/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.5135554]

Would you ever consider giving up all personal relationships and hobbies in your life in order to become one of the greats?

[Anonymous No.5135557]

>>5135554
cringe

[Anonymous No.5135563]

Already did it and fuck im tired

[Anonymous No.5135565]

What relationships and hobbies lmao

[Anonymous No.5135573]

>no relationships
>no hobbies
>five years and i'm still /beg/
maybe it's time to become an hero

[Anonymous No.5135574]

>>5135554
>personal relationships
Never had any of worth anyway
>and hobbies
Eh, only had video games as an alternative to drawing and I'm starting to get bored of that
>in order to become one of the greats?
Nah, dont care about that. Im gonna make a bunch of schizo tier /beg/ sketches all day and dump them on twitter. The only great I'm gonna be is a great cringe, wish me luck

[Anonymous No.5135576]

>>5135573
>>five years and i'm still /beg/
How? That shouldn't be possible

[Anonymous No.5135579]

>>5135576
jesus christ you're delusional

[Anonymous No.5135582]

>>5135576
I'm asking myself the same thing. It shouldnt be possible guys but I looked back and realized five years have already passed.

[Anonymous No.5135585]

perma/beg/ thread

[Anonymous No.5135587]

>>5135585
thats every thread

[Anonymous No.5135588]

>>5135582
I don't believe you.
There is no way someone can draw every day for 5 years and still consider be considered a beginner. You're probably just too hard on yourself and have low confidence.

[Anonymous No.5135598]

>>5135554
>personal relationships
What?

[Anonymous No.5135614]

>no progressive overload ever
this is why you are permabeg

[Anonymous No.5135621]

>>5135588
>I don't believe you.
look at these underages who think they've got it all figured out

[Anonymous No.5135624]

>>5135621
post your work, faggot, I bet your art is good, you cock gobbling nigger

[Anonymous No.5135630]

>>5135624
First time I've ever seen pyw used like this

[Anonymous No.5135635]

>>5135624
there's 2 things that will happen if I post my work
1. you'll say im good
or
2. the most likely answer, you'll think I have some mental deficiency that prevents me from being good to feel better about yourself

[Anonymous No.5135638]

>>5135635
nta, post your fucking work and at worst you'll get shat on and your ego a little hurt, at best you'll get shat on, some good advice/pointers and your ego a little hurt. you're anonymous here, make the most of it and get some crits, cause maybe if you hadn't been stuck in your comfort zone for the past five years not seeking any viable way to improve you wouldn't be crying about it right now
post your work, and specify what you want to improve

[Anonymous No.5135640]

>>5135635
>i won’t post my work because you’ll say i’m good or retarded
can’t wait to see /ic/ in 2030

[Anonymous No.5135653]

>>5135638
this is why I didn't post my work, because then the discussion would deviate to focus on my artwork rather than the fact I and most people here waste a lot of years and still aren't good.

>cause maybe if you hadn't been stuck in your comfort zone for the past five years not seeking any viable way to improve you wouldn't be crying about it right now

not crying about it, and I've had plenty of crits and self reflection about my artwork and still not improved to a decent level. All im doing is warning people like you who have this dumb mindset of work your ass off, cut off your social life and other hobbies to make it. I'll be honest, I'm in a way better now that I don't have my art as the main focus of my life and that's what you people should be doing too.

[Anonymous No.5135665]

Already did that.

[Anonymous No.5135669]

>>5135653
>I'm doing this and everyone else should be too
listen to yourself man you're trying to nag people into doing what you think is better, to value what you think is valuable, etc just leave it. the original topic isn't that interesting either, it's answered either "yeah I guess" or "nah" and you've just answered it saying it's not the main focus of your life.
you're afraid of negative attention and criticism as we all are, we're offering to give you advice alongside the usual crabbing and shitposting, take it or leave it

[Anonymous No.5135675]

>>5135554
I'm already doing it for free anyways.
It's like having the devil offering you a deal when he catches you jacking it to my little pony, at this point it's just a handout

[Anonymous No.5135676]

>>5135635
>>5135653
your probably a bad artist because you post paragraphs of text in arguments online instead of drawing
the other guy probably sucks too

[Anonymous No.5135698]

>>5135669
>bro go out of your comfort zone when drawing, take crits, take everything you need to get better.

>oh some anon wants opinions on whether or not he wants to entirely cripple his social life, just reply to him with a 1 word answer and don't get into detail about your own experiences doing that.

cringe

[Anonymous No.5135705]

>>5135676
post work

[Anonymous No.5135712]

>>5135698
incoherent idiot, just say you're too much of a spineless pussy to pyw
>my thread is valid!! I NEED VALIDATION
ok im leaving before I project anymore. but you know I have a point, faggot.

[Anonymous No.5135799]

>>5135554
whiplash is a good movie

[Anonymous No.5135885]

>>5135554
>Tfw broke up with girlfriend to paint more

[Anonymous No.5135903]

>>5135554
No

[Anonymous No.5135908]

>>5135885
did the right thing. skills stay. hoes come and go.

[Anonymous No.5136055]

>>5135554
>had one fight with gf time ago
>she says Im scared shes gonna distract me from my objectives
>we talk about she has this needy personality and Im more independent so she needs to get more hobbies and get confy with herself
>we got back together
>shes still needy

wtf do I do now

[Anonymous No.5136059]

>>5136055
>gf
when the fuck did this become the norm on 4chan? I'm fucking sick of this shit bros, where have all my autists gone?

[Anonymous No.5136062]

>>5135576
ignorance that was brought up as a side effect from a shitty community
probably some emotional problems that get in the way of learning
probably not as good as learning in the same way as he expects he is

here's a thing every /beg/ should consider. What kind of learner are you? If you always had trouble learning from books in school, why are you gonna start learning from them now for your passion?

[Anonymous No.5136065]

>>5136059
just talk to girls bro

[Anonymous No.5136081]

Being great is for faggots with shit priorities. I appreciate that great people exists and allow the rest of us to stand on the shoulders of giants, but they were retarded to make such huge sacrifices that in the end benefit everyone else far more than themselves anyway.

[Anonymous No.5136090]

Better question
Would you simacrifice your mental and physical health,as well as all your interests an personnal relationships,in order to have a chance to MAYBE being part of the best

[Anonymous No.5136092]

>>5136090
yes

[Anonymous No.5136095]

>>5135579
>>5135621
There's a big difference between "it's been 5 years of consistent effort and I'm not professional-tier yet" compared to "it's been 5 years of consistent effort but I haven't improve AT ALL."
The former is simply reality for most people (if your aim is to be skilled, at least, rather than for your art to simply have a subjective quality of character). The latter is just unbelievable unless MAYBE one has been literally just drawing stick figures with no external input or seeking of resources (or they're simply lying about how much time they've put into it), or has some form of legitimate defect that prevents them from absorbing/practicing new information. If the answer isn't one of those, it's usually more that they're locked in a cycle of self-loathing that is either stunting their improvement, or preventing them from being able to recognise it. Or a combination of the above.

>>5135635
>2. the most likely answer, you'll think I have some mental deficiency that prevents me from being good to feel better about yourself
You say this as if no one has ever improved after 5 years of effort. Which is just demonstrably false.

[Anonymous No.5136096]

I lived enough of my life not learning to draw
Spent my early 20s getting a degree, making friends, going to concerts, trying to get a gf all while still "just drawing"
I regret all the time i wasted but at least i'll never feel like i'll need it and just focus on learning to get good. I can also push good artists around for what social fuck ups they are

[Anonymous No.5136100]

>>5136062
What if youre shit at visual spatial but want to be an artist? is it over?

[Anonymous No.5136101]

Obligatory reminder that Van Gogh didn't start seriously trying until he was 27

[Anonymous No.5136105]

>>5136095
Not him but 5 months and NO PROGRESS
explain that>>5135668

[Anonymous No.5136112]

>>5136105
5 months isn't long at all. Honestly looks fucking good for that amount of time if you'd never drawn seriously before, it'd be a damn shame if you gave up that easy.

[Anonymous No.5136113]

>>5136100
I can't give you a perfect answer just yet. It's a topic i need to research more. Plus this "different kinds of learners" thing isn't exactly the most perfect of sciences.
When i get good I'll try to make an ultimate diagram of different kinds of brains and the best way they can learn ART.
Right now its kind of obvious that not everyone can flourish in a school setting or with books

You can still train those skills with some discipline. Don't expect to sheer force it cause you'll go at a slower pace than others
but there's a lot of other ways to learn.

[Anonymous No.5136116]

imagine not having talent

[Anonymous No.5136117]

>>5136112
This looks good to you? I can't draw from imagination, it looks like shit
I started on August of 2020 gabe up on November and most of December, started drawing again at the start of this year, I can't grasp gesture values or form, it's fucking over.
All i can do are birds, think Alita or Akira would have been amazing if it was done with birds, of course not

[Anonymous No.5136119]

>>5136117
you have yet to post finished work with color. you literally just post half baked 10 minute (generous number) sketches and complain all day

[Anonymous No.5136122]

>>5136119
That's the problem, they don't take 10 minutes
I cant color because I dont have the skill for it
If youre not good enough with oen and paper you ahould never color, my watercolor shit is horrible

[Anonymous No.5136127]

>>5136122
>>5136119
I dont measure time
Some are what 15 minutes or 16
That should be the average I feel
The ideas are good, I wont post them because of skill but I know they are, but my skill is rubbish, I have no talent at all
How can I improve this? Can i improve at all? What should I do?

[Anonymous No.5136129]

>>5136122
> i cant do x because im not good enough for it yet

classic and unoriginal excuse, stop looking at art that way and draw stuff that you actually care about and finish it. enough with the soulless floating heads and actually put your mind to 1 piece. its literally supposed to be hard if you're new cause if you arent struggling drawing something you probably arent learning shit

[Anonymous No.5136133]

>>5136117
>This looks good to you?
For someone who's only been trying for 5 months? Hell yeah.

>>5136122
>I cant color because I dont have the skill for it
You gain the skill by doing, silly billy.

You sound like you're probably mentally ill. As an artist, that can really give you an edge. Keep going.

[Anonymous No.5136135]

>>5136129
Very well then, I SHALL POST SOMETHING IN A WHILE, im telling you
Its going to look like shit so what do you even gain out of it?
>>5136133
You, what rrsourcrs should I use? What should I even draw? I'll redraw something I like
I cant bear to fail not even at practice and /ic/ hates me
They call me talentless telling me to give up
Ive been trying gesture again for 3 days now and I dont get it

[Anonymous No.5136141]

>>5136135
learn perspective and composition
you got some good looking sketches, its time to make them into something

[Anonymous No.5136142]

>>5136135
looking forward to it

[Anonymous No.5136151]

>>5136141
My humans after gesture, failed again so gathering courage to try again
Face is not realistic because I was afraid to fail but im not skilled at style so it looks bad
Composition? Perspective? I tried Perspective Made Easy but I dont like it, stuck on it
What shpuld I keep and what should I take
>bucci
Dont like it stuck
>vilppu
Dont get it stuck
>eviston
Abandoned
>loomis
Hate it i want to find his grave and piss on it
>keys to drawing
Stuck on chapter 1 again due to failure
>dynamic sketching
Cant get contours right cant GRASP FORM
>draeing on the right side
Stuck since someone fucked up my plane thing

[Anonymous No.5136160]

This guy on beg has been drawing for the same period of time
>>5136136
and i fear hes better, anons praise him and others but not me
>>5136142
>>5136141
See this, got me to learn gesture but there hasnt been a lot of progress
Am i just wasting time? I need to be great or even more
I was the worst attempt on that draw this thread

[Anonymous No.5136162]

holy fuck, it hasn't even been a year yet. I won't even give a (you)

[Anonymous No.5136166]

>>5136162
>holy fuck, it hasn't even been a year yet.
what does that mean? are you calling me bad? why?

[Anonymous No.5136171]

>>5136151
don't read books if you were always bad from learning books
Honestly, dude, most art books are just really good notes that are of no use to someone with no entry point

Go do Brent Eviston's stuff. His Art and Science of drawing is what I'd consider the definitive beginner course. Most beginner courses seem to leave out a lot of information unintentionally but he starts from the ground up.
Erik Olsen's long ass Perspective course is also good. I'm taking it and it's surprising that despite it's length, i feel good that i'm learning something new with every diagram

Don't stress on gesture drawings either. They're done so short you're better off putting them all under your better never to be seen. There's not supposed to be any pressure drawing them. Just go into them focusing on a new concept you just learned

[Anonymous No.5136177]

>>5135554
I would. The question is: am I willing to give up youtube, games that treat me like a rat in a skinner-box, and 4chan?

[Anonymous No.5136179]

>>5136142
Im not confident enough to do a finished piece, not without construction, would you care to input some ideas?

[Anonymous No.5136183]

>>5135885
Was it really necessary to strap his head and legs, too? Hmm.

[Anonymous No.5136199]

>>5136171
I don't remember if I was bad or good at learning from books, I passed so maybe not?
Thanks for the help.

[Anonymous No.5136425]

>>5136055
You know what to do

[Anonymous No.5136435]

>>5136055
open relationship

[Anonymous No.5136437]

>>5136179
dont know what you mean by this, just draw

>>5136160
theres always someone better than you, cope

[Anonymous No.5136458]

>>5136437
Dont think hes that better now that I look at his work

[Anonymous No.5136476]

>>5135554
>want a relationship so bad with someone who will love me unconditional
>worried my drive to make art will dry up if I get into a relationship because I will be so happy I finally found someone
Why is life so tough

[Anonymous No.5136958]

>>5135554
There are no "greats" who were nerds living in a room with a computer and having no relationships. Take any great artist in history and even if they were an extreme recluse, they still had to interact with people to buy their food, and they still lived in countries full of culture that gave them a daily source of inspiration. Completely different from the hellish, sterile modern dystopia that you inhabit.

[Anonymous No.5137030]

>>5135554
>in order to become one of the greats?
You mean that after I die a bunch of slimy faggots take my shit and launder money with it or use it to make "tributes" or "parodies" and leech some money off of it like parasites while I'm dead? To have people appropriate my body of work and inject their retarded shit in it in order to push a narrative? To be the object of post-mortem gossip by worthless idiots who only know how to drive things into the ground? To leave a legacy of skills and teachings that people will use to produce pornographic crud? To get turned into a brand, dumbed down into disposable entertainment? Is this what you mean by being one of the greats?

[Anonymous No.5137133]

>>5136958
interacting with traders to buy food is not “personal relationships”, you stupid nigger
>no culture
what irony, a deluded basement dweller typed that post

[Anonymous No.5137141]

>>5137030
>I lack skill and an audience on purpose because I have integrity

[Anonymous No.5137144]

>>5137141
yeah the grapes are sour, keep coping

[Anonymous No.5137148]

>>5137144
...you’re the one saying you don’t want the grapes because they are sour
what would even be the sour grapes applied to my post

[Anonymous No.5137151]

>>5137148
The fact that I'm not sharing my shit with anyone.

[Anonymous No.5137163]

>>5137151
lol

[Anonymous No.5137310]

>>5137133
>interacting with traders to buy food is not “personal relationships”, you stupid nigger
Yes, it's not, for americans like you.

No one who lived in an actually kind, normal society would even think of writing what you wrote. I cherish every trip to the market or the store, and not because I don't have friends - I do. But it warms the heart to chat a little with the cashier or the seller at the stall, or the grandma selling vegetables on the sidewalk.

You're another example of how no amount of skill will ever help you to create touching art unless you experience a little bit of real life first.

[Anonymous No.5137552]

>>5136113
is this one of those "walk and talk while learning is more effective" things?

[Anonymous No.5137592]

>>5136476
Unconditional love doesn't exist unless your gf is literally crazy or your mom.

No matter how good looking or cool you are, nobody can compete with the novelty of a new and potentially much better partner.
Even Chad has to keep himself in top shape if he wants to retain a Stacy.
Also, Chad facial features + fat = no longer Chad in people's eyes.

[Anonymous No.5137599]

Reminder: fatcels = volcels.
Don't be lazy.

[Anonymous No.5137617]

>>5136055
She's still needy because she knows you're better looking than her or the best catch she could get right now.

And you probably perceive her "neediness" as annoying rather than endearing because either back in your head you know you could do better or because she's actually that needy.

[Anonymous No.5137624]

>>5136055
>>5137617
See: the typical fat chick and the skinny/buff guy relationship.

Just do your thing and never allow her to bring you down. If you allow your needy gf to sabotage your advancement in life, not only you'll be worse off but also she will ironically lose attraction to you because you're no longer "who she throught you were".
Yes, women shot themselves in the foot and rarely learn.

[Anonymous No.5137638]

>>5136055
Tell her to behave and dump her for good if she gets too annoying again.

If you cave in to her demands (death by a thousand cuts) she'll most likely end up dumping you, because "you've changed" (and she doesn't have the brainpower to realize how fucking retarded she is).

[Anonymous No.5137650]

>>5136055
And don't allow her to tempt you to get fat (bitches do this when they're insecure to make less likely that you'll leave her or cheat on her, yet ironically she ends up no longer liking you for it).
t. recovering /fit/izen

[Anonymous No.5137668]

>>5136059
Get an ugly gf.

[Anonymous No.5137993]

>>5135554
If it was like ''hey I saw the future, I know exactly what you did and if you give up on everything you will be one of the greats'' I would. But if it was like "hey, keep on practicing and drop everything and you will certainly be one of the greats'', I would smack his face with some senses.

[Anonymous No.5140448]

>>5136059
im here too, i just dont give enough fucks to post in these kinds of theads

[Anonymous No.5140601]

Lol fuck no, i don't wanna be a autist. obsessed at art get shot by my self is most pathetic thing i know.
Loomis was also not shut in

I wanna be a chad draw well meet people well

[Anonymous No.5140637]

>>5135554
I'll settle for being a good desu

[Anonymous No.5140658]

>Clingy social butterfly gf dumped me 2 months ago because I didn't leave my house to draw
>All my close friends now live thousands of kilometers away from me, rarely speak to them online

It isn't even something for me to consider at this point, and I'm loving it.

[Anonymous No.5141446]

>>5135554
sure I guess. i don't have many important relationships and drawing is my only hobby aside from occasional vidya

[Anonymous No.5141530]

>>5135554
yes. im already beginning to do it. grades are dropping, relationships are becoming rocky, and i no longer find video games enjoyable. im gmi no matter what it takes.