/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4583259]

Is fake anime the legit worst art style to exist?

[Anonymous No.4583260]

I like it

[Anonymous No.4583265]

cope

[Anonymous No.4583270]

>>4583259
Yes, I can't think of something worse.

[Anonymous No.4583282]

>>4583259
Steven Universe, that shit has the worst art style ever

[Anonymous No.4583299]

>>4583259
It’s bad, but if you think it’s the worst you’ve seen nothing yet.

[Anonymous No.4583454]

>fake anime
It's not fake anime, it's just the French animation style that was popular in the 00's

Friendly reminder that anime was ripped from Western animation styles.

[Anonymous No.4583595]

>>4583454
Yes, but the problem is that Totally Spies and other just look cheap and too weeby in a bad way compared to the picture you posted

[Anonymous No.4583613]

>>4583454
french weeb style more like

[Anonymous No.4584284]

>>4583454
cope more

[Anonymous No.4584309]

>>4583454
>>4583454
>Friendly reminder that anime was ripped from Western animation styles.

Friendly reminder that this is a gross exageration and history revisionism that most normies unironically believe.

Yes, it is true that early Japanese animation looked alot simliar to western cartoons, specifically Walt Disney's animated films, but after the 60's it evolved it pretty much its own thing.

There was absolutely nothing produced in the west that looked remotely simliar enough to claim that it "ripped off" western animation styles.

French animation has the pho-anime style because anime in France has always been much more popular for the past several decades than it was in the United States. Many french comic book artists and animators grew up watching anime alongside their regular french programming way back in the 80s before Toonami became in thing for viewers in the US in the mid 2000's.

[Anonymous No.4584317]

>>4583259
Are actual anime and those obvious western imitations made with different animation softwares? I am curious because for some reason they always don't look like the real deal at all

[Anonymous No.4584325]

>>4584317
>actual anime
This can't be considered Anime son

[Anonymous No.4585327]

>>4583259
I'd argue it's a tie between the SU style and the John K. style.

[Anonymous No.4585330]

>>4584317
Yes and no, it depends on the Korean studio that's farmed to animate these shows. Though mostly it's just the designer's weebness showing. It's a side effect from having Japan animate so many cartoons in the 80s and that combined with the anime boom of the 90s/2000s just shaped art from then on, even when going for more cartoony looks.

[Anonymous No.4585332]

>>4583259
There are far worst things than that.

[Anonymous No.4587430]

>>4584309
what if Hitler had access to /ic/?

>>4585332
oh god

[Anonymous No.4587437]

>>4583259
Dude, this came out nearly 15 years ago. Times have changed.

[Anonymous No.4587466]

>>4584309
>Pho-anime
Stop you're making me hungry.

[Anonymous No.4587472]

>>4587466
i think he meant faux

[Anonymous No.4587517]

>>4584309

It's spelled "faux", from the French word for false or fake. Don't use big words if you can't spell them, makes you look dumb.

[Anonymous No.4587518]

>>4587430
>what if Hitler had access to /ic/?
He'd probably be a Architecture graduate that makes /pol/ meme art for fun while also doing serious landscape paintings and portraits of traditional white girls.

[Anonymous No.4587521]

>>4587517
Don't tell me what to do

[Anonymous No.4587545]

>>4587517
>>4587521

[Anonymous No.4587640]

>>4584309
>Yes, it is true that early Japanese animation looked alot simliar to western cartoons, specifically Walt Disney's animated films, but after the 60's...
so yeah, it was ripped?

[Anonymous No.4587651]

>>4587640
anon, that's retarded, it'd be like saying all tanks ever are ripped from the british mark I

the logic is flawed and you should feel bad

[Anonymous No.4588045]

>>4584309
>There was absolutely nothing produced in the west that looked remotely simliar
Astro boy was the first anime show ever created.
The author, Osamu Tezuka, credits the large eyes for the sake of "cuteness" as a style choice based on Betty Boop, which was created in New York.

[Anonymous No.4588140]

>>4584309
>Being derivative is a crime now

[Anonymous No.4588159]

>>4588045
>Astro boy was the first anime show ever created.
No it wasn't.
Osamu Tezuka popularized anime with his works, but he did not create the "first" anime.

What is it with normies and these uniformed memes about anime? Didn't CrunchyRoll educate you peons enough

[Anonymous No.4588164]

>>4583259
We get it you dont like anything that isnt anime. Youre a basic bitch /beg/ this isnt news. Here's the part where you pretend its not true by posting one of the 50 popular classic paintings that everyone here has seen every other day. Just admit it you dont want to develop or learn to like anything that isn't neon weeb tit candy.

[Anonymous No.4588189]

>>4587640
Initially all animation was similar because the techniques were limited. Obviously it all shares the same roots, and if you wish to keep reducing everything like that you might as well skip to protons and electrons.

>>4588045
>large eyes for the sake of "cuteness" as a style choice based on Betty Boop
Cuteness as a concept was invented in New York and first applied in the creation of Betty Boop.
"Universal" doesn't imply "derivative".

[Anonymous No.4588194]

>>4588159
I'll bite.
Anime technically refers to all animation produced in Asia, including Hakujaden from 1958, which however bears no traits characteristic to the modern anime style (large eyes etc.).
Since the thread is about art STYLES, Osamu Tezuka, also nicknamed the God of anime in Japan, is indeed the founder of modern anime style - and he derived it from Fleischer's Betty Boop.
The only thing worse than a weeb is a weeb in denial.

[Anonymous No.4588196]

>>4588189
>on an art image board discussing art and you move goalposts by saying "well if you go back to that, WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE BIG BANG WONT WE"
Literal faggot.

[Anonymous No.4588200]

>>4588189
>"Universal" doesn't imply "derivative"
No, it doesn't.
But it IS derivative in this case, as Tezuka himself admitted basing the style on Betty.

The style of Totally Spies may be derivative and based on anime, or it may not be derivative and based on the universal ideas about cuteness.
You'd have to ask the creators to know for sure.

[Anonymous No.4588207]

>>4583454
>it's just the French animation style that was popular in the 00's
Because the french fucking LOVE manga, you absolute dense fucking retard. Manga has completely taken over the french comic industry and eurocomics are just a special interest thing for boomers and small children.

[Anonymous No.4588229]

>>4588207
Wakfu doesn't even look like anime you negroid. It's volumetric, uses a different head model, plays with proportion and has actual character variety. If it's derived from anything it would be modern game design.

Anime is just slapping the same cute face on a semi-realistic body and duplicating it for every character, changing only hair and accessories.
Literally the only thing it has in common with Wakfu is enlarged eyes.

[Anonymous No.4588235]

>>4583259
Op you son of a bitch, way to bait the dumbfucks into arguing again. My man, you're a master baiter.

[Anonymous No.4588258]

>>4588229
Nah, "anime" styles actually have some diversity to them while still being recognizably "anime". It's like music genres, the definitions are pretty fuzzy and tend to be subjective.
>Anime is just slapping the same cute face on a semi-realistic body and duplicating it for every character, changing only hair and accessories.
Is a pretty dumb generalization, even though it's true for a lot of anime styles, particularly moe shit, there are plenty of shows and manga that don't, including some of the most popular ones like Bleach, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, and MHA.
Also throwing Ryoko Kui's Dungeon Meshi in because I fucking love her art.

[Anonymous No.4588267]

>>4588229
Wakfu is absolutely anime inspired you retarded amerifat. Nobody in france would deny that lol.

[Anonymous No.4588273]

>>4588229
If you don't think French animators aren't usually weebs or silver age disney fanatics, then you're retarded.

[Anonymous No.4588287]

>>4588267
Derivative and inspired are different words, anon. Either make a counter point or fuck off to /a/

>>4588273
Where did I say any of that, fag?
Wakfu wasn't even designed by animators, it started as a video game. Shows you don't know shit

[Anonymous No.4588289]

>>4588287
>videogames dont use character designers or animators

[Anonymous No.4588293]

>>4588287
Ok. Let's look at the character designer for the original wakfu videogame.
Let's look at his private art account and see what he's into and what seems to be his main inspiration.


https://www.deviantart.com/xa-xa-xa

Let's see what we will find.

OH LOOK! IT'S ALL MOE LOLI ANIME.

Man, how do amerifat "muh western style" copers like you even function, when every artist worth a shit you idolize is a huge weeb?

[Anonymous No.4588309]

>>4588289
>implies French animators are responsible for the style of a videogame

[Anonymous No.4588323]

>>4588293
Haven't seen a knockout btfo like that in a while.

[Anonymous No.4588327]

>>4583259
make a better argument or go back to /co/

[Anonymous No.4588328]

>>4588309
>the French don't make videogames
dumb niggie

[Anonymous No.4588343]

>>4588328
nice strawman u got there, bucko

>>4588293
>pic
Yea, totally an anime artist

[Anonymous No.4588350]

>>4588293
I like how he draws cute and less clothed ladies when in american fake anime like Avatar the characters are way less sexy

[Anonymous No.4588352]

>>4588343
>Dofus wasn't developed by french people
also pic related would've been called 'calarts' had you not picked a side to shitpost for.

[Anonymous No.4588353]

>>4588343
Why the fuck are you still posting when you got a new asshole torn?
Initially you were talking about how wakfu isn't anime inspired because no french person ever saw an anime or manga, then I post you the deviantart of the guy who did the character design for wakfu, filled with anime girls and now you're trying to move the goalposts by cherrypicking for 30 minutes for the one image from his account not entirely in plain smack anime style as if this proves anything?
Take a loss like a man you psychotic amerifat bitch.

[Anonymous No.4588356]

>>4588350
>like Avatar the characters are way less sexy
I don't think that their intention was to make the teen/weens sexy anon.

[Anonymous No.4588362]

>>4588343
>Yea, totally an anime artist
Actually, yeah.

[Anonymous No.4588380]

>>4588362
Fuck, this looks good. France is kinda like a western located Japan.

[Anonymous No.4588389]

>>4588380
France is nothing like Japan lol

[Anonymous No.4588398]

>>4588389
He's obviously talking about their ability to draw pretty anime girls. Not about the fish dishes.

[Anonymous No.4588399]

>>4588389
I just meant that they seem to have some pretty good manga artists is all.

[Anonymous No.4588414]

>>4583454
This. Anime would look totally different without Bande Dessinee

[Anonymous No.4588430]

>>4588353
>wakfu isn't anime inspired
didn't say that
>no french person ever saw an anime
didn't say that
>cherrypicking for 30 minutes
I don't sit here spamclicking refresh button

The picture proves he's got many styles going on, one would be calarts as someone put it, one would be anime, another is wakfu. It's not a style derived from anime, and that's been my point all along

[Anonymous No.4588444]

>>4588430
>He's got many styles going on
That could apply to any artist, the fact you took that calarts post sincerely shows you're a creatively bankrupt hermit. Fucking imbecile.

[Anonymous No.4588452]

>>4588430
>It's not a style derived from anime,
But it is. You can literally go to the dudes deviantart accoung, ask him about his favourite cartoons as a kid and like every french artist his age he will answer saint seya, dragonball and sailor moon. How do retarded amerisharts larp this hard with your incel-tier hatred for anime?
You know nothing of france, never been there and you make assumptions like a fucking retard like you know the comic scene here in europe where 90% of cartoons on tv since the 70s were anime.

Just give up you retarded amerifat incel coper.

[Anonymous No.4588481]

>>4588444
Yes, it could, what's your point, nigger?
Tezuka straight up said he based Astro boy on Fleischer's art, did something similar happen with the frenchies or are you just talking shit

>>4588452
>implying implying implying
so far none of your guesses about where I'm from or where I've been have been correct

[Anonymous No.4588485]

>>4588481
Let's go back to what you said
>another is Wakfu
So you acknowledge Wakfu as a property with a describable style, made from artists with different influences yet use shit like calarts/anime style haphazardly? That seems hypocritical.

[Anonymous No.4588531]

>>4588485
I used 'calarts' to refer to the style of this picture >>4588343 & 'anime' to refer to the style of this one >>4588293 , hence "as someone put it".

Bleach, Naruto, AoT, One punch man etc all have their distinct styles, but all fall under the umbrella term of anime, while wakfu does not. Why? Because
>Made in Japan?
Nope.
>Made by Japanese artists?
Nope. Xavier Houssin is French.
>Stylization similar to anime?
Nope. The general direction is different and largely defined by the needs of game design. If larger-than-average eyes make a style "derived from anime", then every modern artist between L.A and Tokyo draws anime art.

[Anonymous No.4588538]

>>4588531
But in the context of Dofus and Wakfu it clearly is, just because the noses are defined, there's less emphases on still shots and the artist hails from a different region shouldn't need to be the amount of hoops you should jump through to come to the conclusion
>"Oh, artists all over in the day and age of the internet and post cabel TV probably have similar influences"
This isn't the Baroque where artists are of the bourgeoisie top 10% in western countries. Pic related is pre-electricity, pre-internet, pre-anime/disney western art being influenced by eastern art.

[Anonymous No.4588564]

>>4588538
I agree. After the internet happened people can hardly claim that something is derivative from something else as a derogation, because everything has bits of everything else in it.

It probably started with >>4588207 claiming Wakfu is a fake-anime style, meaning derivative and lesser

[Anonymous No.4588582]

>>4588531
Your autistic refusal to give up, even after you've been proven wrong is insane. What do you even gain from continuing to spread bullshit even after you were BTFO several times? Like what's in it for you, other than a wasted afternoon and patching up your fragile ego?
Wakfu is absolutely anime styled, the guy who drew the character designs is a total weeb, is heavily into anime, counts anime artists as his biggest inspiration and yet you refuse to give up your points, claiming they got large eyes because of the "needs of gaming"?
How does a complete fucking retard autist like you even function in real life?

[Anonymous No.4588604]

>>4588309
Look at this dummy that doesn't know what fucking character designers are.

[Anonymous No.4591263]

Anime style is just a fucking meme. Anyone who complains about westerners stealing Japanese style is an idiot. What is the most generic Anime characteristics? Small noses and big eyes, which Japan got from disney, the west. Why can't westerners evolve Disney without being called thieves and weebs? Its our style orginaly. People act like simplifing the face isn't some logical conclusion and that it's the thought of only the Japanese dispite the Japanese orginaly getting it from the west.

Anime autists are literally just Japanese supremacist. All they ever do is worship Japan. I have seen cases were they side with the Japanese in ww2 and apologize for the fact that we fought back. This thread is a prime example of the Anime autists nature. Despite the fact that the Japanese blatantly copied early western cartoons, if you draw in a style that has large eyes and small noses you are a thief. How does this make sense when Anime evolved from Western influences? If we're to follow it logically they are the orginal theif.

Anime is also not a true style, since everything produced by Japan is anime. Look at something like madoka magica and berserk for example. These two ips dont come anywhere close to being the same style. If we were to say what style berserk orginated from it would clearly be western, since Japan never drew anything like it before European influences, and every scene not of a character could easily be mistaken for modern western. The only thing that isn't mistaken for western is the faces, which is bases off of western influences like Disney. If it's wasn't for western influences there would be no anime. They would be drawing in their traditional style by lamp light right now.

[Anonymous No.4591267]

>>4583259
God I wanted to creampie the redhead (Sam, I think?) so bad back when this aired on tv.

[Anonymous No.4591277]

>>4588582
Don't tell me what to do nigger

[Anonymous No.4591288]

>>4591277
ok tranny

[Anonymous No.4591297]

>>4591288
no u

[Anonymous No.4591327]

>>4588582
>everything with big eyes is muh anime

[Anonymous No.4592471]

>>4588582
>this seething sperg-out

[Anonymous No.4592491]

>>4583259
>NOOOO ONLY I CSN DRAW CUTE GIRLS WITH BIG EYES NOOO

you are actually pathetic, pyw

[Anonymous No.4592506]

>>4588582
It's an internet argument - act as if you're trying to convince the silent onlookers rather than the person in front of you, and it makes more sense.

[Anonymous No.4593465]

>>4588194
get his ass

[Anonymous No.4593474]

why are there so many retards complaing about shows that are specifically made for tiny kids in this board?