/TRAD/

[Anonymous No.4649021]

traditional mediums

no sub 90 IQ zinc primed canvas allowed edtion

[Anonymous No.4649023]

Help me out with this, starting to look gross but at least I'm not having to oil out to often

[Anonymous No.4649034]

why was the last thread pruned?

[Anonymous No.4649040]

>>4649034
yeah idk, not enough hentai

[Anonymous No.4649049]

>>4649021
Is gouache traditional or should I just fuck right off

[Anonymous No.4649058]

>>4649049
Of course brother, anything non digital

[Anonymous No.4649137]

I feel like I'm getting somewhere but am still a /beg/ in some stuff. Any tips on simplifying the background? or on achieving different textures without it looking like I'm doing random hatching? I completely fucked up the bird for example. Anything pen/landscape related would help.

[Anonymous No.4649330]

>>4649040
Brians' smut thread was deleted too. Maybe he's finally gone, I'm pretty sure trad was also his thread. Either way, I think it was OP that deleted it not jannies.

[Anonymous No.4649410]

Behold my /beg/ tier graphite!

[Anonymous No.4649434]

does corel painter count?

[Anonymous No.4649525]

>>4649434
No. Use real oil paint, you're missing out otherwise.

[Jackson Everett !!yLtUr7JfY4M No.4649533]

>>4649434
What part of a computer program do you think is trad, faggot?

[Anonymous No.4649653]

>>4649330
The cumfarti has finally begoned!

[Anonymous No.4649670]

What counts as trad?

[Anonymous No.4649677]

>>4649670
Anything not digital....done with TRADITIONAL means.

[Anonymous No.4649708]

I did my first mural a couple weeks ago

Now I'm negotiating my second one, though I think it won't go through. I don't intend to ask for the standard price but half of it, yet the client probably expected much less.

Also asked some neighbors if they would let me paint their walls to practice and start to make a portfolio, it seems they love the idea.

[Anonymous No.4649734]

>>4649049

How would Gouache NOT be traditional?!

[Anonymous No.4649739]

Posted this in the last thread before it got deleted.

https://twitter.com/JustinSadur/status/1271704503788568577

[Anonymous No.4649776]

Trying to figure out what’s wrong with the top log. I think the perspective is ok but maybe not or perhaps the shadow is off.

[Anonymous No.4649810]

>>4649739
Ingenious. Painted the doors first, then the background?

[Anonymous No.4649812]

>>4649776
It's slightly curving to the top like you might be having a fish eye? IS this off a reference?

[Anonymous No.4649839]

>>4649810

Exterior first, then doors, then ceiling, then walls, then floor, then objects and details.

If I started over I'd probably still start with the exterior, then the interior structural elements, THEN do the doors, followed by the details.

[Anonymous No.4649844]

>>4649812
Yeah I shot the photo from my iPhone

[Anonymous No.4649941]

>>4649739
Good but boring composition

[Anonymous No.4649951]

>>4649844

Might be why its curving?

[Anonymous No.4649965]

>>4649839

There are inconsistencies that the eye picks up

Its an interesting painting as it is and I love it

But if you wanted to do it right youd do exterior first then the doors

But I love it truly as it is.. it shows inconsistencies in life and the doors the squares show it

perfect as it is. finish here

[Anonymous No.4649977]

>>4649839

Btw are you serious? Nothing makes sense in the way that the squares connect (and I love it)

>>4649739

[Anonymous No.4650135]

>>4649965
>>4649977

I don't know what to say. I painted the exterior first. Any strange inconsistencies are a result of my own shaky hands.

Part of it may be because I was trying to leave gaps for the windowpane frames, since Gouache doesn't layer too well, so things may not align very well in spots.

Lets just pretend it's the distortion of the glass.

[Anonymous No.4650174]

posted this in the beginner thread too but what do you guys think? made with tempura paints, first time I've used them (I am not a painter, normally I just sketch/doodle)

[Anonymous No.4650185]

>>4650174
I get the impression you're using Tempera like watercolor. I'm not an expert in the medium but that seems like the wrong approach. Maybe try painting in thicker layers. I know Tempera has a reputation for being a bit tedious and slow, but the results can be great (pic related).

Also I think you need to be working on thicker paper. That sheet looks like it's on the verge of self-destructing.

[Anonymous No.4650238]

>>4650185
Oh yeah I didn't actually know tempera paint and tempera watercolours were a different thing. DESU I though tempera referred to the little puck things you get the paint off of LOL.

I definitely need watercolour paper lol, this was the best I had though, as everything else had the black ink bleed really badly.

Thanks for the response. If you're looking at it as a watercolour/pen picture and not tempera paints what do you think (Ignoring the paper if possible)

[Anonymous No.4650279]

>>4649023
I don't know what the shoe you're painting looks like exactly, but I get the impression you're too heavy handed when mixing with white. It's a powerful pigment, so be careful how much you add.
Otherwise not bad, just add some hard edges, maybe a bit more hue variation.

>>4649739
cozy

[Anonymous No.4650304]

[Anonymous No.4650360]

>>4650238

Wait so is this Tempera paint or watercolor from a tray?

It's hard for me to critique because it looks like you just used the paint to fill in flat areas, so I can't really rate it as a painting. Watercolor's a weird medium. You've kind of got to build up tones on top of each other, even though it doesn't really layer, just kind of all soaks into the paper.

Here's a nice tutorial on different approaches for painting ocean scenes. It's rather basic but might be a good starting point to see how watercolor behaves.

https://youtu.be/J-LDUK-XhRM

>>4650279
>cozy

Thank you.

[Anonymous No.4650384]

>>4650360
Oh lol, it's just watercolour from a tray. My mom gave me some art supplies and called them tempera paints.

Yeah, using the paint to fill in flat areas was 100% the goal. I wasn't going for a painting vibe as much of a drawing with simple colours.

Recently I really have been really enjoying making drawings with a weird style, almost like 2d cell shading maybe? IDK how you would describe it. Pic related is another example.

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4650576]

>>4650279
>but I get the impression you're too heavy handed when mixing with white

Because of the hue of the lights do you mean?

[Anonymous No.4650770]

>>4650384
It's kind of boring. What are you trying to achieve?

[Anonymous No.4650837]

>Traditional art thread
>People actually have skills
Is this the equivalent of /tv/'s film general or /a/'s pre-2000 anime thread?

[Anonymous No.4650841]

>>4650837
we're just kinda shy because no one comments our crafts

[Anonymous No.4650853]

>>4649330

Nice, hope that shithead stays away

[Anonymous No.4650863]

>>4650304

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

[Anonymous No.4650889]

>>4650770
well a week ago I could only draw people standing straight up with their hands to the side in front or quarter profile. Plus any attempt at stylized shading looked awful. So after doing some reading this was one of my first couple attempts at dynamic poses, and since I usually do semi-realistic shading with a pencil or pen, I wanted to try something more stylized and simplified.

I know it's super basic but I know personally it's a big step forward since a month ago I couldn't draw any sort of movement.

What do you think I could do to make it less boring? Do you think I could stick with the semi-graffiti style and make something more exciting?

[Anonymous No.4650899]

>>4650889
Not that guy but push your gesture and expressions more and more. Push them to their limit. Extreme angles are really fun when you get the hang of them as well.

[Anonymous No.4650987]

>>4650899
thanks man, thoughts on this one for expression?

[Anonymous No.4650993]

>>4650987
Push it further. He's angry? Make him furious. Give him some strong shadows or a feeling of movement getting up into the other guys face via the gesture of his pose.

Also it would be helpful for you trying to show the mood of a picture by learning some composition. The guy on the left is overlapping the guy on the right and he's bigger and higher in the frame. It makes him look like the dominant figure when the other guy should be in some way. Remember that whatever is higher in the picture tends to have more importance or power in people's minds.

[Anonymous No.4651008]

>>4650993
Am I tripping balls? The guy on the right is higher in the frame (the angry guy). Even in the photo he's slightly higher but on the page he's about an inch up (I'm holding the sketchbook on a bit of an angle in the photo).

if you pause this vid https://youtu.be/w8yT-ombA1o?t=19 at 19s you can see the reference I used.
"Make him furious" doesn't really help me because I had a lot of trouble just getting the amount of motion I did. Especially in the mouth area. I wanted to make him look a lot angrier than I did.

[Anonymous No.4651011]

>>4651008
I totally brainfarted and didn't read >Give him some strong shadows or a feeling of movement getting up into the other guys face via the gesture of his pose

thanks

[Anonymous No.4651019]

>>4651008
Haha whoops. I misremembered it, my post reply window was on top of the photo and I got it mixed up a little in my head. I think he still could be placed in a way that makes him look more imposing but I get that you were drawing from a reference now.

For extreme expressions I found it really helpful to do skull and muscle studies and then trace the muscles over pictures of people doing extreme expressions so I could understand what's happening under the skin. Or alternatively you could try reconstructing the extreme expression from the bone and muscle.

I know it probably seems a little daunting but there aren't a shit ton of muscles in the face compared to the rest of the body so it's a good place to start. If you can break it down into forms and not worry about doing 100% anatomically correct muscle drawing during your breakdown of the expression it helps a lot too.

[Anonymous No.4651024]

>>4649776
Your values are off, the sky is too bright for the values you have on the ground. Just lok at the thumbnail, I saw it before I opened the image. Throw some value into the sky, or bring them up in the ground plane, especially the foreground. Especially right in the center, the triangle with the logs is the same value as the tree line, and flattens it all. You might also want to have more blue reflected in the background - environmental light is reflected light, the trees and air would be bouncing the blue of the sky at you.

[Anonymous No.4651028]

>>4650238
If you want to do pen and color washes, try some thicker bristol paper. Google Arthur Rackham, he used goauche and pen and ink on bristol. Tape it down if you're going to do large washes.

[Anonymous No.4651032]

>>4651019
Thanks, that's an awesome image.

[Anonymous No.4651037]

>>4650185
Quick note. I think you're confusing tempera poster paint, and egg tempera. Wyeth used egg tempera for that painting (Braids, one of the Helga paintings). That's a completely different animal than tempera poster paint. "Tempera" just means pigment in a binder, what Wyeth used was a very specific kind.

[Anonymous No.4651339]

>>4650863
Thanks. I’ve never tried painting a great old one and I think it’s pretty awesome and fun. I wish I put some more thought into the composition or at least dropped the horizon down lower but as long as I can say I learned 2 things on every painting I consider it a success.

[Anonymous No.4651349]

>>4651024
Thanks for the advice. I keep picking scenes with challenging light, this was basically mid day but overcast gray light and screwed up my brain having no cast shadows just some core shadows right under the logs. A bright gray sky and bright gray light everywhere. I wish I was there to photograph this spot in better light. Either way I need to improve so I’ll try to keep the critique in mind moving forward.

[Anonymous No.4651534]

>>4649739
Are you the anon who made that nightmare room?

[Anonymous No.4651748]

>>4651534
Nightmare room? What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.4652058]

I accidentally licked turpentine, am I going to die?

[Anonymous No.4652064]

>>4652058

Eventually.

[Anonymous No.4652093]

>>4651349
You're doing fine. Keep working, and it will all fall into place eventually.

[Anonymous No.4652111]

>>4652058
Tbh no one has any need to use the stuff full stop. Post one worthwhile painting that was painted with turpentine to thin the paint

[Anonymous No.4652166]

>>4652111
>no one has any need to use the stuff
But why then is it so commonly used in painting?

[Anonymous No.4652209]

>>4652166

It's cheap and commonly available. I'm not that guy, but I remember when I used to dabble in oil being told that regular turpentine degrades the painting over time, and that we should avoid it.

There are other available options for thinning paint. Lavender Spike, Mineral Spirits, Linseed oil, etc.

I don't do oil painting anymore because I don't have the patience for it, but I remember the negativity towards turpentine by several of my teachers.

[Anonymous No.4652229]

>>4652111
These days, no. But turps were extremely common as a solvent before the 1950's, and are referenced in all of the literature on painting going back hundreds of years. It's made from pine sap, so it's less prevalent in geographical regions that didn't have pine trees, and other solvents like spike oils were available.
But to ask for one painting that used turps? Pick any major museum, plenty of the paintings in them were made with it.

[Anonymous No.4652255]

>>4649137
love your style bro anywhere i can follow you?

[Anonymous No.4652272]

>>4649739
Don't just add black to the parts in shadow. you have reflected purple light off the floor onto the bottom pillows, but why cant those super yellow pillows drunk on hard light have a reflection of their own. Your pillows are giving you an opportunity to show some stronger lighting, especially because you've gone with so much contrast in the foreground. Aside from that, you've created a literal light source that's not even as bright at those pillows in the lamps.

The floor is nice, the outside is good enough, and your lighting in the other rooms is great.

With the leaves on the floor, don't just throw some white on them to lighten them up, it washes their color out and they cant even compare to the pillows that they're next to. It's important that saturation in the foreground is as consistent as your contrast.

The lighting fixture on the top should probably have some deeper shadows, and i would suggest using some of the same copper you used on the lamps.

[Anonymous No.4652283]

>>4649776
Use the paint knife to turn your textures on the log.

>>4651024
The photo of the painting itself is probably half the issue. He has too much light on the top of the painting. You can see in the raking light in the texture of the canvas.

[Anonymous No.4652343]

>>4652111
Everything Sargent painted. I'm not even going to go beyond this.
I still use turps as I often use Michael Harding's oleo resin medium that won't wash out from brushes unless you use proper turps, so I use it as a brush washer & thinner in early stages of painting.

[Anonymous No.4652344]

http://www.twitch.tv/primoaprobe

[Anonymous No.4652352]

>>4652343
Saying this. I'm about to try a different style of painting using a slow drying medium, no thinner, and washing my brushes with oil instead, so swings and roundabouts.
Pic one of mine to contribute to the thread. I usually paint fast so I'm going to try slower and learn to be more patient.

[Anonymous No.4653722]

[Anonymous No.4653727]

>>4653722

[Anonymous No.4654124]

>>4651534

This is going to drive me nuts. What Nightmare room?

[Anonymous No.4654174]

>>4654124
I don't have it saved but I'm pretty sure I know what he's referring to. There's an old deviant art painting of some animatronic furries with a girl in a purple room. The ceiling is full of demonic spiders and the whole thing just looks really creepy.

[Anonymous No.4654245]

>>4654174
Oh that!

Yeah that was me. Am I so recognizable after all this time?

[Anonymous No.4654280]

>>4654245
kek
I have a good eye for this, but the color palette and the brushstrokes gave it away.

[Anonymous No.4654455]

[Anonymous No.4654485]

Sorry for porn.

[Anonymous No.4654888]

I really want to get into oil painting because I consider it to be beautiful but I wouldn't feel right wasting money on canvases that will be used for an absolute beginner.
Is there any other way to approach traditional painting without jumping straight into expensive oils and canvases?

[Anonymous No.4654914]

>>4654888
Cesar Santos has a vid on getting into oil painting in certain types of sketchbook primed with gesso. You can start with a few oil paints or monochromatic paints and practice in sketchbooks.

Given, it takes a long time to dry.

[Anonymous No.4654920]

>>4654914
>Given, it takes a long time to dry.
Yeah, that is my biggest problem with it. I don't have a lot of time a day for "me" and having to wait for the paint to dry can be a huge pain in the ass.
>Cesar Santos
Thanks. I will watch some of his videos when I have the time.

[Anonymous No.4654931]

>>4654888
Buy canvas boards they're cheap as hell. You can paint over them if it comes out shit. Buy the zorn palette plus ultramarine for paint. You'll also want some odorless mineral spirits. Keep it simple and just go for it. You'll get better as you run into problems.

[Anonymous No.4655093]

>>4654931
Thanks man. I will get the cheapest shit I can find, within reason, and start working.

[Anonymous No.4655176]

>>4650185
Is this an aged Anne Shirley? Looks real good anon.

Also how do you guys upload pics of your artwork so that it doesn't come out looking like shit when you post it? Are you scanning your oil paintings and such or using professional cameras?

[Anonymous No.4655177]

My 5th (?) Oil painting I think
Was supposed to be the first layer but I liked it as it is

[Anonymous No.4655181]

>>4655177
Current painting that I'm about to start
everything is off but gotta fuck shit up to learn

[Anonymous No.4655185]

>>4655181
My most recent graphite work

[Anonymous No.4655211]

I think i don't like water color, I got cheap tray to try it, and I can't mix colors easily and I can't go over mistakes and whites not a thing.
Any advice?

[Anonymous No.4655215]

>>4655176
Oh Gosh I wish I had painted that. It's a portrait of Helga Testorf by Andrew Wyeth. She was his favorite model.

As for your question, I scan my paintings on a big 11x17 scanner. It's served me well but it's starting to show its age, and I may have to invest in a new one.

[Anonymous No.4655269]

>>4655211
Not being able to mix properly is either user error or an issue with the quality, there aren't really any inherent problems with mixing in watercolor.
Instead of trying to paint over mistakes in white, go over them with clear water and dab up the paint with some kitchen roll or fabric. Cheap watercolors especially should come up easily.

Looking at your piece I can tell that you paint too dry in general (that's what makes it look streaky). Water control takes some practice to learn, but you can get nicer results even with the supplies you have if you keep at it. Look up some youtube vids on watercolor techniques like wet-in-wet and negative painting and practice them.

You can try throwing money at the problem, watercolor is a medium that gets a lot easier if you use better quality supplies since cotton paper handles very differently from regular. Higher quality paints will be more transparent and intense in color.
That said if you don't like the way watercolor handles anyway and would rather paint opaquely (but without the long drying times of oil), try out gouache or acrylic. Either of these might be more your thing.

[Anonymous No.4655304]

>>4654920
Well, the gesso doesn't take that long, only the oil painting on it. So all you have to do is paint a few pages with gesso and tear the pages out so you can paint on each one individually. I do mines with about three coats of gesso before painting.

[Anonymous No.4655396]

>>4649776
Do you sell your work?

[Anonymous No.4655406]

>>4652111
I normally use turps for underpainting.
Its quick to dry and you can use paper woth it and dab off the paint to creat the highlights of the underpainting.
After that I just use the paint out of the tube and a bit off linseed oil whenever it doesnt flow right...

[Anonymous No.4655414]

>>4654888
You don't need more than the primaries and a tube of black and a large tube of white to get started, a couple of brushes, and you can gesso cardboard if you have to. I like masonite panels and unprimed wood panels on stretchers like Blick sells, and they're not a big investment. Or just gesso paper, like the other anon said. You don't need to spend more than $50 to get started. I wouldn't recommend spending more unless you know you're going to stick with it. The important thing is to paint on gesso. Canvas became the standard because of how easier it is to get flat by stretching, and it's lightweight - before canvas wood panels were the standard, but over a certain size they're hard to move, and prone to splitting over time.

[Anonymous No.4655420]

>>4655211
Start over, and learn to paint correctly. Watercolor is hard to jump in and just paint without experience, as you discovered, you have to plan out the white of the paper, and you need to learn to control washes. Watercolor takes planning before putting down a single drop of paint.

What kind of paper are you using? That matters, too.

[Anonymous No.4655424]

>>4655181

As stated in >>4655185, you can work in decent realistic faces, try to make your sketch a bit cleaner work around that face and hand...

[Anonymous No.4655431]

>>4655269
>there aren't really any inherent problems with mixing in watercolor.
The most common mistake I see with beginners is they tend to mix every color in the pan, instead of layering washes, and not letting them dry completely. That, and using cheap paper which makes controlling washes impossible. That, and they don't even know what the washes are, they do everything wet in wet and end up rage quitting because that doesn't always work. That, and they plunge right in with darker hues and values and have nowhere to go after that but darker, and they can't build color over if, if they even try.

I took a beginning watercolor class in college even though I'd been using them for years, in high school and on my own, and I still learned a ton. We did two weeks of wash practice before attempting a painting. It's half planning, and the other half is know what to include in the plan. You can watch watercolorists on Youtube jump right in, but it takes years of experience to go freehand like that.

And, impatience. Beginners try to rush. Watercolor is slow and methodical, to get anywhere in the beginning, thinking each step out. They're not oils or acrylics, where you can start throwing paint around and recover from mistakes. I still ruin paintings by accident after doing them a long, long time.

[Anonymous No.4655556]

>>4650576
Not the same anon but this part mostly. I don't have your reference so I can't tell you how precise this looks compared to it. But is not a bad idea to play around with the hue or just exaggerate it a bit to create some interest. Check Marco Bucci's video for some explanation on this, he mentions artists like Schmidt, but you could look at impressionist artist to get some inspiration too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFoKmX0LfCs

[Anonymous No.4655667]

Does trad hate Amawus?

[Anonymous No.4655706]

>>4655431
Oh there are lots of things you can do wrong in watercolor, which is why I said "user error". What I meant was that there is nothing about the medium of watercolor that makes mixing inherently a bad idea. Lack of quality materials and inexperience as a painter can always fuck you up.
(Although my experience with beginners is that they usually try to paint everything wet-on-dry with tiny brushes and only do wet-in-wet accidentally.)

Thing is, while it's easier to mess up a piece completely in watercolor than it is in oil or acrylic, it doesn't take that much longer to start over instead of fixing things either. I suspect it's more of a pschologial issue, people get discouraged because they aren't able to fix everything and make it look presentable and are stuck with a bad painting.

[Anonymous No.4655760]

>>4655667
Who's that?

[Anonymous No.4655775]

>>4650174
>made with tempura paints
So...you can literally eat her ass?

[Anonymous No.4655782]

>>4654485
>Sorry for porn.
Never be sorry for that. Only weak minded individuals screech like banshees about pornographic content.

[Anonymous No.4655788]

>>4655782
There's a porn thread. There's a TRADITIONAL porn thread too.
You really do ruin everything.

[Anonymous No.4655791]

>>4655788
Weak minded banshee detected

[Anonymous No.4655805]

>>4655782
I am not being sorry for porn itself, just for posting it here. I really don't want to post in the other thread though.
btw did this one using flat forms instead of anatomy building. Surprisingly it was way more easy.

[Anonymous No.4655807]

>>4655791
You are the weak minded degenerate, idiot.
The board is yours, I'm fed up with this shit.

[Anonymous No.4655809]

>>4655805
You can stay here anon just ignore the sperg

[Anonymous No.4655813]

>>4650304
That is really cool but reflections on the right side are really wrong.

[Anonymous No.4656470]

[Anonymous No.4656486]

Oh god no, not again.
Begone cumfarti.

[Anonymous No.4656753]

>>4655185
Your values are great mate

[Anonymous No.4656846]

>>4656470

Fuck off to your containment thread

[Anonymous No.4657207]

>>4655424
I get excited and want to start the oil paintinf itself earlier, however you are correct, i should probably spend more time refining details in graphite first

>>4656753
Thank you, I've been doing graphite for about 5 years now

[Anonymous No.4657608]

Been trying my hand at goauche these past few months, have been having a lot of fun with it and learning from James Gurney mostly. I'll post some of my favorite paitning I've made. My favorite art movement is impressionism and some sort of post-impressionism/kind of surreal.
Please feel free to give advice or critique, thanks.

[Anonymous No.4657609]

>>4657608

[Anonymous No.4657611]

>>4657609

[Anonymous No.4657612]

>>4657611

[Anonymous No.4657613]

>>4657612

[Anonymous No.4657615]

>>4657613

[Anonymous No.4657616]

>>4657615

[Anonymous No.4657620]

>>4657616
Last one, sorry for spamming these. I'd like to see your pieces too, it's hard to find a community of artists working on a traditional medium nowadays.

[Anonymous No.4657652]

>>4657615
Good job getting in practice and creating a bunch of pieces. You painted a lot of these as if you were using transparent watercolor - you can start out with a transparent layer in gouache, however remember that the advantage of gouache is that you can paint opaquely when needed. In this piece for example you could have gone back in with a light blue and put in sky holes to make the foliage more convincing.
To practice painting more opaquely, get yourself some black watercolor paper, or cover a sheet fully in some dark or overly bright color first, then paint a piece over that.
Use thicker paint and add in white to get opacity. If your paints aren't great quality, consider replacing the white with a professional quality titanium white gouache, that alone will make a huge difference without breaking the bank.

(If you actually prefer painting transparently, get yourself some proper transparent watercolors instead so you can actually benefit from the benefits of that medium, like greater luminosity or creating textures with granulation.)

[Anonymous No.4657665]

>>4657652
To clarify, I'm not suggesting you should always paint over a dark background (unless you enjoy it), just that you should try it for a few paintings as an exercise.

[Anonymous No.4657672]

>>4657652
Thank you very much for your input, anon. I'll take this advice to heart and work towards getting better. For getting the most out of the opacity that gouache provides, do you recommend ditching water altogether, or using the tiniest amount of it? And is there a brand you'd personally recommend? I use Arteza and it's good, especially for my current level, but the titanium white is rather weak and not as bright as I'd expected or wanted it to be, so I might have to invest in a tube of quality t. white.

[Anonymous No.4657695]

>>4657672
I would still use some water, if you apply gouache too thickly it can crack unfortunately. You'll get a feeling for what the ideal consistency for opaque layers is with more experience, the best way I can describe it is that it still goes down flat without bumps or streaks, but has enough pigment in it to cover (or at least mostly cover in case of more transparent pigments) the layer beneath it.
I usually have a piece of cloth from an old t-shirt next to my water jar and dab the brush off gently after rinsing it to control the amount of moisture.

I mostly use Schmincke Horadam gouache, but I've heard good things about Holbein and M.Graham as well. I think James Gurney mostly uses M.Graham?
Here's a video of someone comparing different brands of high quality gouache:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRanwUXdvaY

Mary Sanche has some instructional videos about gouache on her channel, maybe this can help you with paint consistency.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMz3adIVjJM

[Anonymous No.4657706]

>>4657695
Thanks a lot, I'm truly grateful for this. I'll get to work on it.
It is refreshing to have insights from artists that know their stuff like yourself.

[Anonymous No.4657709]

>>4657706
No problem, I like talking about painting and just like you said there aren't many places left to do that.

[Anonymous No.4657882]

>>4657695
Not that anon but have you read Gurney's book? if so would you recommend it? I am gonna read pic related first but I'm still quite new to color theory and I will admit I'm a bit slow at learning this kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.4658009]

>>4657882
I have read Color and Light but it's been a while, I've been meaning to re-read it fully one of these days.
From what I remember it deals mostly with different lighting scenarios and approaches to painting them as well as various thoughts he has on the topic, not so much basic color theory (although it touches on some topics like gamut mapping) - ideally you want to have a good foundation in color theory as well as a few finished paintings under your belt before going into it. (I haven't read your pic related so I can't comment on that.)
I do like that about it though - it's hard to find material that can teach you much once you have passed the beginner level. I believe that's why the book gets recommended so much, there simply aren't many alternatives. (Although if anyone has suggestions I'd love to check them out.) I did sometimes feel like different sections of the book are a bit disconnected from each other like reading one article after the other, but I've found it most useful as a book to come back to when I need information on a specific subject, so it's not a huge deal.
You could also try working along with it and applying the concepts you learn about as you go through it, but that would keep you busy for long time.

You can get a pretty good idea of his teaching style if you check out his youtube channel and/or blog, although the book is a bit more organized to the point of course.

[Anonymous No.4658030]

>>4657672
I would still use water. Later on, as you improve, you can try gum of arabic to wet dried paint in the pan, or to make it flow better, without breaking the paint down like water does. Gum of arabic is a common binder for gouache and watercolor - it's pricey, but you only need a drop at most. Everyone develops their own preference, but I generally get the paint to the consistency of milk, with water, if it's straight from the tube, and only dry brush straight from the tube. I also always start with washes as an underpainting.

[Anonymous No.4658112]

>>4652255
Sure, thank you. @gui_i_i on instagram

[Anonymous No.4658126]

>>4658009
Thanks for the response. And yeah I've seen some of his videos, he's very methodical for what I recall and he's also consistent and conscious as well in laying down his layers of paint, I am tempted to practice right now but I feel like I shouldn't work too big, I think he does work on a small sketchbook.
As far as color theory goes, I know just the basic, mixing colors and some of the basic palettes you should use for them to look "good". creating black with primary colors, etc. I eyeball most of what I do so I was curious about the skill needed to dive in his book, but I'll stop being a pussy and give it a shot.
Thanks again.

[Anonymous No.4658180]

>>4658126
Gurney does small plein air paintings in gouache and casein and larger studio paintings in oils for his dinosaur stuff. (Well, I guess they aren't large by oil painting standards, but bigger than what he's usually painting outdoors.)
Size is somewhat of a matter of personal preference, small is quicker and it's easier to judge proportions without stepping back, but it can be fiddly if you want detail and is not as impressive looking when viewed as an original.
If you want to get lots of practice in quickly keep the format on the smaller side, but paint something in a different format every now and then so you don't get too used to one size.

Reading the book now isn't gonna do any harm, worst case scenario it'll be a bit confusing or too much to take in, but you'll still take some things away from it and you'll know what's in there to come back to in the future. Good luck anon.

[Anonymous No.4658194]

>>4655556
gotcha cheers

[Anonymous No.4659092]

[Anonymous No.4659094]

>>4649021
Did you make the confessions thread?

[Anonymous No.4659103]

>>4655782
this. retards here screech even about nudity. it's pathetic

[Anonymous No.4659117]

wait, is this effortless garbage supposed to be /trad/?

[Anonymous No.4659230]

>>4659092
>wow that painting by brian looks great
>*clicks to enlarge*
>ewww gross
every time

[Anonymous No.4659259]

>>4649739
Lol this has the same energy as that creepy piece u did

[Anonymous No.4659440]

>>4659259

Good to know I haven't lost my touch.

[Anonymous No.4659736]

Trad SUCKS

[Anonymous No.4659848]

>>4659092
That thumb though.

[Anonymous No.4659854]

>>4659440
it's like a 3D chris chan drawing

[Anonymous No.4659859]

>>4659440
I Love that piece, wish it was made traditional instead of digital

[Anonymous No.4659874]

[Anonymous No.4659877]

>>4649739
I like it. I like it a lot.

[Anonymous No.4660040]

>>4659859

Well it's over 15 years old, and was from my first attempt to learn digital painting. I probably couldn't recreate the uncanny effect it has now if I tried.

It has that weird quality that only the amateur can achieve. If I did it now, it would be like when an adult from the art department tries to create a convincing children's drawing in a movie. It never works out.

>>4659854

Oh man, I would love to see what he could have come up with in the digital format. Digital art can be so lurid in the hands of the incompetent.

>>4659877
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.4660224]

Mix mediaaaa

[Anonymous No.4660228]

>>4649021
misread the title as /TARD/

[Anonymous No.4660260]

Narcissist is here, see y'all in the next thread. This was a good one, for a while. Maybe we can get another before he wakes up from his booze/drug bender.

[Anonymous No.4660262]

>>4660228
No, as a trad poster, that is the correct title.

[Anonymous No.4660362]

>>4657207
A solid drawing and underpainting are key and the foundation of a good painting... Speaking from experience, I also rushed this phase and went straight to painting without having the correct proportions, I had to remake them during painting and it took me forever to redo it..

[Anonymous No.4660502]

Not sure where to put this.

Look how big David's hands are. That's a big screw up. I never noticed it before. The head is too big, too, but it looks like that could be an artistic choice. The hands though? They look goofy.

[Anonymous No.4660506]

>>4660502
It was intentional. Larger hands back then was a beauty thing back then, it made them look more graceful or something. I don't really like it but it was definitely intentional.

[Anonymous No.4660534]

>>4660506
close but no
>>4660502
it was made that way because it's sculpted in perspective. You're supposed to look at it from below so that it recedes in space and gives it a larger than life appearance. When you look at it from the proper angle it all recedes in perspective properly. Gotta remember it was never intended to be photographed, anyone that went to see it would've been viewing it correctly from below it.

[Anonymous No.4660580]

>>4660502

The statue was supposed to be on top of a roof or something. It was never meant to be viewed from the ground floor - and so Michelangelo intentionally made the head and hands bigger to focus the viewer's attention when viewed from the ground floor.

>>4660506
I don't think this is true. If you look at every figure Michelangelo has drawn - most of them have small hands. Look at Adam for reference.

[Anonymous No.4660742]

>>4660260
ngmi

[Anonymous No.4660744]

>>4660742
Begone cumfarti

[Anonymous No.4660805]

>>4660744
>le narcissism
>artists can't think highly of themselves
>his parents pay for his supplies
>if he makes it it doesn't count
>come on guys lets take our basketball and go home
>it's not fair
imagine

[Anonymous No.4660861]

I just ordered gouache to try for the first time. Only experience I have is with a handful of watercolor attempts

[Anonymous No.4660877]

>>4660805
I said begone cumfarti

[Anonymous No.4660895]

>>4660861
Nice. Gouache is hard to use but when you get the hang of it it's soooo fucking comfy

[Anonymous No.4660917]

>>4660534
>it's sculpted in perspective

That's amazing.

[Anonymous No.4660927]

>>4657620
>community
i guess thats a word that could vaguely describe this place

[Anonymous No.4661011]

>>4660580
>The statue was supposed to be on top of a roof or something
This is fascinating to me... I'm trying to picture a sculpture of David and Goliath with a bunch of onlookers. Has anyone digitized Michelngelo's Goliath? It could probably be sculpted then easily.

I think the best picture would be David hiding out from Saul at Masada...that would make an epic series of sculptures. You could put David at the zenith in an alcove and have a sculpture of Saul and his men at the base.

[Anonymous No.4661040]

Yeah the cave of en gedi is near Masada but it's not quite the same thing. I forget where Saul died in battle but it seems to have been on an elevated mountainous area..

[Anonymous No.4661112]

>>4660917
right? how the fuck. To even have the idea to do that is the really amazing thing. Truly innovative.

[Anonymous No.4661145]

>>4660861
Remember to keep control of how much water is in your brush. Too much water and the paint will bloom, turning your painting into a muddy nightmare.

[Anonymous No.4662103]

First shot at watercolor so that makes this a beg post sorta? It also has ink which I am fairly experienced with.

[Anonymous No.4662130]

>>4662103
Texture looks good and intentional in some areas like the rocks, but not the sky. Use big soft brushes and lots of water to get smoother results.

[Anonymous No.4662225]

>>4662135

[Anonymous No.4662933]

>>4662130
damn i used one of those foam tools to try and spread across the sky and get all of the colors blended. I'm not sure if the areas you are referencing are the ones around the towers because those areas I couldn't figure out how to blend properly without fucking up the buildings

[Anonymous No.4663686]

Watercolors and ink

[Anonymous No.4663711]

>>4662103

Looks like your paper's degrading there, dude. What did you use?

[Anonymous No.4663743]

>>4660917
many renaissance frescos are also painted with a distortion so they would look better when looked at from below.

[Anonymous No.4663756]

>>4662103
too thick paint layer, it looks like a gouache painting. watercolor isnt supposed to be painted like that. of course you can do whatever but if you are gonna paint like this might as well use gouache or acrylics. for watercolors use more water and let it flow. look up some watercolor tutorials and get good watercolor paper, thats gonna help you a ton.

[Anonymous No.4664457]

what brand of oil paints do you guys use?

I use gamblin 1980 but I wonder how green the grass is on the other side

[Anonymous No.4664556]

>>4663711
mixed media. It is happening just because i used too much paint I think.
>>4663756
I'm not sure how well watercolor paper works with ink. Also I did definitely messed up with the grass, didn't water the paint down enough I don't think

[Anonymous No.4664571]

Second time experimenting with ink wash painting, it's quite chaotic, but calming. I need to try it with watercolor paper next time.

[Anonymous No.4664591]

>>4649137
you should work on your line quality for now, try working smaller and making everything tighter and cleaner.

[Anonymous No.4664609]

>>4664457
I use van gogh by tallens, ots the most affordable and easier to find...

[Anonymous No.4664691]

>>4664556
>It is happening just because i used too much paint I think.

Nah, decent paper for watercolor shouldn't do that. It's the water, not the paint, that degrades the paper.

>I'm not sure how well watercolor paper works with ink.

Ink works fine on watercolor paper. The approach to painting with both is very similar.

[Anonymous No.4664696]

>>4664457

Depends on the colours. Mainly I use Rembrandt, but I love certain colours by Michael Harding (these also have good texture, great paints to work with), also own a few Old Hollandt tubes and Sennelier. Oh, and I use light red by Winsor and Newton for flesh after watching a Cesar Santos course. I've been eyeing the Gamblin artist line but currently the only reseller here in the Netherlands is completely out of stock due to COVID19.

[Anonymous No.4664893]

>>4664556
If you're concerned about ink pens or dip nibs not working on watercolor paper, just get the hot press kind. It's smooth so you shouldn't have any issues. (Cold press is a regular watercolor paper texture and rough is... well, roughly textured.)

[Anonymous No.4665124]

>>4664696
These are all good.
I use all these, also Sennelier artists, Rublev, and Jacksons own brand. Not much difference between them except in fluidity of paint.

[Anonymous No.4665227]

>>4664591
this is cool, try making one with a little more negative space next time. That might sound counterproductive because more lines=better, but learning where not to draw is also important.

I will say this piece is successful though

[Anonymous No.4665426]

>>4664893
Ok, thanks I will try and get some soon. I figured that mixed media would work fine.
>>4664691
What i meant when I mentioned using too much paint is just applying too much of the mixture while trying to correct areas.

[Anonymous No.4665489]

>>4665426
Unless you were scrubbing really hard I doubt it. You were just using paper that is unsuitable for watercolor. On watercolor paper you'd be able to lay down long strokes for the wash and have enough time adjust the paint around the "bead" around the edge of the ink drawing. It would come out perfectly flat (or any other effect you wanted, like that burst of light at the top). You also made a lot of small strokes at the bottom which tells me you used too much water too many times at the top, so you decided against it fort he rest of the panting.
Consider making broader washes that completely cover the paper. That city over there? It would pick up the color of the sky anyway, so it's OK if you let the wash contaminate the drawing. If you want to clean up you're better off using a paper towel and pulling some of the color. Also you should do this job relatively upright, because this lets the water run down the painting. If you do it on a flat surface the water just pools where you lay down strokes, and the paint reactivates. That's how you get those halos.
Make sure you use transparent only pigments for ink drawings, or they will cover your ink lines. Instead of cadmium use bismuth vanadate or something like that.

[Anonymous No.4665508]

>>4665426
>What i meant when I mentioned using too much paint is just applying too much of the mixture while trying to correct areas.

Nah. You're using bad paper. Watercolor paper varies a LOT in quality, but even the cheap stuff shouldn't do that.

[Anonymous No.4665536]

>>4665489
Bismuth yellow is just as opaque as cadmium, that's why it's considered a good substitute.

Most transparent yellow is PY150. PY154 is pretty good as well.

[Anonymous No.4665540]

reduced my color palette a lot, only using two yellows, a blue, and a red, and white

[Anonymous No.4665549]

>>4665540
Begone Cumfarti

[Anonymous No.4665554]

>>4665540
Cringe
>>4665549
Based

[Anonymous No.4665581]

>>4665540

Nice and putrid my man. The necrophiles are gonna love this one

[Anonymous No.4665583]

>>4664457
I use gamblin currently, with some old oil paints that I got from someone on Craigslist.

I didn't know Liquitex made oil paints.

Also most this person's paints are Georgian and grumbacher. The guy has alot of alizarin crimson.

[Anonymous No.4665624]

>>4665540
Another headless corpse.
Begone cumfarti,

[Anonymous No.4665650]

>>4653722
Beautiful

[Anonymous No.4665652]

>>4665540
fuck you

[Anonymous No.4665657]

>>4665540
Now paint a giant soother.

[Anonymous No.4665664]

>>4665536
Sometimes I mix up the names, but you get what I mean.

[Anonymous No.4665691]

>>4665664
Yeah, I just wanted to point it out so >>4662103 doesn't go out and spend money on a paint that's actually pretty opaque.

[Anonymous No.4665873]

>>4665691
good thinking, anon

[Anonymous No.4666409]

finished this, gave me some good ideas for landscapes and still lifes to do

[Anonymous No.4666414]

Begone cumfarti

[Anonymous No.4666416]

>>4649410
Absolutely stunning. Are you me man?

[Anonymous No.4666489]

>>4665691
I ended up spending money on some pretty good watercolor paper and good watercolors I'm psyched for the next piece will post when it's done.

[Anonymous No.4666511]

>>4659092
that's a hot Play-Doh

[boxman No.4666512]

>>4666409

smutty but i can dig it

reminds me of post impressionism

[boxman No.4666513]

>>4656470

looks nice reminds me of picasso

[boxman No.4666527]

>>4649739

adventurous but contained.

i find the colors a little whatever but you pass

[boxman No.4666534]

>>4649776

unf really good

reminds me of russian landscapes

[Anonymous No.4666542]

>>4660040
Exactly! There's just this unsettling feeling in naive digital paintings. A very synthetic and dettached aesthetic as a result of the poor handling of the tools, that unmasks the "digitalness" of the media. In this case it works perfectly with the subject matter, Really love that painting!

[Anonymous No.4666771]

>>4666542

Maybe it's similar to the weird feeling early CGI has, where the strange cleanliness and awkward models and animation give everything a surreal feeling.

Did anybody here watch "The Mind's Eye" CGI compilation tapes from the 90s? Those things were a trip when I was a kid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5zMtCvWhG0

>Really love that painting!

It blows my mind that that painting has legitimate fans now.

[Anonymous No.4666980]

Could use some advice while I let this dry. Thanks

[Anonymous No.4667042]

been trying magic the gathering alters....

[Anonymous No.4667049]

>>4667042

[Anonymous No.4667174]

>>4666980
It looks rather flat, don't be afraid to put down dark values for the shadows. Try stepping away from your painting and look at it from a distance every now and then, it should still be clear what you're depicting even when viewed from further away or as a thumbnail.

[Anonymous No.4667484]

playing around with a fat tipped posca marker and cheap textured paper. pretty fun.

>>4667049
I like this one a lot, anon - what medium do you use?

>>4657616
compared to the other landscapes posted, I like the chickens the best.
I like some of the concepts, but you should try to limit the amount of strokes you put down. some parts like the leaves and grass don't need to be as hatched.

look at Sargent's watercolor paintings - theyre simplified but great vibrancy and shapes

[Anonymous No.4667548]

>>4650135

If you really did that by addident, it's one of those stroke of lucks for the genius. Realizing that the squares don't connect is one of the most interesting parts of the piece, and makes you wonder..

[Anonymous No.4668047]

>>4666527

It came out much more purple than I intended.

[Anonymous No.4668101]

[Anonymous No.4668638]

>>4667049
Clean up those text box edges and people will pay way more.

[Fear No.4668813]

Anyone else kissed their painting with acrylic before? /trad/

[Fear No.4668814]

>>4668813

Acrylic tastes kind of bitter

[Anonymous No.4668841]

>>4668814
And here I always thought the advice "don't eat paint" was a joke, but I guess some people actually do need to hear it:

Acrylic paint is plastic, don't eat it.

[Anonymous No.4668844]

>>4652229
Nah they just used it for cleaning dude not for painting

[Anonymous No.4668847]

>>4652343
Sargent lol

[Anonymous No.4669177]

>>4668101
that pic can't be from brian, right ?

[Anonymous No.4669195]

>>4669177

It is. Cant you tell from how absolutely abhorrent it is?

[Anonymous No.4669632]

>>4665650
thanks

[Anonymous No.4669684]

>>4669632

Osmosis jones fanart?

[Anonymous No.4669692]

>>4669684

[Anonymous No.4669734]

>>4668844
How do you think the French managed to get such flat surfaces on their paintings? They certainly mixed it with their oil. You just don't see it as a result of the glazes

[Anonymous No.4670416]

>>4668841

Oh.. shit. ok. Thanks. Gotta buy 10 lipsticks for the colorful version of it. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.4670433]

>>4667042

you altered a sol ring
Absolute madman :)

[Anonymous No.4671258]

>>4667174
Thanks for the advice still working it. Oil gotta dry

[Anonymous No.4671286]

>>4664571
My dip pens came by mail, really fun tool! I need to plan better where to hach and where to apply wash, the underside of the rock is quite messy.

[Anonymous No.4671778]

we're fogged in for the next few days so I'm doing some paintings

[Anonymous No.4671802]

>>4671778

Begone cumfarti

[Anonymous No.4671822]

>>4671778
daddy

[Anonymous No.4671827]

>>4671258
Don't use black to shade.

[Anonymous No.4671829]

>>4671286
Looks nice. I like it. Any other tips on using dip pens? I'm so used to fineliners, I've hard time getting started with them.

[Anonymous No.4671843]

>>4671829
Glad you like it. As for tips, I started using them yesterday, so I still have some getting used to it. Paper is extremely important, you need is some good strong paper, I used bristol board. I still haven't figured out how to avoid spilling the ink, many black spots are accidents.

[Anonymous No.4672554]

My lamp was looking pretty comfy

[Anonymous No.4672861]

>>4671286
For the bottom part, use a whote gel pen or even better, a white posca pen.
Instead of using a bunch of lines of black paint over white paper, use few lines of white over black ink, just to give form

I use this all the time, in this case I used it on the stars, sun and moon

[Anonymous No.4672888]

>>4672861
Looks great! This seems like the natural next step: getting more white tools to be more flexible. I only have a white pen, it's fine for the stars and dots.

[Anonymous No.4673251]

I'm /beg/ and only use 0 brushes. Probably need something bigger. Gonna experiment with low tack tape too.

[Anonymous No.4673515]

>>4672888
But you can also hatch lines with it!

[Anonymous No.4673563]

>>4660228
describes trad posters perfectly

[Anonymous No.4673599]

>>4673563

#notalltrad

But Brian and ilk, yeah

[Anonymous No.4673821]

>>4671778
nice mood

[Anonymous No.4673905]

Advise me

[Anonymous No.4673933]

>>4673905
working larger will make it easier to translate the specificity of the contours, if that's what you're interested in recreating. Sight size is not always the best method because painting=/=reference in terms of the detail of what you are painting.

If you really want to make distinct likeness of something you're painting you're going to end up having to paint it larger on a larger canvas because the weave of the canvas is thicker than what you are trying to accomplish, unless you plan on painting incredibly thick and ignoring the canvas texture.

Canvas texture, if put in terms of digital art, is more akin to making pixel art than a 10000x10000 digital illustration, in terms of what a canvas is actually capable of doing for a painting.

[Anonymous No.4673979]

>>4673905
Do some research into composition.
You seem to have a good grasp on your tools and getting the color and values right but the subject matter and the light effects are boring.
Good work though.

[Anonymous No.4674040]

>>4671778
>>4673821

Samefag

[Anonymous No.4674113]

>>4673933
Haven't they painted it on board, though, so why are you talking about weave even?
I never see why still lives have to be larger, I paint small ones and have for years. Why paint bigger, they're not landscapes or history paintings....

[Anonymous No.4675167]

did a portrait from a photo

[Anonymous No.4675209]

Forced myself to do something today. Mostly just playing with colors.

[Anonymous No.4675212]

cigdogga

[Anonymous No.4675699]

>>4660861
I finally got my gouache and >>4660895 is right. It's soooo fucking comfy.

[Anonymous No.4676842]

How do I turn drawing into a routine? I have such a hard time getting started. I have unrealistic expectations. How do I learn to accept being shit so that I can start improving? As it is now I find drawing unpleasant because my results are so crap, so I stop drawing and hence I don't improve.

[Anonymous No.4676844]

>>4675699
Looks lovely, lovely colours. What brand of paint do you use? Tubes or pans?
Why is it more comfy than say watercolours?

[Anonymous No.4677616]

Started oil painting during quarantine. Self potrait John The baptist style. Experimenting with colours.

I know the mouth and nose are fucked, going to fix them tomorrow and the ear is also a bit elfish. Any other glaring issues? I am thinking that ill just use yellow or pink for highlighting and paint the background black. And use a dark blue to mix in more shadows.

[Anonymous No.4677618]

>>4677616
Should be sideways t phone poster

[Anonymous No.4677623]

>>4676844
Arteza. I used 3 colors and mixed everything myself. Tubes.
Watercolor gives me cancer because I have to plan everything first. Gouache let's you cover mistakes and work dark to light or light to dark.
Colors start to lift if you work it too much in another layer but I found that even though a couple spots were unintentional, it gives a really lovely cohesion to the whole piece.

[Anonymous No.4677648]

>>4649776
The lighting seems fine, imo the things to work on here are composition (very boring), and overuse of gimmicks. I'm looking at the Bob Ross-esque strokes of the trees and the palette knifed grass blades and there isn't enough variation, very monotonous. I do like the atmosphere and where the grass meets the forest, though.

>>4657608
Stuff is looking pretty muddy because you're layering so many dry brushstrokes. Try to plan out your layers and strokes as much as possible.

>>4659092
Thumbnail is nice, so values must be working. Work on the fingers!

>>4666980
Face anatomy needs more consideration, make some measurements and paint over. Before you start blending those values, try breaking everything up into light, middle, dark.

[Anonymous No.4677651]

Oil monotype on paper. It's Darwin!

[Anonymous No.4677659]

>>4676842
Don't draw gross or stupid things.

[Anonymous No.4677735]

[Anonymous No.4678104]

>>4676842
Look at some good artists older works. Seeing that everyone had to start somewhere might make it easier to forgive yourself that you aren't there yet.

Next, focus more on the process than the result. Set yourself a rule that you have to draw everyday, even if it's just for 5 minutes. Getting started is usually the hardest part. If you even romotely enjoy drawing, it'll usually turn into more than that.
Set specific short-term goals. Don't just go "I need to improve my everything", but keep a list somewhere (phone, back of your sketchbook, doesn't matter as long as you keep it up to date) where you write down very specific things you want to improve at and how you intend to go about working on them.

Some other things that helped me when I was starting out were using (cheap) sketchbooks rather than loose paper since it helped me track the quantity of what I did more conveniently (like trying to finish a sketchbook each month), and to work in ways that I enjoyed, such as choosing subjects I like or have a connection to, or trying out different art supplies while practicing to keep things from getting boring.

[Anonymous No.4678112]

>>4677735
Nice job, I know it can be hard to paint trees in summer because everything is just green and brown.
Did you paint this on location? In some areas the texture you created by layering looks really good and appropriate (like the tree bark), but in others it looks a bit splotchy and could have benefitted from painting more wet-into-wet.That way you could have created a visual contrast between the more detailed textured areas and softer, more blended out parts. I realize that can be tricky on location though if the sunlight immediately dries your paper.

[Anonymous No.4678187]

>>4664457
williamsburg cuz im worth it bitch

[Anonymous No.4678190]

>>4664457
I've used W+N Artist's, Sennelier, and M. Graham, and while they all have subtle differences, I find it really doesn't matter. I bought some student grade paints recently, so we'll see if that creates a problem. My guess is, for general painting purposes, the quality of your work depends almost entirely on your skill and very little on paint quality, unless you're doing something hyperspecific where you need a particular kind of oil or consistency.

There are plenty of high profile artists who use lower quality materials because they happen to suit their needs better. Maybe it's more convenient for a particular kind of painting to use student grade paints with low pigment load.

A good artist can pull of something decent with a burnt stick.

[Anonymous No.4678461]

>>4655782
>im not a coomer im strong minded
lmao kill yourself degenerate fag

[Anonymous No.4678613]

>>4664457
I bought a tube of Gamblin 1980 once and it was absolute shit. Awful chalky consistency and low pigment load.

[Anonymous No.4679297]

>>4678461
>>4655782

The fact that people constantly feel the need to defend their side of this argument shows just how distracted they are by their dicks. Just make art. Porn is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.4679631]

>>4678112
Thank you. Yes, on location. And you are right: i should use more wet-in-wet to create blurred distance for example. But i have problems to give up control over the wetter areas in my paintings. Often they become muddy.

[Anonymous No.4679652]

>>4664591
The tree looks like something out of Berserk. Those flowers tho.

[Anonymous No.4679666]

>>4653722
>>4653727
got an ig? these are great

[Anonymous No.4679943]

>>4679666
Thanks. Nobody would look at the sites except for spam bots, so I'd rather post here when I feel like drawing.

[Anonymous No.4680393]

Should've made sure the crown and face were more symmetrical, but I'm really happy with this piece. Need to buy more ink.

[Anonymous No.4680479]

>>4649739

Work in progress of the next thing I'm working on.

[Anonymous No.4680823]

My first acrylic painting i actually like

[Anonymous No.4680874]

How do you guys feel about mixed media art?

[Anonymous No.4681294]

>>4680874
I have mixed opinions about it

[Anonymous No.4681710]

>>4680393
I like the composition in this, you should try to use feathering for the more subtle shapes, don't use unbroken lines for everything.

[Anonymous No.4681850]

>>4680874
I think it's fine. It really comes down to what's being mixed and why though. Like, something I've been wanting to try is using watercolors to make a base underpainting, and then go over that with something else to add in detail. Seems like it could yield nice results.

[Anonymous No.4681872]

Hello.

[Anonymous No.4681875]

>>4681872
One moar.

[Anonymous No.4681882]

did a nude study

[Anonymous No.4681974]

>>4681882
No studying involved there.

[Anonymous No.4682042]

>>4677735
dont allow for water to pool on your paper, thats why you have the rings around every layer of color you added. I disagree about the wet on wet technique for the most part, as that is used to add soft washes of color. If you want detail like you attempted to do, it needs to be wet on dry, more like, moist on dry.

[Anonymous No.4682044]

>>4680874
i generally hate trash artwork.
No one is going to revere that like they do a statue of david. its cute for like maybe 10 seconds, but no one would want to buy it and pass it down to their children. their children wouldnt want it.

[Anonymous No.4683081]

>>4680479
Progress shot.

[Anonymous No.4683131]

>>4681882
your paint stokes are too mushy

[Anonymous No.4683236]

>>4683131
>>4681974
yeah i was just scribbling, i painted the sunrise this morning this one's more of an actual painting

[Anonymous No.4683244]

>>4683236
Nope.

[Anonymous No.4683256]

>>4683244
why

[Anonymous No.4683267]

>>4683256
You've been told why a thousand times.
Begone cumfarti

[Anonymous No.4683271]

>>4683131

his brain is too mushy to ever produce something good

[Anonymous No.4683276]

>>4683267
Cope, looks good brian

[Anonymous No.4684516]

>>4683236
you should be more patient. It looks rushed and unfinished. Painting takes time

[Anonymous No.4684644]

I definitely overworked the clouds.

[Anonymous No.4684671]

>>4684644
what medium?

[Anonymous No.4684753]

>>4684671
Oil

[Anonymous No.4684943]

>>4681710
Thank you, and excellent tip. I'm still a complete /beg/ with ink wash painting, but I'll try to experiment more with shapes and edges.

[Anonymous No.4685820]

I'm getting into oil painting and I'm big on books. Any recommendations? I'm into realism and would like to learn about common techniques, when and how to use them and how to fix mistakes.
Also how the hell can you paint when gloss of the previous layers is so STRONG? I literally tried painting some shadows on apples but they came out so wrong. Couldn't see what I was doing most of the time! Any advice?

[Anonymous No.4685861]

>>4685820
Alla prima by Richard Schmid is my favorite. It's not very technical though. I've not read it but Harold Speeds book gets recommended a lot.

[Anonymous No.4686039]

[Anonymous No.4686049]

>>4686039
fixed

[Anonymous No.4686134]

Did an abstract painting