/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.5219699]

>Drawing related discussion
I tried the following resources for 6 MONTHS yet experienced little progress
Can we discuss what was wrong? Faulty resources? Talent?

[Anonymous No.5219702]

>>5219699
>Fun With A pencil
>Eviston Art and Science of Drawing
>Marco Bucci
>Vilppu
>Keys to Drawing
>Drawing on the Right Side of The Brain
>Proko
>Drawabox
>Dynamic Sketching
I'll add more as I remember them

[Anonymous No.5219704]

The ones I consider /beg/ traps are
>Fun with a Pencil
>Drawabox
>Vilppu
I'll state the why on the following posts

[Anonymous No.5219708]

>Drawabox
Watered down scam version of dynamic sketching, grinding and mechanical, sucks the fun out of drawing and our current anhedonia with drawing is involved with this hack shit resource meant to sell pens
Despite training on the daily during a while, line quality and ghosting plus planes
Boxes, no improvement was had
WHY?

[Anonymous No.5219709]

>>5219699
instead of grinding you keep making these shit threads that's why you're not improving and you'll never improve.

[Anonymous No.5219714]

>Vilppu
Fuck this old fuck, his method for figure drawing is confusing on purpose
Many times we asked for clarification on what is exactly meant, if drawing is a process this should have been easy for his "students" on here yet no answer was given
>feeling the form
No real advice, my attempt at his gestures were a failure as such I won't attempt it, fuck this old guy
>>5219709
I'm facing great difficulty getting back into drawing
>why would I do it?
>anhedonia
>Unsure on resources

[Anonymous No.5219718]

>Fun with a pencil
Confusing on purpose, requires grasp of other fundamentals despite being touted as the /beg/ book second to keys to drawing
Wasted my time doing this bullshit

[Anonymous No.5219720]

>Keys to drawing
Hack bullshit that teaches you nothing more than draw the line you see, that's everything that's the entire book

[Anonymous No.5219726]

6 months, I've been drawing for 6 months (with 2.5 months of giving up between them)
and I've seen little improvement, why? I should be better by now
Sheer mileage
4 hours a day minimum
Daily grinding my fundies

[Anonymous No.5219734]

6 months
6 MONTHS

[Anonymous No.5219735]

The heart of the issue is that I should be better
Example
This hack used to be one of my art heroes and inspirations, Yuasa, pic related is his style

[Anonymous No.5219738]

>>5219735

[Anonymous No.5219739]

>>5219738
my attempts

[Anonymous No.5219740]

>>5219739
>>5219738

[Anonymous No.5219741]

This is a drawing made by someone on their first time using watercolor

[Anonymous No.5219743]

My watercolor tree

[Anonymous No.5219752]

>20 min
>2 posters
/ic/ is doing better at ignoring your posts lol.

I only pity you, op. You really do seem genuinely mentally ill. I hope you find help.

[Anonymous No.5219755]

>>5219709
>>5219752
Not only am I a cocktail of mental conditions but also I am traumatized so any failure is devastating beyond your understanding.
I wanted to draw, I wanted to be a pro but what am I missing? I did my grinding yet got less than it

[Anonymous No.5219756]

>>5219755
Have you tried getting a real teacher

[Anonymous No.5219770]

>>5219755
if its any consolation I really do think your drawings are amazing for 6 months. Especially these ones:
>>5219734
>>5219726
>>5219704
>>5219743

[Anonymous No.5219774]

>>5219752
that's not the case
it's because OP didn't put some coom or anime shit in the front
if he did, you faggots would be all over this thread

[Anonymous No.5219779]

>>5219770
I might like those but I want to be better than that and I feel I should be better
Now, maybe I'm too impatient but I think the real reason is
>I don't enjoy drawing (I don't enjoy anything so don't tell me to pick something else) save for some moments
>I'm afraid of failure so I won't attempt things again if I fail at them
>I've never finished a single course or resource in 6 months of active drawing because I get stuck on something

[Anonymous No.5219782]

>>5219756
No, I can't
>if drawing is a skill then I should be able to draw alone
>if I go to one, I might be called talentless, pic related
>I'm not skilled enough to go to one as such I would be again wasting my time
>I'm still not invested enough in drawing, if I decide to quit over not getting better so far I lost 6 months plus 2.5 of passive inaction, that's not a lot
>>5219770
I destroyed that tree months ago

[Anonymous No.5219783]

>>5219699
I cant really tell where progress begins OP, are these in order? If its been 6 months from never having drawn, you are doing fine.

I see a lot of /ic/ers raging at Vilppus "feel the form", my first instinct is to call you guys autistic and really should be checked to see if youre on the spectrum but I will try to be helpful.
I can tell anyone that that quote freaks out, has not done a real amount of figure drawing from life. Unfortunately it's Covid time but when possible I highly recommend finding a studio or community college that offers sessions. Go to a few and then we can discuss the meaning of "feel the form"
Best of luck OP, youre doing fine, godspeed.

[Anonymous No.5219789]

>>5219783
OP pic is my first drawing
Now I think I did some doodling and shitty comics before but I don't really remember them nor they count towards progress, for the record I'm 20 years old so I have one year to pick something, so if art is not going to cut it then I quit it, simple as that.
This should have the drawings I've posted here in some semblance of order
>>5190763

[Anonymous No.5219796]

>>5219783
>figure drawing
We have attempted figure drawing yet it's not going "ok" thanks to Vilppu, Vilppu is a useless old piece of shit and I have never enjoyed his bullshit method, if some of my figure drawings are somewhat ok it's because of eviston and Proko, not Vilppu.

[Anonymous No.5219798]

>>5219796
is this from life though anon?

[Anonymous No.5219800]

>>5219798
No, reference.
Nicolaides is another hack due to his method needing life drawing

[Anonymous No.5219803]

>>5219714
>>5219755
You didn’t grind as often as you’ve made threads. Look at other self-obsessed /ic/ artists that are constantly making threads: illustrat, Brian, that schizo. Is your goal to join their ranks?

[Anonymous No.5219802]

One of my first attempts at gesture
this was based on drawing manual, only attempt I ever did from that book iirc, gave up since I failed.

[Anonymous No.5219805]

>>5219800
So as stated before, >>5219783
I highly recommend drawing from life. Not just photos. It's completely different although important to do both. I know its not possible right now but try to go to sessions when things are open.
When you go to some sessions come back and we can talk.

[Anonymous No.5219809]

>>5219805
What's the great difference? Explain it
>>5219803
I don't enjoy drawing I don't enjoy anything really yet I want to draw
I did my grinding and I'm pissed off because I think I should be better

[Anonymous No.5219811]

I began to half ass my gesture because frankly who even gives a shit

[Anonymous No.5219812]

>>5219811

[Anonymous No.5219815]

>>5219803
I did my grinding, where are my results?
Inefficient and some resources are complete scams
What should I even use?

[Anonymous No.5219824]

My great issue is form, I don't get it I can't picture it so I can't draw it
Dynamic Sketching, I tried to do the contours and failed, over and over, naturally and understandably so, I gave up and abandoned this resource.

[Anonymous No.5219825]

Why should you continue to attempt something you fail at? Either you get it or you don't, that's it, failure is exponential, fail once and you'll fail double that next time, so on.

[Anonymous No.5219828]

You either get it or you don't.
All my drawings look flat, I don't get shading so I said fuck it and just half assed it.

[Anonymous No.5219829]

>>5219699
>>5219704
>>5219714
>>5219718
>>5219726
>>5219739
BARGUE PLATES
http://www.dorian-iten.com/howtodraw/

[Anonymous No.5219830]

>>5219829
What will I gain out of it, we already tried Dorian, look at pic related
His method, yet it's still flat, I failed so I gave up

[Anonymous No.5219832]

>>5219829
Tell me, what am I going to get out of it? What skill set will I get out of it? Measurement? Because I dropped Keys to Drawing on the find the midpoint chapter, I can't do it.
If I attempt it, Timeline? Estimated time to finish it with satisfactory results? What's a satisfactory result? Parameters of success and progress? Acceptable rates? Acceptable amount of failures?
How can I even measure if it's on my screen and I draw on paper, IS THIS ANOTHER RESOURCE THAT CAN ONLY BE DONE DIGITAL?

[Anonymous No.5219841]

I began writing this thread hoping that if I adopted your so called civility and orderly nature you would give me useful answers but you're pushing meme answers again
WHY CANT I IMPROVE?

[Anonymous No.5219843]

>>5219830
>>5219832
Bargue plates is like hiking up a hill. You just keep doing them until you can do them, and its the least talent-reliant part of drawing, since its just rote accuracy. But it takes practice, you can't do it on the first try. You can do it digitally, but probably better done traditionally

[Anonymous No.5219851]

>>5219843
Then I'll become a Xerox machine if I only develop that
Check this thread
>>5190763
>>Yes you should quit, because you're an npc that doesn't have a mind's eye. You're soulless, anon, and so you should continue with you life without doing art for professional reasons, if it makes you feel good though, just continue, but to me it seems like your mind is being tortured by the way art reminds you of the absense of a soul in you.
>>Exactly, you're subhuman. You can't think for yourself, you can't improve on your own, you can't even improve with others help and external resources and tutorials, completely hopeless. Not to speak of creativity and being able to portray higher levels of consciousness.
What if I have no imagination? What would I do then? Huh

[Anonymous No.5219853]

legit schizo thread
prob outta meds

[Anonymous No.5219854]

>>5219699
Take meds.

[Anonymous No.5219855]

>>5219853
>>5219854
How am I a schizo? I was using a mask of your human civility and rules yet you provide no real answer, no resources or help

[Anonymous No.5219858]

[Anonymous No.5219859]

CAN YOU IMAGINE DOING SOMETHING DURING 6 MONTHS
AND NOT GETTING GOOD RESULTS BUT AT BEST SUBPAR
I WANTED TO IMPROVE
4 HOURS A DAY MINIMUM OF GRINDING AND NOTHING

[Anonymous No.5219870]

You know /ic/ is an awesome board when we have shizos like this

[Anonymous No.5219884]

>>5219815
you didn't grind, you just wasted time. if you did grind, you would see progress. I think I know exactly what your problem is but I don't want to help you because you're insufferable. Only advice I'll give is see a psychologist.

[Anonymous No.5219888]

>>5219809
Look at something for a while and then take a photo of it from the same angle. I know you will say its the same, but its not. Just trust me.
Your eye and a camera lense are different.

When you draw a model from life its completely different. One of the things that is important is that you only have a certain amount of time to draw the pose. It takes a long time to be able to manage your time well but it forces you into a flow and inpart to what vilppu describes as "feeling the form"
drawing from photos is great too and you should do that, but if you want to get good do BOTH

>post your work
Ive been at this a while now, hopefully you can trust me.

[Anonymous No.5219893]

>>5219726

Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.5219894]

>>5219884
What is it? Otherwise we won't stop posting

[Anonymous No.5219895]

>>5219884
The sooner you help me the sooner I fuck off from this board
Otherwise, /beg/ failed to get me to fuck off they will fail again

[Anonymous No.5219896]

>>5219888
That's ok I guess, but what's the difference? Is it depth? What is it?
So since >>5219884
won't answer for now, what have I been doing wrong? Should I give up? How to improve?

[Anonymous No.5219900]

I would get laughed out of any art school, called talentless, the anti artist.
All artists would insult me
Do I have no talent?

[Anonymous No.5219901]

>>5219699
Pyw

[Anonymous No.5219905]

6 months is nothing, it takes literally hundreds of thousands of drawings to get decent. Come back in 5 years, I guarantee you'll improve by then.

[Anonymous No.5219906]

>>5219896
Check out differences in lenses. If you are committing the human form to memory and heart it may be corrupted by nuances in the camera. Your eyes however do not lie.

Another thing I'd like to reiterate is time, a real model cant hold a pose forever and therefore forces the artist to become more fluid. If you have infinite time (looking at a photo) you may become more rigid.
I can kind of tell when an artist hasnt done any life drawing sometimes. It's similar to digital painters that have never picked up traditional mediums before (not a rule, but something ive noticed)
Their work tends to lack rhythm in regards to the human figure for draftsmanship that, I think, primarily comes from being there in the room.

[Anonymous No.5219908]

>>5219905
Don't you understand growth? Math? Statistics?
Let's break it down for you, I'm 20 and this is my 6 + 2.5 for total rate of progress, this is bad, it's too slow, I would get LAUGHED OUT OF ANY ART SCHOOL LIKE THIS WHICH MEANS I CANT BE A PRO
OH BUT WAIT
IF IT TAKES ME 6 MONTHS
A WHOLE FUCKING SEMESTER FOR WHAT SHOULD BE 3 MONTHS OF PROGRESS
CANT YOU SEE THAT FAILURE IS EXPONENTIAL
IT WOULD TAKE ME 10 YEARS TO DO WHAT OTHERS DO IN 3
AND THATS WITHOUT COUNTING MY IMAGINATION PROBLEM
>>5219851

>>5219906
well GET TO YOU IN THE NEXT REPLY WAIT

[Anonymous No.5219910]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8j13piAhQ
FEVER DREAM HIGH IN THE QUIET OF NIGHT
YOOU KNOW THAT I CAUGHT IT
(OHH YEAHHH YOURE RIGHT I WANT IT)

[Anonymous No.5219911]

>>5219906
Fever dream high in the quiet of the night
You know that I caught it (Oh yeah, you're right, I want it)
>>5219906
ANSWER ME WHAT IS THE FAILURE? WHAT CANT I IMPROVE I WANTED TO DRAW LIKE PIC RELATED
YOU KNOW THAT I CAUGHT IT
YET I CANT I CANT DRAW LIKE MY HEROES
SO TELL ME HOW CAN I IMPROVE? FUCK OFF WITH THIS LIFE DRAWING BULLSHIT
IS IT ANOTHER /BEG/ TRAP? I CANT DO THAT I CANT DO THAT BECAUSE IM GOING TO FAIL AT IT DONT YOU FUCKING GET IT

YOU WERE LYING TO ME
VILPPU APOLOGIST
YOU AND THAT OLD FUCK CAN FUCK OFFT
TRYING TO TRICK ME INTO WASTING MORE TIME DRAWING?

[Anonymous No.5219913]

>>5219906
Bad, bad boy, shiny toy with a price
You know that I bought it (Oh yeah, you're right, I want it)
>>5219906
vilppu GESTURE FAILED US ONCE
IT WONT FAIL US AGAIN
WE CANT DO IT
IM NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THIS HACK AND IF HES SO GREAT
WHERES YOUR GESTURE HUH?

[Anonymous No.5219917]

>>5219908
Ok anon , same guy from >>5219888 and >>5219906

I can tell youre not serious and I'm saddened that I wasted my time and that next time I may be less likely to help someone out because of your behavior. But I will leave you with one thing just in case.

I entered art school a little before you at almost the same age. You will not be laughed out of art school, I had plenty of peers that were your level and sometimes weaker depending on their major.
6 months is not a long time in visual art, do not let that freak you out. Youre doing fine but its going to be a lot longer before you feel competent, sometimes its good to take a break and try something else for a bit.

It seems like you may have other issues at hand if you are real, so talk to your parents about getting you into therapy or if they cant/wont. Look into it yourself, there are social services that can help you.
Godspeed anon.

[Anonymous No.5219918]

>>5219884
I DID MY GRINDING
AHAHAHAHHAH THAT MEANS DRAWING IS ALL TALENT
I WIN
I WIN
DRAWING IS ALL TALENT
>>5219906
FUCKER
WANTING TO TRICK ME INTO WASTING MY TIME DRAWING? DRAWING BORING REALISM
IM SICK OF REALISM IM SICK OF DRAWING YOUR SPECIES, I HATE YOUR SPECIES
IM SICK OF DRAWING YOUR BODIES IM SICK OF PRIMATE ART
I SHIT ON VILPPU

[Anonymous No.5219923]

>>5219917
>6 months is not a long time in visual art, do not let that freak you out. Youre doing fine but its going to be a lot longer before you feel competent, sometimes its good to take a break and try something else for a bit.
THERE IT IS I KNEW IT I KNEW IT YOURE LYING
YOU DONT ACTUALLY THINK IM DOING OK OTHERWISE YOU WOULDNT TELL ME THAT
YOU WANT ME TO GIVE UP BECAUSE IM TALENTLESS DONT YOU?
SAY IT FUCKER

[Anonymous No.5219928]

>>5219917
TELL ME FUCKER
WHAT MAKES ME TALENTLESS BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IT DONT YOU
YOU JUST TOLD ME TO GIVE UP AND I KNEW IT
YOURE LYING TO ME
YOU WANT ME TO WASTE MY TIME DOING VILPPU
VILPPU DOESNT WORK AHAHAHHAHAHAHH HE DOESNT WORK
FUCK HIM
THAT YOUR ART ANON? AHAHAHAHAHHAHA SO THATS WHAT ART SCHOOL LOOKS LIKE?

[Anonymous No.5219930]

>>5219739
oh my.
um. drawing may not be for everybody? or did you actually try?

[Anonymous No.5219931]

>>5219930
IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE STYLIZED YOU PRIMATE PIECE OF SHIT

[Anonymous No.5219933]

>>5219930
PORTRAITS REALISTIC PORTRAITS OF THAT SAME REFERENCE WERE ALREADY DONE
DONE
YESSSS DONE
THEY WERE DONE YET WE DONT WANT THAT
WE WANTED TO IMITATE THAT HACK'S STYLE
FUCK YOU
GO ON TELL ME
WHAT MAKES ME TALENTLESS?

[Anonymous No.5219938]

dont YOU HATE IT WHEN STUPID PRIMATES TRY TO ONE UP YOU
AND YOU KNOW THEIR SPECIES IS INFERIOR TO YOUR TRUE SPECIES BUT YOU TAKE IT
BECAUSE YOU LIVE IN A PRIMATE PLANET INSTEAD OF WITH THE AVIAN SPECIES
THE GREAT AVIAN

[Anonymous No.5219942]

SO WHY CANT I IMPROVE?

[Anonymous No.5219944]

>>5219942
you don't have the patience
you need to study 1 pic for 3 days drawing it meticulously

[Anonymous No.5219949]

this fukin guy again...

[Anonymous No.5219954]

>>5219944
aND THIS WASNT PATIENCE
6 MONTHS
GRINDING FUNDIES EVERY DAY
HOW DO YOU EVEN STUDY A PIC? HAHAHAHHA I CANT AND WHATS THE REASON
IS IT ABOUT TALENT? ANSWER ME IS IT ABOUT TALENT?
>>5219949
>>5219917
this guy wanted to trick me into wasting my time with vilppu, do you agree?

[Anonymous No.5219957]

>>5219917
Shove your "advice" up your ass because you told me nothing useful
>dude just draw from life
>get a model lol
when nicolaides already said it
wanted me to boost your ego by saying oh thank you art school sama? FUCK YOU

[Anonymous No.5219959]

>>5219954
just accept that you're bad at art and do not have what it takes. you're a loser and you've wasted your time

[Anonymous No.5219960]

>>5219954
>ANSWER ME IS IT ABOUT TALENT?
I could draw it first time I tried so yes then?
You don't know about values?

[Anonymous No.5219966]

>>5219960
>>5219959
Not like Ive been counting the days but its been 25
youre out there killing the game but damn i miss you tonight

[Anonymous No.5219969]

>>5219959
GO ON DETAIL
TELL ME THE WHY
UNLESS YOU CANT SPARE DETAIL THEN YOURE LYING

>>5219960
DRAW WHAT? DO YOU NEED ROSETTA STONE HAHAHA?

[Anonymous No.5219970]

>>5219969
your overall attitude is trash. this will lead to bad art. simple as

[Anonymous No.5219971]

>>5219970
NO LIES
ITS ABOUT THE ART
WHAT MAKES MY DRAWINGS BAD?AM I THE WORST ARTIST ON /IC/?
YOURE THE ONLY WHO KNOWS ME BABE
SO HOT YOURE HURTING MY FEELINGS
BEFORE THE X RATED DREAMING

[Anonymous No.5219974]

>>5219970
yOURE so HOT youre hurting my feelings
YOURE THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS ME BABE
CANT DEAL
SHOW ME THE BANANA
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH SHOW ME THE BANANA NANANANA
SHOW ME THE BANANA NANANANA

[Anonymous No.5219975]

>>5219702
some of those, like Marco Bucci, are not for /beg/s, moron.

[Anonymous No.5219980]

>>5219970
>>5219959
Unless you are OP responding to himself. Just dont say anything. It's not productive, they dont really care about art just want attention in the moment

NO MORE RESPONSES TO THIS THREAD BESIDES OP PRETENDING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION.

[Anonymous No.5219983]

>>5219975
NA NA NA NA
CUZ YOURE SO HOT YOURE HURTING MY FEELINGS
>>5219980
I dont want yOUR ATTENTION I DONT CARE ABOUT YOU
>>5219980
POST YOUR WORK HAHAHAHAH
YOURE NOT IMPORTANT
YOURE A PRIMATE A GROSS PRIMATE

[Anonymous No.5219985]

>>5219971
are you a cute girl?

[Anonymous No.5220010]

Anon your art looks nice

[Anonymous No.5220014]

>>5220010
thanks sweety

[Anonymous No.5220022]

>>5219841
First of all. Get mental help.

Second. How the fuck would we know? 90% of us are failures and don't know why and the 10% that make it don't know why they are making it either. We don't have any insight in your learning process or work, the only thing we see is your whining and posts.

[Anonymous No.5220108]

>>5219699
Looking at your drawing I can tell you're not drawing what you see.
Lips, eyes, nose are 100% symbol drawn. Learn that you don't need to put the pencil down all the time, your lines need to stop. You have to suggest the form, not force it. Look at picrel, compare it to your drawing; how much did the artist there use hard, black lines? Not nearly as much as you.

[Anonymous No.5220125]

>>5219699
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.5220143]

>>5219755
>Not only am I a cocktail of mental conditions but also I am traumatized so any failure is devastating beyond your understanding.
>I wanted to draw, I wanted to be a pro but what am I missing? I did my grinding yet got less than it
"I I I I I I I I, I I I
I
I
I

I"

There's this one word that depressed people use in nearly every sentence. Even more so if they're narcissist.

[Anonymous No.5220146]

>>5219802
>only attempt I ever did from that book iirc, gave up since I failed.
Narcissist, perfectionist. "I need to be as good as other people, preferably better, while putting in no effort. Unless I can be as good on my first try as others who've be practicing for years, I will rage and hate and I will go around drawing attention to the center of the universe - me - and then punishing and emotionally blackmailing the people who do give me attention."

[Anonymous No.5220153]

>>5219895
>The sooner you help me the sooner I fuck off from this board
Disgusting emotion vampire. You'll only ever be sucking energy from others unless you learn to be honest and begin to heal your hellish emotional diseases.

[Anonymous No.5220158]

>>5219900
>I would get laughed out of any art school, called talentless, the anti artist.
>All artists would insult me
No they wouldn't. You're invisible because of your complete selfishness.

First learn to care about something other than yourself, then others will start to care about you.

[Anonymous No.5220173]

fascinating thread, ty

[Anonymous No.5220181]

lol this fucking schizo is better at drawing than me. fuck this i'm gonna grind so i'm better than this retard

[Anonymous No.5220192]

>>5220181
based
shouldn't take much longer than one afternoon of watching proko

[Anonymous No.5220216]

>>5219980
Dunno, I kind of want to encourage him to post more. His insane ramblings are vaguely inspirational, in a "I'm a pretty sad case, but at least I'm not this guy" kind of way.

[Anonymous No.5220253]

Anon you are running out of time! You NEED to grind RIGHT NOW! If you don't get good by next week YOU WILL NEVER BE GMI!