/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4616111]

How much more difficult does aphantasia make learning to draw? Like, 2x more difficult? 10x? And will learning to draw cure my aphantasia eventually?

[Anonymous No.4616127]

>>4616111
Give up

[Anonymous No.4616132]

>>4616111
with that mentality, you won't learn to draw

[Anonymous No.4616150]

Never gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.4616167]

>>4616111
6 gorillion X

[Anonymous No.4616218]

>>4616111
https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/memory
if you can get past level 10. you're gmi

[Anonymous No.4616222]

>>4616218
I got 7

[Anonymous No.4616223]

>>4616222
rip

[Anonymous No.4616229]

>>4616111
image source plz, im horny and dry

[Anonymous No.4616261]

>>4616111
It only makes it a little harder. You have to work like a concept artist does for every drawing. You probably won't have any issue with getting over symbol drawing as long as you pay attention to accurately portraying what's in front of you. Aphantasiacs are really good at realism (I went to an aphantasia artist show and there was a lot of photocopier tier stuff there) so learning fundies should be fine for you, however... Imaginative work can be troublesome, just come up with a concept you like and work it out on paper until you find something you like.

My biggest hurdle was composition, since I can't imagine things I have to know the rules really well to work things out on paper as a comp sketch first but all in all it results in better quality of work anyways. Just know your strengths and weaknesses and work really hard to overcome it in any way you can.

>Will learning to draw cure my aphantasia eventually?
I've heard that if you have any least a little bit of an imagination you can work to strengthen it. If you have dreams then you probably have some semblance of a minds eye, so working on visualization might eventually end up helping you. Just drawing isn't going to do anything for you.

[Anonymous No.4616266]

>>4616218
>https://humanbenchmark.com/tests/memory
11 *phew*

[Anonymous No.4616267]

>>4616222
do it for like 30 times. your average level will count

[Anonymous No.4616268]

>>4616111
you literally have no visual memory how can you hope to even draw anything is beyond me.

[Anonymous No.4616270]

>>4616267
I'm not wasting my time doing that 30 times, I've got manga to read

[Anonymous No.4616273]

>>4616111
so technically aphantasia works like you look at OP image and then you scroll down but then you try to remember OP image to jerk off but can't remember it!

[Anonymous No.4616280]

>>4616273
Yes, I can only see it when I look at it

[Anonymous No.4616294]

>>4616280

That's how it is for everyone. You're not supposed to literally see things when you close your eyes, you are just supposed to conceptualize them in your imagination. You probably don't have aphantasia. It seems like a lot of people get the idea that other people can actually see things when they close their eyes and assume that they have aphantasia.

[Anonymous No.4616308]

>>4616280
But what happens when you try to remember the pic?
You know what you looked at, right?

[Anonymous No.4616309]

>>4616294
>That's how it is for everyone.
Literally wrong, I can clearly recall and see the OP's image minus the background that I didn't pay attention first glance

[Anonymous No.4616316]

>>4616309
clearly? how many sweat drops there are?

[Anonymous No.4616337]

>>4616309
Dunning-kruger. You don't really have a clear inprint of the picture that you can just scan in your mind. If you were to redraw this pic from imagination right now, it would be all kinds of different.

Stop larping Sherlock Holmes, you don't have a mind palace.

[Anonymous No.4616349]

>>4616111
aphantasia is not real
stop malingering retard

[Anonymous No.4616353]

>>4616309

Yes, you can clearly recall it, with your IMAGINATION, but you aren't actually SEEING it. Meaning, if you close your eyes, you see the backs of your eyelids, not an anime picture. I've seen too many posts to the effect of "when I close my eyes it's just black, that must mean I have aphantasia" and that's based on a false understanding of what visual imagination actually is.

[Anonymous No.4616361]

>>4616316
2 on face one on chest and pussy-?? I can only see where I paid attention to, the others area are like when you blur on photoshop and it becomes vague shapes
>>4616337
I don't have a photographic memory so yes
If I where to study it it would come close though especially with the simplistic style that isn't overwhelming with informations

[Anonymous No.4616362]

>>4616353
whats the difference between seeing in imagination and "seeing" it? if I close my eyes I see it but it works better with my eyes open

[Anonymous No.4616384]

>>4616362

Wave your hand in front of your face and look at it. You are seeing a visual phenomenon.

Now imagine an apple while simultaneously waving your hand in front of your face. Does the thing you are imagining actually appear next to your hand? I'm assuming it doesn't, because there is no visual phenomenon, no use of your sense of sight. Your hand is real and it is going into your eyes as a visual input. The apple is not, even if you can conceptualize it in your mind.

[Anonymous No.4616388]

>>4616308
I only recall descriptive words;

>cat girl
>horny
>navel
>piss

[Anonymous No.4616390]

>>4616261
What ethnicity are you and what was the ethnic make up of the aphantasia art show? Im just curious

[Anonymous No.4616394]

>>4616388
can you imagine yourself?

[Anonymous No.4616395]

>>4616388
And what are these words then? Are they not part of your imagination?

[Anonymous No.4616400]

>>4616394
No

>>4616395
They're not visual

[Anonymous No.4616403]

>>4616400
What race are you?

[Anonymous No.4616406]

>>4616400
rip, give up, not worth drawing

[Anonymous No.4616407]

>>4616400
the photoreceptors in your eyes aren't affected by your thoughts you literal ape

[Anonymous No.4616411]

[Anonymous No.4616416]

>>4616400
>They're not visual
Well duh, but they are in your head despite you actively reading or looking at something.
I think you have wrong expectations about how the imagination works and have neglected it for too long.

[Anonymous No.4616420]

>>4616411
see or imagine, the blurry one is pretty much everyone, unless you force the details on your imagination yourself

[Anonymous No.4616421]

Can someone without aphantasia tell me how similar imagining something is to dreaming it while asleep? In dreams I've tasted food, seen it, felt the texture etc very vividly. But while awake I can't imagine anything at all. It is really frustrating.

[Anonymous No.4616422]

>>4616411
Imagination, mind's eye, black board, mind whatever it's called is irrelevant
How I see when I daydream which is having your eyes open but looking into your mind is like the left version

[Anonymous No.4616427]

>>4616421
Keep a dream journal. Get a laptop, set it to open to a notepad document wjen you open lid, disable backlight, and type away as soon as you wake up

[Anonymous No.4616431]

>>4616427
That doesn't answer my question.

[Anonymous No.4616441]

>>4616431
not similar

[Anonymous No.4616447]

>>4616441
So when I have a dream about squeezing a titty, I can feel it's warmth and everything looks so real. That's not at all how normal people imagine things while awake? I've been assuming everyone had the power to see perfectly like in dreams

[Anonymous No.4616457]

>>4616447

This meme is making normal people think they have aphantasia because people have so much difficulty explaining the difference between imagination and sensory phenomena.

[Anonymous No.4616459]

>>4616457
Okay but then explain how normal people can draw so well without being able to "see" the imagination ?

[Anonymous No.4616466]

>>4616459

1. normal people can't draw at all. A forum focused on art is not representative of the population... and even most people here are not great artists

2. it's possible to understand shapes, forms, colors, etc. and hold those things in your imagination without literally seeing them

3. a small percentage of people might have such vivid imaginations that they blur the lines between imagination and hallucination. Some of the world's most creative people are somewhere on the psychosis spectrum. However, don't assume this is "normal" at all.

[Anonymous No.4616469]

>>4616111
OP tries to create a new ngmi reason/meme for slacking. just search aphantasia on youtube and the top result is discussed by a creative professional who made it despite having the disorder.

[Anonymous No.4616473]

>>4616459
glen keane can draw well and he has aphantasia, now shut up and go back to grinding cubes

[Anonymous No.4616818]

Salgood Sam has aphantasia and he can sketch human anatomy from memory just fine. Same goes for Glen Keane.
You still have visual memory and imagination, you just don't access it in the same way. Even if you do have the ability to visualize it doesn't play as much if a role in the drawing process as you might think, at least not for me it doesn't.

[Anonymous No.4616837]

>aphantasia
yet another excuse to not draw.

[Anonymous No.4616908]

>>4616111
Aphantasia isn't real. The self-esteem issues that make you think you have aphantasia are, and that is the reason you will never learn anything until you go to therapy and learn to accept yourself.

[Anonymous No.4616927]

>>4616908
Fuck yourself please and thank you.

[Anonymous No.4617039]

>>4616837
This.
I believe in Anon, but he just won't stop making excuses. I feel betrayed.

[Anonymous No.4617468]

>>4616218
>>4616222
>>4616266
3 lives remaining lol

[Anonymous No.4617484]

Literally just fucking draw
If you had spend half the effort that you put into making these bait threads into actually drawing, you wouldve already been pro

[Anonymous No.4617521]

>34:38
https://youtu.be/_kkzrs1HUsk?t=2077

[Anonymous No.4617529]

>>4617521
>trace the picture that i see from my mind as a projection
i'm sure he is in the minority here

[Anonymous No.4617535]

>>4616111
i always thought the word 'visualizing' was some sort of metaphor bc i can't see shit and i can draw squatting slutty lolis so stop complaining and go draw

[Anonymous No.4617577]

>>4616218
got 12, however, this kind of thing can be practiced. i haven't seen any proof visualization can be practiced, but in theory it can be

aphantasia is extremely rare. however there is a disney animator with it, so it can't be too impactful.

[Anonymous No.4617593]

>>4616111
who is your fav princess connect girl, op?

[Anonymous No.4617696]

>>4616388
Is there some kind of aphantasia when you can only think in gelbooru tags?

[Anonymous No.4617725]

>>4617696
Aphantasia is literally your mind being stucked in symbol drawing mode

[Anonymous No.4618357]

You just need to study more sexy cat girls. Preferably flat cat girls since there's less to visualize there.

[Anonymous No.4618474]

>>4616218
biggest brain ITT

[Anonymous No.4619278]

If you draw from life, you don't even need an imagination so I don't see the problem.

[Anonymous No.4619941]

>>4617725
No, it's not. That's a pretty damn ignorant thing to say.

[Anonymous No.4620167]

>A good living environment
>Alternative hobbies
>Alternative creative outlets
>A healthy income
>A supportive family
>Supportive friends
If most of these are things you don't have, I'd strongly suggest not getting in to the art development process.

[Anonymous No.4620342]

>>4618474
congrats, you hit the average pattern memory of a chimp

[Anonymous No.4620352]

>>4618474
Not anymore

[Anonymous No.4620372]

>>4616218
I don't know how you could even fail under level 10

[Anonymous No.4620388]

>>4616218
If I practice this enough, will it make me good at drawing?

[Anonymous No.4620391]

>>4616218
fuck

[Anonymous No.4620421]

>>4616218
got 8

[Anonymous No.4620453]

>>4616411
That's not aphantasia, if anything that's just weak visualization. Aphantasia would be if the left image was completely blank.
Also I need a source.

[Anonymous No.4620454]

>>4620453
right image*

[Anonymous No.4620484]

>>4616218
Made it to 14, made it to 10 without missing a single square.

[Anonymous No.4620491]

>>4620453
Nope. Aphantasia means "underactive imagination" - this can range from seeing an image that is desaturated or unable to rotate, to seeing only a faint outline of an image, to nothing. Some aphantasiacs are capable of dreaming and imagining slightly, some cannot imagine anything but can dream, others have neither. It's just a part of your brain that is underactive.

[Anonymous No.4620493]

>>4616218
If you get past level 5 you already prooved that you don't have aphantasia.

[Anonymous No.4620499]

>>4616218
I made it to 13 before I got totally lost and I am an aphantasiac with zero visual memory. It's pretty easy to think "there is a square of 4 here, one square from the right there are 3 in a line" kind of stuff to keep track of it for me until that point. Also I guessed on 11-12 and got lucky so I shouldn't have really made it past that point.

I think your standard for "gmi" should be higher than 10 to weed out the aphantasiacs. Probably 15+

[Anonymous No.4620503]

>>4616111
Aphantasia shouldn't affect anything other than imagination.
There's no reason why you can't re-create things to a different scale.

[Anonymous No.4620505]

>>4616218
Got to level 9 and really started struggling after lvl 5. Am I a dumbass, /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4620507]

>>4616218
I got 10 exactly but i'm going to cope and try again once i haven't been up for 24 hours straight every other day for the past week.
A good nights rest is all i need, i promise.

[Anonymous No.4620508]

>>4620505
You're just really bad at memory games but you can also be a dumbass if you want

[Anonymous No.4620513]

Isn't the test just a practice for short term memory? That should be trainable.

[Anonymous No.4620518]

>>4620513
Yes that's why it's stupid. Aphantasia tests involve brain scans while asking you to imagine simple shapes and objects.

[Anonymous No.4620795]

>>4620491
Wrong you fucking dumbass. Aphantasia is the inability to voluntarily produce mental images. If you can produce an image then you don't have aphantasia.

[Anonymous No.4620800]

>>4620795
How do you even define a "mental image", when does something classify as an image instead of merely a thought?

[Anonymous No.4620810]

>>4620800
when you're reading /ic/ you're thinking but not creating a mental image
mental image is when you create an image in your thoughts, simple as that.

[Anonymous No.4620827]

>>4620795
Hey retard, how about you do some research into it instead of spouting bullshit? It's underactive imagination and it IS a range. You're either trolling or retarded if you refuse to even look up the shit you're talking about.

Your mom should have swallowed you.

[Anonymous No.4621635]

>>4620499
Nah, I got to level 14 and I have a visual IQ of 139. You probably have a high IQ for some part of your brain that is making up for low visual memory, and if you could apply this to art you could do great, because all proportions are is graphing their distance and size relative to each other.

[Anonymous No.4621691]

>>4616111
Aphantasia really isn't that big of a deal. I am almost certain that I have it, because when I try to visualize concepts in my head, I can not make out the details, and nothing shows up.

It's frustrating. there's no "Cure" i'd say. I'll give you the honest truth. If you have Aphantasia then you will probably have to use reference more than the average person I believe. There is nothing wrong with that btw. Some of the most adored artists had LIVE models in front of their eyes as they draw. You will have to really focus on your analyzation skills, which you should be doing anyway as an artist. You will also have to do more planning for pieces beforehand (Which you also should be doing as an artist anyway).

The more you draw, the more experience you gain. For example, I may not be able to visualize an arm in 3d space, However objectively speaking, I know that if I want to portray an arm reaching out to the viewer, I will need to indicate some perspective and foreshortening in my drawing. Look up some references of a foreshortened hand (Or make them yourself, I use daz studio, or one of my pose-able figurines.) and trace your reference. Really study and analyze how the form works, and then once you think you understand it, draw it yourself. always look back and check to see how you can improve now, and in the future.

Doing tons of gesture drawings really helps as well. For me at least.

I guess what im trying to say is that if you're serious about art, you will be fine. there's always a way to learn. and to be honest this is all stuff you should be doing as an artist anyway.

[Anonymous No.4621825]

>>4616218
Will I make it?

[Anonymous No.4621833]

>>4616411
Aphantasia is fake, people just can't explain how they imagine things, some think they can't imagine properly or any at all because they think others imagine 100% detailed images and people who say they see 100% detailed images are dumb idiots who know nothing or are trolls.

[Anonymous No.4621838]

>>4621833
>people who say they see 100% detailed images are dumb idiots who know nothing or are trolls.
100% detailed? No, not really possible as the brain fills in gaps and cant really focus on background details and the like. But 90% detailed main subjects or thereabouts, definately.

[Anonymous No.4621840]

>>4621833
Is it fake when you can't imagine even 1% of something? You're fake and gay. Shoo, shoo, little troll

[Anonymous No.4621841]

>>4616218
It would be nice if you could keep redoing levels of difficulty instead of having to go through the easy stages every time. If anyone knows a site like that let me know.

[Anonymous No.4621855]

>>4620391
lol good on your for putting the effort into making that

[Anonymous No.4622489]

>>4620800
Think of your mother, do you have a vague idea of what she looks like in your head? Then you don't have aphantasia

[Anonymous No.4622532]

>>4616111
>aphantasia

you guys are smoothbrained retards.

[Anonymous No.4622611]

>>4616218
14

[Anonymous No.4622636]

I think people with aphantasia might actually have it easier, that way you can focus entirely on what you are drawing without being interrupted by your own muddy inner imagery. Of course, this means you have to learn to draw by experimenting a lot, but it's pretty much an advantage.

[Anonymous No.4622908]

>>4620827
Never post again.

[Anonymous No.4623223]

>>4616218
12

[Anonymous No.4623508]

>>4616261
imo you don't really need imagination for composition. I know I personally usually just kinda feel it out as I do it, I don't picture anything in my head. Hell I usually don't really picture anything in my head when I draw ever really, I just kind of know what I want to do

[Anonymous No.4623790]

>aphantasia
Do you dream? If yes, then congrats, you don’t have aphantasia.
I thought it was just a reddit meme.

[Anonymous No.4623870]

>>4622908
That guy is sort of right, you know. It's like being blind, you can have no sight whatsoever or you can see but it's so little that you may as well not have eyes. When they test for aphantasia, they also count the 'legally aphantasiac' people, not just the deep end I-can't-imagine-a-dog-let-me-draw-a-kangaroo-instead squad.

But a lot of people who think they're aphantasiac aren't, because people are naturally shitty at imagining and visual recall. So you've got crazy people trying to imagine a Where's Waldo scene with 10000 characters from scratch, failing, and self-diagnosing themselves with aphantasia because of it.

[Anonymous No.4624320]

>>4616111
I have it. My process is to learn all the fundies, start drawing, and let it develop as I go. If I try to picture it first, it’s dogshit. But letting it develop is a series of choices, and choices eventually equal a style. My stuff is pretty cohesive these days.

[Anonymous No.4625097]

>>4623790
>Do you dream? If yes, then congrats, you don’t have aphantasia.
That's not how it works.

[Anonymous No.4625142]

>>4625097
Why not?

[Anonymous No.4625183]

>>4625142
Aphantasia is when you can't purposely imagine visuals. Dreaming is a separate thing.

[Anonymous No.4625353]

>>4616111
Why is there smoke coming out of your catgirl seymour?