/BEG/ thread

[Anonymous No.5160789]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice.
Use this thread instead of making new threads or post in the Drawthread with fundamental exercises.

POST DRAWINGS YOU NEED HELP WITH!

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~1000 PIXELS:
1. screenshot the image and post that instead
2. change camera capture settings to something smaller
3. send to computer and resize in picresize.com

Sticky document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

Take your time, you can do it.
Previous thread: >5158555

[Anonymous No.5160793]

>>5160789
What happened to her hand

[Anonymous No.5160811]

Trying more figure drawing but with anatomy..but theres so many muscles and I'm so lost. Can I please get an anatomy / proportion check before I start trying to clean it up and add light values? Maybe I'm out of my depth

[Anonymous No.5160813]

?

[Anonymous No.5160830]

so whats the difference between 'like' and 'bookmark' on pixiv?

[Anonymous No.5160857]

Anyone got good tips on converting greyscale to color painting? What method do you use? Overlay, gradient maps?

How do you choose your colors (say for skin), and how do you manage color balances etc?

[Anonymous No.5160864]

>>5160857
Just read 4000 pages about color theory

[Anonymous No.5160873]

>>5160864
FUCK

[Anonymous No.5160903]

>>5160813
soul, but you need to work on your straights.
Look up Brent Eviston in the mega thread and follow along with his "week 1 Basic Skills". As a quick tip for your window etc., I would say that you should compare the sides of your wall features with the sides of the wall, just so you don't have to guess quite as much.

>>5124477

[Anonymous No.5160908]

>>5158613
>>5158631
Tried to be more decisive with the lines this time but hasn't really worked out that well,
Turns out it's pretty hard to get rid of this habit.

[Anonymous No.5160914]

I underestimated loomis' "fun with a pencil". 2 days of reading/learning it, it's fun. My target for next month is that I should be able to draw "funny faces" by imagination. (Still based on this book ofc)

[Anonymous No.5160918]

>>5160811
The left side looks like guess-work (Shoulder to arm). My only advice is to keep studying more anatomy until you think less about every muscle individually and more about the form they give the body. I recommend Gottfried Bammes anatomy book to get a better 3-D-form view of the stuff and hopefully internalize it.

[Anonymous No.5160929]

>>5160813

[Anonymous No.5160944]

>>5160914
Lowkey is the first time of all my years crabbing here I see an appealing attempt at those dumb ass Boomis heads. Nice. Your spheres aren't bad, either.

[Anonymous No.5160946]

>>5160789
>>5158555

[Anonymous No.5160956]

>>5160914
BASED LOOMIS

[Anonymous No.5160962]

>>5160956
Wtf. Is that a real alien??

[Anonymous No.5160967]

>>5160962
no you imagined it

[Anonymous No.5160968]

Dude, how the fuck do you paint where the shadow connects with an object?

[Anonymous No.5160976]

>>5160903
>>5160929

Thank you, I have his course in my bookmarks now. I don't draw often but I'd like to especially get better at drawing people. When I show my drawn people to others, people say it looks like them, but I'm also well aware that it's not close to being realistic.
I really only use pens, and use color pencils for color, but I've been considering looking into watercolors so my colors aren't so grainy. Any advice there would be truly appreciated. Just got sober and I want a hobby I can focus on.

photo on left is a long sketch, photo on right is a short sketch. how long do you think it'd take to attain the skill of better realistically drawing people?

[Anonymous No.5161026]

Too tired late.

Just low effort doodles and trying to into clothes.

[Anonymous No.5161033]

photobashing hell

[Anonymous No.5161034]

I want to draw a girl holding a lily in both her hands. I want the hands to be in front of her chest but I don’t just want them too look like a bunch of sausage lines squished together, how do I go about making attractive hands?

[Anonymous No.5161040]

>>5161034
find some reference that you find attractive and use it

[Anonymous No.5161042]

>>5161034
Like this but like if you were looking at the hands straight on. I can’t visualize this for some fuckin reason

[Anonymous No.5161044]

>>5161034
draw 100 hands each in different pose and angle every day

[Anonymous No.5161045]

>>5161033
My mind is confused on how this was made.

[Anonymous No.5161049]

i watched a marco bucci video yesterday about value. so i started with just two values, the almost white, and the darker gray. then i added the half tones, and last the ambient occlusion. but i didn't blend anything.

i think this looks like hot garbage. any advice?

[Anonymous No.5161054]

>>5161049
I think you should run the original photo through photoshop and reduce it to three colours grayscale and compare. If it matches you’re on the right track

[Anonymous No.5161056]

>>5161049
beg advice:

It supposed to look meh when not blended

[Anonymous No.5161059]

>>5161049
Here is some of my beg value practice, I have not watched the vid your talking about.

[Anonymous No.5161066]

Any tips?

[Anonymous No.5161069]

>>5161049
Try using shapes instead of blotchy shit. Also her shirt is black not grey and that phone cord should be grey all the way down.

Try squinting at it and working from big value shapes down to the small ones, instead of that messy splotchy shit youre doing

[Anonymous No.5161075]

>>5161066
Yeah, find a better way to draw boobs.

[Anonymous No.5161076]

>>5160976
the right I like, good subject choice
> better realistically drawing people
Perfectly realistic - very long. You're pretty close to the beginning of your journey but on the bright side you will probably see some fairly immediate art gains. have fun with the process of learning new techniques, practicing and getting better.
Once you start feeling confident with your line-work and get further in that course look up "proko How to Draw the Head from Any Angle" on youtube. General idea with construction is to make guiding shapes lightly using pencil to help you before you commit with your dark lines / pen, because getting it right the first time is hard.

[Anonymous No.5161078]

>>5161075
how?

[Anonymous No.5161079]

Where can I get some super simple drawing references for learning how to draw from reference?

[Anonymous No.5161081]

>>5160789
>Look at a stone cutter hammering away at his rock, perhaps a hundred times without as much as a crack showing in it. Yet at the hundred-and-first blow it will split in two, and I know it was not the last blow that did it, but all that had gone before.

[Anonymous No.5161085]

>>5160793
arthritis

[Anonymous No.5161090]

>>5161033
The perspective jesus christ

[Anonymous No.5161091]

>>5161081
>Look at the beg drawing everyday, perhaps a thousand times without any improvement showing in it. Yet at the thousand-and-first drawing it will improve, and I know it was not the last drawing that did it, but all that had gone before.

[not that anon No.5161102]

>>5161078
don't listen to me, just wanted to post this

[Anonymous No.5161104]

how do i make good pictures of my art?
the lighting in my home is terrible and i really struggle to draw things, yet alone take pictures of them.

I have photocopier built-in the printer, but only A4 and doing art on A4 was forbidden by my mentor

[Anonymous No.5161105]

>>5161066
You draw tits like they’re supposed to be rock hard implants

[Anonymous No.5161107]

>>5161105
but they are supposed to be either supported by hand or squished together, can you redline me or give me some example?

[Anonymous No.5161110]

>>5161066
They both have t-Rex arms and the girl on the right’s body is fucked

[Anonymous No.5161118]

>>5160811
Remember to keep your proportions in check. Like her right arm, the forearm is long. Also the Head to shoulder length = ribcage length = rib cage to pubic area. Also keepthe body symetrical in size her right leg is thinnner than her left.

[Anonymous No.5161136]

Here's your daily reminder to look at and analyze art.

ArtStation and DeviantArt are both OK, but also browse WikiArt, The Met Museum, Google Arts & Culture, etc. Don't just look at mainstream stuff.

[Anonymous No.5161140]

>>5160914
do us a favor and tell me what texta your using brotha

[Anonymous No.5161143]

>>5161136
GMI

without inspiration and comparison you will never grow

[Anonymous No.5161147]

>>5160830
Liking is just a way to say "Hey this is neat" without clogging the bookmark section of your profile

[Anonymous No.5161162]

>>5160914
That book is retarded and the faces he teaches you to draw are ugly. If you want to be insecure about your art you should draw those ugly heads I guess.

[Anonymous No.5161167]

>>5161162
you know you don't have to draw hi faces. They're examples. You can do your own thing with the construction he teaches in the book. It's pretty straightforward

[Anonymous No.5161169]

>>5161076
>Unironically recommending Proko

That guy's career was ruined thanks to drawing from imagination stream.

[Anonymous No.5161171]

>>5161167
it's pretty funny how many people post their "homework" from that book, and they've literally copied the faces

how can people be so dense? i thought art attracted people who could think abstractly

[Anonymous No.5161177]

>>5161169
Proko is good, just not for begs.

[Anonymous No.5161178]

>>5161033
supposed to look like this in the end lmfao

[Anonymous No.5161179]

>>5161169
I'm not saying buy the guy's course. His head construction is fine, it's just loomis

[Anonymous No.5161180]

>>5161177
He won't be ever considered good by me thanks to the kangaroo.

[Anonymous No.5161182]

>>5161171
art attracts all kinds of people. The people who make it think abstractly.

side note: some of the faces are meant to be copied. Loomis will also ask you to work out the construction of some of his drawings later. These should be done, but needn't be posted here really.

[Anonymous No.5161194]

>>5161069
ok makes sense thanks

[Anonymous No.5161225]

[Anonymous No.5161228]

stopped for a really long time trying to get back into it

[Anonymous No.5161230]

>>5161228
forgot this oop

[Anonymous No.5161240]

>>5161230
>those hairy lines

Make your ideas out of simple shapes and forms. 1-3 lines max. It'll be so much nicer

[Anonymous No.5161244]

>>5161225
I like the body but the boobs look weird

[Anonymous No.5161248]

>>5161240
i used to. never liked it, i like it more chaotic but thats just me

[Anonymous No.5161253]

What can I improve on lads

[Anonymous No.5161260]

>>5161253
Everything

[Anonymous No.5161262]

>>5161253
do more head study and line training

[Anonymous No.5161265]

4 days of grinding Loomis Heads has gotten us this far. Will I make it?

[Anonymous No.5161267]

>>5161265
TUMMYYYYY

[Anonymous No.5161270]

>>5161253

[Anonymous No.5161279]

>>5161265
Yeah, just try not to post your stomach next time

[Anonymous No.5161281]

how do feet? couldnt find much reff of someone hanging out

[Anonymous No.5161283]

>>5160789
Ref for today's sketching for those who can't decide on one: deer family

[Anonymous No.5161284]

>>5161265
i think you left some cum on your tum

[Anonymous No.5161285]

Anons, I need help. Can't understand how to properly draw the gunshots in red night vision filter while the target is pinned to the wall. Can anybody help me? I searched all the buras and webm threads for the refs, haven't found nothing.

[Anonymous No.5161286]

>>5161284
It's paint lmao

[Anonymous No.5161288]

>>5161270

[Anonymous No.5161289]

>>5161285
Can you edgemasters have a containment drawthread in /b/ or somethig?

[Anonymous No.5161292]

>>5161289
DUUUDE ITS MY ARTISTIC VISION!!! IM SO MISUNDERSTOOD!!

[Anonymous No.5161301]

>>5161265
topkek

don't shade man, that's distracting you from the principles. Play with line weight, and plan the forms like he shows you, you mong

[Anonymous No.5161302]

>>5161283
nice, i'll try this tomorrow

[Anonymous No.5161305]

>>5161265
Dried semen/10

[Anonymous No.5161307]

>>5160789
There is a learning-to-draw thread in /trash/: >>>/trash/35811017
I suggest the link for it gets put in the OP, so we don't have furries, edgelords and other extra degen degens shitting up our comfy /beg/ or at least have less of them.

[Anonymous No.5161436]

Just realized that I've spent those last few days drawing finished drawings instead of studying on thing I lack off and so I decided to start right now. What would you guys recommend for getting better at drawing speed, anatomy, composition, faces and character design? Pic related Is my art. Been thinking about actually finishing the 250 boxes challenge in DAB and start reading Bridgman and do gesture (regarding this last one too, can I get tips? A friend suggested to Just do the countours without even a base but when I do It my gestures look like shit)

[Anonymous No.5161440]

>forced to wake up for shit reunions
>no proper mind to draw today
fucking hate my work schedules.

[Anonymous No.5161497]

>>5161436
dynamic sketching and Vilppu

[Anonymous No.5161525]

Fun with pen

[Anonymous No.5161542]

>>5161525
what's the reference?

[Anonymous No.5161543]

>>5161102
senpai! I kneel!

[Anonymous No.5161546]

>>5161542

[Anonymous No.5161552]

>>5161178
>high heels

[Anonymous No.5161564]

>>5161066

[Anonymous No.5161574]

>>5161564

[Anonymous No.5161711]

>>5160789
Trying to do that Kim Jung gi stuff of drawing without sketching. Harder than It looks

[Anonymous No.5161717]

How do I make my noses not look like pig noses? It’s so infuriating.

[Anonymous No.5161752]

>>5161717
Start by posting your work

[Anonymous No.5161767]

[Anonymous No.5161797]

>>5161102
Who made that gif?

[Anonymous No.5161820]

>>5160789
I’m trying to work with Hampton’s figure drawing method but 1. It isn’t really working for me and 2. I can’t say I really enjoy doing it. Anything I’m doing super wrong? I’m really struggling

[Anonymous No.5161833]

>>5161820
The bodies you are drawing are quite large and the heads are small

[Anonymous No.5161839]

>>5161833
I’m seeing that now. Proportionality seems to be something I need to really work on

[Anonymous No.5161845]

>>5161288
We can do it /beg/!

[Anonymous No.5161857]

>>5161839
Proportions are difficult for me to get right as well, it really takes practice. What I do suggest is taking a figure course because it seems like you’re misunderstanding a lot with your sketches, and you’re trying to do too much at once which is confusing you further. I can only shill Brent eviston’s figure course because it’s the only one I went through completely so far. Feel free to take my advice with sodium though since I draw animay. I could post some of my noob figure sketches I did traditionally going through the course as well

[Anonymous No.5161863]

>>5161857
Honestly at this point I’m going to go to Loomis. Having to have a box in the correct perspective and drawing on top of it with hampton feels weird to me and I feel like Loomis would be a lot easier as well as much more preferable.

[Anonymous No.5161873]

>>5161857
oh ya i got a question, how do you do your line art so well i still can't get the hang of it most people just crate a sketch layer and draw over it but how do they erase it without looking obvious

[Anonymous No.5161890]

>>5161873
What I’m doing in that picture is technically a sketch still since the lines are too careless still for me, the blue sketch is what I call a thumbnail sketch where I draw tiny and iron out most of the General shapes and stuff
But anyway your line art will naturally improve the more drawings you make. I’ve been drawing every day for two years now constantly doing line art and colors so I think it’s only natural my lines have improved a bit. My PC broke 7 months ago and I had to start relying on my iPad which I wasn’t able to do line arting on until I practiced a bit. Pic related is a sketch from one year ago

[Anonymous No.5161914]

>>5161230
psych ward art therapy / 10

[Anonymous No.5161925]

Still struggling with lines on the hair and the highlights in particular. This was done to test out CSP but I am definitely not using it to it's full potential.

[Anonymous No.5161933]

>>5161873
Forgot to answer your last question for the erasing sketch traditionally
That's either because the person drew very lightly or they traced the sketch onto a new paper with pen and maybe even a lightbox. Drawing lightly is kinda important but I think I ignored it for a while because ive been digital only for a year and a half

[Anonymous No.5161937]

Please judge my art, let me know what you think, and how I can improve!

[Anonymous No.5161974]

>>5161937
read the sticky, you're a textbook /beg/

[Anonymous No.5161985]

>>5161253
what's the symbol under her eye?
do you have a way i can reach you?

[Anonymous No.5161998]

I've been drawing for about a month, dipped into loomis but need to work harder to get through fwap instead of drawing this shit...
anyways, something looks off to me, can anyone help point it out? I know it needs a body but I'm definitely not good enough to draw a decent body yet.
I'll grind fundies tomorrow i promise

[Anonymous No.5162039]

>>5161574
>still not fixing the fucked up tits

[Anonymous No.5162046]

>>5161937
download before it's too late newfag
>>5161627

[Anonymous No.5162052]

>>5161574
needs more fundies, the smaller girl isn't leaning enought to deform the boob from the other girl but this doesnt matter since the bra on the left tit is not supported by her neck so the supposed weight that should go to the left tit to make the right one bigger is gone so to make it work she should be pushing the tit in place like this

[Anonymous No.5162054]

>>5162046
whats this? im already high /beg/

[Anonymous No.5162071]

>>5162054
you're definitely not high beg unless you have been drinking meth hahaha

[Anonymous No.5162073]

>>5161890
one more thing i wanted to ask, where do you get your poses from since you mentioned in the last thread you had saved pictures

[Anonymous No.5162078]

>>5161998
i like the subtle gradations

[Anonymous No.5162080]

It' a tree day

[Anonymous No.5162095]

How to improve

[Anonymous No.5162096]

>>5161998
It looks nice

[Anonymous No.5162109]

>>5161283
Tried actually measuring things this time, didn't work out to good. Still feels like I've made the smal deer too large

[Anonymous No.5162133]

>>5162073

https://mega.nz/folder/UcNG2AiT#jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw

I'm not who you were asking but in the 'Japanese books' folder there's a bunch of reference books for posing

[Anonymous No.5162136]

[Anonymous No.5162149]

>>5162095
line weight variation is nice
keep grinding

[Anonymous No.5162210]

>>5162133
thank you

[Anonymous No.5162251]

hehe perspective goes brr

[Anonymous No.5162256]

>>5161253

[Anonymous No.5162263]

[Anonymous No.5162266]

>>5162149
thanks

[Anonymous No.5162276]

>>5161283
Saving the little mecha deer for later.

[Anonymous No.5162282]

tips appreciated

[Anonymous No.5162291]

>>5162282
Get out of beg

[Anonymous No.5162296]

>>5162282
hand could be improved I guess, but overall it looks nice

[Anonymous No.5162315]

>>5162282
get into /asg/

[Anonymous No.5162317]

what did you study today anon?

[Anonymous No.5162321]

>>5162317
hands, almost completing the 100

[Anonymous No.5162330]

>>5161253
the answer to your question is yes

[Anonymous No.5162331]

>>5162296
Yeah, I definitely need to stop avoiding them.

>>5162315
Probably a better thread for what I'm trying to achieve, I just thought the OP image looked similar to the level I'm at so I posted here.

[Anonymous No.5162332]

>>5162073
Mix of other art, images from /s/ or from reference packs and courses like the mega that was linked to you

[Anonymous No.5162361]

>>5162332

[Anonymous No.5162379]

>>5162317
half perspective, half making low effort contributions to drawthreads, and I made this Soijak Donald Duck when someone was talking shit about Diogenes.
Calarts faces are suprisingly hard, actually. At least to make them look legit and not like you're making fun of the style.

[Anonymous No.5162456]

>>5162256
Based and soulful

[Anonymous No.5162481]

I am going through Perspective Made Easy and the author is not the first one to mention that 2 vanishing points should never be too close to each other or the perspective will get warped, even going as far as calling it "violent" perspective. He suggests when this happen we move 1 of the points far away to the other one. I personally don't see that as a problem at all, but he is not the first one I see mentioning that. I get it that the perspective itself will get warped and distorted, but I don't see that as a problem. Am I just too stupid?

[Anonymous No.5162490]

Drew this entirely from imagination, I don't have giantess friends to pose, kek. Her right foot, the one next to the club, doesn't look right, help? Any other big issues?

[Anonymous No.5162494]

>>5162481
no, "warped" perspective can look cool, you just have to know when to use it

[Anonymous No.5162499]

>>5162494
Looks like it, anon. I was searching for warped perspective just now and found a lot of cool stuff, thanks!

[Anonymous No.5162509]

>>5162490
Something about this, I don't know what it is but the giant doesn't read as a giant at all for me, but just a normal member of the gang scaled up with photoshop. I know a giant is literally just a normal person but large, but it's not reading in your image for me.

[Anonymous No.5162558]

>>5161265
i fucking lol'd

[Anonymous No.5162612]

>>5161026
what are you studying to have shit look this nice?

[Anonymous No.5162621]

>>5162052
blog?

[Anonymous No.5162692]

>>5161914
never been to a ward, tried too, didnt work out they just told me do go away

[Anonymous No.5162703]

>>5162692
How old are you?

[Anonymous No.5162706]

>>5160789
you do use temptation bundling, right anon!?

[Anonymous No.5162707]

Does this look fine? I struggled too much with the hands oh god.

[Anonymous No.5162716]

>>5162707
Damn, I felt like there was something wrong, I changed it a little bit. just to be sure. im gonna sleep, i'm very sick and tired.

[Anonymous No.5162727]

>>5161230
>pray mecy

[Anonymous No.5162763]

Ok, guys. i tried to break down one of my favorite artist. But can you guys let me know if my notes are correct? from my understanding, He obviously does not draw from real life human anatomy because "Anime face, hips, and cartoon ears." sometimes i beat myself up over the fact that when i draw on my leisure time, that my realistic pictures turn out cartoon and vice versa. and i always get that bad feeling that i'm always copying somebody even though i'm not. anybody relate?

[Anonymous No.5162770]

>>5162763
Here's the original if you want to edit. i'll post my fanart when i'm in a better mood.

[Anonymous No.5162775]

>>5162509
The giant should not have regular human proportions, that's what is throwing you off. Instead of 7-8 heads tall, the giant should probably be 9 or something. Same way that petite women and midgets are not just scaled down 7.5 heads tall people, the head to body ratio changes with height.

[Anonymous No.5162777]

>>5162716
Visually speaking the collarbone ends usually somewhere in the mid point or a bit towards shoulder but never directly point to shoulder.

Right hand can't do those kind of angel because your upper arm has a singular straight bone.

Line of left leg is too far up, remember your leg is connected to your crotch.

Not a bad attempt, keep grinding my friend

[Anonymous No.5162780]

>>5162763
>>5162770
I don't think the original body looks good.
on your notes which I can barely comprehend notice that those "eye distances" you made aren't that consistent in top left.
Hair line is also incorrect.
The rest I can't comprehend well enough.

[Anonymous No.5162784]

>>5162763
>He obviously does not draw from real life human anatomy because "Anime face, hips, and cartoon ears."
Her proportions are correct 7.5 heads tall and the width is right too. He obviously understands human anatomy and proportions, and has just stylized it. There's a book about this in some of the megas, called Drawing Girls. You should take a look, as it talks about exactly what this artist is doing.

[Anonymous No.5162787]

>>5160789
I'm trying to go through pic related but its been really time consuming and filled with a lot of useless information so far. Does it get eventually get better and how much of it do I actually have to read?

[Anonymous No.5162788]

>>5161230
this cause i didnt get the crit i needed,
does the body look like a real body or did i fuck up

[Anonymous No.5162791]

>>5162727
>mecy

the r is behind him and i was highly dissociating word hard

[Anonymous No.5162792]

>>5162052
now I see what you guys mean, thanks

[Anonymous No.5162793]

>>5162703
22

[Anonymous No.5162795]

I wanna make fantasy comics. Is there a good book to read for making comics? I tried jumping into it blindly with a super rough mannequin thing but I dont know how to pace the panels. I gotta grind perspective also

[Anonymous No.5162801]

>>5162780
Could you help me understand the hair line if you have the time?
>>5162784
Thank you, i'll check those out sometime... but can you explain why i have 5 and a half heads on what i made. am i wrong for breaking it down like that?

[Anonymous No.5162804]

>>5162795
"framed ink" is good

[Anonymous No.5162807]

>>5162804
>>5162795
framed perspective too

[Anonymous No.5162812]

>>5162804
>>5162807
Thanks

[Anonymous No.5162815]

i spent maybe 5 mins on this, based off a song

[Anonymous No.5162816]

>>5162777
many thanks to you my friend, I will try my best tomorrow after I get back from my wagejob.

[Anonymous No.5162822]

>>5162815
>>>/b/

[Anonymous No.5162827]

>>5162787
skim through to the end and see if you find anything useful that would make it worth reading it. I didn't, but perhaps you could find something useful.

[Anonymous No.5162833]

>>5162822
no, im not going back there

[Anonymous No.5162836]

>>5162815
Spent maybe 30 seconds on this, thoughts?

[Anonymous No.5162838]

>>5162833
Why not, you'll fit in better there, hun

[Anonymous No.5162839]

>>5162836
its kinda small and doesnt have any foreskin 3/10 wouldnt suck but would bat around

[Anonymous No.5162840]

>>5162815
/mu/tard begone

[Anonymous No.5162841]

>>5162787
Just start drawing, or move onto something else, you wouldn't understand her mumbo jumbo regardless

[Anonymous No.5162847]

>>5162838
i both ruined my life and made a future sexworking job for myself when i was still underaged. so i dont wanna go back

[Anonymous No.5162848]

>>5162763

[Anonymous No.5162851]

>>5162847
Thread full of people who care.jpg
Fuck off, dumb ESL attentionwhore. Also
>implying you're not underage now

[Anonymous No.5162854]

>>5162851
>ESL
Electronic Sports League?
what

nah this was like 2013-16 or something idk who cares, maybe actually crit art and not cry about it?

[Anonymous No.5162859]

>>5162839
I don't actually have a dick, that's me drawing from imagination but thanks anyway :3

[Anonymous No.5162861]

>>5162854
There's nothign to crit, if you actually want crit spend more than 5 mins, also choose a non-edgy subject matter, preferrably sketch something from a photo and put the reference next to your drawing, so we could see you're actually trying to learn, instead of attentionwhoring with some cringy song lyrics

[Anonymous No.5162866]

>>5162763
>>5162784
>>5162848
Ok, i couldn't find "Drawing Girl". but i have already read through Loomis, but i know that you all like to make fun of Loomis. any one know what i should read next?

[Anonymous No.5162867]

>>5162815
the tail looks like a furry buttplug lmao

[Anonymous No.5162873]

>>5162867
omg i cant unsee it now

[Anonymous No.5162875]

>>5162839
>>5162815
Gay emo fag/10

[Anonymous No.5162878]

>>5162861
okay dude well for this one i used this as ref, took maybe 15 mins, can you crit now or you gonna cry more? >>5161230

[Anonymous No.5162882]

>>5162878
Really nothing to add to allmthe people who already responded. Hairy lines, clashing colors, composition not well-thought-out, no effort evident. Maybe go through the resource links in the OP and come back when you've read at least two books from there and done some entry level exercises.

[Anonymous No.5162883]

>>5162777
not that guy but could you explain this to me i don't really understand
also nice numbers :D

[Anonymous No.5162885]

>>5161230
>>5161281
>>5162692
>>5162815
ok homie stop for a second. You're pumping these out without putting any effort. It's fine if it's for vent, but don't turn around and ask for crit if you're not going to be able to accept it. People said fix your linework and your turnaround is "it's my style". If your style is taking away from the quality of your work, then its a hindrance. Slow down. Gather reference. Put a line stabilizer on and work in one, long stroke. And remember, whatever the fuck you're going through right now, there are people out there that care about you and will be there for you if you genuinely try

[Anonymous No.5162892]

>>5162815
Draw some balls and boxes, that seems more your level than detailed figure and anatomical drawings with complicated textures like fur, exposed torn muscle and pools of liquid in various states of drying. What, too boring for you, edgy cunt? Then fuck off.

[Anonymous No.5162896]

>>5162885
Please stop enabling baiting emos. We don't care what they're going through, we're not their shrink or mom and shouldn't be exposed to their mental vomit. If they want to vent and whine, there are special boards for this like /r9k/.

[Anonymous No.5162897]

>>5162282
OOOOOOOUUUUGGHGHHHH

[Anonymous No.5162903]

>>5162282
rly sxy
>>5162859
blog? :3

[Anonymous No.5162912]

>>5162885
youre too nice

this is one that i did with cleaner lines a few years back, this year ive been trying something new and i know i like it, but im still trying to make the form right, i mean one of the crits was to go to a mental hosptial and idk how that relates

[Anonymous No.5162913]

>>5161230
>oop
Hate these three letters for some reason, seem like a dead giveaway of a dumb obnoxious normie zoomer, and has proven so itt

[Anonymous No.5162914]

>>5162912

[Anonymous No.5162916]

>>5162912
and this was the last thing i used clean lines on

[Anonymous No.5162920]

>>5162912
>>5162914
>>5162916
>he thinks those are clean lines
Top kek.
Boring color palette and babby-tier rendering. Go through the googledoc, we're ain't your free kindergarten art teacher

[Anonymous No.5162921]

>>5162903
Don't have one, don't need one since I'm an ngmi beg

[Anonymous No.5162932]

>>5162282
Aggggghhhhh I’m cooooinnngggg

[Anonymous No.5162940]

>>5162912
>>5162914
>>5162916

these are considerably better. I like the concept on the second the most. I like drawing horror-related art too. What is your goal artwise? is there an artist you aspire to be as good as? This will help give you advice that is relevant. If you want to paint, then there's no point in focusing on lineart.

The mental hospital comment relates to how every single piece you've posted relates to either suicide, murder, or blood in a way that screams for attention rather than having any artistic language. That and it's 4chan

[Anonymous No.5162948]

>>5162940
i used too, but that kinda made me mad at even trying to draw, so im just doing it for fun, if anything id like to people to know what i am and who i am just from seeing my art.
but now im just happy drawing daily even if its cringe shit i got inspired from a song

[Anonymous No.5162949]

Loomis heads.

[Anonymous No.5162951]

>>5162282
LOOMIS
why is her tit poking like a knife, weird shadow angle despiste her body not leaning to the right, shading in the left arm makes it look like a blob not to mention the wrong proportions on it, what the fuck is wrong with the non visible leg, painted ties,gloves,stiff clothes and dislocated shoulder..YIKES!

[Anonymous No.5162959]

>>5162951
Epic silhouette trace.

[Anonymous No.5162962]

>>5162951
dont crab like that pls

[Anonymous No.5162963]

>>5162951
Thank you for the actual criticism, even if it's brutal.

[Anonymous No.5162964]

>>5162963
It's not even brutal, it is just retarded.

[Anonymous No.5162968]

>>5162948
>just doing it for fun
Fuck off then, why do you need crit? Crit's not fun.
>id like to people to know what i am and who i am just from seeing my art
So attentionwhoring it is then. We don't want to know who you are, snowflake. It's an anonymous imageboard in case you've not noticed
>now im just happy drawing daily even if its cringe shit
Fun blog, mate. Why bring it here, though? Normiebook, r9k, tumblr, etc. People've already pointed you to places where this belongs. This is not a hugbox general.

[Anonymous No.5162975]

Why only head?

[Anonymous No.5162979]

>>5162964
I mean he's right about the other leg and stuff and I appreciate someone actually responding besides coomposting. I just wish he could've elaborated on how it should actually look beyond just saying it's bad.

[Anonymous No.5162984]

AHHHH HOW THE FUCK DO I LOOMIS HEAD

[Anonymous No.5162989]

What's a good shape to use for the hips in a mannequin? I like using the boxy-ellipse ribcage, but somehow boxes and bowls never seem to sit right for the mass of the hips and pelvis.

[Anonymous No.5162994]

>>5162968
are you okay?

[Anonymous No.5162996]

>>5162994
Better than you, emo shizo

[Anonymous No.5162997]

>>5162984
Unironically draw from life every single day (while also practicing the Loomis method) until you can feel the form and perform cross sections of round objects with reasonable accuracy. Unironically do life studies of eggs (since they have a pretty even, uniform shape). All kinds of angles and distances. You eventually start to "feel" how the lines go behind the object with respect to its form.
Otherwise you're just drawing random circles and hoping to get it right.

[Anonymous No.5163004]

>>5162948
If you're just looking to improve generally so you can have fun drawing, focus on your lines. Even with just drawing, having smooth lines will improve your work by a lot. Focus on making cubes, curves and most importantly, abstract shapes with contour lines to show depth (like in the picture). These will help train your hand-eye coordination and teach your mind how to create depth in an image.

it's fine to be mad at your level. It's not ok to ruminate on it. Taking small steps to build up strength will help you in the long run. Maybe in a decade, your name and will have a following

I also doodled your funny meathead guy. I hope this helped

[Anonymous No.5163007]

>>5162951
>insult art
>just trace in the redline, fix nothing
>get praise
>.......
>profit?

[Anonymous No.5163011]

>>5160811
thanks anons for the advice. I redid the arms and tried to fix up the positioning and size of the legs. Learned a lot in the process from the small things in the ref i missed even if it's still not fully right.

[Anonymous No.5163012]

>>5163004
based
im not that guy, but your drawing looks a lot better
teach us to get good senpai

[Anonymous No.5163014]

>>5160811
before you do anything, draw the simple shapes with form and perspective. secondary forms can wait until you master form.

[Anonymous No.5163019]

I'm having a problem whne I'm shading figures using 5 value system.
So I went back to basics and begin shading simple forms here is an example.
I'm not going for super realistic values just following vlippu, steve huston stuff.

[Anonymous No.5163022]

>>5163019
Some quick sketch from imagination

[Anonymous No.5163028]

>>5163004
Thankyou Anon

[Anonymous No.5163040]

>>5162854
>pretending not to know what ESL means
Y'all niggas falling for such obvious bait, lmao.

[Anonymous No.5163049]

>>5163040
>Y'all niggas falling for such obvious bait, lmao
no i googled it and thats the thing that came up soz you got your own grade a acronyms

[Anonymous No.5163051]

>>5163004
this looks disgustingly well done

[Anonymous No.5163061]

Cool, I'm better than everyone in this thread. Neat.

[Anonymous No.5163163]

>draw line of action
>position body so it flows really well
>have to staple the arms on the sides
>always look like shit
I fucking hate arms

[Anonymous No.5163171]

>>5163012
>>5163028
>>5163051
thank you for the replies, guys. I hope other people pick up these exercises too. Drawing poorly, not knowing the subject matter well, or being indecisive with lines can potentially make a good drawing bad. poor line quality and pen control always makes a good drawing bad.

[Anonymous No.5163231]

5 months anon here
Ive been thinking about finetuning my personality since yeah I agree with my current attitude not helping but please answer this, can ANYONE and that includes me and if you've seen my work, my practice, and you know what I complain about (being talentless) do you think it's plausible for me to draw like my heroes (the Alita guy?) with enough practice and grit?
Give me the cold hard truth doc.

[Anonymous No.5163239]

>>5163231
>do you think it's plausible for me to draw like my heroes (the Alita guy?) with enough practice and grit?
Yes.
But it's not just "practice". The "just draw" meme is retarded. You need to THINK and draw, not just draw.

[Anonymous No.5163296]

What's the point of inking with this in digital art anymore when faster methods exist? Like you don't need to draw shadows with thin lines you can just use the airbrush and get a better result
I don't get why this didn't dissapier years ago honestly

[Anonymous No.5163309]

>>5163239
The just draw thing is to get people who overthink shit to stop shitting up the board and actually try drawing.

Focused study is much better than studying without a goal or something to learn.

[Anonymous No.5163318]

>>5161225
By any chance, do you post yo shit on other sites? I think I've seen you post this somewhere else.

[Anonymous No.5163320]

>>5163231
No because you're not here to get better, you're here due to partly wanting attention and partly having a mental illness.

[Anonymous No.5163330]

>>5160857
Start rough and use a gradient map for what you imagine the ambient light to look like then go over with more pigments when going into detail. If you've already done a bunch of detailed ambient occlusion and whatnot the just use lasso tool to gradient map different sections. Different artists have different methods so just look up yt tutorials if you have to

[Anonymous No.5163331]

Decided to stop putting head/face studies aside. Not as crushing as I thought it'd be at least.

>>5162984
It looks like you're on the right track even though you're frustrated now. Improvement will come with practice. Just be more mindful of foreshortening and perspective to sell the direction the head is facing, and don't be afraid to redline your own work by overlaying your references to figure out where things went wrong.

[Anonymous No.5163339]

>>5161178
The face is supposed to the focal point and therefore have the most amount of detail but, in this, the armour is more detailed and it looks weird (stop photobashing)

[Anonymous No.5163340]

Read the past 50 posts or so itt
Quite a few mentally ill people holy shit lol just draw

[Anonymous No.5163360]

>>5162816
>>5162883
Did a quick recreation of the pose so you have a reference of what I was suggesting.

Collarbone is the bone on the top of the shoulder, when you are not a skeletor it will look like...well...a collar around the base of your neck, so wrap it around your neck like collar will look more natural.

On right hand because the deltoid muscle, it will bulge up slightly near the shoulder. And having your upper arm in that angle would sort of suggest your forearm is rotated 90 degrees on the joint as you can see from the elbow.

Your leg is connected to the pelvic, so the inner thigh line is not a smooth line linking to your waist.
I chose a slightly more top down angle so you can see roughly what's happening at the crotch area.

Of course for drawing you can choose where to exaggerated and where to tone down, so take what you would. Hope this helps, cheers.

[Anonymous No.5163380]

>>5160908
They were drawn upside down this time which is why the proportions are all over the place.

[Anonymous No.5163383]

I usually do an under drawing like this, then lower the opacity and do the line work on top. Is this a typical workflow or am I wasting too much time?

[Anonymous No.5163387]

>>5163380
Three words for you:
Line of action

[Anonymous No.5163389]

>>5163387
Mind giving an example of improved lines of action in the drawings?

[Anonymous No.5163393]

>>5162997
>>5163331
yeah I started doing these as well to get a better grip and it's helping a lot. thanks senpaitachi

[Anonymous No.5163405]

Currently lining this, any advice?

[Anonymous No.5163407]

>working tonight, finally have some downtime to practice drawing
>some retard factory worker cuts his finger off, spend the two "slow" hours of the night treating his stump, icing his finger and filing gay paperwork
my gains.....

[Anonymous No.5163410]

[Anonymous No.5163472]

Here's a more detailed chart for my previous mecha. I can't wait to return back to digital since my phone camera is shit

[Anonymous No.5163492]

>>5163472
mecha is stupid

[Anonymous No.5163501]

>>5162787
you got memed, someone should remove that from the sticky. Do Keys to drawing. It isn't full of pseudoscience blabber.

Pro-tip: Do the exercises in right side as a supplement to the Keys ones. You'll get gud quick

[Anonymous No.5163513]

>>5162866
read/watch vilppu.
Go back and actually read Loomis.
Above all, get yourself better inspiration. That 'artist' is hot garbage

[Anonymous No.5163520]

>>5163331
Do the bargue plates properly

[Anonymous No.5163545]

>>5163520
I suppose i should, though I don't really know what
"doing it properly" means either. I happened to have an archive of Bargue images that I found appealing for studying — I quite like the shapes used — and figured they'd be nice-looking references to break down. Learned quite a lot from them actually.
I'm not really studying his method or teaching, assuming I'm supposed to do perfect sight-measured copies of his plates. I just think the images are neat.

[Anonymous No.5163549]

>>5163520
I suppose I should, though I don't really know what "doing bargue plates properly" means either. I happened to have an archive of these images that I found appealing for studying — I quite like the shapes used — and figured they'd be nice-looking references to break down. Learned quite a lot from them actually.
I'm not really studying his method or teaching, assuming I'm supposed to do perfect sight-measured copies of his plates. I just think the images are neat.

[Anonymous No.5163551]

>>5163545
Correct. Sight-size method. Do what you will though, as long as you are aware of the proportions and forms.

[Anonymous No.5163558]

>>5163551
It's definitely something I'll want to think about harder in future. At the moment it's just nice to study some heads and stuff where the lines and other decisions have been made for me. Studying stuff like that has helped with drawing the body, so I'm trying it with heads.

[Anonymous No.5163571]

>>5163558
Try Drawing the head and hands by Loomis

There's a few heads in there to copy

[Anonymous No.5163577]

>>5163296
It's fun

[Anonymous No.5163653]

>go to a bookstore to buy ruler
>leave the bookstore with 30 dollars worth of supplies
Shit bros I think i fell for a trap

[Anonymous No.5163657]

>>5163340
Welcome to /ic/, newfriend

[Anonymous No.5163662]

>>5163577
No it's not, it's like learning to draw again. Fuck you

[Anonymous No.5163663]

>>5163383
>Is this a typical workflow
Yes, unless you got gud (and by this I mean very good, better than most pros)and made it, but then you wouldn't be in beg, would you?

[Anonymous No.5163669]

I still don't understand how to see things volumetrically or feel the form. Like alright I draw the big shapes and then what? How do I train myself to see things as 3D objects and not just 2D shapes on a flat screen? How do I actually lay those forms down as construction for when I'm making my sketch, and how do I convey them before I do the values? I know pic related isn't perfect in regards to proportions it's just an example of what I'm trying to do.

[Anonymous No.5163671]

>>5163407
Being that sociopathic is bad for a doctor. Remember your main job takes precedence and also pays much better than art in the long run. The latter should convince you even if you're sociopathic. I'd give everything to be a medic instead of a humanities shitter who aspires to take coommissions to escape crushing poverty, alas, was v. stupid while young, made shit career choices or just didn't have the brains for hard sciences.

[Anonymous No.5163675]

>>5163671
night security, not doctor
i do struggle with empathy though.
did a damn good job bandaging it up and according to the hospital report it'll be reattached no issue

[Anonymous No.5163849]

this hurts my brain.

[Anonymous No.5163855]

even with a design doll I have no idea how tf the perspective works.

[Anonymous No.5163862]

>try to stylise a ref
>comes out as a creepy and awkward looking anime face copypasted on a realistic bofy
every time

[Anonymous No.5163868]

how the fuck do i use ink

[Anonymous No.5163870]

>>5163868

[Anonymous No.5163897]

I gave up

[Anonymous No.5163899]

>>5163897

[Anonymous No.5163911]

>>5161283

[Anonymous No.5163947]

I can only draw crappy stickmen. Where should i start to improve? Do you recommend any book ? How much time should i draw per day ?

[Anonymous No.5163951]

I can only draw crappy stickmen. Where should i start to improve? Do you recommend any book ? How much time should i draw per day ?

[Anonymous No.5163980]

>>5163951
> Where should i start to improve?
Keys to drawing->drawabox-> loomis/anatomy/pick ur poison
> How much time should i draw per day ?
Your choice. To see improvement I think at least 2 hours of focused study

[Anonymous No.5164032]

>>5163951

[Anonymous No.5164038]

>>5163360
very nice, now it looks clear to me.

[Anonymous No.5164045]

>>5163980
Thank you anon, i take note
>>5164032
thank you, i guess

[Anonymous No.5164127]

>>5162109
that fawn looks like a necrophage from Dead Space

[Anonymous No.5164128]

>>5163897

Start with big simple shapes, get a blueprint down for the whole thing and make sure the proportions are correct before you start doing details. Don't get lost in details trying to copy exact contours before you have a proper base down. That's part of what your reference is showing you. Simplified shapes > gradually increase accuracy of shapes > actual contours.

You also might want to practice out of something you can read, if you can't read that.

[Anonymous No.5164153]

>>5162095

Get a book like Morpho, Hogarth, Loomis, etc. and learn construction and anatomy. You did a decent job trying to get the silhouette for the body but there's next to no internal structure. Nothing to indicate the structure of the torso or pelvis, obliques, abdominals, the neck, muscles and bones in the limbs, etc. Just lots of stuff where you aren't familiar with the body so you're drawing lines that just go around everything without really properly indicating the form. Just look at all the empty space inside your figure. Also the one eye looks a bit like it's drooping off the face.

[Anonymous No.5164159]

>>5160789
whats the trick to creating likeness? i have been been trying to make it look as close as posible to the original ref and at this point i just feel like i should just give up and trace, am i beeing too picky because i feel like i did something wrong and i cant recognise it

[Anonymous No.5164160]

>>5164159
this is the refrence

[Anonymous No.5164172]

reduce friction from the habits that you want and increase friction from the ones you don't.

[Anonymous No.5164227]

>>5164159
I'm /beg/ but I'm reading hampton and he says that the keystone area between the brows and nose is the largest part of capturing likeness

[Anonymous No.5164241]

>>5163405
nah man it looks fucking awesome

[Anonymous No.5164293]

>>5164227
> area between the brows and nose
are you talking about the glabella?

[Anonymous No.5164365]

where can i find head construction examples I can use as reference for practice?

[Anonymous No.5164381]

>>5161171
Are you retarded? FWaP is literally for people who can't into drawing and teaches them how. It specifically states that you copy what you see so you can get a feel for it and then do your own once you understand the basics.
That's generally how people progress in anything. You copy someone who knows what they're doing, learn from them, and then go your own way.
Why do beginner guitarists always learn C major, D major. and F major first? Why aren't they picking up the guitar and instantly Malmsteening the balls off it? Why do pianists learn Twinkle Twinkle Little Star instead of creating concertos the second they sit on the stool? Why is "hello world" the first thing you learn in programming? Why don't these programmers just switch the computer on and start writing efficiency programs before they learn what anything is?
It sounds more like you got filtered by Loomis and maybe even life in general. Stick to plebbit.

[Anonymous No.5164399]

>>5164153
Thanks for the response. I think I more or less know where those anatomical things go, that's why I can draw a silhouette from imagination, I think my problem is that I don't know how to represent those things in an appealing manner.

If you paint, I think it may be more straightforward, but if you draw it's hard to know where to put a line and where not to put it because it would look off. How do you draw the stuff that's inside the silhouette when you're drawing with ink or pencil and a linear style?

[Anonymous No.5164402]

>>5164160
Go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.5164424]

>>5163492
you are stupid

[Anonymous No.5164430]

>>5164172
that's a good one

[Anonymous No.5164439]

>>5164402
They dont give art advises there

[Anonymous No.5164444]

Having a hard time, advice appreciated.I know I did the chin wrong. i tried to do it better from #33 but still the heads look bad.

[Anonymous No.5164449]

>>5164402
>Shitting on Mussolini
faggot

[Anonymous No.5164460]

>>5163951
>How much time should i draw per day?
I would say that the most important thing is to draw everyday. so you can build the habit. but of course the more you draw the more you can learn.

[Anonymous No.5164496]

>>5164444

I think you need to slow way down and take a step back. Aside from generally being a mess, you aren't understanding the volumes that you are drawing, and you are flattening everything. If you're going off of Loomis, just stick to the pictures in the book, copy them out as accurately as you can and try to memorize them.

[Anonymous No.5164507]

>>5164496
> If you're going off of Loomis, just stick to the pictures in the book,
i watched a proko video.

I guess i wasted my time drawing this. i think i just might be too stupid to draw.

[Anonymous No.5164509]

Apparently, if you set up too many guides in Krita and start violently swinging like a retard, it loses track of which one you were on and produces stuff like this.

That could be useful for abstract art, I don't know.

[Anonymous No.5164511]

>>5164399
>I think I more or less know where those anatomical things go
You don't, no offense
>that's why I can draw a silhouette from imagination
Please post work done from reference so that people can compare. I'm saying this generally because I see a lot more figure work done from imagination here than reference, and I don't think people understand that when you're starting out 99.9% of your practice should be studying reference, not imagination. You can't draw what you don't know and you certainly can't learn from it.
> I think my problem is that I don't know how to represent those things in an appealing manner
You will learn how to design things through osmosis by studying how other artists draw things, by attempting to replicate their drawings. This is why it's so important to be copying out of a figure drawing book, studying how professional artists design things. They draw the figure in a way that clarifies the anatomy and structure so that you can learn it easily. So get one of those figure books and start copying out the pictures to memorize them.

[Anonymous No.5164532]

>>5164507

No, it's fine, Proko references Loomis from time to time and these look like Loomis heads so you're getting somewhere. Just like I said, slow it down, take your time with each drawing, and try to get ahold of one of the books to study so you can copy the pictures. You don't need to be a genius to learn how to draw, I know that for sure, just stubborn.

[Anonymous No.5164537]

>>5164511
>You don't, no offense
Is there any specific anatomic mistake that jumps out at you from that drawing?
>Please post work done from reference so that people can compare.
I don't have any drawings from reference. I look at things to try to memorize their shape and then later use that to draw, since it is not my goal to draw from reference
>You will learn how to design things through osmosis by studying how other artists draw things
i see, thanks

[Anonymous No.5164621]

>>5164444

[Anonymous No.5164660]

>>5163862
soul

[Anonymous No.5164674]

>>5163862
just calarts if you dont want to draw anime heads

[Anonymous No.5164779]

new

>>>5164777
>>5164777

[Anonymous No.5164915]

>>5162612
Assuming you're not trolling

I study Bridgman's anatomy guides to get an understanding of musculature and anatomy. I then look to artist I like to see how they stylise and simply it.

Edouard Guiton
Atomy Cyber
Forestbox
PuniPaws
itsiansu

To name a few. Very different styles but I think that's good as it gives me different perspectives on how to go about it and which method/style I like best.

For clothes I look at pics of real life then again look at the work of Guiton but also Nathan Anderson.

I have a long way to go.

[Anonymous No.5165089]

>>5163296
soul

[Anonymous No.5165351]

>>5164915
looks nice as fuck ganbatte anon

[Anonymous No.5165829]

Right shin and forearm definitely need to be redone, but what else am I missing?

[Anonymous No.5166095]

[Anonymous No.5166391]

>>5164402
artists are important conveyors of culture and meaning

[Anonymous No.5166394]

>>5165829
no pp

[Anonymous No.5166402]

>>5166391
Rightoids are soulless and incapable of producing art, even if they manage to grind into some technical competence. There's a reson your leader was rejected from art school. Spoiler: that reason isn't the jews, just that he was a hack

[Anonymous No.5166667]

>>5166402
"soul" according to marxists