/asg/ - Anime Study General

[Anonymous No.5066783]

Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0
https://youtu.be/t_IODIIYAe0

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Draw copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Japanese Book Collection:
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

/mmg/ - Manga Making General:
>>>/ic/mmg

Previous Thread:
>>5056480

[Anonymous No.5066793]

>studying anime

[Boxman !!Hl5DZnM7v9M No.5066820]

so i used a projector to draw the initial lines of this work on a canvas though in the final product its sightly warped

https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3455798&tags=kawanuma_uotsuri

pic related is the final result in oil paint

[Boxman !!Hl5DZnM7v9M No.5066825]

>>5066820
>https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3455798&tags=kawanuma_uotsuri

[Anonymous No.5066827]

>>5066793
>redlining anon's work

[Anonymous No.5066839]

>>5066820
>painting fetish shit in oil

[Anonymous No.5066871]

>>5066783
can i have advice? bully pls

[Anonymous No.5066935]

>>5066871
I think the right arm/hand is too large.
Right leg should probably be visible.
And the face feels kind of flat..Ear looks not connected.
Also if we are being super picky, two of the fingers are fusing.

[Anonymous No.5066966]

>>5066827
>bullying foxgirls
uncalled for

[Anonymous No.5067030]

>>5066871
biggest issue is the leg, her short and ass indicates that the angle of her legs is slightly from behind but her leg is completely in side view i think you tried to foreshorten the area close to the knee but it looks weird as fuck and her calf being as thick as her leg also the sleeve on her right arm looks stiff

[Anonymous No.5067035]

When do I get to draw anime

[Anonymous No.5067065]

FEH bread now and forever

[Anonymous No.5067071]

>>5066935
>>5067030
much appreciated, i'll keep grinding proportions and anatomy

[Anonymous No.5067074]

>>5066966

[Anonymous No.5067076]

>>5066820
>>5066825
Kek

[Anonymous No.5067083]

Anyone know which chapter that imgur link is talking about in Bakuman?

[Anonymous No.5067122]

>>5067030
how do you approach studying anatomy anon?

[Anonymous No.5067149]

I've been reading Ennead, and good god, what gorgeous art. Fucking Asians and their superior jeans ;_; I'm on my second re-read and I'm still in shock.

[Anonymous No.5067187]

>>5067149
do you pay for it or you read online somewhere? i've been curious about this manhwa but i got not cash.

[Anonymous No.5067275]

>>5067187
It's absolutely worth reading. The art and story are sublime. So far this site has up to chapter 47 in English:
https://mangaowls.com/single/56424/Ennead
Then the rest of it is on here:
https://boylovemh.com/comic/1
The artist is still working on season 2, and fuck, I'm desperate for it. If you re-read it, there are tons of details and reactions that give the panels a whole different weight.

[Anonymous No.5067291]

drawing my favorite character in Houseki no Kuni as a Dakini, i'm little ashamed to say, but their poses (i found as reference) are a little silly... But i don't wanna be disrespectiful, so silly pose it is!

>>5067275
THAAAAANKS~ I'm going to read asap!!!!

[Anonymous No.5067357]

>>5067291
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh switch your legs

[Anonymous No.5067368]

I'm trying to copy and study this rendering.
How do I know what colors to pick when copying?
I end up use the color dropper on the art and just coloring with what i picked up
If I use colors on my own they look weird.

[Anonymous No.5067401]

>>5067357
Dakinis show the pussy not the ass, so it's a no.

[Anonymous No.5067410]

>>5067368
I use the dropper when i want a certain color i know i can't get it myself, then i save it in a palette for when i want another character with that exact same skin color. (I do this for hair color too, but hair color is easier for me to get the colors right myself)

[Anonymous No.5067428]

>>5067368
try to do what the artist did
theres a base skin tone , and like 3-4 colors for the shading and white for lighting

[Anonymous No.5067433]

>>5067428
I really couldn't tell that, thank you.

[Anonymous No.5067438]

>>5067433
also don't forget about hard edges

[Anonymous No.5067538]

Just an eyes study, I still can't seem to place them correctly on the face tho

[Anonymous No.5067545]

Here's for the anon that asked for my brush last thread. Catbox isn't working so I'm using Litter instead.

https://litter.catbox.moe/nyk6ba.sut

[Anonymous No.5067632]

[Anonymous No.5067638]

is it wrong that i always draw the eyes first and then draw the head around it?

[Anonymous No.5067693]

I'm such a fucking failure, I'll never be /int/ much less make a single paid commission.
Why do I bother?
I should've just stuck to video games and anime.

[Anonymous No.5067697]

>>5067638
yes

[Anonymous No.5067711]

>>5067693
Bye

[Anonymous No.5067773]

>>5067638
Many artist i follow do It. I don't know how they have such porportions control. I feel is easier to "draw frame and then add the what supposed to be inside"

[Anonymous No.5067842]

>>5067693
>video games and anime
these will add nothing of value to your life

[Anonymous No.5067854]

>>5065708
what program is that/this?

[Anonymous No.5067856]

>>5067854
Csp pose thingy

[Anonymous No.5067883]

>>5067632

[Anonymous No.5067940]

>>5066820
if you want it 1:1 first project a grid of squares and measure the projected squares. The projector was probably slanted, or the canvas was

[Anonymous No.5068240]

>>5067697
why

[Anonymous No.5068252]

thoughts on tracing? i thought about printing out some pages from settei and various books to go over with tracing paper so i can understand the art better. try to get a feel for underlying shapes and such

[Anonymous No.5068256]

>>5068240
How the hell do oyu know where to put the eyes properly? they need to be in the right spot on the head otherwise they'll look weird or misaligned. Do you just imagine an invisible head while you draw?

[Anonymous No.5068259]

>>5068256
>Do you just imagine an invisible head while you draw?
not him but this is what i used to do

[Anonymous No.5068261]

>>5068256
i imagine the pose/direction first and draw the eyes and then add the rest
same way you would do it with any other method
i just find that if i draw a head first, i find it much harder to make the eyes look right
also i noticed that a lot of japanese artists do this so im not too worried

[Anonymous No.5068303]

>>5067883
thanks

[Anonymous No.5068306]

>>5067538
what are you studying here?

[Anonymous No.5068320]

pixiv doesn't let you like or reply to comments. do people usually comment on their own posts to reply?

[Anonymous No.5068339]

>>5068320
I believe they let you reply nowdays.

[Anonymous No.5068357]

she looks somewhat anorexic and i probably should’ve made the irises larger. i also know my lines are shit

[Anonymous No.5068363]

>>5068357
Your role model is Toriyama right? If so you're doing good

[Anonymous No.5068367]

>>5068363
i actually used an urushihara reference

[Anonymous No.5068371]

>>5068367
Thought it was something like Bulma's hairstyle.

[Anonymous No.5068530]

Real people make me sick, even looking at real life pictures makes me uncomfortable and depresses me to the core. I'd like to think there are people who truly get what I mean around here.

For that reason I feel like it's not possible for me to learn how to truly paint (as in https://boards.4chan.org/ic/thread/5034220)) because my favorite references are either not from life or stylized/anime, which means there's inherently a focus on lines, shapes and structure.
A random artist working off 3DPD pinterest pictures will always have an edge on me because they'll be fed a lightsource and be able to see how light affects all areas of the drawing, whereas I'll be left having to invent one and paint in some kind of low key stylized way.

This was poorly written but it's because I'm still trying to find a process for myself. Thanks for reading. Give me your best.

[Anonymous No.5068540]

>>5067883
I never got that station point/whatever degrees CoV stuff, do Olson or Vandruff go over this?

[Anonymous No.5068548]

>>5068530
Stop watching porn

[Anonymous No.5068552]

Anyone got a good painting guide for achieving the aesthetic in pic related?

[Anonymous No.5068554]

>>5068552
hrb

[Anonymous No.5068580]

>>5068548
? I haven't watched porn in over a decade.

[Anonymous No.5068591]

>>5068530
>Real people make me sick, even looking at real life pictures makes me uncomfortable and depresses me to the core
you'll get over it babby, do your best

[Anonymous No.5068599]

how do i study a piece of art or an artist?
Like is there a method of going about it?

[Anonymous No.5068620]

>>5068599
yeah fell it's forms and create your own landmarks based on it

[Anonymous No.5068638]

>>5068540
I think Olson goes through it, his courses look pretty comprehensive on first glance

[Anonymous No.5068646]

>>5068552
same way you would paint most anything else
hard round brush but skew your colour palette towards pastels
and colour your lineart

[Anonymous No.5068717]

>>5068646
Well yeah its not like I can't reverse engineer the results by eye. I'm mostly wondering if it was something like
>spray paint
>hard eraser
>new layer
>paintbrush
>shadows
>new layer
>paintbrush
>highlights
>new layer
>pen
>color
>soften linework/shadows
Or it was a straight paint/blend repeat from the sketch layer

[Anonymous No.5068819]

Does this look acceptable ? as leather? if you had this , what would you add? first time drawing leather and also using a reference ofc but still hard..

[Anonymous No.5068830]

>>5068819
Add some sharp and intense highlights where the lights hits it the most.
Otherwise just run over it with a low opacity overlay dither/crosshatch brush (provided your canvas is big enough) and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.5068847]

Can somebody help me with a problem I've been having?
How thick is the hair on the skull meant to be?
I saw >>5064333 and there seems to be a width. How much is it normally?
Is it uniform for the whole head including the back of the head or does the width become smaller near the end?

[Anonymous No.5068879]

>>5068847
depends of the style

[Anonymous No.5068881]

>>5068819
No

[Anonymous No.5068892]

>>5068881
alright, thanks

[Anonymous No.5068893]

>>5068830
i will try, thank you anon

[Anonymous No.5068895]

>>5068847
i just do it whatever

[Anonymous No.5068923]

What's the purpose of using this method when the same can be achieved with basic color + shadow (multiply layer)?

[Anonymous No.5068929]

>>5068923
More accurate values and better control of the shadows themselves and easier time rendering than trying to juggle both color and value at the same time.

[Anonymous No.5068953]

Handy hair coloring tutorial

[Anonymous No.5069027]

Referenced this drawing. I'm still only a few months into art. When can I start drawing from imagination? I can copy something pretty well but when I draw from imagination it looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.5069028]

>>5066871
humblebrag alert

[Anonymous No.5069029]

>>5069027
sorry for the giant image

[Anonymous No.5069038]

>>5066783
I haven't been on /ic/ in over a year. Show me your progress from a year ago and now!

[Anonymous No.5069043]

>>5069028
i'm not bragging, i'm beg and i struggled with a lot of things while drawing that piece :c , i'm also ESL so sorry if i misundertood what you were trying to say

[Anonymous No.5069058]

>so bored I started to draw anime girls in the toilet paper roll

[Anonymous No.5069081]

>>5068819
https://online-courses.club/anatomy-of-clothing-2019-by-ron-lemen/

[Anonymous No.5069090]

Can someone help explain this?

I do not understand japanese or what this concept is trying to teach.

[Anonymous No.5069099]

>>5069090
I don't understand japanese but obviously explaining how he uses grayscale in that image

[Anonymous No.5069108]

>>5069090
It's about grey tones in web manga.
Skin shadows: 10% (below 10% is also ok)
Light colours: 20%
Light colours' shadows: 30%
Dark colours: 50%
Dark colours' shadows: 60%
Black: 70% (above 80% is also ok)

[Anonymous No.5069136]

>>5069043
it's still humblebrag you colossal retard, if you honestly think you're /beg/ you spend WAY too much time here believing all the baseless hate and criticism. humblebrag, humblebrag as fuck. you aren't remotely fucking beg.

[Anonymous No.5069140]

>>5067030
retarded criticism
>>5067122
by approaching it, jfc read a book and draw it's not rocket science

[Anonymous No.5069149]

>>5069028
>>5069136
How insecure do you have to be to think anything above your own level is somehow magically out of /beg/?

[Anonymous No.5069151]

>>5066825
Te olvidaste que no estas en voxed.

[Anonymous No.5069160]

>>5069149
How jaded and miserable do you have to be to look at >>5066871 and think the artist is a beginner? Very, considering your only "logic" is anyone who disagrees with you is a bad artist. That guy is easily out of beg, your problem is your standards are completely distorted because you spend 24/7 on a crab bucket board that tells everyone they're a hopeless sack of shit until they making flawless masterpieces

[Anonymous No.5069175]

>>5069160
>considering your only "logic" is anyone who disagrees with you is a bad artist.
pyw, I am being very sincere when I say I will admit I'm completely wrong if your art is above their level.

[Anonymous No.5069198]

>>5069175
I doubt it, I know how the pyw game goes

[Anonymous No.5069211]

>>5069160
>>5069136
>>5069028
lol you are soooooo angry hahahahaha

[Anonymous No.5069282]

Hello, I consider these my best drawings, what level would you place me at?
Mid /beg/?
High /beg/?
Low /int/?
What should I do to improve?
I'm focusing on improving my coloring and perspective now.

I learnt all the muscles and bones from the book, anatomy for sculptors. Now it's just a matter of not messing up when I do my anatomy when I draw.

I've read through anatomy for sculpters, fun with a pencil, figure drawing for all it's worth, perspective made easy, and figure drawing and invention.
I'm currently reading through color and light by james gurney.
Is there anything else I should read?

[Anonymous No.5069285]

>>5069282
*figure drawing design and invention

[Anonymous No.5069291]

>>5069282
High beg maybe
Things are starting to look good but there's still an awkwardness in every drawing

[Anonymous No.5069300]

>>5069282
You remind me of Lefty

[Anonymous No.5069301]

>>5069291
What should I be focusing on?
How do I get rid of this awkwardness as you put it.
Any book or course recommendations?
I'm willing to try anything really.

[Anonymous No.5069305]

>>5069301
dunno lol draw more

[Anonymous No.5069307]

>>5069301
>How do I get rid of this awkwardness as you put it.
Stop copying anime, you don't seem to understand the underlying form behind the moeblob and purely use intuition from what you've attained from copy instead of drawing with form.

[Anonymous No.5069312]

>>5069282
Did you copy all those or are they your own designs?

[Anonymous No.5069314]

>>5069090
He's using the same brush with different opacities

[Anonymous No.5069316]

>>5069312
These are characters that exist, but no I didn't copy them from a drawing. I did reference some things though like poses.

>>5069307
I don't copy anime. I draw real bodies and stick anime heads on them. Am I doing that wrong?
What am I meant to do?

[Anonymous No.5069320]

>>5069301
You should probably focus on gesture more
I see you apply concepts such as contrapposto, but it feels like you use them as tools to fix the stiffness of your figures, rather than to perceive it as a natural gesture of the human body language.
This is probably where the awkwardness comes from, you can't find any glaring error, because it has all the formulae for dynamism, but it is not natural either.

[Anonymous No.5069322]

>>5069320
no

[Anonymous No.5069325]

>>5069316
Okay I asked to get a better perspective of your skill level. Don't listen to the other faggots here they always try to bring other people down. Maybe it helps people not get complacent as the goal is to continue growing. But if I'm being honest your shit is way better than half of what's on danbooru.
Try working on making your poses unique and dynamic!

[Anonymous No.5069331]

>>5069325
>your shit is way better than half of what's on danbooru
You can't be this delusional

[Anonymous No.5069333]

>>5069331
Have you even been to danbooru?

[Anonymous No.5069335]

>>5069320
I started doing croquis nearly everyday with manga materials after somebody mentioned that my poses look stiff.
This is the video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xu3XwEYClc&list=PLlZ4N2OWHomvpm4g9dExqjTf2xy1wWYYM&index=8
I started implementing contrapposto and drawing what I see. Am I meant to not copy poses exaclty?
Do I add more gesture to a pose than what I see?
Do you know any good videos about gesture?
I just copied the proko tutorial on it.

[Anonymous No.5069336]

>>5069333
Yes, have you?

[Anonymous No.5069343]

>>5069335
The poses look fine enough, gesture is a meme
Focus on proportions.

[Anonymous No.5069351]

>>5069343
I try my best to draw what I see, are my proportions that bad?

[Anonymous No.5069368]

>>5069335
It is better to push and exaggerate the poses more than what you see. You will likely to stiffen up your figures the more you construct them anyway.
I don't watch much videos about gesture so I can't reccomend, but I like Vilppu approach, you don't have to study from him if you don't like, because gesture is a rather personnal and intuitive subject, it varies from person to person, as you practice gesture you will likely develop the most natural method to you.

[Anonymous No.5069384]

My stupid animuus are too anatomically correct, I got no soul

[Anonymous No.5069395]

>>5069368
alright thanks, I'll work on gesture.

[Anonymous No.5069403]

anyone got elf ear references?

[Anonymous No.5069416]

>>5069282
low int, get the hell out of assg unless you want to be graded by people who don't know what they're talking about

[Anonymous No.5069423]

Hello, is this where I come to be graded by people who don't draw?

[Anonymous No.5069436]

>>5069282
Your linework is /int/ but your colours and values are /beg/. Work on these. And fixing your hands and clothing folds will go a long way to making it look snappier.

Easiest way to fix colours is to study from anime artists that have great colouration. I also recommend speedreading gurney's light and colour when you start drawing backgrounds, it should only take like 2 hours if you read super fast and take a few notes on important things. Easiest way to fix values is to understand how to break things down into values which is covered wonderfully in the Craig Mullins' schoolism course. If you're short on time you can watch only the values part and ignore the rest.

[Anonymous No.5069440]

>>5068306
Moslty just learning how to do anime eyes from memory, building a mental library and all that

[Anonymous No.5069443]

>>5069436
I'll work on my hands and clothing, I really suck at the later.
I was already reading through gurney's light and colour, I'll just speed read it like you said.
Also thank you for the video course suggestion.

[Anonymous No.5069446]

>>5069282
>what level would you place me at
/lsg/

[Anonymous No.5069518]

Practicing coomer art, any feedback would be appreciated. Also if someone can redline it it will be super useful because I can start seeing the error in my ways

[Anonymous No.5069577]

>>5069518
Sarada is skinny, did you mean to give her an thick adult body?
If so never mind.

[Anonymous No.5069588]

Fix for cracked CSP EX not being able to go past 24 frames.
>>5069553
=
>>5069443
I mean if you're taking the time to go through it, it's okay as well but I found taking brief notes and practicing the concepts to be more useful than reading it for extended periods of time

[Anonymous No.5069589]

>>5069577
Yes. My concerns are more about the anatomy and perspective, not so much about the body type. Still, thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.5069692]

>>5069518
The left leg kinda looks longer than the other, I'd get if they were on different planes, left was more backward or even there was an elevation but there doesn't seem to be. Try doing that pose on your own with both feet parallel to another, you can't.

[Anonymous No.5069867]

Asanagi study

[Anonymous No.5069906]

>>5069867
i really like youre shading work. her face and hair sorta look like theyre in two different perspectives tho.

[Anonymous No.5069918]

>can draw copies
>can't draw my own sketches
FUCK

[Anonymous No.5069923]

>>5069918
how long have you been drawing

[Anonymous No.5069938]

Fucking help, why can't I find the construction for this head? The angle is fucking weird and even though I draw my lines through it, the base construction looks super off. Can any anon help enlighten me in what I'm doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.5069960]

>>5069938
You're reading the angle wrong, the horizontal lines need to be curving down, not up.

[Anonymous No.5069967]

>>5069923
a year and a half

[Anonymous No.5069996]

>>5068819
more contrast/hard edges

[Anonymous No.5070013]

>>5069960
But the eyes seem to be curving up the right side of the face

[Anonymous No.5070015]

>>5069938
Who is this?

[Anonymous No.5070021]

>>5070015
Seishoujo, my favorite illustrator when it comes to body type and rendering.

[Anonymous No.5070038]

>>5070013
The face is angled upwards, when you draw the lines like you did it implies the face is angled downwards.

[Anonymous No.5070069]

>>5070038
Fuck, thank you anon.

I think there's no getting around it, I need to actually sit down and learn perspective if I want to improve. Are there any resources you recommend for this, I know Drawabox, but that seems very controversial around here and gets treated as a meme. Or even, just any good sources or ways to grind out head construction?

[Anonymous No.5070150]

>>5070021
Thank you

[Anonymous No.5070201]

>>5069282
I think you should use more expressions for the eyes, so far every girl has the same big round eyes type, which I can let it pass because they are all are genki lolis, but try to give them more variation.

[Anonymous No.5070209]

I’ve been grinding anime heads for a while now and a done a bit of studying my favorite for around 4 months but my gains aren’t what I am expecting. What am I doing wrong?

[Anonymous No.5070215]

>>5070209
rofl holy shit, the 4 months /beg/ anon? You were grinding ANIME HEADS for 4 months instead of actually studying from life, and you wonder why you're not gaining? Of course.

Actually study from real life, then come back to anime. That's the entire reason you feel like you're stagnating.

[Anonymous No.5070338]

>>5070209
grinding does nothing, anon. challenging yourself and actually studying what makes you bad are where you find gains. you spent 4 months afraid of making a bad drawing.

[Anonymous No.5070365]

>>5070069
https://youtu.be/2T7cDY7YDsg

not that anon, but watch this. yes, ALL of it. you fucked up because you didn’t look at the ear to find the tilt of the head.

[Anonymous No.5070419]

>>5070365
o shit I was just about to start the Huston figure drawing course that someone uploaded with a mega a few weeks back. You a god, thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.5070428]

>>5070069
Redline anon here, I personally find Manga Material's channel really helpful. She has some videos regarding perspective specifically as well that I recommend. This one could help you with heads. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmKFuJ3bh74
I'd suggest binging all of their videos though, they give lots of good tips that will help you even if you just remember it in the back of your mind.

[Anonymous No.5070475]

>>5069867

[Anonymous No.5070486]

>>5069967
>>5069923
Any advice on how to get better at original work?

[Anonymous No.5070490]

>>5070486
practice

[Anonymous No.5070611]

christmas riko

[Anonymous No.5070618]

christmas riko

[Anonymous No.5070619]

christmas rikOo

[Anonymous No.5070625]

>>5070619

[Anonymous No.5070628]

>>5070625
LOL I FORGOT

[Anonymous No.5070632]

>>5066783
My doc prescribed me adderall yesterday. Now I draw fast as fuck. Thanks doctor.

[Anonymous No.5070636]

>>5070625
>>5070628

[Anonymous No.5070638]

>>5070490
I'm being serious

[Anonymous No.5070639]

>>5070638
so is he

[Anonymous No.5070640]

>>5070611
>>5070618
>>5070619
>>5070625
>>5070628
>>5070636
jesus christ anon

[Anonymous No.5070644]

>>5070638
just draw

[Anonymous No.5070645]

>>5070640
amnesia sucks

[Anonymous No.5070646]

>>5070640
you didn't saw nothing

[Anonymous No.5070647]

>>5068530
Get off the internet.

[Anonymous No.5070648]

>>5069282
pedo level
wouldn't be surprised if you were referencing pedoshit considering your previous posts

[Anonymous No.5070656]

>>5070648
I hope you realize that only makes us like his work even more, it's not a derogatory statement like on your twatter where you try to cancel someone it doesn't work here.

[Anonymous No.5070661]

>>5070656
loli =/= pedo you sick faggot

[Anonymous No.5070663]

>>5070656
i really liked this girl

[Anonymous No.5070664]

>>5070661
No, it's not so stop using buzzwords that you don't even know the meaning of.

[Anonymous No.5070668]

>>5070661
>>5070663
the duality of men

[Anonymous No.5070673]

>>5070663
That faggot is clearly copying off Ishikei he needs to stop lying like a little shit it's not bad that he went and copied it's when he won't admit it and lie about it.

[Anonymous No.5070677]

>>5070673
then give us a proof

[Anonymous No.5070680]

>>5070677
give us a proof then
fix'd

[Anonymous No.5070702]

loli is based but tracing pedoshit means you deserve the rope.
that spic has posted his references before and theyre obviously of dubious origin

[Anonymous No.5070703]

>>5070702
Why is it wrong to trace cute girls spreading their asses?

[Anonymous No.5070710]

>>5070703
Can you at least try to be a little more subtle?

[Anonymous No.5070723]

>>5070710
kek

[Anonymous No.5070746]

>>5068357
Vary your line weight more and remember to fill in the dark spaces (shadows, eyelashes, etc). The form is there, it just isn't very detailed and the linework is bad.

[Anonymous No.5070792]

>>5070644
>>5070639
>>5070490
Seriously, What are some practice methods to get better at making original content?

[Anonymous No.5070893]

>>5070792
>draw something original
>figure out something specific that went wrong along the way
>do some studies on that specific thing
>repeat

[Anonymous No.5070910]

>>5070792
just draw

[Anonymous No.5070922]

>>5070792
bro

[Anonymous No.5071012]

Been doing art since before I could actually remember (maybe 3-4). 36 years talking here:

The more you draw the more you can draw.

That’s it.

[Anonymous No.5071017]

maybe this goes to /sqt/ but anyway...
Do you have the high resolution of these 2 related pics?

[Anonymous No.5071022]

>>5071017

[Anonymous No.5071043]

help me pls

[Anonymous No.5071055]

>>5071012
pyw

[Anonymous No.5071139]

>>5071017
I don't know where I've saved the 2nd page, but at least, here's the first one.

[Anonymous No.5071151]

>>5071139

[Anonymous No.5071174]

>>5071139
>>5071151
Thanks bro!
I spent hours searching
really, thanks

[Anonymous No.5071205]

>>5071043
You're probably missing a bit of the head at the ear right?
Rest looks fine though in my opinion?

[Anonymous No.5071229]

>>5071043
needs more loomis

[Anonymous No.5071251]

>>5071043
what're you studying? Sorry, I know this isn't helpful but I'm also looking to draw women of the ... petite variety

[Anonymous No.5071263]

>>5070365
Been going through this lesson now. Holy shit this guy has hacks.

[Anonymous No.5071274]

>>5071263

[Anonymous No.5071307]

>>5066783
>Error, this is a private paste. If this is your private paste, please login to Pastebin first.

[Anonymous No.5071326]

>>5071307
Damn, it's giving me this. What else could I use?

[Anonymous No.5071351]

>>5071326

[Anonymous No.5071408]

>>5071351
Yes I am. I get hit with spam filter too for that site but we'll try this as a work around: https://pastebin.com/KJM0cgMu

[Anonymous No.5071431]

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZLrPSGAnNY
>lineart is a waste of time
Why?

[Anonymous No.5071435]

>>5066783
give me anime girlu reference to draw, ill give it an hr for me to try to draw. im in day 2... kinda.

[Anonymous No.5071458]

>>5070673
I've never heard that referencing other artist's work is a bad thing.
I did a similar style to his and I did reference him I admit that but I didn't out right copy his art style, his has many tones of shading and has more lighting angles coming from all sorts of directions and he doesn't use colored lights like I did, his eyes are also very different from mine and he does his hair differently.

Just because it's similar doesn't mean I outright copied his style.

[Anonymous No.5071465]

>>5071458
>I did a similar style
>I didn't copy his art style
>Paints the lips exactly the way the other artist does them
You want to know what really gave it way? It was the lips, it's one of his unique traits that you may either recognize it belongs to him or a discounted clone version which is what you're trying to become. Stop making up excuses and admit the reason why people are telling you about how your figures especially the faces do not look organic is because you heavily rely on referencing and don't know the how and why behind the stylized forms and where they originate from.

[Anonymous No.5071477]

what style u tryin to copy

[Anonymous No.5071491]

>>5071477
None. I'm just becoming amalgam of every artist I like by copying their works little by little from my memory.

[Anonymous No.5071494]

>>5071465
>See something another artist does well
>Oh cool I'll incorporate into my own work and improve myself as an artist
I don't see the problem with this.
I really do not.
I'm not tracing.

I used to make up my own shit and that looked weird so I stopped that, people even on /ic/ told me here to just copy other artists since I sucked so fucking much, and I still do.

I liked how he does realistic rendering so I followed what he did and did things similar to him, mainly the rendering on the body including the lips. I didn't go too much into rendering like him, though and yes I 100% admit that. I don't know what you want from me. I never said that I didn't reference his art not once..

Are you tell me not to copy and reference things that other better artists do and put them into my work? I hear people tell me to always copy others better than you. Kienan Lafferty made a video showing how he literally steals shit of off others despite being as good as he is and he encouraged me and others to do the same thing. Copying rendering, styles, effects and so on.
Are you telling me that they're all fucking wrong? There's tons of videos just like it.

If you honestly are telling me something else, and I'm just going off on a tangent, I'm really sorry but I genuinely do not understand what you are trying to incriminate me for.

I'm not a skilled artist that can make up unique stuff on the go, in fact I fucking suck at it, I don't know what looks good. Instead, I take inspiration, copy and make my own stuff using other better artist's works.

Isn't that what I'm supposed to do?
I have no style at all, so I copy and reference others.

>don't know the how and why behind the stylized forms and where they originate from.
I draw skulls or loomis heads morph them into anime heads, that's what I've always done. If I'm doing that wrong or you know a better way please tell me.

[Anonymous No.5071966]

>>5068540
vandruff goes over it in his 3rd video

[Anonymous No.5072259]

>>5071477

[Anonymous No.5072291]

Are there any good patreons or courses that are anime relayed to buy or subscribe to?

[Anonymous No.5072306]

Ref:

[Anonymous No.5072308]

>>5072306
My study

[Anonymous No.5072328]

>>5072308
>studying with both the ref and drawing sideways
the absolute madman

[Anonymous No.5072337]

>>5071494
Keep copying artists anon. Copy every single detail down, you’re actually not copying enough. When you look at other artists you’ll see what kinds of different line qualities, shading style, clothing wrinkles and body proportions you like. Then you copy every single thing of that one artist you like except for the few details that you don’t like about his art. Fuck individuality, begs shouldn’t be as arrogant to try and develop one.

[Anonymous No.5072341]

>>5072328
Looks normal to me. I’m on mobile

[Anonymous No.5072345]

>>5071494
Don't listen to the crab, copy the artists you like. It's even encouraged by the professional mangaka in the OP.

[Anonymous No.5072348]

>>5072306
source?

[Anonymous No.5072355]

>>5072348
It’s DS “Japanese letters after it”
Just use a text extraction website and search him up.

[Anonymous No.5072356]

>>5072355
I took a picture of a book, not a screen by the way.

[Anonymous No.5072357]

>>5072355
DSマイル
>wans to draw anime but cant read

[Anonymous No.5072368]

>>5072357
Good job anon! You used a text extraction site correctly

[Anonymous No.5072389]

>>5072355
>>5072306
Is it this artist?
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/795196

[Anonymous No.5072394]

>>5072355
bro u shave ur legs? that's kinda...

[Anonymous No.5072410]

>>5072389
Yup! Huh he sure improved a bit since the book was published 3 years ago

[Anonymous No.5072420]

>>5072308
Try drawing bigger. The originals are almost always at least 1/4 larger than what gets printed in art books and manga. Its hard to do tiny little faces, especially in pencil, but the downside is that its harder to get clean lines.

[Anonymous No.5072584]

>>5072420
you were 100% right, i wish I made the sketch a lot bigger because inking it was a total pain in the ass and theres splotchy white spots all over since I tried to cover mistakes and shaky lines. Thanks anon I’ll keep that in mind

[Anonymous No.5072605]

Any mistakes?
I want to clean it up and color it

[Anonymous No.5072621]

Posemaniacs is so good I wish it didn't run on flash..

[Anonymous No.5072652]

>>5072621
What's wrong with flash?
If you want you can download it to do it without going to the site.

[Anonymous No.5072662]

>>5072652
Doesn't run on my default browser so I got to open up a secondary one. And for some reason it fucks with my GPU not sure why.
You can download it? Where is that option on the website?

[Anonymous No.5072677]

>>5072605
are you the guy that is always saying that he knows or rather studied anatomy and was done with anatomy for sculptors? because this is some day one beg mistakes if not then please do study that but you really need to learn how to see the forms and masses, the lesson in draw abox about doing organic dissections is really good for that.

[Anonymous No.5072766]

uhhh?

[Anonymous No.5072781]

>>5072652
Flash is going to be discontinued in like two weeks. Hopefully someone makes an opensource version.

[Anonymous No.5072804]

>>5072781
I'm not good with tech shit, if it will be discontinued, will I still be able to access the website with the latest flash version?

[Anonymous No.5072833]

>>5072804
Probably, but there will never be another update.

[Anonymous No.5072845]

>anime study general
>all pictures posted are stills referencing either manga or illustrations
>no one actually studying animation.
Bit of a misnomer title, innit.

[Anonymous No.5072862]

>>5066820
you posted this like 1 year ago

[Anonymous No.5072873]

>>5071251
i have them all in one picture, but it's all traced

>>5071229
b-based

>>5071205
oh i was too obsessed with all those muscles, thanks

[Anonymous No.5072876]

>>5072873
WHERE IS MY PIC REEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.5072926]

>>5072876
>2 right hands

[Anonymous No.5072953]

>>5072926

[Anonymous No.5072971]

>>5071431
he's saying that doing a full finished lineart on your figure skeleton is a waste of time since you're gonna cover it with clothes in the final drawing anyways; its just a sketch for planning

[Anonymous No.5073020]

what are the thing's on these arms (mona from genshin)?
Trying to draw them but I don't understand the form, they feel inconsistent between pictures, especially bottom left

[Anonymous No.5073023]

>>5072677
Thank you, I drew this without reference so I sort of fucked up hard.

[Anonymous No.5073025]

>>5073020
retarded looking sleeves, you can download there models on the official website

[Anonymous No.5073027]

>>5072876
Lefty?

[Anonymous No.5073034]

>>5072662
>>5072781
>>5072804
>>5072833
Here's the link to the swf
http://www.posemaniacs.com/pose/thirtysecond.swf
You can google how to play swf files

[Anonymous No.5073046]

>>5072677>>5073023

Also this was what I had in mine when I drew her.
Does it really look day one /beg/ level? I really thought that I gotten the anatomy right

[Anonymous No.5073063]

>doing study of this pic
>realize she has 6 fingers
I won't be able to fap to it again....

[Anonymous No.5073083]

>>5073063

[Anonymous No.5073092]

>>5073083
>>5073063
well? fix it then

[Anonymous No.5073145]

>>5073083
her tits are coming out of her stomach

[Anonymous No.5073166]

>>5073046
yeah it's gigabeg tier, you are disregarding the mass of every form to fit your symbol drawing this is literally drawing what you think how it looks like rather than thinking how it ''should'' look like, the arms aside from looking like ribbon bands are bended in front view(left) which is impossible unless she has an arm like this( blue), her chin is over his shoulder.... if you take that the dude is not bending over and shes not even completely at his side she must have a fucking long neck to cover that gap between their bodies. All of this looks really unatural and stiff not to mention the horrendous anatomical mistakes... yikes.

[Anonymous No.5073179]

>>5073166
Ok thank you, how can I fix this and avoid this in the future?
I really don't know how to avoid doing this.
People told me to learn anatomy so I just learnt proportions and all the muscles and bones in the body that I could.
Clearly learning muscles, proportions and bones didn't fix this, and I'm still my art is day one /beg/ tier.
How do I really fix this?

[Anonymous No.5073188]

>>5073179
Start thinking about things in 3D, try to draw the the same poses in various angles. Try using more references.

[Anonymous No.5073199]

>>5073188
I did try, I put wrapping lines around it, I don't know how to think in 3D withough putting countour lines on it.
I tried fixing it up like you sugested, her neck was too long moved up her shoulders, though it's kinda hard to see from the hair.
Does it look kinda better better?

[Anonymous No.5073200]

>>5073063
extra finger for your butthole
>>5073179
not that anon. did you draw >>5073046 ?
if so, you clearly have not learnt muscles, proportions, and anatomy well enough. like, at all.

>>5073199
here for example. if you've learnt anatomy and proportions, tell me - his back is facing us and her arm is wrapped around it, so why is her hand that is splayed across his back smaller than the hand on his arm (which is going into the screen, and therefore should be the smaller of the two)?

[Anonymous No.5073203]

>>5067035
Right now!

[Anonymous No.5073206]

>>5067035
Not right now

[Anonymous No.5073222]

>>5073200
Right i forgot to foreshorten my bad, thanks for telling me.

Still I don't know what to tell you, I went through anatomy for sculptors and learnt all the muscles and bones, and revise them every couple of days. I even made notes and can easily just show you them.
I even do croquis frequently to draw the muscles and joints in their proper place in varying poses but I still suck.

I just don't know how to apply it I guess.

[Anonymous No.5073226]

i feel like any time wasted not drawing or studying drawing is bad
i have done nothing but draw or study/breakdown examples for a week straight every day as much as i can each day with minimal breaks
it's sad but also good

[Anonymous No.5073228]

>>5073222
can i see an example of your notes/studies of anat for sculpts then

[Anonymous No.5073237]

>>5073200
Here's a bunch of anatomy notes sorry if there are duplicates.
I basically deconstruct, label muslces, try posing from different angles etc. I do it until I can do it from memory.
If there's a more effective way to do this please do tell me.
I really want to improve.
Sorry if it's hard to read btw, I had to shrink them down.

[Anonymous No.5073238]

>>5073237
meant to quote>>5073228

[Anonymous No.5073292]

>>5073238
>>5073237
gonna be honest i don't think learning the individual muscles to that degree of precision is actually necessary or beneficial at this level, when you clearly can't draw the overall shapes/forms. that or you're just doing it very inefficiently.
here fpr example, top left, you are clearly still symbol drawing the neck and surrounding area, and even if you have the muscle groups laid out - what does it matter if you know how to chunk it but dont know how to draw the shapes?

you have the muscles memorised. ok, great. but does that even apply when you draw things? some of the legs have clodhopper feet with ankles as wide as the calves. iguess its also an issue of bad stylisation. and learning attractive stylisation is probably less of an issue of learning every muscle group.

idk, dude. i know thats kind of vague and id like to be able to help more, but i just dont really understand how you go through this many anatomy studies without applying it.

have you put time into learning stylised anatomy? realism and complex musculature and whatever dont get translated in a 1:1 ratio.

[Anonymous No.5073319]

>>5073292
>have you put time into learning stylised anatomy?
No? I just try to copy real life as much as possible when drawing.
How do I do that?
Is there a book or guide on it?

[Anonymous No.5073327]

>>5073319
>how do I do that?
By copying other artists

[Anonymous No.5073330]

>>5073319
you dont learn from anime even though youre...in the asg? and probably want to draw in a weeby style ? what

while learning realistic proportions is useful i think you do have to learn how to stylise because for example look at the drawing above. i cant tell if youre anime for regular anime or more loli-head size but either way you have to size the limbs appropriately, not just blow up the head size and call it a day yknow?

okay, if you try to copy real life, do you have any realism drawings that i can see? original/non study ideally, but studies work too. also how long have you been drawing for

also yeah look at other artists and understand and copy and take what you like, i dont know if theres a reccd book or guide although i guess you could follow individual artists 'how to draw' tutorials lmao

[Anonymous No.5073371]

i can't.

[Anonymous No.5073445]

>>5073330
I'm actually outside now, I don't have my drawings with me but what I normally always did was just draw real people and stick anime heads on them.
I think that's what /a/ said to do so I just stuck with it.
I'll try to copy anime from now on and do idealistic proportions and parts.
Also for 3 years, I've been drawing.

[Anonymous No.5073449]

>>5073237
Argh...! Form... Not... Felt...!!

[Anonymous No.5073650]

How do i copy a artstyle?

i wanna copy SAO style of drawing

[Anonymous No.5073785]

crosshatching fun..

[Anonymous No.5074358]

I love drawing crazy bitches so much. I don't even know why.

[Anonymous No.5074401]

After going through Marco Bucci's Understanding Head, I can finally draw a decent looking anime girl head. I think it's worth it to try and draw faces of real people. The knowledge gained from it turned out to be very valuable for me.

[Anonymous No.5074450]

>>5074401
study fundies and from real life applies to all drawing? who would have guessed

[Anonymous No.5074483]

>>5074401
head is smooshed

[Anonymous No.5074514]

>>5073445
Coud you please upload your gesture drawings practice? I'm really curious

[Anonymous No.5074526]

>>5074401
>I can finally draw a decent looking anime girl head

[Anonymous No.5074529]

>>5072368
imagine thinking it takes more than a day or two to learn kana

[Anonymous No.5074531]

>>5072845

[Anonymous No.5074664]

>>5073034
Seems to be stuck on loading for me. I downloaded "Flash Player content debugger" from adobes website to run it.

[Anonymous No.5074713]

>>5074401
You need this anon
https://online-courses.club/portraiture-facial-anatomy/

[Anonymous No.5074745]

>>5073237
stop using the airbrush for everything

[Anonymous No.5075026]

>>5074483
Smooshed? What do you mean? The head is flat looking?
>>5074713
I have gone through this course once. Maybe I might go through it again. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.5075074]

>>5074664
Go to control>Play

[Anonymous No.5075077]

>>5075074
>>5074664
or press CTRL+ENTER

[Anonymous No.5075080]

>>5075026
look closely at the cheeks in the original artwork

[Anonymous No.5075087]

>>5075074
>>5075077
>>5074664
Try this player, Flash Player content debugger doesn't seem to work
http://www.softsea.com/download/SWF-File-Player.html

[Anonymous No.5075134]

>>5075080
Alright thanks so much

[Anonymous No.5075332]

Any tips for drawing female eyelashes?

[Anonymous No.5075520]

>>5075087
thank you anon now it works ^^

[Anonymous No.5075626]

>>5073330
>anon copies anime
>bitch at him for not drawing from life
>anon draws from life
>bitch at him for not copying anime
you just can't win

[Anonymous No.5075771]

how do i know what idealistic stylised proportions for anime limbs and body parts are?
Do I just copy others?
Is there a good reference or guide for it?

[Anonymous No.5075775]

>>5074514
Sorry, I didn't see this post.
I don't really do gesture drawings, if I said I did I apologise. I do timed croquis though but I delete them after wards. They just look bad most of the time. This is one of the more earlier ones that I didn't thankfully delete.
If I'm doing something wrong feel free to tell me I'm eager to improve. I'll try anything.

[Anonymous No.5075825]

>>5075074
>>5075077
Seems to only get me to the countdown no images popped up.

>>5075087
This one worked. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.5075835]

>>5067883
>>5067632
i tried fixing it up but i don't think that i can fixe up the skewered form unless i get rid of the whole bench and do it from scratch. Sorry

[Anonymous No.5075840]

>>5075835
ok apply it to new piece then

[Anonymous No.5075842]

crit please?

[Anonymous No.5075892]

Is there a translation of date naoto's deconstruction illustrated?

[Anonymous No.5075901]

Requesting Juna from The legend of heroes Trails of cold steel possesed by ishmelga
(guy to the right is possesed)

[Anonymous No.5075914]

>>5075901
Wrong thread

[Anonymous No.5075943]

>>5075914
Could you direct me to the correct one?
I couldn't find it anywhere

[Anonymous No.5076080]

>>5074401
Yeah well you did not learn anything at all.
You are supposed to be good at copying without even having a proper understanding of anatomy.
If you want to get better at drawing Anime, copy a bunch of it to get a grasp of its line design, line quality
and basic shapes. If you want to get better at drawing faces overall (not just anime faces), study the whole head anatomy.

Don't follow guides to end up copying basic flat shit.
You are just a beginner so focus on being able to copy as accurate as possible from anime/manga first.
After you have done a fair amount of successful copies; switch to perspective, then to gesture and anatomy.
After following a proper study plan you will be able to combine what you learned and craft a proper illustration.


Take a proper look at the copy you posted: you drew spikes where there shouldn't be, the same with curves and
you didn't consider the spacing at all. Without mentioning that you don't understand form and proportions at all.
Don't make half-assed copies, make proper copies; otherwise you won't learn anything.

[Anonymous No.5076088]

>>5073650
https://youtu.be/oMWzv87nCIk

[Anonymous No.5076102]

Anyone know works that have this kinda loose squiggly quality found in some of Yuasa's works? I need more references.

[Anonymous No.5076131]

>>5067883
Where did you learn this?

[Anonymous No.5076348]

>>5076131
>>5075835
Drawing Database lectures
1point:
https://youtu.be/WRxEz3naJPQ
2point:
https://youtu.be/F2OdOPfLYeE
You kinda have to watch other videos in the series for context though

I had to reverse engineer the perspective from the image. This is not the proper way to do it, you should plan the perspective beforehand

I approximated where your leftvp and rightvp was, giving me the horizon line. the centre of the COV is expected to lie somewhere along that horizon line (since it's 2pt). but I assumed that the centre of COV is along the midline of the image frame.

At this stage, the size of COV is still undefined, only its centre is defined. but the leftvp, rightvp and centre of COV allows us to triangulate the Stationpoint; the stationpoint is somewhere vertically below the centre of COV, and there is a 90deg relationship between the leftvp and rightvp at the stationpoint. (this relationship is covered in 2point video)

once the stationpoint is established, you can draw 2 lines offset 30deg on both sides of the vertical. where those lines meet the horizonline is where the COV intersects. then draw a circle that intersects both points. (this part is covered in the start of the 1pt video)
(1/2)

[Anonymous No.5076355]

>>5076348
>>5076131
(2/2)

A proper order to make your image is to plan perspective beforehand
>establish dimensions of image
>establish horizonline in image
>overlay a circle ontop, the centre of the circle should be on the horizonline and ideally midline of image frame. This will be your cone of vision, size it so it covers most of the image, not necessarily all (you can leave corners slightly distorted like >>5067883).
>using the points where the circle intersects with the horizonline and knowing that the stationpoint is directly vertical from the centre of vision, you can
find the stationpoint (reverse of the videos)
>in 2 point, you pick an arbitrary first vanishing point (left or right)
>then find the complementing 90 degree vanishing point by taking a right angle along the line between stationpoint and first vanishing point (as in 2pt video)

When the horizon line is high in the image like in >>5067632, it also brings the COV up, leaving a lot of image distorted outside COV.
You can solve this, by
>making COV larger by moving the stationpoint further down and vanishing points further apart
>or move image so it fits better in COV, i.e. move the horizonline down with respect to image, which is what I did >>5067883
>or change to a 3 point perspective, where COV is not fixed on the horizonline, COV can move up or down (covered in the other videos in the series)

[Anonymous No.5076463]

>>5067368
because you don't just copy colors, it's obvious you should first learn how to even color, or rather value, light and rendering

[Anonymous No.5076465]

>>5067693
>I should've just stuck to video games and anime.
it's like you're not doing that already

[Anonymous No.5076495]

>OP pad has nearly 140 artbooks in one link and 65+ in the other

Are there any of these that would be recommended as immediate go-to's over the others, or should I just start queuing the things up and hope I work my through them all eventually?

[Anonymous No.5076577]

>>5075943
He meant wrong board.

[Anonymous No.5076634]

>>5076577
Sorry, do you know in which board can I post this?

[Anonymous No.5076810]

Anyone got some good guide for inking hair?
Something like pic related.
Not sure how to do it.

[Anonymous No.5076962]

>>5076355
>>5076348
I pretty much only did norling's 'perspective made easy' for perspective, I didn't know about things like cone of vision. I'll watch the video, thank you.

Any other things I should take a look at?

[Anonymous No.5077844]

New Thread:
>>5077841
>>5077841
>>5077841

[Anonymous No.5078518]

>>5075842
Move the left side of the face over an tad, soften the mouth, move it down a bit.

[Anonymous No.5078910]

>>5075842
ear is small and misplaced
>>5078518
she looks like a monkey with that mouth

[Anonymous No.5079000]

>>5075626
i'm not every anon that infests these boards
also obviously if your end goals is to learn stylised work, you still need to learn how the stylisation works, just like you learned how realism works.

still i am really curious about that anon's realism studies because i want to know if they just did not get it/were unable to apply their knowledge for anime specifically, or if this was for realism too.

[Anonymous No.5079042]

[Anonymous No.5079299]

>>5066783
make me an essay that convinces me to draw anime

[Anonymous No.5079345]

>>5069028
What a retard. You sound like you’re too afraid to draw anything yourself to the point where you can’t realize something like this is beg.
And I know because I’m at his level too.

[Anonymous No.5079354]

>>5077844
How retarded are you?

[Anonymous No.5079402]

>>5079354
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