/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4705165]

>be me, 23
>learning seriously since 13
>200+ gigs of materials from /ic/
>lot of sketchbooks filled
>notgoodenough.jpg
>major in graphic design, because skill transfer
>keep practicing through uni

>now
>perfect copies
>good life drawing
>can pretty much recite textbooks from memory
>drawings without reference still on /beg/ level
Guess I'll just have to wageslave at an ad agency, then

[Anonymous No.4705171]

>>4705165
At least post your work.

[Anonymous No.4705175]

>perfect copies
tell me you're joking, anon

[Anonymous No.4705247]

>>4705171
At my family's, so that's all I can do to post anything. Feast your eyes

[Anonymous No.4705248]

>>4705247
>learning seriously for 13 years
>worse than my once a week for fun for 3 years
Damn...

[Anonymous No.4705252]

Meanwhile I started at 27 and managed to get coms 3 years later
Maybe you aren't that serious about it anon. Or maybe you're lying or just plain retarded.

[Anonymous No.4705257]

>>4705247
I can hardly see shit but my guess is that you haven't actually been trying to improve

[Anonymous No.4705264]

>>4705247
>he fell for the “just draw” meme

[Anonymous No.4705266]

>>4705247
I guess this is your work from imagination?

[Anonymous No.4705284]

>>4705247
Post anatomy stuff.

[Anonymous No.4705289]

>>4705247

[Anonymous No.4705308]

>>4705248
t. alentfag

[Anonymous No.4705314]

>>4705247
Please tell me this is joke

[Anonymous No.4705327]

>>4705314
What kind of asshole starts a thread like this unprepared to show his work?

[Anonymous No.4705334]

>>4705327
Idk

[Anonymous No.4705339]

>he felt for the "study" and "grind" meme

[Anonymous No.4705469]

>He felt for some retarded meme, don't know which one
Idiot.

[Anonymous No.4705486]

So I will show my irregular arms try. Never tried drawing serious b4.

[Anonymous No.4705519]

>>4705486
OP, how much do you draw a day? You draw like a 3 year old. Re-evaluate what you're doing.

[Anonymous No.4705526]

>>4705247
there are 2 explenations :
1- you are a a chimpanzee which explain the low iq.
2- you didnt practice for 1 years let alone 10 years.

[Anonymous No.4705532]

>>4705252
>Maybe you aren't that serious about it anon. Or maybe you're lying or just plain retarded.
Probably retarded.
>>4705284
I always did anatomy on copy paper to not get attached and just keep grinding
>>4705289
>>4705314
God, I wish
>>4705327
The kind that doesn't give a shit anymore. I'm ngmi either because retarded or because I don't have time anymore to go 8h/day since I gotta earn a living somewhere
>>4705469
Just drew, mate
>>4705519
>Re-evaluate what you're doing.
That's the idea. If I knew it'd turn out like this I wouldn't waste so much fucking time

[Anonymous No.4705533]

>>4705526
3- some people are just failures in shit they'd like to be good at

[Anonymous No.4705534]

>>4705532
I feel bad for you anon. I want to help you, I really do. But you have to tell us what you've been doing. Get as detailed as possible, I'll get back to you if you do.

[Anonymous No.4705553]

> perfect copies
> good life drawing

stop the pity party, show us this. Some people just arent good at drawing without reference

[Anonymous No.4705570]

>>4705553
fucking THIS

[Anonymous No.4705573]

>>4705165
post one of your " perfect copies" anon

[Anonymous No.4705637]

>>4705534
Following the recs, posting on /beg/, reading up, life drawing, copying. Sure, drawing from life is easier, proportions are correct, my visual library is bigger, I can show off on /fit/ how versed and cultured I am, knowing the proper names of muscles and bones, but my goal was always storytelling and that requires drawing from imagination, and that haven't moved an inch.
Loomis, Huston, Vilppu, Robertson, Sketching Manga (of all things), even the memes like Proko, ctrl+paint, Ahmed - I read, I understand the theory, I do the exercises, they look nice, but I want to apply them - I draw shit. Over, and over again.
Either way, I have to be done with drawing now, but fuck me, I had such high hopes for myself when I started.

>>4705553
>pity party
>on /ic/
Not this retarded just yet

>>4705553
>>4705570
>>4705573
Yeah, like posting another webcam jpg's gonna do anything. Post a ref, and I'll be back with it tomorrow (it's nearly 1 where I live). I'll trace it with a tablet if I don't find a way to get proper pics by then

[Anonymous No.4705640]

>>4705637
Shit, I forgot - pic related is my book and inspiration folders, amassed from /ic/ since 2012

[Anonymous No.4705647]

>>4705247

[Anonymous No.4705650]

>>4705637
here and take your time.

[Anonymous No.4705670]

>>4705637
Can you answer these questions?:
>How often do you draw? (every day? every other day?)
>How many hours do you genuinely draw a day? (excluding youtube, 4chan, wasted time)
>How do you spend your time when drawing? (what kind of studies / imaginative work)
>How many drawings do you produce in an average session?
>How often do you do studies / draw from reference? (from day to day)
>What subject matter do you study? (most frequently)
>What is the average length of a study session for you?
>What is your exact drawing process when studying? (do you even have a set drawing process?)
>How often do you copy other artwork?
>How often do you copy drawing books?
>How much figure drawing do you do?
>What time limits do you set on your figure drawing?
>Do you do lots of short pose figure drawings?
>Do you ever do long pose figure drawings?
>How often do you "clean up" a drawing? (not necessarily imaginative, but cleaning up the lines with ink)
>How often do you watch video tutorials and read books? (compared to time spent drawing)
>When you work through a course, how long do you spend on each exercise? (a day? a week? a month?)
>How long do you spend on a single teacher? (1 year? 2 years? 3 years?)
>How often do you draw from imagination? (every day? once a week?)
>What is your average imaginative drawing session? (minutes? hours?)
>How long do you spend on each drawing from imagination?
>Do you ever do cafe sketching? (Drawing moving people from life, incredibly helpful for drawing from imagination)
>How often do you draw comics?
>How often do you animate?
>How often do you thumbnail paintings?
>How often do you paint?
>Do you take your sketchbook with you everywhere?
>Do you ever just randomly doodle ideas?
Be utterly honest with yourself. Your drawings point not to a lack of talent to a lack of effort.

[Anonymous No.4705950]

>>4705165
Ok i want help you.

START ALL OVER AGAIN
i actually did it in February
Stop practicing and learn crafting skill clip studio or whatever shit and get work flow focus on single project and apply what you studied in work then it's time to produce illustration or comic and shit. Learn composition and do some master study and memorize every skill

And never listen music while drawing and focus 30min per session

[Anonymous No.4705961]

>>4705950
Lastly NEVER EVER DRAW WITHOUT REFERENCE

[Anonymous No.4705982]

>>4705247
Is this what happens when you exclusively work on learning fundies without ever taking the time to just make a drawing for fun every now and then?

[Anonymous No.4706018]

>>4705950
>Never listen to music while drawing
You know this is a meme, right?

[Anonymous No.4706056]

>>4705961
Kys

[Anonymous No.4706057]

>>4705982
I don't see the fundies
I see a lot of chicken scratch and no draw through or proper guides

[Anonymous No.4706737]

>>4705650
Thanks, I'll post it later

>>4705670
>How often do you draw? (every day? every other day?)
Every day. Don't have much else going on aside from work
>How many hours do you genuinely draw a day? (excluding youtube, 4chan, wasted time)
4, at least
>How do you spend your time when drawing? (what kind of studies / imaginative work)
Start with gestures, since it's the kind of warm up that's easy for me. Some perspective studies. Then just sit with refs or life draw if I'm out. Imagination stuff afterwards
>How many drawings do you produce in an average session?
Something like 10 pages of warm-ups, 3-4 pages of studies. Something around 2 pages from imagination (or until I can't take the fucking thing)
>How often do you do studies / draw from reference? (from day to day)
Every day. It's relaxing for me, so whenever I can
>What subject matter do you study? (most frequently)
Anatomy, animals, some plant life. Architecture, but not that often
>What is the average length of a study session for you?
Around 2 hours, fitting in between work and upkeep
>What is your exact drawing process when studying? (do you even have a set drawing process?)
Get the gesture, make thumbnails, simplify, add form, render. The usual
>How often do you copy other artwork?
Every day
>How often do you copy drawing books?
Not so often these days, copied whole books when I was starting out
>How much figure drawing do you do?
Mostly do figure drawing, since it's the most interesting to me
>What time limits do you set on your figure drawing?
30 secs/2 min for gestures, as much as needed for detailed poses. I never considered myself good enough to set a limit on those
>Do you do lots of short pose figure drawings?
Sure.

[Anonymous No.4706742]

>>4706737
>Do you ever do long pose figure drawings?
Don't really do full rendering, but polishing shit is hardly worthwhile
>How often do you "clean up" a drawing? (not necessarily imaginative, but cleaning up the lines with ink)
When it's something I think is worth preserving, so rarely. Mostly just draw with ink from the get-go, when I do
>How often do you watch video tutorials and read books? (compared to time spent drawing)
When I finish a concept/exercises in a way that I can't get anything more from them
>When you work through a course, how long do you spend on each exercise? (a day? a week? a month?)
Around a week, usually. Obv anatomy takes longer
>How long do you spend on a single teacher? (1 year? 2 years? 3 years?)
Don't really work with single teachers, rather mix and match concept explanations (bodily proportions from Loomis, but facial from Hamm, e.g.)
>How often do you draw from imagination? (every day? once a week?)
Every day
>What is your average imaginative drawing session? (minutes? hours?)
Around an hour. Mostly ends when I start stabbing the clipboard
>How long do you spend on each drawing from imagination?
Few hours, but mostly iteration of one idea. Can't move forward if it's still shit
>Do you ever do cafe sketching? (Drawing moving people from life, incredibly helpful for drawing from imagination)
Yeah.
>How often do you draw comics?
Rarely. Too awful to keep it at it yet
>How often do you animate?
I don't. Sketch keyframes sometimes, but don't really want to go into animation
>How often do you thumbnail paintings?
Before every detailed drawing or to keep an idea. Pretty often
>How often do you paint?
I don't, PC can't handle it
>Do you take your sketchbook with you everywhere?
Yeah.
>Do you ever just randomly doodle ideas?
Often, whenever I'm bored

>>4706057
>I see
sure

[Anonymous No.4706927]

wtf am I seriously better than op in just months learning?

[Anonymous No.4706931]

>>4706927
Day one /beg/s can become better than op in just a few weeks.

[Anonymous No.4707231]

OP, post better pictures of your art please. And was that hand with a middle finger your art?

[Anonymous No.4707250]

I am scared. I might be as talentless as OP. I have only started, but I don#t really improve. It's scary.

[Anonymous No.4707258]

>>4707250
>he fell for the bait
a monkey will be drawing 10 times better than him with that routine he posted

[Anonymous No.4707280]

>>4705486
Welp, that wasnt OP. Other anon here. Never studied, never drew smth valuable either.

[Anonymous No.4707282]

>>4705247
Congrats anon, I can see you becoming the next proko.

[Anonymous No.4707283]

>>4707280
Why did you confuse everyone?

>>4705247
I'm looking at your work again, and you really need to show us better pictures. Some of those faces are looking pretty alright but I want to see what's going on with the bodies

[Anonymous No.4707284]

>>4706018
I think it gets parroted by people on the spectrum. I like to listen to music while drawing sometimes. I see very accomplished industry artists listen to music while streaming themselves making art. It’s probably people with some fucked up kind of aspergers with learning disorders who can’t do two things at once and think this actually applies to everyone.

[Anonymous No.4707292]

>>4707283
Kek moment.
So why OP didn't even try to tell this isn't his work?

>learning seriously since 13
vs
>never learned how to draw

[Anonymous No.4707293]

>>4707284
Yeah, Some days I work better with music. Some days silence is better. I don't know why, but I think it depends on my mood. If my anxiety is sky high than silence is better, and I try to let my drawing thoughts drown out the fear of impending doom.

[Anonymous No.4707403]

>>4707231
>>4707283
Gonna borrow my sister's phone camera for the >>4705650, I'll take better pictures. i dug up some stuff I left at home, 4 years back but decent Han studies, so I'll post as well

>>4707282
post your kangaroo

>>4707292
>So why OP didn't even try to tell this isn't his work?
He said he never drew seriously before, I assumed reading comprehension comes with being 18+

[Anonymous No.4707413]

>>4707403
lmao, OP. Just give it up. We're all idiots on this board, we can't help you. Should've read the post more carefully

[Anonymous No.4707415]

>>4707403
Your navigation failed. Lad with the middle finger drawing is not an OP. It was other anon (me).

[Anonymous No.4707470]

>>4705266
I don't know, do you guess it? You know what you're thinking better than anyone else.

[Anonymous No.4707500]

>>4707284
>i see people who already know what they're doing listening to music
Woah what a surprise

[Anonymous No.4707512]

>>4706737
>>4706742
I can only imagine you do shit mindlessly. That will get you nowhere.
You have to draw, evaluate it and ITERATE.

Draw from imagination. Now draw again, but see what happens if you change the shoulder angle. Now change the direction the head is facing. Now try longer thighs. Do you like it better or not?
Make notes. Analyze stuff that isn't realism - art that you enjoy and want to pursue. How does this artist draw this part that you are having trouble with? Copy it. Now next time you draw from imagination, try to remember what you copied and do the same.

Realism is important, but so is abstraction - even for realism.
If you don't see beyond construction and get into the APPEAL of art, you will never be able to judge if you're going in the right direction. It's the difference between a professional photographer and your aunt taking pictures of your birthday party. Both know how to use a camera, but one has learned to make things visually balanced.

Good news is: if you've been doing it this religiously for 10 years, you PROBABLY haven't just wasted all this time; you have honed your motor and observation skills, and as soon as you get a push in the right direction, you'll make gains faster than someone without that mileage. Like removing weights from your wrists after training with them for years.

It also means you have some degree of discipline, and correcting your mindset is way easier than fabricating motivation for the lazy.

[Anonymous No.4707571]

>>4705247
This is an example of why it’s bad to grind fundies endlessly. You need to apply them to actual drawings sometime or you’ll never really advance. It’s like studying a textbook on how to drive for a few years, but never getting in any actual mileage. Hey, great, you know everything there is to know about the steering wheel but I still wouldn’t trust you taking my car out.

[Anonymous No.4707611]

>>4706737
>>4706742
Hey, if everything said is the truth, I can only tell you a few things

1. Follow Vilppu's course for 1 year. (2-3 years ideally) Spend one week on each lecture and cycle through the course sequentially over and over again. Practice every day, at least for 2 hours (ideally all 4), just on Vilppu's course. Take everything he says seriously. Yes, force yourself to only use spherical forms, on the spherical forms week. Yes, force yourself to do the modelling tone, on the modelling tone week, etc. Just focus on Vilppu and forget Huston, Loomis, Proko, etc.
2. Do a lot of long pose figures. Every week, try to do one, maybe 2. Rendering = planar analysis, and it teaches you so much about structure. Be very slow, accurate, patient, and clean. (you'll find it challenging at first if you've seldom done this before) (Polishing shit is worthwhile)
3. For figures, only warm up a little with 2 minutes and get into 5 minute poses, for a solid structural figure. (unless specifically practicing gesture). Occasionally do 10 minute poses.
4. Every chance you get, take 4-5 hours and sit in the public, drawing people. (Look at them for a split second and construct from memory) Take each drawing as far as you want. (Super important exercise)
5. Invest in a digital drawing tablet and a better PC. Cleaned up drawings show your weaknesses better. It's either this or buying drawing pads and charcoal, and doing very clean charcoal renderings. Whatever you do, constantly keep your drawings as clean as possible, even as quick sketches. Draw with very thin lines.

In case you don't have his videos;
Glenn Vilppu Stuff - https://mega.nz/#F!RIx3TJxJ!_Nna8t01kPxENJ8KSzXqwg!EUJHgKAZ

If you have any questions, please ask. I highly doubt you're that bad at drawing if you've been drawing 10 years seriously, several hours a day. I look forward to a better picture of your art

[Anonymous No.4708026]

Alright, posting >>4705650. Face is the biggest failure. I'll post all the other stuff tomorrow, if anyone's still interested by then

>>4707470
No, it's not

>>4707512
>iterative drawing
done during freshman year, had my fun, got me nowhere

>>4707571
>implying I didn't

[Anonymous No.4708032]

>>4708026
Stop fucking with us. Delete this thread.

[Anonymous No.4708053]

>>4708026
>perfect copies btw
you cant even draw from reference.

[Anonymous No.4708101]

>>4708026
Yeah, this isn't very good. I'd say it's about the same level as I am, and I'm a lazy fuck who draws less than one hour a day on average.
The main thing wrong with your pic is that it's flat. It fails to capture the volume of the original, both in terms of depth, and also just silhouette. The coat is less floofy. The legs are less muscular. It's skewed to one side, like a leaning cardboard cut-out. Seriously, try opening your photo in an image editor and flipping it horizontally. The skew is pretty bad.
You also botched the proportions pretty badly. Hands and feet are way too small. Eyes too small. Head the wrong shape. Several parts are stretched vertically. Generally /beg/ tier.

If this is actually the result of ten years of focused practice, that's bad enough on its own, but what's even worse is if you seriously can't see what's wrong with it.
Do you think it's a perfect copy, like you wrote? Can you really do perfect copies?
Are you actually good at life drawing, or are you just unable to see the errors?
Even if you lack some magical spark of talent that everyone else has, you can still probably get good at drawing just by practising more. Maybe it'll take thirty years instead of ten, but at 23, you got a good sixty years left if you exercise and don't smoke. You can get a day job, keep practising, and eventually overcome your developmental disabilities, whatever they might be. People with no hands have learned to paint with their feet. You can succeed with a handicap, it's just harder.
But that's ONLY if you can see when you do things wrong. You can't correct a mistake if you never notice it.

[Anonymous No.4708114]

>>4708101
>>4708053
OP just took a bait thread way too far. what a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.4708206]

>>4708026
What happened to "perfect copies"?
>>4708101
>I'd say it's about the same level as I am
pyw

[Anonymous No.4708210]

>>4708101
Tldr, poster is the same /beg/ tier level as op.

[Anonymous No.4708241]

>>4708206
>pyw
No perfect copies here.

[Anonymous No.4708242]

>>4708026
>>iterative drawing
>done during freshman year, had my fun, got me nowhere
Have you tried it now that you have control over where your lines go? Cause as a complete beginner iterative drawing is heavily hindered by the fact that even if you try to draw the exact same thing twice, it will look completely different.

But my guess is you just don't analyze things. You're writing a romance by hand every day and wondering why your calligraphy isn't improving despite all the words you've written.
There is no "I did this wrong" or "I did this right", there is only "I did it". You need a way memorize your corrections. Say it out loud, make notes, test yourself later, find a way to retain this shit.

[Anonymous No.4708264]

>>4708026
You're not bad, you're just definitely not good yet. Please don't listen to the crabs dragging you down. I sincerely believe you'll benefit from a structured routine guided and monitored by a teacher. Don't let this skill atrophy or else you'll regret it pretty hard. Adopt a more critical eye, pay for online art courses, stick to a routine, and just keep drawing.

Not everyone will become a successful concept artist, but anyone can certainly improve their craft. Cheers anon

[Anonymous No.4708273]

>>4708026
>I can draw perfect copies
No the fuck you can't

[Anonymous No.4708286]

>>4708241
This is worse than OP's by a mile.
>>4708026
You're not even that bad but there's no fucking way you've been studying for 10 years and this is the best you can do.

[Anonymous No.4708307]

>>4708026
OP is actually just a good guy.He is pretending to be a delusional retard to make others feel better about their own drawings. He lets people say "At lest I'm not THAT guy."
Thank you for the emotional support. One day I hope to pay it forward.

[Anonymous No.4708746]

>>4705247
Scan your shit retard

[Anonymous No.4708756]

>>4708026
Ouchie

[Anonymous No.4708998]

>>4705165
>>4705247
>perfect copies

[Anonymous No.4709016]

>>4708026
I find this so weird because the drawings you did from imagination are actually better. How are you this unaware?

[Anonymous No.4709018]

>>4708101
>Do you think it's a perfect copy, like you wrote?
'Course not. As I said, face is off by a mile, but I can't get the hang of these toddler features, far less on an A4 piece of paper with pencils.
Hands are too small, legs are shagged (though they're shagged in the original, both proportions and joint placement), and getting the same sense of volume with pencils is beyond my reach for sure. Not pleased with it, but definitely pleased with the fact that there's someone still more /beg/ tier than I am, so thanks
>>4708242
>You're writing a romance by hand every day and wondering why your calligraphy isn't improving despite all the words you've written.
All my sketchbooks are filled with notes on what went wrong, that's what makes up my study subject list
>>4708286
>You're not even that bad but there's no fucking way you've been studying for 10 years and this is the best you can do.
Well, yeah, but no.
>>4708307
Well, someone's getting something out of my life at least
>>4708746
Buy my parents a scanner then

[Anonymous No.4709019]

>>4709016
They're also copies. Guts didn't tip you off?

[Anonymous No.4709227]

>>4706018
>>4707284
Guys, you dont listen to music when you need to really focus.
You listen to music when you are on autopilot. Those pros you look at are used to doing what they're doing. It's not a lot of mental effort for them.
People are not good at multitasking, but think they are, so they will listen to music and draw at the same time. You can do that, but just know that if you have lyrics in your ear and drawing something, your attention is continuously switching back and forth. I'd say listen to music all you want, but when you are doing hardcore practice you put on some ambient background sounds or something

[Anonymous No.4709235]

>>4705165
This applies to you anon
>>4707953
>>4708452

[Anonymous No.4710054]

>>4708026
this is like when Sami Ways got dunning kruger and tried to learn anatomy

[Anonymous No.4710108]

>>4708286
I would say that this is actually better than OP's. This has better proportions, and actually has some gesture, unlike the stiff retarded piece of thrash that OP posted.

[Anonymous No.4710299]

>>4709018
>All my sketchbooks are filled with notes on what went wrong, that's what makes up my study subject list
Notes, yes. But what about revising the material and applying it? It is impossible to do that and not see INSTANT improvement.

[Anonymous No.4710357]

So you did everything it has to done to learn for 10 years yet your skills are no different from those of a 3 month student? Why did it take you 10 years to realize it? Maybe you are too young to understand the material?

[Anonymous No.4710374]

>>4710357
No. It's plain lack of talent. Why is it so hard for /ic/ to understand talent exists?

[Anonymous No.4710499]

PSA: This is a bait thread. OP is fucking with everyone here.

[Anonymous No.4710551]

>>4710299
>impossible
watch me

>>4710357
>3 month
It's that bad, huh?
>Why did it take you 10 years to realize it?
I've always thought I suck, that's why I didn't go for art in hs and uni. just thought that at some point there would be some improvement, other than hard theory stuff - guess not

>>4710374
Don't use me, a retard by own admission, to fuel your excuses. Many more anons here made it with hard work than failed. Keep at it

>>4710499
I wish.

[Anonymous No.4710594]

>>4710551
I'm sure this is what you wanted to hear all along: If this isn't a bait thread, and you're not lying to us about your schedule, then you should give up drawing. It's not worth your time anymore. If 4 hours a day didn't get you anywhere, no amount of hours will get you anywhere.

If you still won't give up, then follow my schedule I outlined earlier. The one with Vilppu. Go all the way back to the fundamentals. Take a class with an experienced teacher, and don't try to flit around managing things on your own.

[Anonymous No.4710719]

>>4708286
Fair enough. Is this better?

[Anonymous No.4710725]

>>4710551
> 10 years
yeah just like with the ‘perfect copies’? Lies.

If the timeframe is even real, you’ve been half-assing it for 8-9.5 of those years. You still look like you’re afraid of your own pencil.

[Anonymous No.4710758]

>>4710719
Better than the first one? Yes. A perfect copy? No

Thanks for putting some effort into it this time. Do you have anything that is a finished work or at least high rendered?

[Anonymous No.4710781]

>>4708307
Thank you OP, the hero /ic/ needs

[Anonymous No.4710919]

>>4710758
Not really. I don't have the patience or motivation to actually finish things. This is probably the hardest I've tried in years.

[Anonymous No.4710928]

>>4710499
obviously no one can be that bad after 10 years of actual practice.He probably doodle or practice blindfolded

[Anonymous No.4710980]

Do you enjoy drawing, op?

[Anonymous No.4710985]

>>4710980
actually based

[Anonymous No.4710995]

>>4710980
I think not. OP just hammers the whole logic of his first post. Meanvile he makes feel us "glad I'm not that guy" thing, so by the fact he is a moral saviour.

[Anonymous No.4711018]

OP, post what you drew yesterday. 4 hours of studies, right???

[Anonymous No.4711029]

>>4711018
He drew some big anime titties, I suppose

[Anonymous No.4711070]

>>4711029
Anime tiddies can be rocket science tier depending on how they are done.

[Anonymous No.4711095]

>>4710919
> i don’t have the patience or motivation

And you think you’re going to be a graphic designer ?! Hahahahaha

Mystery solved. Stop wasting your time and get a job at McDonalds. If you can’t even finish your own work there’s no way you’re going to manage the stress of working on other people’s pieces.

[Anonymous No.4711121]

>>4711095
>And you think you’re going to be a graphic designer ?!
What? Obviously not. Did you think I was OP?

[Anonymous No.4711218]

>>4711070
Is that level of shading possible using only one pencil?

[Anonymous No.4711236]

>>4711218
Should be 3 I think 2-4-6B

[Anonymous No.4711242]

>>4705264
he fell for the opposite you fucking retarded mongoloid

Wtf is wrong with you that you can't fucking read or something?

[Anonymous No.4712390]

>>4710594
>I'm sure this is what you wanted to hear all along:
No, I made this thread thinking I could bitch about lack of progress with other retards in the same spot, but it seems like it's only me and the 30 yo guy in the other thread. Which fucks me up a bit desu
>If you still won't give up, then follow my schedule I outlined earlier. The one with Vilppu.
Sure, why not? I only skimmed through Vilppu, but I'm sure he's the one who'll click, unlike Loomis, Hampton, Hamm, Bridgman, and the Hitokaku guy. Sure

>>4710725
>>4710928
Surprise

>>4710980
No, but I don't generally enjoy things. When I do try drawing something I actually think would be cool, it always comes out so shitty I go straight back to grinding, since I obviously can't pull off my own stuff just yet - rinse and repeat for 10 years

>>4711018
>>4711029
Sure. Mostly quick gestures yesterday, since I'm unwinding while away from my place

>>4711095
How did you think he was me, anon? And patience and motivation have nothing to do with design, I've been miserable all uni and still graduated with hons and got a job right after. It's a meme industry desu

[Anonymous No.4712496]

>>4710980

inspirational. made me draw. heres /beg/ attempt.

[Anonymous No.4712538]

>>4712390
seems to me like youre too afraid of failing to even really try

you have all this knowledge and foundation built up, but then you draw draw, fail, and then get frustrated when it doesn't turn out right. So then you go back to mindlessly grinding fundamentals for hours upon hours, cause THAT'S whats gonna make your drawing turn out right the next time. Cause if those aren't good, they're just sketches, it's not like you put your heart into it. But mindless grinding doesn't take you very far. Looks to me like you need to put more time and awareness into each individual drawing.

Don't just draw it, understand it. Looking at your gesture drawings, one 30 minute to even an hour drawing of just one pose where you really study and understand will do you better than those drawings you posted

and yes, by the look of those gesture drawings, Vilppu will help you a lot.

[Anonymous No.4712555]

>>4712390
Oh no, OP is eating nails.

[Anonymous No.4712556]

>>4712390
Everyone is piling on because if this isn't bait, it's just strange that this is how far you got with 10 years.

Judging by the stuff you posted, plus your comment about not enjoying things, I think you're just pretty depressed and you don't actually put in *effort* while drawing. It's like you just have developed a habit and stick with it but don't or can't care much. When you make a pencil stroke on a finished piece, you have to focus on the stroke and make it count. When you see some progress, you should be revelling in it.

I, too, am a somewhat depressed, anhedonic person. Yet when I make art, even after 10 years, it often feels orgasmic, exciting, or profound.

>>4711242
He said he's been drawing 10 years.

[Anonymous No.4712654]

>>4712555
huh?

>>4712556
>I, too, am a somewhat depressed, anhedonic person. Yet when I make art, even after 10 years, it often feels orgasmic, exciting, or profound.
Alright, I know how this sounds, but bear with me: I thought nobody enjoyed drawing itself. I mean, making something you want to make is fun, but drawing/writing/whatever by itself is just constant, grueling effort, isn't it? How can that be exciting, other than creative fulfillment above?

[Anonymous No.4712673]

>>4712654
> isn’t it?

no, drawing and writing are a creative release for me. I’m more mentally engaged/excited than with other parts of life. The only reason i stop is because my physical can’t keep up after so many hours of creative outpour.

If you don’t feel the same, you should stop and seek professional help with depression. Random people on an image board can’t help you with your emotional issues, nor should you expect them to.

[Anonymous No.4713700]

>>4712555
>>4712654
>huh?
Maybe he means finger nails? Doesn't look like it to me.

>is just constant, grueling effort, isn't it?
Huh, nah, sometimes I just scribble because it feels nice. Writing fells pretty good, too. I actually enjoy typing in passwords anf google searches. I swear to God I have not and will not intentionally put grueling effort into anything in my life.

>other than creative fulfillment above
The two things should be linked together. Again, this comes back to you grinding fundies, but having no reason for it. The grind should be part of creative fulfillment.

[Anonymous No.4713721]

>>4712390
How long have you been keeping up 4 hours a day? How long/much have you drawn in the past years? Your answer to this makes a big difference

[Anonymous No.4713744]

>>4712390
ok you got me.You have no talent as a human being.Just end it.

[Anonymous No.4713749]

>>4706742
You do need to actually polish things to learn. Sketches are too loose so they can hide errors and weaknesses. Try drawing clean lineart and see if you can actually place lines correctly

[Anonymous No.4713772]

>>4708026
This has to be bait, I've been drawing seriously for 1 month and can do better.

>>4712390
Stop doing gesture and do finished drawings. For your studies rewatch Vilppu. Practice basic forms, then sketch gestures focusing on creating 3d forms, using the 3 strokes: center line, crosscontour, and contour. My gestures looked like shit exactly like yours until I finally understood Vilppu and could feel the forms. A stiff 3D pose is better than a "dynamic" 2D cutout.

[Anonymous No.4713773]

> Shows 10 years worth of work, pathetic
> OP obviously has a mental illness, wasted YEARS by not seeking professional help. Will probably continue to waste years browsing 4chan like an idiot instead of getting real help.

[Anonymous No.4713781]

>>4713773
This is the saddest truth.

[Anonymous No.4713798]

Based OP trying to scare all the begs away from drawing.