Unaesthetic violence

[Anonymous No.5213524]

So, i was wondering, everytime i see a drawing or depiction of violence there's always this something that no matter how gruesome the scene is, it always feels ironically pleasant, balanced and proportionate. I've never seen a drawing that depicts violence in such a way that it actually feels unsettling. So, is there anyone who has captured that essence of inflamation and pain inside a fight?

[Anonymous No.5213530]

>>5213524
Those graphic novels where the Joker is peeling off his skin is unsettling, think it was "Death of the Family" and "The Killing Joke", I think? Disturbing if nothing else

[Anonymous No.5213546]

[Anonymous No.5214083]

What references do they see to draw blood, flesh and the innermost organs leeking out.

[Anonymous No.5214086]

>>5214083
brazilian gang videos

[Anonymous No.5214104]

>>5213546
eeeeaaaahhiieeaaahaaii that's unpleasant

[Anonymous No.5214105]

>>5214083
Probably nothing, since it doesn't look very realistic at all.

[Anonymous No.5214110]

>>5213546
I really want to be able to do something that scary but I never will because I do not want to see the necessary reference photos for it

[Anonymous No.5214112]

>>5214110
>to see the necessary reference photos for it
Neither did the guy who made it. And don't you mean sexy.

[Anonymous No.5214799]

>>5213524
From Hell did it pretty well imo

[Anonymous No.5214803]

>>5214799
Domu as well

[Anonymous No.5217181]

>>5214110
That looks like an homage to the Saturn Devouring His Son motif. The artist probably looked at Goya's and Ruben's paintings instead of real life gore.

[Anonymous No.5217707]

>>5213546
im gonna COOOOOOOOOM

[Anonymous No.5217718]

>>5217181
This and Goya's version are actually good answers to OPs question.

[Anonymous No.5217992]

>>5213524
Are you just talking about cape comics or also including horror?

You'll find what you're looking for here easier in horror, I just can't think of great examples at the moment..

[Anonymous No.5217996]

>>5217992

[Anonymous No.5217999]

Your answer is /gif/ rekt fligu gigu threads

[Anonymous No.5218010]

>>5213524

[Anonymous No.5218073]

>>5217992
the guy in the middles panel who just got his nose bitten off looks so unfazed

[Anonymous No.5218086]

>>5213524

Here you go buddy ol chum

[Anonymous No.5218092]

>>5218073
One thing that has struck me about rl gore is how little the victims show in terms of expression. Like most of them seem weirdly at peace with being killed in painful and brutal ways

[Anonymous No.5218096]

>>5218092
Another thing I've noticed there's much less blood than you usually see depicted in "gory" media.
No matter if it's a beheading or a dismemberment or a disembowelment or whatever you don't really see blood flying around like in most of the pics in this thread. Most of the drawings here show a completely unrealistic amount of blood. This means you see more of the internal anatomy and structure through the actual cuts. Internal organs also have brighter and more varied colors than just different shades of muddy red. Something that's almost never depicted (outside of some fetish-y guro art) is the yellow fat layer under the skin which is kind of striking in appearance.
Like I look at most of this art and all I can think is this just looks wrong. Most movie special effects also give me this same impression of the effects artists not either really looking at real life reference or just not caring about how it looks and doing their own thing anyway.

[Anonymous No.5218117]

I'm gonna post one of my favorite depictions of artistic gore. Of course this one is kind idealized and romanticized too, and it wouldn't look quite this clean in reality, but I think it still conveys a much better sense of violent dismemberment than most of the other pics here. There would be SOME blood in reality of course, it wouldn't be totally bloodless like this but maybe this communicates visually what I was trying to say, that you would see more of the internal anatomy and it wouldn't be hidden by these clouds of floating blood that all these artists like to draw.

I still kind of get the sense the artist doesn't look that much at real reference though. There's some weirdness going on with the anatomical details, like how he draws the breast tissue as some separate element from the subcutaneous fat layer, like what is that red layer between them even supposed to be? Muscle?
Still, the general look and feel here is closer to what I get from real life dissections. Obviously it's also beautified and cleaned up for artistic appeal and sexiness. But nothing wrong with that, artistic depictions can be so much more than just the boring reality.

[Anonymous No.5218132]

>>5217996
This page has always made me lol. It's obvious that this was supposed to be some shocking splash to disturb the reader, but it comes across (lol) as so tryhard and cheesy. Just look at the wife who manages to be coherent enough to scream at her husband with a massive meaty frontal brain injury while dad looks behind him horror despite having all of his guts spilled out on the ground. They didn't have the balls to show them making a fleshlight out of the kid, so they had them fuck the dad instead. I've read doujins more casually fucked up.

[Anonymous No.5218135]

>>5218086
Great image, but bad quality.

[Anonymous No.5218137]

>>5217996
maybe its cause i dont know the context but this is the funniest shit ever

[Anonymous No.5218138]

>>5218132
It's also supposed to be a violent rape scene, but everyone's stratigically hiding their dicks.

[Anonymous No.5218140]

I'm a guro artists and there's been a bit of a movement in that community over the last several years to use what they call 'ethically' sourced references. There's a surprising amount of good references posted by living people of their own injuries, surgery videos, anatomy textbooks, and videos, etc. Stuff that doesn't feel like exploitative rekt shit or disrespectful crime scene photos. Movies with practical effects are also great for reference if you're not after 100% realism.

A good rule of thumb is that if someone is really into realistic guro, don't hang with them because they're probably on a government list.

[Anonymous No.5218142]

>>5218138
That's something that always makes me laugh about american comics. All this violence and gore is ok but a little nudity would hurt our christian sensibilities!
Pretty sure in this one >>5213546 you would see some nekid booba too, like if you were wearing a skintight latex or whatever suit and it was ripped in the middle like this would it still wrap tightly around all of your bits like that? You'd be surprised how many pictures of car crashes you can find where the women are topless because their clothes including underwear were ripped off them and that's just ordinary loose clothing.

[Anonymous No.5218144]

>>5218132
Agreed

[Anonymous No.5218145]

>>5217992
Bad example, looks like everyone dunked their faces in ketchup or something.

[Anonymous No.5218166]

>>5218142
also the way the chicks screaming 'fuck' over and over again just makes it seem like it's trying way too hard to be shocking

[Anonymous No.5218173]

>>5217992
Unless the cross virus gives humans steak knife teeth this panel makes no sense. Living skin and cartilage is rubbery and takes way too much force to tear off like it's made of pulled pork.

[Anonymous No.5218341]

>>5213524
This one is silly, but >>5213546 really got me.

[Anonymous No.5218769]

>>5218145
Yeah that's why I said I couldn't think of a great example. I knew Crossed was a bad example, at least the images I've seen.

Though I'd argue it's still a better example than OPs capeshit gore, and figured some people might get a kick out of it.

>>5218173
Yeah that is over the top, especially since it's a comic. But I have watched videos of someone biting an ear off, and there's those bath salts stories that led to the homeless man biting chunks off someone's face.. so it can at least somewhat happen with regular teeth when adrenaline is pumping...

[Anonymous No.5218788]

>>5218769
I think the gore just looks too random, there's no intentionality to any of the strokes they don't really imply anything other than 'stuff'. if you look at this one>>5213546 the small masses like the guts or bones are clear and have form and there's not a billion of them overwhelming your eyes

[Anonymous No.5218792]

>>5218086
Hate this trope, your body will lose more energy trying to heal itself/blood loss than it would gain from eating itself

You lose weight because your body is eating itself, it will eat itself more efficiently than cutting off body parts and consuming them

[Anonymous No.5218806]

>>5218792
do you really think she knows that? she's starving and in severe shock and just desperately needs something to eat so why wouldn't she?

[Anonymous No.5218942]

>>5218096
Drawing the yellow fat and the different colored organs sounds like fun. I want to try it.

[Anonymous No.5222154]

>>5218792
fucking retard

[Anonymous No.5222158]

>>5213524
Is this a chick thing?

[Anonymous No.5222237]

>>5213524
>>5213546
Being acquired by Disney put a stop to this.

[Anonymous No.5222242]

>>5214799
>>5214803
>black and white

[Anonymous No.5222274]

>>5218142
>You'd be surprised how many pictures of car crashes you can find where the women are topless

Buddy, anonymous basket weaving board or not, God and I both are going to need you to not admit that you do this.

[Anonymous No.5222292]

[Anonymous No.5222293]

been trying to copy this one without success

[Anonymous No.5222311]

>>5213524
Very pleased by the uptick of gore threads on this board lately. And to answer your question, OP, all depictions of gore have a bit of pleasure to them, don't you think?

[Anonymous No.5222510]

>>5213546
this just look like your typical gore on /gif/ doesn't really feel anything unsettling desu
>>5217718
I like this one, you can feel a sense of morbid and the uncanny valley of something looks like a human but not really. The choice of color help too.
>>5218792
in context of the image, the little girl is having a severe delusion at the brink of her life.
>>5222292
>>5222293
these aren't unsettling they just look cool.

[Anonymous No.5222589]

>>5222510
>this just look like your typical gore on /gif/ doesn't really feel anything unsettling desu
That's what makes it unsettling, anon.

[Anonymous No.5222947]

>>5213524
Unless you're a master at making things look really ugly, what will be gruesome to one will be hot to someone else. It's easy to make gore a spectacle in any comic by letting it take up a lot of space and while those do work for well for horrifying jumpscares, I feel like it's more unsettling if you put it in smaller panels and emphasize on reactions to it. But I might be wrong, I don't read a lot of gore.

[Anonymous No.5222970]

>>5213524
I find Junji Itos gore very unsettling.

[Anonymous No.5223069]

>>5217996
Can I get some tldr context on this?

[Anonymous No.5223242]

>>5223069
>The story follows survivors dealing with a pandemic that causes its victims to carry out their most evil thoughts. Carriers of the virus are generally known as the "Crossed" due to a large, cross-like rash that appears on their faces – other names include "cross-faces" and "plus-faces". This contagion is primarily spread through bodily fluids, which the Crossed have used to great effect by treating their weapons with their fluids, as well as through other forms of direct fluidic contact such as rape and bites, assuming the victim lives long enough to turn.

[Anonymous No.5223269]

>>5223242
Thanks anon.I was wondering if the guy had opened up a portal to hell or something but that satisfies my curiosity.

[Anonymous No.5223285]

>>5213546
ahhhh GORE COOOOM

[Anonymous No.5224222]

If I don't want to look at real (human) violence would raw animal meat be a good approximation of the colour of human insides?

[Anonymous No.5224247]

>>5213524
how about this?

[Anonymous No.5224251]

>>5218769
I am no gore expert besides looking at recolored combat/revolution/massacre footage sometimes, but "thin leather bag full of chunks and no bones" is my least favorite way to represent gore, it just looks so shitty

[Anonymous No.5224262]

>>5223269
it's about as grimdark to the point of ridiculousness as gritty comics get.

[Anonymous No.5224266]

[Anonymous No.5224292]

>>5218086

Source?

[Anonymous No.5224363]

>>5218096
>not either really looking at real life reference or just not caring about how it looks and doing their own thing anyway.
actually its more a thing of the history of movies preventing them, if they made it look too realistic people would find it less believable, same with stuff like explosions, people rarely experience those irl so their point of reference is other media

[Anonymous No.5224417]

>>5218137
It is supposed to be humorous in a way, it's been a long time but the dad thought he could keep the crosssed away with salt or something silly like that and that's what happens right after.

[Anonymous No.5224708]

>>5217996
This shit always made me mad because it takes like 5 seconds to transform and they had time to fuck them and spill their guts out

[Anonymous No.5224735]

>>5213524
Violence that's unsettling requires a lack of closure. It requires a taste for tastelessness. It requires disrespect for dignity. It requires abruptness. It requires finality. You're not going to find anything like that in cape shit. Reality is far better at showing how ugly death is than most artists.

I'm not even trying to be an edgelord over here. Death is usually depicted in art, and especially film or comics, as the closing of a chapter in a story. Nobody enjoys loose ends or unmet goals brought on by an untimely death, yet time and time again, artists always depict it with elegance. And when the time comes to depict hyperviolence, they make sure characters important to their story are unscathed or at least survivors, while the gore of "plot nobodies" is spilled for entertainment. They never take risk to inflict that kind of unsatisfying, permanent pain on a character they need to tell their story. Violence is usually glorified by civilizations that have never known the cost and inconvenience of actually participating in such things.

[Anonymous No.5224738]

>>5224292
atatakai yuki
use google image search

[Anonymous No.5224809]

>>5224222
Yeah it's pretty close, kinda, the biggest difference that comes to mind that for whatever reason human fat has this peculiar yellow color while other animals tend to have more neutral colored fat.
You're aware though that surgery and autopsy videos exist and they're not hard to find? (you can find them just on youtube) They're not really what I would call violence but you get a pretty good idea for the anatomy from those.
But again I guess it's not really important since most people have really no idea what it looks like and realistic gore would probably just look weird to them

[Anonymous No.5224845]

>>5224809
I see I see.
Looking at it human insides are alot pinker than most artistic depictions.

[Anonymous No.5224870]

>>5213546
I see he's taken eating her out to a whole new level.

[Anonymous No.5224874]

>>5224870
>mfw I eat a girl out and she’s on her period

[Anonymous No.5225329]

Golden Kamuy has it's moments.