Level the FUCK UP

[Anonymous No.4692832]

OK listen up this is how you practice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXb-Y_kz2aU

Don't ever let me catch you drawing from imagination.

[Anonymous No.4692842]

>>4692832
>Don't ever let me catch you drawing from imagination.
Drawing from imagination was the best thing that has happened, being able to work with a concept you start from scratch and watch it take shape and form with every new step you cultivate is a feeling like no other. Copyfags and reference pussies will never know this feeling.

[Anonymous No.4692870]

>>4692842
Listen, I don't take advice from loliposters. Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.4692877]

>>4692870
Not every anime girl is a loli, idiot. Drawing from imagination is fun in a way drawing using references isn’t. It feels more free, and like it’s ok to make some mistakes.

[Anonymous No.4692889]

>>4692832
>vilppu advises newbies to draw from imagination and says it's a great way to learn
>has many successful students, is extremely good at inventing figures from his head, is widely respected as a teacher and artist, taught disney animators for many years
>ethan becker says to never draw from imagination ever
>his art looks like homogenous shit and he got fired from disney for being incompetent

[Anonymous No.4692898]

>>4692889
> he got fired from disney for being incompetent

sauce on this

[Anonymous No.4692914]

>>4692877
>Not every anime girl is a loli, idiot.
But Karen most certainly is.

[Anonymous No.4692924]

>>4692914
>karen
>loli

she is 17 anon

[Anonymous No.4692927]

>>4692924
She's tiny and flat. Ask anyone and they'll tell you that counts.

[Anonymous No.4692932]

>>4692832
Who the hell are you, and why should I care?

[Anonymous No.4692940]

>>4692927
Who cares, nerd

[Anonymous No.4692946]

>>4692924
Nobody cares about your generic bitch from anime number 273733838 million, go fuck yourself weeb piece of shit

[Anonymous No.4692951]

>>4692832
Do reference slaves actually enjoy drawing? I always feel like people here don't have fun drawing because they rely on references for everything.

[Anonymous No.4692999]

>>4692889
Who would win

80+ Years of drawing and teaching creating some of the most successful animators and painters vs Some random dude on yt who used to work at disney.

[Anonymous No.4693013]

>>4692832
>Ethan Becker
A severe case of Dunning Cruger.

[Anonymous No.4693308]

>>4692832
Stop shilling that goddamn channel.

[Anonymous No.4693331]

>>4692832
i'd rather not endup like that trash

[Anonymous No.4693334]

This is the worst drawing channel on youtube. Almost as bad as jazza.

[Anonymous No.4693338]

I don't think you can get far by imagination when you are a begginer.

[Anonymous No.4693352]

>>4693334
>this is the worst example of x
>almost as bad as an another example of x
you're not wrong but you're a retard

[Anonymous No.4693368]

>>4693334
Jazza is proof that being confident and extroverted plays a much bigger part in making it than technical skill.
The dude still shades with fucking grey.

[Anonymous No.4693403]

>4692951
im going to use kenz style of practicing a subject in a box in different angles to solve this issue of mines while using the base reference

[Anonymous No.4693419]

>>4692951
No they don't.
>started using references more regularly.
>Spend more time looking for reference than actually drawing.
>stop having fun.
>have an existential crisis and stop drawing entirely.
>realize drawing from imagination is way more fun and come back to art.

[Anonymous No.4693443]

What's funny is that, he's copying the reference wrong lmao.

Tracing the image teaches very little and his draw throughs contain little information. What you want to do is copy by eye, and instead of drawing exactly what you see, you want to invent the design as if it were your own. Sometimes slightly changing the rotation of the pose helps.

You don't want to copy 1:1, that's not the point. You want to break it down, by eye, and redraw the likeness and design. Yours should look better, not the same. And copying random animation clips is terrible since they usually don't pay much attention to detail and proper construction.

This will allow you to memorize the design by heart, and understand the process of drawing without the reference. You then want to draw it the next day without looking. This will allow you to remix the design from imagination and apply to your own art.

[Anonymous No.4693503]

>>4692832
Ethan is a faggot. At an art convention i walked in the restroom and there was a line of men in the restroom, i was like “wtf” so i looked ahead and there ethan was, squatting on the floor aagainst the wall letting another man pee in his mouth. after the man was done pissing in ethan’s mouth, ethan and i made eye contact and he said “i’ll be your sissy piss urinal, for only twenty dollars.” the next guy walked up and grabbed the sides of ethan’s face and said “silence whore” to which ethan replied “yes daddy, i’ll do anyth-“ but before he could finish his sentence he was gargling piss. i left the room, i didn’t have any cash on me.

admittedly this is before he got big on youtube, so no idea if he still does this but i’ve heard rumors. but still, the point is ethan is a faggot.

[Anonymous No.4693508]

>>4693503
true. i was there and i had to pee on his mouth.

[Anonymous No.4693535]

>>4692832
>hide thread

[Anonymous No.4693564]

Dumbasses doesn't know how to use refference lmao. U need refference to measure porportion and then u simplify the shit out of it. Now u can try drawing it from any angle.

[Anonymous No.4693586]

>>4693503
hot

[Anonymous No.4693620]

>>4692889
If I may.. It's just two phases of the same process. Reference is important to bring the idea together, fix mistakes and fill the information gaps, but it will choke the creativity out of you if you start off with it or you use it as the primary input. Imagination allows you to make a direct connection between what you draw and what you imagine but it's limited to the limited model of reality you have in your brain and tends to fall into conventions or a comfort zone.

[Anonymous No.4693729]

I'm unironically glad Ethan Becker is such a popular art youtuber nowadays, he will inspire a new generation of younger artists to develop bad habits and avoid fundamentals. Less competition for me to get in the industry.

[Anonymous No.4693779]

>>4693729
maybe this is true if you want to become an "artist" but if you want to get in the industry fundamentals are almost a burden
you're supposed to learn the pipeline shit and say yes, nobody gives a shit if you can make classical drawings in charcoal when you could just learn how to trace and get the same results with 1/10 of the training
if anything still doing art 'the old fashioned way' is a fucking meme, I realized this when I figured out that every other popular artist traces the fuck out of everything and can't draw for shit.

[Anonymous No.4693789]

>>4693729
The artist in his discord server draws better than most of /ic/, lmao.

[Anonymous No.4693807]

>>4692832
>got fired from disney
>now teaches others how to draw
So it's true that only the people who can't do it themselves end up becoming teachers.
Stop listening to these gay niggers and just draw.

[Anonymous No.4693810]

>>4692832
i like some of his videos but this one felt kinda useless

[Anonymous No.4693815]

>>4693807
Where did you get that info from?

[Anonymous No.4693827]

>>4692870
Okay, reference slave

[Anonymous No.4694026]

>>4693729
HOW DARE YOU COPY MY TACTIC?!
but fuck getting in the industry, soulless bugman prof.

[Anonymous No.4694031]

>>4692842
>>4692889
ik what u mean, anons.Gonna reference the terms on Sycra's iterative drawing vid and say that I am pretty sure I am 90% intuitive. First day of anatomy/gesture/figure practice I stumbled a bit and had trouble, then went to sleep with the thought in my head and decided to draw individual limbs instead in ethans lemon style, actually. I did 8 arms and 6 legs. Went to sleep imagining the human body flow, creating forms in my mind etc. Woke up the next day and said fuck it screw references and then started drawing like I've been practicing hardcore for 2 months.. I obviously still need tons more practice and iterative shit, and although I'm happy to be like this, I feel guilty for seeing others struggle so much compared to myself but oh well

[Anonymous No.4694224]

>>4694026
Studying animation so the industry is pretty much the way to go when you're starting, though ideally I'd like to go freelance once I gain enough experience/skill.

[Anonymous No.4694239]

>>4694031
So dumbed down, by drawing from imagination more and correcting mistakes, you made faster progress than reference slaves?

[Anonymous No.4694275]

if you need to learn how to literally trace, i think you are a hopeless case of ngmi

[Anonymous No.4694284]

>>4692870
I mean, loliposters wish they could fuck themselves

[Anonymous No.4694290]

so many crabs on this board it's amazing. I bet most of you are still make highschool level doodles without any understanding of perspective, form, anatomy, planes, or composition because you refuse to "trace" or use references.
Grow up, in the real world artists use references all the time. Hell, graphic designers constantly use references it's just the way good art is made. Sure, when you've got tens of thousands of pieces under your belt you might not need photos anymore but I promise you that no one here is at that level

[Anonymous No.4694291]

>>4694239
Yes, but the way Sycra says to do it is to create a simple pose that you can find online, but dont try to find a reference just yet. Create the pose, and do it maybe 3 times. Then go online, find a reference, and compare them to see what you did right and what you did wrong. Hide reference again and re create the figure again until it looks as close to the model as possible.

Essentially what you're doing is: Imagine if in DBZ, to go super saiyan, they had to eat a piece of candy that is not too hard to find but kind of sucks to go out and find. After that, they have to chew the candy in a certain way or it wont work for them

What you are doing is removing that need to use an external force to unlock your true potential, and like sycra says, you are essentially training your muscles to do all the thinking for you. It becomes instinct to draw muscle sctructure and anatomy, second nature, etc.

You literally become disabled if you rely on references too much. Also, drawing, no practicing from imagination is so much more fun because of how much freedom you have.

[Anonymous No.4694305]

>>4694290
references are good for starting out, then get rid of them and use the sycra method of learning when you have a decent grasp of human anatomy, then pick them up again when you have mastered intuition based drawing. I started practicing human anatomy a week ago, starting with gesture and then did my own fun things for a day or two, helping other /beg/'s out and I just today used a reference again (pic related) and would you look at that. unbelievable improvement compared to when I started and barely knew proportions.

[Anonymous No.4694329]

>>4694291
> Imagine if in DBZ, to go super saiyan, they had to eat a piece of candy that is not too hard to find but kind of sucks to go out and find. After that, they have to chew the candy in a certain way or it wont work for them
>wtf is that metaphor, kek

But I think I understand. Continuously reinforcing my intuitive sense of anatomy and proportion will make me improve

[Anonymous No.4694339]

>>4694329
Yeah that analogy was disgustingly garbage, but its just training yourself to instantly know how the human body looks from any angle, and then if it looks off, comparing it to IRL photos and doing simple fixes. Vilppu says this stuff too. You should never be trying to copy if you want to fully flesh out your art, you should be creative and if it looks off, compare

[Anonymous No.4694360]

>>4694290
Post your work

[Anonymous No.4694382]

>>4694360
I will openly admit that my drawing's from purely imagination aren't nearly as good.

[Anonymous No.4694468]

>>4694382
>G I R A F
I'm going to shame you for being naiive. Time to hit the books again anon. Go watch Sycras iterative drawing video and learn how to be intuitive.

[Anonymous No.4695121]

>>4692832
Why aren't more people talking about the fact Ethan used a sexualized picture of a 14 year old as the thumbnail of this video?

[Anonymous No.4695163]

>>4695121
If you think that her squeezing water out of her hair is sexual, you need help anon

[Anonymous No.4695168]

>>4695121
Anon I...

[Anonymous No.4695208]

>>4694382
Hey nothing a liquify tool and some cropping can’t fix...god I need to draw on paper again

[Anonymous No.4695233]

>>4692832
You can spot a Steve Ahn follower of a mile a way.

[Anonymous No.4695237]

>>4694382
Bruh

[Anonymous No.4695267]

>>4695208
Finally someone with balls to post their work when asked.

Proportions are pretty good, but I'd recommend to practise more the individual features of the head, because you lack some structure.

[Anonymous No.4695290]

>>4695208
Cute edit but that's not the woman I was drawing.
>>4695267
I really need to. I tried doing the draw 100 faces challenge and thought I was hot shit for a while but the better you get at drawing the better you get at seeing mistakes too. Her nose and lips look just that much more off, but I spent so long correcting/aligning them I kinda gave up. I'll focus on those features in the future.

(on your piece) I really like how the edges of the form look so definite and the roundness of the face comes out really well with your line work. The perspective of her right eye seems a little funky tho I feel like the eyelid should have more curve and the eyebrow should start a little higher (I could be wrong though)

[Anonymous No.4695312]

>>4695290
>100 faces with 100 references
>Gives no chance to reflect and improve on mistakes you individually made, since the only real mistake you can make is not copying the reference perfectly
Just fucking use Sycra's method. Thats how you improve stop making yourself dependent on references REEEEE

[Anonymous No.4695550]

>>4692832
fuck off beglet

[Anonymous No.4695599]

>>4692832
i fucking hate this guy

I have no idea about his content - never made it more then 3 minutes into any of his videos
Something about his gaze is so incredibly homosexual i cant avoid starting to feel molested after 2 minutes of exposure

and he tricks me over and over again with clickbaity titles, like some pervert stalker hiding behind internet bushes to ambush me on my way to school and molest with his пeдepacт gaze AGAIN
HELP

[Anonymous No.4696010]

>>4695312
>Gives no chance to reflect and improve on mistakes you individually made, since the only real mistake you can make is not copying the reference perfectly

Holy shit I never thought about it that way

[Anonymous No.4696027]

>>4695599
>i fucking hate this guy
>every time i see him i can't help but constantly think of him molesting me
guess who the real homosexual is

[Anonymous No.4696128]

>>4696010
release your full potential anon

[Anonymous No.4696132]

>>4695599
>every time i see him i can't help but constantly think of him molesting me
I guess thats why his fanbase jokes about him being their uncle :^)

[Anonymous No.4696436]

>>4692870
based and true

[Anonymous No.4696573]

>>4692832
I dont take tips from niggerlovers

[Anonymous No.4696624]

>>4696573
>refusing art advice because they drew a black person
EDGY

[Anonymous No.4696630]

>>4696573
Damn, no wonder this shithole’s skill level low.

[Anonymous No.4696632]

>>4695312
But isn't there a huge difference between just copying what you see in a reference and copying while trying to actually understand the forms and the structure of the reference?

[Anonymous No.4697248]

>>4696632
>is there a difference between copying and analyzing to fix it and copying but this time analyzing the structure instead
Clearly the difference isn't big enough. If you're talking about lets sayyyy analyzing muscle structure of a reference photo, but doing a slightly different or just entirely different pose from the photo then sure that could work. Or lets say you analyze multiple references in order to make a certain pose make anatomical sense, then sure its useful. If you're just copying the references pose, that's still copying and you are still dependent on the reference IMO

[Anonymous No.4697279]

>>4696573
prejudice is cringe

[Anonymous No.4697288]

>>4694031
i feel this on a spiritual level.

[Anonymous No.4697340]

>>4696573
>not liking BBW (beautiful brown waterbender)
weak

[Anonymous No.4697344]

>>4697288
its like survivors guilt but for art and your not guilty for surviving but guilty for art-related stuff. Shits weird

[Anonymous No.4697769]

>>4692832
Using too much reference for drawings is THE worst advice I have ever received and it is all ic’s fault

Now I only use references for inspiration and to check anatomy when my memory is iffy

[Anonymous No.4697831]

>>4697769
Post you work without references.

[Anonymous No.4698370]

>>4696573
Pyw, member of the superior race.

[Anonymous No.4698394]

>>4694305
>sycra
>the guy who has shit art

[Anonymous No.4698397]

>>4698394
I mean you can say that.. but it doesnt make it true

[Anonymous No.4698414]

>>4696573
Based and whitepilled

[Anonymous No.4698419]

>>4698414
This aint pol. Take your stink somewhere else

[Anonymous No.4698423]

>>4696573
Hey, maybe he just pretends to be nigger lover. You know, to be in the "circle".

[Anonymous No.4698436]

>>4696573
I learned that very fast as well.

[Anonymous No.4698441]

>>4692842
Hmm who should /ic/ take advice from? A youtuber working in the industry or a random anon who doesn't have work to post to back up his claims?

[Anonymous No.4698451]

>>4698441
A random anon obviously. We have much more credibility than these hacks. Look at the art posted here, it’s just shows that we know what’s best for you.

[Anonymous No.4698772]

Why is Ethan's instagram a rotation of the exact same poses/faces/characters? Here is big lipped-girl with her mouth open #876345, tune in next week for a sketch dump of the exact same girl in the same pose with barely any feature variations, also they will all have the same wacky tentacle hair flowing upwards. Sometimes when I'm feeling creative I will post unappealing square butts. Remember people, good shape design is key!

[Anonymous No.4698848]

>>4692832
>fixing Avatar
Hate this guy but he has some fucking balls especially with the show's Netflix resurgence

[Anonymous No.4700797]

>>4692924
Aren't americans consider anything below 21 literal pedophilia