of just areas of dark/light values.
A nice thing to also do, if you arent willing to measure the reference pic, is checking your angles in comparison to the reference image.
Good luck on your way!
(i know my quick pic isnt great, ear is kinda off and the angle on the muzzle is different too. but i hope it can convey what i mean by a 3D form)

[Anonymous No.6251844]

>>6251837
>constructoid
yikes

[Anonymous No.6251856]

>>6251712
i see. i'll try this out ty

[Anonymous No.6251877]

>>6251751
No, this is the first goblin I think lmao

[Anonymous No.6252125]

>>6248945
If I'm understanding you correctly, the horizon of the book would be leaning to the right of the paper, no?

[Anonymous No.6252129]

>>6249645
Fella randomly blessed us with etymology knowledge-write a paper on this.

[Anonymous No.6252136]

>>6251844
>artlet
Stfu, crab shitter.