/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4701872]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make YOURSELF feel proud.

previous thread >>4698018

READ THE STICKY if you're new or need guidance.

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

[Anonymous No.4701902]

Feel like I’m polishing a turd.

[Anonymous No.4701913]

2 heads from imagation and 1 reference of Jesse Vint.

[Anonymous No.4701918]

>>4701902
Your art is hideous but its not /beg/

[Anonymous No.4701926]

I decided to just remove the arms and jacket from earlier and color. I really feel like Im getting faster.That being said, Back to anatomy studies. These hands are wack.

[Anonymous No.4701937]

Does this look like not shit? Where are the fuck ups?

[Anonymous No.4701941]

>>4701937
uhh clarity for one. Push those backs even further.

[Anonymous No.4701943]

>>4701937
Looks like a blob. You fucked up by using a blob as a reference.

[Anonymous No.4701946]

>>4701902
>>4701918
What this guy said. Honestly I just think you have very poor aesthetic taste. Your artstyle is totally revolting to me, even your non sexual stuff. Ultimately that’s just my taste though so don’t feel too bad. I think many people would have the same opinion though.

[Anonymous No.4701975]

really stupid ass brainlet question, but when doing the loomis head construction is it still divided in 1/3rds when the head is in perspective/ tilted? Feels like my face is too long a lot of the time when theres a big tilt or tough camera shot.

[Anonymous No.4701976]

>>4701946
I’m honestly not sure how to take that. If everything about it is so bad how can it be in any way good?

[Anonymous No.4701978]

I have a few questions, mostly I want to confirm some assumptions
First, I "feather" my lines a lot, but I have read conflicting declarations that this is either harmless, necessary or detrimental, and that I instead should focus on making things in as few lines. Is this true? I know that I must improve line control which would result in utilizing single lines, but just how bad is it to utilize manny small lines, if at all?

Second, at the moment I am not following any guide aside from "just draw", I have the "6 gorillion Loomis Starter Kit" which includes Creative Illustration, Drawing the Head & Hands, Figure Drawing - For All it's Worth, Fun with a Pencil, Successful Drawing, and The Eye of the Painter - And the Elements of Beauty. Which should I pick-up first? none of them scream "start here".

Third, while this may be completely negated by my second question, but I at the moment my plan was to (as some book told me, I believe the one where it told you to practice copying your fist and shoes) learn to copy objects, then trowing in basic construction, only for later go all in for construction (drawing from imagination). Is this approach correct?

[Anonymous No.4701991]

[Anonymous No.4701998]

>>4701976
It’s not like I’m shooting to be some tumblr artist who strives for hideous. I shoot more for an American comics look. Jim Lee, j. Scott Campbell, that sort of stuff.

[Anonymous No.4702005]

>>4701978
Its harmless, until you can't stop doing. The reason its suggested to do clear bold strokes is to prevent you from developing a habit. small strokes should be a conscious decision not something that happens because you can't help it. Bold strokes will also help you build line weight and line control.
That being said, its fine for first drafts. Some pros can go over line art multiple times until they find one they like.
Construction. If you're going to learn anything at all Learn that. Doesn't matter from what book. As soon as you're free from symbol drawing a lot of avenues open up.

[Anonymous No.4702011]

Finally managed to draw some cars that actually look like cars

Still a lot of wrong things but I'm happy that at least I managed to do it after some weeks of practice

[Anonymous No.4702018]

Decided to stop whining about my art being bad and do some practices

[Anonymous No.4702019]

>>4702011
Nice dude. The self-critique shows you def have the gmi attitude.

[Anonymous No.4702029]

>>4702019
Thank you, anon

[Anonymous No.4702032]

Going to work on a side profile for the female, if that's the correct usage of term. Is there anything for now I should correct or better express anatomy-wise for this one? Any feedback is appreciated

[Anonymous No.4702045]

>>4701872
that's not the real quote faggot.

[Anonymous No.4702051]

>>4702011
Now I did some weird contraption thing to practice perspective

[Anonymous No.4702054]

>>4702032
It is impossible for the jaw to end behind the ears. The skull simply does not work that way. Beyond that, work on the brow area, it's not typically that flat.

[Anonymous No.4702055]

>>4700638
Thanks for the crit anon. Yeah I didn't think things through with the foreground part. I kinda just had it in my head that things in the foreground have dark values and just went overboard with it.

[Anonymous No.4702058]

>>4702054
Would you mind explaining the brow bit? Are you referring to both profiles?

[Anonymous No.4702062]

>>4701926
it's looking neat from the thumbnail. In the future, you may want to make your lines more varied, same with gesture, it seems like it could benefit from some reference, the pose is there, just that it looks a bit stiff, look for a reference for painting folds in fabric too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHRSPNkGxQo
The underlying structure determines the way the folds will appear so remember the shape of the body and the planes of it.

[Anonymous No.4702155]

>>4702055
Yeah, I get it. I mean I tend to get carried away with aesthetic myself instead of looking at what would actually happen in the scene as well. Overall its an easy fix and a drop of habit, and np

[Anonymous No.4702158]

>>4701976
>>4701998
In that slime image, look at the details and shape of the girls left nipple, the deformation of her mid section and the large bulbous parts of all her face
It's drawn with a level of good skill, but the the details you have put I'd say are over expressed when they could look more beautiful with simpler shapes and less intense details.
If you are going for comic style I'd say you aren't too far off, but it still seems like its a bit too much

[Anonymous No.4702159]

>>4702032
What this anon >>4702054 said, but also, make the jaw more feminine. You dont want your females to look like pic related, trust me

[Anonymous No.4702202]

>like drawing
>like video games, and random internet shit more
>draw for 3 mins
>feel like playing games
>fml
>what do?

[Anonymous No.4702204]

>>4702202
Serious pursuits will require serious sacrifices. Go cold Turkey. Do you use Steam?

[Anonymous No.4702216]

>>4702204
Sure, but i rarely use it.

[Anonymous No.4702226]

>>4702202
lol

once you realize how boring and repetitive every game in the store to ever exist is, you end up naturally quitting.

[BackpackLily No.4702230]

I drew my fursona c:

[Anonymous No.4702232]

doing a thing! will update

[Anonymous No.4702391]

>>4702232

[Anonymous No.4702394]

[Anonymous No.4702409]

>>4702391
Fingers are weird

[Anonymous No.4702432]

>>4702230
Is that a beard or a mane/plumage under the chin?

[BackpackLily No.4702434]

>>4702432
Oh it's their hair, I've got the same hair actually.

[BackpackLily No.4702436]

>>4702434
See?

[Anonymous No.4702437]

I went back and tried to fix the drawing on the left... this is literally the best I can do for now.

[Anonymous No.4702440]

>>4702434
much better

[Anonymous No.4702444]

>>4702434
>>4702436
It's a cute picture, but if you are who your name suggests you are, you probably don't want to post on here. People are going to make very unkind comments.

[BackpackLily No.4702445]

>>4702440
Thank you! I forgot what board / thread I was on and posted >>4702436, but I'd hate to derail the thread.

I never draw but I'm having fun picking it up, they don't look weird?

[BackpackLily No.4702449]

>>4702445
I am indeed, however I forgot to clear my name field before posting the first image and didn't really notice until the delete post timer had been up, and so for consistency sake, I've kept it on, though it was a mistake on my end. I can handle it though, I quite do appreciate you looking out for me, though c:

[Anonymous No.4702453]

>>4702445
the colors are quite nice and its different enough from most furry art (which I think is pretty samey)

[Anonymous No.4702459]

>>4702449
>>4702445
/ic/ mainly focuses on human anatomy and its derivations e.g. anime. With threads about realistic animal anatomy study infrequently. if you want to see resources that are tailored for helping artists learn to draw cartoon/furry/anthro animal characters, there is a board called /trash/ and it has an art improvement thread. >>>/trash/improve although they are just as likely to flame you so I wish you the best of luck in your pursuits.

[Anonymous No.4702460]

>>4701872
When doing beginner books like keys to drawing, it says give yourself half an hour for the excerise, but the excersise is too simple to take that long, this one took me 14 minutes- am I making some glaring mistake? Surely a beginner lline drawing of your feet can’t take half an hour

[Anonymous No.4702487]

I'm worried about the legs, had to redraw them a bunch of times before turning them into bird legs.

[Anonymous No.4702498]

>>4701872
so i made way to escape absolute noob in 4 month this is korean version i will make english version later sorry for creepy moonrunes

this tech tree maded after 9 years of useless digging perhaps it can may not work

[Anonymous No.4702502]

I think I see these improving down the page, unelss I'm delusional
>>4702230
yo lopera whats up

[Anonymous No.4702510]

>>4702502
I think you just got more confident towards the bottom. Your nostrils look really strange.

[Anonymous No.4702512]

>>4702510
Too big? Not curving in enough?

[Anonymous No.4702513]

>>4702460
Post it and we'll tell you if you didn't take enough time to do it.
This exercise is stressing emphasis on accuracy so if you got a 100% accurate recreation in 14 minutes then sure who cares.
But likely you just drew something that was passable as feet so you could check it off your to-do list instead of actually learning from it

[Anonymous No.4702516]

>>4702512
They look like you just drew circles and colored them in.
Be mindful of the value of the shadows in nostrils because it's not just 'dark', it fades to lighter values so when you sketch noses, don't just make a solid black circle. Focus on contouring the darkest shadows when sketching and you'll get a better feel for the form.

[Anonymous No.4702528]

>>4702513
Ok thank you, I’ll just do it again since I drew loads of crap over the feet like faces and dumb shit

[Anonymous No.4702539]

Thanks guys. Gave the face another shot this morning. Tried to make it more attractive. Who knows. I’m 4+ hours in on this one so it’s time to give up.

[Anonymous No.4702543]

[Anonymous No.4702545]

>>4702539
i have no criticism but your art style and fetish is just fucking repulsive

[Anonymous No.4702546]

>>4702543
If you're trying to draw an anorexic person, you missed the mark. She's still a bit too bulky (her neck, hips, waist, arms). Look at some actual anorexic people.

Also that face is straight FUCKED homie

[Anonymous No.4702547]

>>4701872
he died three days later...

[Anonymous No.4702552]

>>4702545
God dammit. I’m trying to make the art style less repulsive! Subject matter is fine by me. Didn’t think women in peril to slime was so unpopular.

[Anonymous No.4702554]

how would skirt physics work in this situation? she got her knees up so it should slightly wrap around the base of her legs and fall down between them right?
if so, how do I make it not look like shit?

[Anonymous No.4702556]

>>4702546
I didn't want to make her waist smaller since she's sitting, I imagine her standing up she would look a lot thinner
why is the face fucked ?

[Anonymous No.4702558]

>>4702554
You're making it fall too much between her legs. It'll drape down slightly, but not that much.

[Anonymous No.4702565]

>>4702558
I also want the skirt to cover her lower parts, should it be possible if it was a longer kind of skirt?

[Anonymous No.4702573]

>>4702565
Fabric for pleated skirts is stiffer than you think. If you want it to cover her, you should lower the legs a little bit. Otherwise, maybe change the skirt to one that has more drape like pic related.

[Anonymous No.4702580]

I fucking hate when the guy doing a tutorial doesn't respect his own construction lines. Like if you have to eyeball it anyway what's the point of construction? Why are you showing me this when even you can't make it work and you have to break the rules to get a good drawing?

[Anonymous No.4702582]

>>4702552
I think it's fine, just make the girl look less like a goblin, still cool style you got there.

[Anonymous No.4702583]

>>4702573
ok thanks, I think I'll try and change the position later

[Anonymous No.4702597]

Why is ass anatomy so confusing?

[Anonymous No.4702599]

>>4702582
What's making her goblin-like? When I draw goblins they look like the green guy here.

[Anonymous No.4702600]

[Anonymous No.4702613]

>>4702597
probably because you're trying too hard to give women giant asses and hips without learning normal human anatomy first

[Anonymous No.4702617]

>>4702613
>you're trying too hard to give women giant asses and hips
I mean, that's the idea.

[Anonymous No.4702618]

>>4702613
Dilate

[Anonymous No.4702631]

>>4702599
maybe it's all her facial features being too close to each other, the fact her face is being squished doesn't help either. Still, it's cartoonish, the first thing I thought when I saw it was Eris for some reason, you're not that far off, just try to make it appealing, adjust her face a bit to something more feminine, or find references of faces being squished.

[Anonymous No.4702638]

>>4702539
Face is better than before but still not attractive. If you want it to be less ugly

The hair is fantastic. I wish I could draw hair like that.

Nose appears way too short
She has pointy dog teeth. Dont use black lines on teeth. In this cartoon style drawing the teeth as one single, smooth mass with no lines on it is more attractive.

The black lines around her aereolas should be much thinner, aereolas themselves should be round or oval

[Anonymous No.4702641]

>>4702618
I dont care what people draw, I was only answering the question
>>4702617
Learn to walk before you run. If you dont understand what typical human skeletal and fat and muscle are doing, you're going to flounder when you draw exaggerated proportions

[Anonymous No.4702661]

is this the thread where we post our gals being molested by goo?

[Anonymous No.4702683]

>>4702513
I tried to take my time but this only took 15 minutes, I want to be able to do the excersise properly and learn so I don’t suck at drawing but this already felt really slow and I needed to try pad it out to make it take longer, are you just supposed to be as slow as possible?

[Anonymous No.4702684]

hey /ic/ I need soem fresh eyes on this

[Anonymous No.4702694]

>>4702684
Needs more curves

[Anonymous No.4702699]

>>4702661
I’m down for it, slime bro!

[Anonymous No.4702723]

>>4702543
Reminds me of this

[Anonymous No.4702726]

Hands.

[Anonymous No.4702734]

>>4702230
>>4702434
looks like shit you fucking dumbass

[Anonymous No.4702748]

>>4702539
Pretty much this >>4702638
Nose is a bit too flat, teeth being less detailed or using something other than black lines would make it better. It's not to my personal tastes but I can see the face as being attractive tho in its current form, with the nose and teeth changes being sufficient changes to make it attractive to most.
Them nips are a bit too weirdly deformed with some thick lines, I'd say mostly the left one tho, the right one looks similar to some of the big nipped hentai or western comic porn, but it might be shaded too harsh with the thick black lines, cant tell for sure tho since I'm a /beg/.
With those being changed she would be pretty attractive I'd think for the most part, fetish is odd tho. A regular tentacle monster instead of a ghoulish slime would probably be more acceptable among coomers.

[Anonymous No.4702760]

>>4702684
She does seem a bit too square around the center desu yeah
A bit more curves or definition in the clothes to imply flow or something would look better

[Anonymous No.4702762]

HELP!

I know what I want to work on and what to draw despite my level, but I struggle with STARTING the actual session.

How do I trick myself into start drawing?

[Anonymous No.4702765]

>>4702762
Ask someone to have you draw something. I have a queue of things, that while I'm not working as commission (Because I'm no where near that level) helps keep the grind going. Since having a list is like a ticking clock.

[Anonymous No.4702771]

>>4702631
>>4702638
>>4702748
Thanks, anons! As I advance in my /beg/ness the more specific criticism is helpful.
And the slime thing isn’t THAT weird. I hope. I’ve seen others do it.

[Anonymous No.4702781]

>>4702771
Slime isn't bad desu, however you've usually got a female like slime or generic non living slime like that pic. Male slime is odd, a explicitly monster like slime that seems to be made ghoulish and revolting with little similarity to a human will take away from the sexiness.

[Anonymous No.4702824]

>>4702694
>>4702684
like this

[Anonymous No.4702837]

>recently started drawing within the last few weeks
>start with loomis
>get bored and move into trying to imitate eyes from artists on pixiv
>move back to loomis then try vilppu
>learn about drawabox
>try out drawabox
>250 boxes
>all the shit he wants you to do is boring
Fuck this shit i'd rather stick with vilppu and loomis

[Anonymous No.4702844]

>>4702837
drawabox is shit and the person who runs it is *really* not as good as he makes himself out to be. i recommend heavily against using it.
http://irshadkarim.com/ is his portfolio site

[Anonymous No.4702851]

>>4702837
you only use like 3 exercises from draw a box thats all you need

[Anonymous No.4702863]

>>4702434
Do you draw to get that pixelated look or run it through a filter?

[Anonymous No.4702877]

>>4702837
at least post a progress pic. this isnt /vent/.

[Anonymous No.4702882]

>>4702159
Thanks. What exactly approximates or validates a female jaw, is it just rounder and thinner?

[Anonymous No.4702895]

>>4702882
they aren't squares

[Anonymous No.4702896]

>>4702437
much better, even the pose is a bit more dynamic, now move onto the next thing and in the future dont get too caught up in one piece when youre a beginner

[Anonymous No.4702898]

>>4702726
feels like youre just tracing the outline rather than feeling the shapes and forms of the hand

[Anonymous No.4702900]

day 15, feeling a bit depressed today so just did a quick one so it doesnt bother me later, dont need replies i just have to post one a day so here i am

[Anonymous No.4702914]

Are there any somewhat reliable drawing pads in the <100 price range? I'm poorfag and beg I need something simple to start practicing digital

[Anonymous No.4702922]

>>4702914
paper and pencils are a whole lot cheaper, and there's nothing you can learn from digital art that you can't learn with pencil sketches. Except coloring, I guess, but that's trivial if you have mastered composition, linework, and shading already.

[Anonymous No.4702931]

>>4702844
His stuff looks so amateurish. How do I avoid this fate?

[Anonymous No.4702932]

>>4702900
felt like a bum so went back and did a proper one, thank you for reading my blog

[Anonymous No.4702938]

>>4702931
Draw every day and don't settle for "good enough," experiment with different styles, do studies of anything that you are planning to seriously draw whether it's people or backgrounds, iterate your drawings and find things to improve every time, don't be afraid to erase what you have and start over, look at how other people draw and paint and study their techniques, and lastly and arguably most importantly, don't ever think you've learned everything there is to know about art. There's always something new.

[Anonymous No.4702947]

>>4702898
Embarrassing. A friend of mine said the exact same thing. It's a habit I'm trying to break.

[Anonymous No.4702959]

>Not telling the furposter that his "art" looks like complete failure.

[Anonymous No.4702970]

>>4702931
Damn. I wish I was anywhere near that amateurish.

[Anonymous No.4702973]

>>4702959
Better to just ignore. They die without attention.

[Anonymous No.4702977]

>>4702947
its not embarrassing at all anon, at least youre out here trying to learn something and better yourself, everyone starts of somewhere and its how you deal with failure that defines you

[Anonymous No.4702980]

Welp, here I am guys. Some gesture practice up here.
No practice whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.4702982]

trying to have fun with vilppu

[Anonymous No.4702986]

Drew DA CHAD JOKAH real quick

[Anonymous No.4702987]

>>4702980
I am shocked and offended.

[Anonymous No.4702991]

>>4702986
looks like the venom jokah from the arkham games :D

[Anonymous No.4702994]

What the fuck is vilppu

[Anonymous No.4702997]

>>4702994
I wonder too.

[Anonymous No.4703003]

>>4702994
>>4702997
>they don't follow the teachings of our lord and savior Glenn Vilppu
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4703004]

>>4702987
Wishing good luck to your mental health.

[Anonymous No.4703050]

>>4702970
no you don't anon
his rendering is awful and every drawing has at least one blatant retarded mistake, he tries to hide his lack of underlying skill with rendering but does a poor job of it.

[Anonymous No.4703064]

>>4701976
>If everything about it is so bad how can it be in any way good?
It shows that you have a grasp on fundamentals. The volume, the light, you know your anatomy. Not perfectly of course but it's all there. So your image can be said to be competently made. It's just that you choose to use all your skills to draw an ugly hag being molested by a slime monster. Personally I'm very much in the camp for "girls being molested by monsters" but I prefer the girls to be attractive.

i'd say you need more life drawings, especially of faces and then to find a couple artists that you like and check out how they stylise faces.

[Anonymous No.4703088]

>>4703050
what the fuck is happening to that left arm. Wait I didnt even see that at first but what the actual fuck

[Anonymous No.4703097]

>>4703088
He draws boxes

[Anonymous No.4703106]

>>4702922
I want to start posting my drawings online

[Anonymous No.4703129]

>>4703106
So take a picture of the paper. Or get a scanner.

[Anonymous No.4703147]

>>4703129
I want to make a webcomic and from what I can see I can only fit 2 panels in an A4 page so in the long run a cheap drawing pad is a better option.

[Anonymous No.4703170]

>>4703147
You won't be getting anything decent with only a hundred buckazoids, friend. But if you really want one, go for an old refurbished wacom. They're not the best on the market but they are at the very least the easiest to get working on any computer. With other brands, they're not always that convenient as just plugging it in and commencing work.

[Anonymous No.4703177]

>>4703170
Yeah. For that price he can get one of the smaller screen less wacoms and that’s about it. Screens are a meme anyway.

[Anonymous No.4703206]

>>4702914
XP-Pen Deco01

youre welcome

[Anonymous No.4703214]

>>4703170
>>4703177
Thanks, yeah I don't mind screenless
>>4703206
That one looks great thank you

[Anonymous No.4703233]

>>4701937
you have a good eye but that reference was very hard to read already

[Anonymous No.4703235]

>>4702986
>I'm da Jokah, brah

[Anonymous No.4703253]

I don't really have time for more iterations.

[Anonymous No.4703254]

I've decided that I want to start learning, but I have no inspiration for what I want to draw. Where can I get good ideas for what to draw?

[Anonymous No.4703263]

>>4703254
Your penis!

[Anonymous No.4703267]

>>4703263
What happened to the anime who drew penis people a few days back? He was pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.4703282]

>>4703254
on 4chan, this board, fa fit stuff like that, i normally have my paper by my side and just browse like i normally do then when i see something cool i just draw it

[Anonymous No.4703304]

>>4703097
boxes are shit

[Anonymous No.4703307]

>>4702554
There are too many variables about clothes to say it has to behave a certain way. But there are a lot of qualities and behaviors that give the impression of cloth, like crumpling.

[Anonymous No.4703311]

>>4703254
just draw some cubes nstuff

[Anonymous No.4703317]

>>4702986
gachimuchi JOKAH, like it

[Anonymous No.4703337]

>>4702896
Thanks, I'll make sure to not be too focused on one piece. There's still a lot of room to improvement.

[Anonymous No.4703378]

>>4702051
I used to do these exercises a lot when I was starting out, they're fun as fuck, super simple and are great for building an innate sense for perspective. Here's something I used to do a lot too, not sure where I read about. It's just drawing some kind of vague organic blob shape and then drawing cross contour lines to describe the form. It's great for warming up and for when you're in the "don't know what to draw" mood. You can do just do the surface level lines like I've done here, or you can draw all the way through the form as if it were transparent.
For what you've done here, I don't think it would hurt to slap down a horizon line and draw this "contraption" in actual perspective, too.

[Anonymous No.4703386]

>>4702554
Why I can already tell that's Tomoko?

[Anonymous No.4703390]

>>4703337
Oh. One piss.

[Anonymous No.4703391]

Never painted b4 but i started today

[Anonymous No.4703392]

[Anonymous No.4703394]

[Anonymous No.4703400]

>>4702391
My drawing


Do you guys know how to make this? Or copy the rendering style??

[Anonymous No.4703404]

>>4702202
same here desu, what do? I'm only getting seriously invested, whenever something really bad happens in my life and I know I really have to start drawing.

[Anonymous No.4703418]

>>4703404
draw furries for muney

[Anonymous No.4703421]

>>4703404
draw f***ies for muney

[Anonymous No.4703435]

>>4703404
>>4702202
>>4703404
I read about something called urge surfing where when the urge to do some problematic behaviour comes up you just acknowledge it and continue doing what you're doing. It's just a little self control, man. Not to blow it out of proportion, but you may also have a video game/internet addiction if the craving is too invasive for you to ignore.
This video is about juggling, but it has some good advice within the first minute:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WRqpvVXM0k
>All you need to do is to keep picking the balls up every time you drop them. Don’t get bored, don’t give up, don’t go “oh, I wanna do something else.” Keep picking up those balls until your hands know how to juggle.

[Anonymous No.4703439]

>>4703400
I've seen some webms on rendering techniques similar to that style get posted to this board a couple of times but have never found actual resources. Maybe the best thing would be to look for an artist who renders like that and happens to stream their drawing process on twitch or something.

>>4703307
that looks so good. any book you recommend to learn to draw folds/drapery?

[Anonymous No.4703445]

>>4703435
Thanks anon, I know I've gaming addiction and overall procrastinating behavior. So your advice in general is just keep forcing yourself to do it? Well I've heard it a lot of times and I understand it quite well. I guess there's no other way.

[Anonymous No.4703460]

>>4703418
>>4703421
I actually wouldn't mind to do it, because I really need money, but I still got a lot to learn.

[Anonymous No.4703461]

Scene from Forbidden Planet

[Anonymous No.4703478]

Critique me so I can escape beg, I need to improve, I feel like I can do so much better if I can find out what I'm lacking

[Anonymous No.4703484]

>>4703478
5head

[Anonymous No.4703490]

>>4703478
It looked ugly from the distance, but when I clicked on the pic it looked pretty alright besides the 4head also maybe make eyebrows more defined? Shoulders are not shown either, but don't take my critique seriously please. I'm only novice.

[Anonymous No.4703517]

REMINDER TO RESIZE YOUR SHIT

[Anonymous No.4703522]

>>4703478
I think it would look better if you move both eyes slightly to the left

[Anonymous No.4703528]

my first try at drawing pose.

She is supposed to lean on the wall.
I did not use any reference .

Can someone redline it?

[Anonymous No.4703532]

>>4703478
Quick edit. Her head is kinda bulbous so I took some from the top. Her eyes were placed weirdly so I moved them, resized the right eye because it was too small, re-angled the left eye a bit, and also changed the face shape slightly. Also I was trying to just color over the nose because red tumblr noses are disgusting but I accidentally erased a bunch of lines so I just redrew a different one. I can't quite tell if you're going more for anime or western, most of this feels western but the eyes and the general face shape look anime to me. I don't think your art is terrible though, just make sure when you're drawing faces to get everything at the same perspective.

[Anonymous No.4703548]

>>4703528
lower back needs to be way more flat and foreshortened

[Anonymous No.4703550]

>>4703528
use ref

[Anonymous No.4703553]

>>4703528
>Can someone redline it?
literally go to softporn websites until you find the closest pose and use that as your redline

[Anonymous No.4703561]

>>4703528
reminds me of pic related. just use reference bro, try to draw it again from memory after that if you're trying to get good at drawing from imagination

[Anonymous No.4703565]

>>4702539
eh i'd fap to the ginger

[Anonymous No.4703573]

>>4703478
I changed a lot, but this is what I would do different. I can't tell how old this character is supposed to be. I assumed you were going for an older female and not a very young one. Her eyes are very large for a woman, and her right eye is probably way larger than you intended for it to be. I think her jaw should be further down, when peoples mouths open their jawline changes

[Anonymous No.4703581]

Loomis pg 34

[Anonymous No.4703584]

>>4703561
which videogame is she from and if she's real whats her name

[Anonymous No.4703586]

>>4703581
I have the same eraser :-)

[Anonymous No.4703588]

Started Vilppu's anatomy videos today, starting with feet. Took a bunch of notes, tried to follow with his drawings, then tried another from a ref. Tried to F E E L the F O R M but a lot came out looking weird, and I also go over the same lines too many times a lot and my drawings look really sloppy. Trying to get better.

[Anonymous No.4703590]

>>4703586
Let's be eraser besties, anon

[Anonymous No.4703598]

>>4701872
my first exploration into the digital artworld.

how did i do guys?

[Anonymous No.4703603]

>>4703598
looks like ink

[Anonymous No.4703604]

>>4703598
extreme /beg/. Atleast 2 years before you even get to int. /s

dude your art is actually really nice. Keep up the good work

[Anonymous No.4703607]

>>4703584
gotcha senpai https://twitter.com/jeanwanwan/status/1271512633540313089

[Anonymous No.4703609]

>>4703598
pretty cool ska vibe, would use a sticker of this design on a cool tiki juice bar or skateboard deck

[Anonymous No.4703611]

>>4702202
Get into game developing and draw stuff for games

[Anonymous No.4703614]

>>4703604
thanks mate,appreciate it!

[Anonymous No.4703615]

>>4703609
>ska
thanks anon!

[Anonymous No.4703632]

>>4703607
the sauce god

[Anonymous No.4703634]

above figures are 1min
below are 2min

observations:
-drawing fast is fucking hard
-i can never ever get the head size right first try for some reason
-kinda feel like i need to draw from imagination or at least memory to get better but can't bring myself to do it because every time I do it looks like complete ass, very discouraging to look at
-missing hands and feet because i usually leave em for last and run out of time

[Anonymous No.4703655]

>>4703634
Those gestures are pretty nice, especially for 1-2 mins. I think the more successful drawings here are the ones with the more expressive lines, I really get the impression that you just went at it the pose. The hands on knees drawing on the top and the back view in the bottom middle especially.
I think you really gotta push yourself to do those drawings from imagination. Putting if off now because they "look bad" will only hurt you in the long run. You're not gonna get better at them by NOT drawing them. At least try learn to laugh at your bad drawings instead of getting discouraged. Draw a few quick poses from memory and post them here

[Anonymous No.4703657]

>>4703378
Oh I know that one, Peter Han teaches it in Dynamic Sketching 1, really good exercise too.

>I don't think it would hurt to slap down a horizon line and draw this "contraption" in actual perspective
You're right, I should have done that to begin with, thanks for the tip

[Anonymous No.4703675]

>>4703634
fucking talentfag

[Anonymous No.4703683]

>>4702982
Looks nice, keep at it, anon

[Anonymous No.4703693]

Been practicing figures from imagination while working with Hampton's book. What do you guys think? Any advice?

[Anonymous No.4703704]

>>4703655
>Draw a few quick poses from memory and post them here
its almost 3am here so i will do it tomorrow. good night /beg/

[Anonymous No.4703733]

help especially with hair no clue how to draw that thing

[Anonymous No.4703734]

>>4703484
Forehead is way too long, I agree, face proportions is a necessity
>>4703490
The shoulders exposes my lack of anatomy, will heed
>>4703522
face is awkward, placement of eyes need to be improved
>>4703532
Her face is bulbous and her eyes are definitely wack, shows a clear need for perspective implementations
>>4703573
Wow, way better, will keep in mind of the eyes and jawline.

Thank you for the criticism

[Anonymous No.4703766]

>>4703734
you are not drawing the eyes where they should be. that little dent you draw in the skull? that's one of the bones which make up the eye socket in humans. this bone basically houses the eye, its structured in that way. If that indent is visible, the eye should be very close to it.

what you're doing is kind of like how a lot of artists will draw womens breasts more visible that they should be when they are facing certain ways, its a form of symbol drawing because your brain wants to draw these things but you dont know enough so the brain makes a best guess. and you can do this by the way, you can do for stylistic purposes move body parts around. but do this when you have a better idea of fundamentals

[Anonymous No.4703767]

[Anonymous No.4703775]

>>4703693
Michael Hampton's Analytical Figure Drawing (CGMA) - https://mega.nz/#F!8qA2FLDQ!9ADn1WRz-YcH7H9M3i11dg

[Anonymous No.4703819]

For loomis study, I shouldn't be drawing the eyes, brows, mouth and nose should I since I've not studied those by themselves yet correct? I'm thinking that since I'm doing that I'm going to really mess myself up since that's imagination drawing.

Or am I over thinking?

[Anonymous No.4703820]

Hi.
Critique, please! :^)
How's my skeleton looking so far?

[Anonymous No.4703823]

>>4703819
Just draw bro you'll correct them later

[Anonymous No.4703827]

>>4702539
The nipples need work dude. Looks like a wad of gum.

[Anonymous No.4703832]

>>4702011
really good dude, i wish i had that level of self-critique as you

i legitimately thought that was fallout concept art at first

[Anonymous No.4703840]

>>4703827
Maybe the creature just finishing chewing on them?

[Anonymous No.4703842]

>>4703823
>correct it later
That seems like a really bad idea.

[Anonymous No.4703844]

>>4703820
Dang, I've been posting this for a while and nobody has anything to say? Guess I'll just keep doing my thing... ecks dee

[Anonymous No.4703847]

>>4703842
I don't see why

[Anonymous No.4703854]

>>4703820
>>4703844
head looks odd in shape

[Anonymous No.4703856]

>>4703847
That's like saying you'll construct an entire car, then fix the kinks later on after everything's installed and put together.

That's like saying you'll build an entire tower without checking the blueprints, then fix it when it starts teetering over.

[Anonymous No.4703858]

>>4703854
Yeah, it's not a perfect circle and it's also looking slightly upward. Redline what you're referring to.

[Anonymous No.4703867]

>>4703858
she has like a 1head

[Anonymous No.4703869]

>>4703867
>1head
??
I'm being meme'd. I'm gonna go back to drawing and stop wasting my time. lmao

[Anonymous No.4703871]

>>4703856
Well you're not making a finished piece, its just practice, when you get to study those parts specifically you'll know what you did wrong in the past drawings and correct it but you can leave it blank if you want I don't think it really matters

[Anonymous No.4703876]

>>4703820
>>4703844
Warning, /beg/inner giving advice.
The biggest thing is the head. Your face plane is more front-on than it should be. Also yeah, the face is too big which makes the forehead tiny. I think the ear might be too small but I'm shit at ears so don't take my word on that one.

[Anonymous No.4703878]

Are there any good tutorials for drawing heads with a square to start out instead of the loomis ball?

[Anonymous No.4703880]

>>4703869
ego too big kek

[Anonymous No.4703881]

>>4703871
That's such a waste of time, man.
Why not get it right as you go along, so you have something to refer to?
What's with you guys and this weird obsession with being able to look back on the past and compare the present?

[Anonymous No.4703883]

>>4703819
You’re overthinking, just draw them in anyway. Make them look bad. You gotta get all your bad drawings outta you so you can start making good drawings.

[Anonymous No.4703884]

>>4703880
Bro, I asked you to explain and all you did was use retard-tier language and you didn't even redline. Fuck off wasting my time, pothead.
>>4703876
Redline for me.

[Anonymous No.4703886]

>>4703881
I don't even know if you're the same anon but he specifically said that he didn't know how to draw those parts yet so he's not gonna get it right that same time because he's not focusing on that, to that I said that it didn't matter to just draw as he can. I'm not talking about comparing I was saying that when you finally get to study something you'll know what to change in the way you currently draw

[Anonymous No.4703891]

>>4703884

[Anonymous No.4703892]

>>4703886
ok I see
We probably got posts mixed up. That makes sense. The way I'm learning this is to study each part bit by bit as I draw a picture, then piece it all together. I'm probably not getting it all right either, but it's helping me so that I don't have this thing hanging over my head where I know I could've changed some things and I now can't because I've built too many features upon it.

[Anonymous No.4703895]

>>4703891
Oof. I see what you're getting at, but, my head's looking upward. The Loomis circle I'm using is tilted upward so yeah: you're gonna see less forehead because of the perspective.

[Anonymous No.4703899]

I appreciate your attempts to critique, but... I think I've made a mistake in asking. lmao

gl guys

[Anonymous No.4703900]

>>4703820
First piece of advice: Take better pictures if you're gonna post here, I had to bump down the brightness and up the contrast to be able to see what the fuck I was looking at. Secondly: Learn the loomis method for heads, you almost have the lines right, but your features are placed really fucking weird. Your eyes are up at the hairline, your nose at the brow ridge, and the mouth where the nose goes. Watch Proko's video on Loomis heads, he explains it pretty well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAOldLWIDSM

[Anonymous No.4703901]

>>4703895
ok but the issue is she doesn't look like shes looking upwards, her features are dead on and the top of her head looks like its concaving in, why come ask for advice to repeatedly and then when you get it you act like its perfect? youve draw like 10 figures in your life act humble youre killing the vibe of the thread

[Anonymous No.4703902]

>>4703900
yeah this is what im trying to tell him, his eyes are too far down so she doesnt looks like shes looking up

[Anonymous No.4703903]

>>4703899
the only time critique here is good is when a random /int/ wanders into the thread and helps like three people then disappears

[Anonymous No.4703924]

>>4703895
Anon, the head you've drawn has no tilt at all. If the figure is supposedly looking up so far that their forehead is disappearing then you should be seeing the underside of their chin, and the construction lines need to be angled appropriately. What you've drawn is the exact same thing you would draw for a 3/4 view of someone looking straight ahead.

[Anonymous No.4703939]

>>4703901
Bro. Chill. I already figured out what the issue was and fixed it. You're offended that I didn't take your criticism. Don't get salty, man.
>>4703900
Bro, it's a phone, not a digital camera. What do you want me to do? And I did use the method. It's obvious that I did. I just angled the vertical line on the side circle the wrong way and I fixed it. On top of that, I've been watching Proko's videos. That's how I've even gotten this far. lmao
You guys get hella butthurt when someone disagrees with your criticism... You gotta realize that not all criticism is gonna be accepted when you don't know what the artist is trying to do. Everyone calm down.
>>4703924
Yeah, I saw it when I looked over my side circle for the side plane and realized my vertical axis was straight up and down for some reason. I don't know how that happened. Does it look better now?

[Anonymous No.4703942]

>>4703939
I might still need to adjust the chin, though... Probably needs to be moved up a bit.

[Anonymous No.4703950]

>>4703939
It still looks wrong but you're being a faggot so I'm not helping you again.

[Anonymous No.4703954]

>>4703950
this, i want to redline it so bad just to make him stfu but im not going to help this faggot

[Anonymous No.4703958]

>>4703950
>>4703954

Man, I tried being polite, but fuck you all too. I got this far without you, and I'll go further. Retarded fucking narcissists can't handle a different opinion and think everyone's supposed to agree with everything all the time. Suck a nigger dick. I still figured it out, asshole.

If you had just redlined it in the first place like I asked, none of this shit would've had to go down like this. You fucking crab faggots. lmao

[Anonymous No.4703961]

>>4703958
the irony in this post is crazy, i hope in 5 years you think back and cringe at how you behaved, for your own good, peace im going to bed

[Anonymous No.4703962]

>>4703958
>I still figured it out, asshole.
Sure doesn't look like it lmao. You are perma/beg/ at this rate.

[Anonymous No.4703963]

I redid my other drawing but using boxes and trying harder. I can't fucking draw faces, or the body from behind, or the body from high/low angles but other than those 3 things what should I work on.

[Anonymous No.4703965]

>>4703961
Good night, shit stain. I'll be doing my thing while you jerk yourself off over how much you crabbed out in a /beg/ thread.

Irony, my ass. I ask for help and ask for a redline and you do the literal opposite. You're the ones that can't handle criticism. You think you know everything and you fucking don't. Peace.

[Anonymous No.4703967]

>>4703962
Crab harder, nigga.
You said that shit 3 weeks ago and I'm still improving. :^)
Wipe off your cheeto dust and get back to jerking it to pedo porn as usual.

[Anonymous No.4703968]

>>4701872
I get super embarassed and/or stressed when I'm drawing and it doesnt go anywhere.

I had no ref for this.

But I just kind of broke down out of embarassment, feeling hot in the face and just awful.

I don't know where to go in this, or what to develop next, or what to even DO next.

What kind of things can help me get past both these feelings, but more importantly, the lack of direction I feel? It's like I don't even know what to do next in this. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.4703980]

>>4703963
big improvement anon very nice

[Anonymous No.4703987]

>>4703968
It all depends on what your goals are. You have a drawing of a head so I'm assuming, like most people, you want to draw portraits and figure drawings? There's a shit ton of resources out there for learning both of those, and some really helpful videos in the video course thread. >>4654003
Unfortunately there's no shortcuts to doing stuff like this proficiently, but if you want some direction I'd recommend picking a course that sounds good from the list and trying it out. I used to do meandering drawings that went nowhere for a long time until I started actually studying what I wanted to draw and it helped me tremendously ("just draw" is a fucking meme, a lot of people learn nothing but how to dig themselves into a comfort zone with "just draw"). The best thing you can do about those feelings is set more realistic goals for yourself. No one becomes a great artist overnight, they all had to learn gradually like everyone else. Start by learning to draw basic shapes, I know it sounds retarded, but you'd be surprised at how some people can't draw a proper cube in perspective, or a cone, or whatever. I think Keys to Drawing covers stuff like that (I haven't read that one myself though). Once you learn that, you can learn stuff like gesture if your goal is to draw people, which is actually pretty easy to learn and will help your art a lot if you take the time to practice it. There's usually a couple people lurking her that help anons with their gestures and figure drawing as well.

>>4703967
Kill yourself you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.4703989]

>>4703968
wtf. Why. Like do you get turned on drawing are people watching you draw. Does the thought of posting get you? How in the world is this even a thing.
Is this bait. Look at reference and draw jeez.

[Anonymous No.4703990]

>>4703884
Looking at all your hypocritical messages I must say that redlining for you would be extremely counter productive. Just go practice heads with iterative drawing. Go Watch Proko's video. If you cannot think for yourself you are not an adult, atleast mentally. If people here dont help you out then go and find simple videos that explain these things better than anyone in this thread can. You are either a complete child-minded adult, or you are, infact, a child.

The fact the first thing you do is jump to insults is what makes me believe this as well. Let's see how you respond to this.

[Anonymous No.4703991]

>>4703987
You first, asswipe.
Rope yourself with your own intestine, you pretentious turd of a human. Crabs like you belong in a boiling pot.

[Anonymous No.4703992]

>>4703968
>i'm drawing and it doesn't go anywhere
this shouldn't happen. as a /beg/ your drawing should either be basic exercises with a specific goal (construction, proportion, perspective, anatomy, line weight and consistency, etc) or drawings of things that interest you conceptually.
just doodling, without a goal in mind and without implementing the tools you've learned from whatever book/course you follow, will mean you have nothing to compare your work to whether that's a reference or mental image. you will not improve, and your art will not satisfy you. do not doodle, draw with intent.

[Anonymous No.4703996]

>>4703963
Looks a lot better! I think general anatomy study would help you a lot, especially the limbs and hands. The pose is ok but if your goal is to make more dynamic stuff you should learn about gesture as well.

[Anonymous No.4703997]

>>4703990
>they again tell me to do things I've clearly already done and just need guidance on

I don't have time for your moralizing or self-aggrandizing bullshit. The fact that you won't redline tells me all I need ot know. If you had anything worthwhile to say or do or any intention to help, you'd have done it long ago. You deserve the insults, you self-smelling asshole. Get fucked.

[Anonymous No.4703999]

>>4703939
anon.. d-did you try uploading the.. the same image twice??? What did you change here

[Anonymous No.4704000]

>>4703968
>I get super embarassed and/or stressed when I'm drawing and it doesnt go anywhere.
You need to relax and not expect anything of your drawings, while simultaneously pushing yourself. Or basically, lower your standards but increase your effort in practicing.

[Anonymous No.4704002]

>>4703987
the duality of man in one post

[Anonymous No.4704003]

>>4703997
stop being a cunt and people will help you. come back next thread with a more productive attitude and you'll probably get a redline on whatever you post.
>self-smelling asshole
reddit-tier insult

[Anonymous No.4704006]

>>4703958
read loomis

[Anonymous No.4704009]

>>4703999
I changed the temperature on the stove. Boiling crabs takes precise application of heat!
>>4704003
>stop being a cunt
Stop projecting and I will. My first post asking for help was met with some retarded "1head" response, like wtf does that even tell me? I ask for a redline and I get a meme post? I tell you guys to relax and you get offended. Fuck off with this shit, man. lmao

You never had the intent to redline. You never had to intent to help. You never cared to assist. You're a waste of time. You're a crab.

[Anonymous No.4704010]

>>4704006
dude this is a BLUE line and he specifically requested a RED line
stop trolling

[Anonymous No.4704011]

>>4704000
>>4703968

oh thats fucked I actually had the same problem before. I got over it though because I became better at managing my OCD. Not gonna try to be anono-doctor, but do you know if you have OCD? Atleast for what happened to me, I obsessively compulsed over a small piece of the art and would not stop working on sometimes a singular damn line for a full 2 minutes sometimes, hell even more until it looked perfect to me.

[Anonymous No.4704014]

>>4704010

[Anonymous No.4704015]

>>4704006
>>4704010
>>4704014
Make sure you wipe off the cum from each others' chins.

[Anonymous No.4704016]

>>4704009
someone made a humorous post pointing out your head construction lacked proper skull structure, specifically that it had no forehead (is "1head" really so hard to grasp when the word for the bit above the eyes is "forehead?"). not our fault you're illiterate and angry.

[Anonymous No.4704021]

>>4704009
You already got redlined and you said it was "wrong" because you thought we read your mind and knew you wanted the head to be looking up. You've been acting like a retard the entire time.

[Anonymous No.4704024]

>>4703996
>I think general anatomy study would help you a lot, especially the limbs and hands.
That's about what I expected. I've done a lot more studying with the torso than the limbs, so I'm not surprised to hear I should focus more on those. Where should I look for studying the hands though? I've done more studying on them than the limbs but I'm having a hard time grasping it.
>The pose is ok but if your goal is to make more dynamic stuff you should learn about gesture as well.
Ok, thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.4704026]

>>4704009
that exact piece of advice was given earlier in the thread ( >>4703484 ) and the person who recieved it immediately understood (>>4703734 ).
this is just you being retarded.

[Anonymous No.4704028]

>>4704016
>i-it's not our fault you don't understand our gen-z lingo!
Stop pretending that any of you actually know what the fuck you're talking about and actually have intent to assist people. You're sad people lying to those that are obvious garbage, and tearing down people that are obviously doing well. Go back to your LGBT discord.
>>4704021
I specifically said twice that I wanted the head looking up and you still acted like you knew better. Fuck off, asshole. You're pretentious, snooty people with fuck else to do with your lives but meme around on a board full of people trying ot get ahead.

[Anonymous No.4704032]

>>4703968
try to have some idea of what your drawing is about. write one or three sentences that would describe it or are related to it. do some thumbnail sketches before actually starting your drawing. consume art and save the ones you like to your inspiration folder. hope it helps.

[Anonymous No.4704036]

>>4704026
>someone else understood my lingo, therefore I reasonably can expect everyone else in the world to understood, too!
I bet $50 you don't understand ebonics.
Stop wasting my fucking time. You're an asshole. Deal with it.

[Anonymous No.4704037]

>>4704006
>>4704028

its literally looking up what more do you want

[Anonymous No.4704045]

>>4704028
>>4704036
Oh, so you're /pol/. That makes sense, you can go back now.

[Anonymous No.4704048]

>>4703461
The gun looks great. Also that's my favorite movie

[Anonymous No.4704049]

>>4704024
>Where should I look for studying the hands though?
Honestly I haven't done any big anatomy study myself but everyone always seems to recommend Michael Hampton for anything anatomy. https://mega.nz/folder/8qA2FLDQ#9ADn1WRz-YcH7H9M3i11dg
It looks like this course goes over, gesture, anatomy, and head construction so it might be a good place to start.

[Anonymous No.4704052]

>>4704011
>but do you know if you have OCD
Not other anon but I spent my entire childhood getting up to check to make sure light switches were off even though I could obviously see they were off, and don't get me started on making sure alarm clocks were switched on. Turns out you don't need an alarm clock when you stay awake all night checking to make sure they are switched on. Fun times.

[Anonymous No.4704053]

>>4704045
>hurr durr /pol/tard! hyuck hyuck
Goddamn, is this all you faggots do? Just call everyone not YOU a frequenter of [insert board name here] as if that even means shit?
Wtf does this have to do with my art sketch? Nothing. Nothing at all. You're here to cause drama and be a bitch and nothing more.

[Anonymous No.4704058]

>>4704053
No it's just always easy to tell because you guys have a persecution complex bigger than the statue of liberty and always bring up the meaningless demographic insults out of nowhere.

[Anonymous No.4704060]

>>4704049
Ok, thanks anon. I'll check it out.

[Anonymous No.4704064]

>>4704053
Imagine how much you could improve by just drawing instead of being retarded on /ic/

[Anonymous No.4704065]

>>4704058
Why are you accusing me of doing what you literally just did?
This is why people don't need to be listening to you. You're so far out of the range of self-awareness. I'm at least still drawing in between my responses. You? I guarantee you're doing fuck-all right now.

[Anonymous No.4704068]

>>4704064
Funny you just posted that as I posted this:>>4704065

The only people being retarded here are you fucks pretending you have intent to help people when you don't and get butt-scarred when you get called out on it. Pretentious fuck.

[Anonymous No.4704070]

>>4704009
>>4703939
I saw that you said you've improved in the last 3 weeks you've been here? What were your last works that led to your current piece? Just post them

here's the redline too,

[Anonymous No.4704072]

>>4704070
also need to say the edge of the chin of my redline is off and should be pushed in more, but you get the point

[Anonymous No.4704075]

>>4704072
>>4704070
Actually here it is fixed.

[Anonymous No.4704076]

>>4704068
you literally did get help though
>how's my skeleton looking?
>head looks odd
>yeah, these are aspects of it that i recognize need improvement. redline? (plenty of people post verbal critique without redline, don't ever expect one)
>her forehead is small in comparison with the rest of her head
>???? stop wasting my time lmao

[Anonymous No.4704079]

>>4704070
No problem. And it wasn't any thanks to any of the shitheads posting right now.
This one is from 6-14.

[Anonymous No.4704081]

>Coomis

[Anonymous No.4704083]

>begin practicing about a week ago
>watch some vilppu stuff and follow along with his vids a couple days ago on gestures
>try to do some quick gesture drawings today on a 60 second timer
>everything looks about like this
Drawing is hard and I don't understand what I'm doing or how Vilppu shits out a person by feeling the movement of the gesture. Maybe I should skip gesture day and start working on some other shit.

[Anonymous No.4704085]

>>4703958
>>4703939
>>4703820
I got to this post kinda late so now everyone's already done some pretty good drawovers, but hopefully this is still a little helpful. it might help to think of the front of the head as a flat plane or a box so all the features line up nicely. right now some of your guidelines sorta go in opposing directions (see upper left drawing). it's pretty close though, I think whatever changes you made/people suggested helped it a lot. there are also some fun overlaps you can get with the nose and the eyes to can sell the angle, but that comes more with studying from reference and all that.
I think the rest of the skeleton/body works fairly well, it seems really solidly constructed based on whoever you're studying from. if you're not already, you should do some figure drawing while applying the construction methods you've learned to the pose

[Anonymous No.4704086]

>>4704070
Compare it to this (I've made changes during this whole bullshit back-and-forth).

[Anonymous No.4704090]

>>4704083
gesture isn't a great idea to do early on before you have a decent handle on construction so you can at least visualize body structures in your head, it looks deceptively simple but you need to have a decent feeling for how the human body balances in order to pull it off well. i'd say work on more technical stuff and then come back to gesture later, and don't start with such short times either.

[Anonymous No.4704095]

>>4704085
I figured he was trying to do a below view, but according to the body it would be a straight forward view. I will use the info you posted later on in my draw career. Thanks anon! (Not the guy you replied to btw. If it werent already obv)

[Anonymous No.4704098]

>>4703820
>Head
>Loomis
>Sphere
NGMI
KEK

[Anonymous No.4704099]

>>4704083
I'll agree with >>4704090 partially and say don't do 60 sec gestures as a complete beginner. Vilppu even recommends going slow at first and really figuring it out. Obviously he can go fast, he's a fucking pro and has been doing it for longer than you've existed. I'd say you could feasibly work on stuff like basic perspective and proportions first. I think the Vilppu drawing manual goes over drawing little box figures at first, which should be a lot easier for a beginner than trying to do a quick gesture then building forms over it.

[Anonymous No.4704100]

>>4704085
Thank you so much. I'll keep working at it and your pic-related is showing me a lot of what I'm getting wrong.
>>4704095
Bro, you can have a straight forward body and justtilt your head upward as if you're noticing something in the sky or whatever.
But, by all means keep being a snarky little "I'm-a-better-person-than-that-guy-teehee" shit like the fag you are. Fucking Twitter "uwu" asshole.

[Anonymous No.4704102]

>>4703819
>>4704098

[Anonymous No.4704103]

>>4704083
60 second gestures are extremely difficult for beginners, and even very strong artists can have difficulty with them. You have no foundations with which to draw the body, and anything you have studied is hard to apply in such a short time frame. 10-30minute poses might yield better results.

I dunno if you play chess at all, but chess games have similar time constraints to gesture drawing. Imagine just starting out playing chess, learning what all the pieces do, and then playing a game with a time constraint of 60 seconds (bullet chess). You have no time to analyze the position, think about the moves or which moves to even play - you'll learn basically nothing, just randomly moving pieces around until the time runs out or you get checkmated. 10 or 15 minute games can be much more instructive and will allow you to start seeing patterns and applying concepts that you've studied in a much less intense environment.

[Anonymous No.4704105]

>>4704098
>Every human has a perfect spherical head in reality!
I'll make it and I'll be better than you could ever imagine, you fucking crab. Neck yourself with your own intestines.

[Anonymous No.4704110]

>>4704105
>Every human has a perfect spherical head in reality!
KEK
NNGMI

[Anonymous No.4704113]

>>4704100
I thanked him for useful information, clearly showing I am not as advanced as him. How can you be such a bipolar and unthankful dickwad? Also why the fuck would you be practicing full body positions with an upward tilted head? Practicing a basic body face is what you should be doing first and I only assumed thats what you we're doing because thats what beg's do, anon.

Infact, not only did I clearly put myself under him, removing my ego (unlike you, who needs to get fucking gut wrenched by life to lose his ego) but I said thanks to him and that I would use what he said to improve myself. How far down this schizophrenic delusion are you? Go to therapy or fix whatever the fuck is going on in life to make you a shitty person

[Anonymous No.4704115]

>>4704105
For future reference, please don't demand a redline - asking for one is fine, but pushing for that repeatedly and especially using insults in doing so is not a good look. Lots of people give purely verbal critique, whether because they lack the skill to do an effective redline, don't have the time, don't think one is necessary, don't own a tablet, etc. This doesn't invalidate their critique, and saying your time is wasted in response to good-faith comments is a great way to make sure you don't get your work critiqued productively.

[Anonymous No.4704121]

>>4704090
>>4704099
>>4704103
Thanks lads. I guess i'll try checking further about some vilppu stuff or look for something involving perspective, proportions, and whatever else is considered "start here" material.

When i eventually get back to gestures I'll be sure to not start at 60 seconds and give myself more time.

[Anonymous No.4704127]

>>4704102
Why are you linking that to me?

[Anonymous No.4704138]

>>4703958
brainlet wojak

[Anonymous No.4704141]

>>4703832
>i legitimately thought that was fallout concept art at first

Thanks, anon! I used the artbook as reference so maybe that's why you saw a similarity

About the self-critique part, I think a lot comes with sincerity, not just about your work, but with yourself. Finding and accepting your flaws and all that thing.

Althought practice helps a lot with it too, I don't think I'd be able to spot those errors some months ago

[Anonymous No.4704142]

>>4702824
That is so good. How do you do that?

[Anonymous No.4704174]

[Anonymous No.4704181]

Give some insight

[Anonymous No.4704182]

>>4703961
I'm pretty sure this guy is a schizo who has been here before. I remember him posting some fucked up symbol drawn face and getting incredibly aggressive (muh style ramblings, calling people narcissists again,etc) when he got critique.
>>/ic/thread/S4643730#p4644061

[Anonymous No.4704199]

>>4704181
the main utility of drawing people as boxes is usually practicing perspective, so drawing the one on the left as an orthographic profile isn't really helping you with anything unless you haven't learned any other construction techniques and are just practicing proportion.
pretty solid work given the content, try challenging yourself with more dynamic poses.
the heads are decent, eyebrows and hairline on the right are slightly lopsided. feels like you're trying to avoid drawing eyes

[Anonymous No.4704236]

>>4704182
Can't tell if he's severely autistic or just someone who wants to troll from time to time. Christ almighty this gives me a fucking headache.

[Anonymous No.4704257]

>>4704182
I have a feeling like he's a giftfag though if that really is true. I dont want to expose myself as one but I am and I am the complete opposite of him. I dont pretend to be better than others and I feel bad for others. He's gotta get over himself or just leave these threads lol

[Anonymous No.4704271]

>>4703386
you've probably seen another of my posts here, my current abilities restrict me to drawing different versions of her and they give of a samey feeling

[Anonymous No.4704287]

The only thing that keeps me motivated is the idea of the things that I might be able to create

[Anonymous No.4704291]

>>4704287
Like giant robot anime babes

[Anonymous No.4704309]

Just felt like lightly scribbling something
stomach too short and face is messed up as I see it

[Anonymous No.4704311]

>>4704309
ref

[Anonymous No.4704314]

>>4704174
based

[Anonymous No.4704315]

First day back at my life sucking job... I work out in the heat and while I understand this is getting back to the "normal", I can't help but feel cheated when I was making double that payment at home and I had all of the time in the world to study and practice my drawing skills. I came home today and passed the fuck out in bed. This job is so fucking exhausting and I have to cope with the fact that now that its back to fulltime, my drawing practice time is now severely limited. Again, I know I should just be thankful I had time off and had the opportunity to grind drawing studies, and understand that I shouldve prepared for things to change eventually. Its just... fucking fustrating. I was making some good fucking progress with art, spending 5 hours a day learning different aspects of drawing, and I was learning a lot and I felt I was doing a good job. To make matters worse I am most likely going to have to get a second fulltime job on top of what I already have, so I can afford a new car since my old one wont last much longer. So while you can argue I can at least squeeze some drawing study after work as long as Im not dead ass tired (because studying while you're tired isnt a good idea), once I get two FT jobs ill hardly have enough time in the day to get a healthy amount of sleep. I know at the end of the day I just have to suck it up and do my best to work around my busy schedule. Im just really fustrated...

[Anonymous No.4704326]

>>4704287
iktf bro. One day I'll be able to draw the character designs I've been thinking of for years.

[Anonymous No.4704377]

>>4704315
looks like you need a cozy/bar thread bro. Go make one on /b/ if you need to and just discuss with the dudes. Life's tough but u gotta keep pushing through for that bittersweet freedom

[Anonymous No.4704378]

>>4704113
Used this as a reference
If 0 is object and 10 is no-longer /beg/
where is this?
I want to know if I've at least made any progress

[Anonymous No.4704383]

>>4704378
4 - 5, maybe 6

[Anonymous No.4704384]

>>4704378
>Used this as a reference
4/10

[Anonymous No.4704389]

>>4704377
i appreciate the comment. I really only know of/ use /ic/ since im not all over the place on 4chan. But ill check it out, and thanks for listening.

[Anonymous No.4704391]

>>4704389
np man. Just vent it out and gn bro :)

[Anonymous No.4704396]

>>4704383
>>4704384
Thank you, that gives me hope,
and makes me realize that improvement is possible for me

[Anonymous No.4704415]

>>4703693
Like it. Imo the boxer should be turning his upper body even more tho, is more realistic and also helps you practice to draw twists

[Anonymous No.4704419]

>>4704309
very nice, super well observed. the lost edge on the arm and the back are handled really well too

[Anonymous No.4704420]

Why does restatement matter? Usually if I make a wrong line I just redraw it and then erase the wrong line after

[Anonymous No.4704437]

>>4704419
Thanks you, anon

[Anonymous No.4704560]

>>4704311
Gave it another shot,
although maybe I missed somethings I didn't first time around

[Anonymous No.4704576]

Just been starting to do gestures.
I feel like I either go too far to where it just becomes basic construction, or it's just complete scribble (or somehow both)

[Anonymous No.4704580]

When will my scribbles become the correct scribbles.

[Anonymous No.4704635]

Rookie here.
Been drawing 2D for a "long" time now. Tried different techniques, instruments, yada.
Never produced anything an inebriated chimpanzee with Parkinson's disease couldn't (being a little self-critical here).

Just recently took up 3D sculpting. Very, very, VERY recently.
So, this picture. I did this. Me. Been working on this thing in Sculptris for a couple of sessions now.
100% from memory/imagination. No reference material of any kind (going to change that once I run into a dead end).

So:
What the hell is it about learning to draw in 2D that's so difficult (for me)?
Just a little while ago I could barely sculpt a fucking stick figure that actually looked like a stick figure and not a weird multi-pronged dildo.
And now I'm doing stuff like this....although the number of undos are off the charts. But still.

[Anonymous No.4704639]

>>4704635
hell of a lot harder to visualize form and perspective as a 2d representation than as a 3d replication, since your brain is already trained to think in 3d. modelling is way faster and easier than drawing for pretty much everyone, which is why so many industry 2d artists use it as a shortcut in their work.

[Anonymous No.4704640]

>>4704639
(it also looks an awful lot like you mirrored that, which obviously can't be done effectively in 2d media)

[Anonymous No.4704644]

>>4704639
>>4704640
Thank you. That helps putting things into perspective.

[Anonymous No.4704653]

>>4704644
it's still some pretty solid work and a very useful skill to have, definitely not trying to crab. less of a "3d art is trivial" and more of a "2d art requires fundamentally changing how you view things" - you should be proud of that work, but don't feel like you're somehow less than average in your ability to do 2d art. shit's hard, which is why there are so many courses on it and even relatively talented people spend several years of focused effort getting to a high skill level.

[Anonymous No.4704671]

>>4704653
I appreciate the insight. I guess I'm still amidst the process of figuring out what my actual talents are, and how I should invest my time to make the most of them.

[Anonymous No.4704745]

>He fell for the Procreate meme

[Anonymous No.4704896]

picking up again after months of nothing
fucked up the face shape but I can't fix it cause sai crashed when I went to save lol

[Anonymous No.4704917]

For anyone looking for a hard copy of Scott Robertson's How to Draw, the Book Depository has it on sale for less than 30 Yurobux, with free shipping worldwide.
Amazon has it for double the price.

[Anonymous No.4704921]

This is a drawing from memory without referecens, except for that half-leg because the muscles of the legs are hard af to draw, opinions?

[Anonymous No.4704924]

>>4702539
Her face looks like the bride of chucky

[Anonymous No.4704937]

>>4704182
>le schizo ecks dee
You can go get fucked, too, crab.
>>4704138
Did you use a mirror for that reference?
>>4704115
I didn't demand anything. If you're that sensitive to a request for a redline, then fuck off the /beg/ thread and let people with testicles give advice.
>they lack the skill to do an effective redline
Then, why are they giving criticism? Their verbal skills obviously sucked enough for me not to understand what they were talking about because forgive me if "haha 1head" doesn't tell me everything I need to know.
I don't care about "how I look" to a bunch of autistic anonymous crabs on 4chan. Fuck you all, for all I care. I came here asking for help and I get memes. Suck a dick.
>I thanked him for useful information, clearly showing I am not as advanced as him.
Yeah, so did I! You're not better than me, you moralizing fuckwit. Fume-huffing jackass talking down to me like you're a god to me.
>Practicing a basic body face is what you should be doing first and I only assumed thats what you we're doing because thats what beg's do, anon.
Right, because not only do you assholes assume shit without any prior knowledge, you also go around telling people what they "should" be doing like you know them better than they know themselves. How do you not see how much of an asshole you people are?

>I thanked him! I thanked him! It's almost like you didn't even look upwards by two fucking lines to see that I am capable of being humble WHEN PEOPLE GIVE ME USEFUL ADVICE. If your "criticism" is shit, I'm not going to just assume you know what you're talking about and say "ok, durr hurr, you're right!" I can think for myself, you empty-minded fool.

[Anonymous No.4704946]

how do you do studies?

[Anonymous No.4704948]

>>4704257
>I dont pretend to be better than others and I feel bad for others.
But, immediately before this, compared himself to me and moralized over how much better of a person he thinks he is than I am:
>I dont want to expose myself as one but I am and I am the complete opposite of him.

You're a delusional fuckwit pretending to be a good person when you're not. You like the smell of your own shit so much you look for opportunities to grandstand and backpat yourself even on anonymous board. You're useless for criticism.

[Anonymous No.4704953]

>>4704946
I always understood it to mean that you analyse a piece as you reproduce it.

[Anonymous No.4704967]

guys please please do not reposnd to this guy, the fact he got so much help in the first place is worrying to me, i come here because its nicer than /v/ or /pol/ and i do not want to see one person ruin these threads, please ignore him and dont feed the trolls

[Anonymous No.4704969]

>>4704967
man, fuck off
goddamn sensitive twink

You're not "worried" about anything. You're here to moralize and grandstand. Go back to discord. Nobody's trolling when they're here asking for advice. If you can't handle your "advice" being disagreed with, you don't need to fucking be here. This isn't a fucking safe space.

[Anonymous No.4704974]

Can someone help me fix this head and explain my mistakes to me? In theory I know how to do it but it just always looks odd. Guess I don't know after all.

[Anonymous No.4704976]

>>4704974
This is the poorest attempt at pretending to be a /beg/ asking for advice that I've ever seen.

[Anonymous No.4705001]

my cat

[Anonymous No.4705006]

TTRPG character/monster advice. The lady has kind of a weird face, but I tried making her nose hawkish and her eyes slightly walleyed to reminiscent of a parrot.

Main help ask is for the creature in the back. It's meant to be some kind of amalgamation of sea creatures into a kind of frankensteins monster. The bit I'm struggling most with is getting the centipedish like legs to look right and not wonky as shit. Also, I want to add a fringe/swimmy legs like a tomopteris, but I don't even know where to start with it... Every attempt doesn't look much like the mark I'm trying to hit.

I know it's really rough, but I'm trying to get the shapes figured out before cleaning up and starting on details, but I just can't get the shapes right. Any advice appreciated.

[Anonymous No.4705010]

>>4704921
I think you need to expand the abs a bit sideways and add some variety to them. Also it feels like the forearms are a bit small. The area between the throat and the chest is also a bit off..

[Anonymous No.4705014]

>>4704976
I'm not pretending anything believe me. So should I go to another thread then?
I don't really browse 4chan too much these days, only saw this thread and thought it's where I could ask for some feedback.

[Anonymous No.4705027]

>>4705014
Alright. What exactly are you trying to do with the head? Are you asking for advice regarding construction and feature placement? Or, are you asking for advice regarding dimensions and perspective?

[Anonymous No.4705051]

>>4705027
A combination I guess. I've included my constructional thoughts in the picture now.
When I look at this picture I notice there is something wrong with the left eye but I'm not sure on how to fix it. Also I think my placement is also kind of weird. Which shouldn't be the case since I'm trying to follow constructional guidlines..
I think it's mainly an issue of perspective though.

[Anonymous No.4705063]

>>4705051
What guide are you using/following when placing the facial features?
At first glance, it seems like the features aren't aligned with the rotation of the head's vertical axis. I think you need to shift everything over further left.

[Anonymous No.4705066]

>>4705006
I see. It looks like you're not placing the legs as if they're rotating and turning with the body of the creature, where the body twists. It seems like you have all of them hanging downwards, disregarding how the body is moving.

[Anonymous No.4705068]

>>4705051
It's also possible that the right eye is placed too far away from the bridge of the nose, which helps determine eye placement.

[Anonymous No.4705071]

>>4705006
Also, some legs shouldn't be visible, given the perspective of the viewer's sight. The ones on the left, in particular. They should be hidden behind of bulk of the creature's body, while more of them should be appearing as a continuation from where the bottom-right's rows of legs started.

[Anonymous No.4705081]

new because you all faggots are lazy cunts

>>4705079
>>4705079
>>4705079

[Anonymous No.4705082]

>>4704976
based permabeg

[Anonymous No.4705097]

>>4705063
>>4705068
No particular guide per se, just things I've picked up along the way to remember how to draw a head. I tried adjusting it a bit by moving it left and it looks better now. I don't know why I don't see such things myself though. Guess I need to practice perspective a bit more?

[Anonymous No.4705352]

>>4704948
Lol, I dont know if you're a better person than me or not. I did tell you that you need to have better self control though because it has made me a happier person and I haven't annoyed others around me because I focus on self control. Dude, just leave these threads please.

I wont respond anymore. Have a good life though I hope you solve whatevers goin on bud

[Anonymous No.4705541]

>>4704896
got a sauce on the reference bruv?