/beg/ - Beginners and cute birbs

[Anonymous No.4563823]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

previous >>4561356

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance.

Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

[Anonymous No.4563829]

here's mine from last thread

[Anonymous No.4563830]

>>4563823
Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

[Anonymous No.4563831]

[Anonymous No.4563832]

>>4563831
1. 11
2. 6
3. 12

[Anonymous No.4563837]

>>4563829
Looks traced, at least partially.

[Anonymous No.4563838]

I got today a brushpen and tried drawing from imagination without sketching, like Kim Jung Gi.

It felt a lot better than expected and making mistakes and not being able to correct them didn't bother me 10/10 would recommend.

[Anonymous No.4563844]

>>4563832
digitalchads win this round

[Anonymous No.4563845]

>>4563844
Liquify your way to success

[Anonymous No.4563846]

>>4563831
What is this a tracing competition? I feel bad for those who actually drew

[Anonymous No.4563847]

>>4563844
Is it easier to draw portraits in digital?

[Anonymous No.4563848]

>>4563847
No, but it's easier to fix mistakes.

[Anonymous No.4563851]

I've been working on how to draw heads, and break them down.
Im having trouble breaking down this style.

[Anonymous No.4563852]

>>4563851

[Anonymous No.4563853]

>>4563851
Loomis is clearly not working out for you there.

[Anonymous No.4563854]

>>4562493

[Anonymous No.4563855]

been doing the exercises on contour drawing from betty edwards (actually used the picture plane). i like how it turned out

[Anonymous No.4563856]

>>4563852
looks nice

[Anonymous No.4563857]

>>4563855
also, here's the shoe (i know i need to work on shading)

[Anonymous No.4563863]

>>4563856
I didnt do that, Im trying to find out how to
>>4563853
Give me you loomis example, I posted a spare

[Anonymous No.4563869]

How can i find pictures of models in poses, ideally very close up and (almost naked) so I can have some reference pictures of close-up scenes? Especially stuff that shows the limbs very close up.
I tried generally googling with various terms, such as
>sport apparel ad
>study joints
>anatomical study
>martial arts
Anyone know a reliable source, like a certain category on stock photo sites?

[Anonymous No.4563872]

how do i overcome defeatist attitude? i rarely want to do a drawing let alone finish one because i'll just get dissapointed and frustrated midway though for a mirad of reasons. i pratically believe improvement is nigh impossible no matter how hard i try

[Anonymous No.4563874]

>>4563863
I don't use loomis.

[Anonymous No.4563875]

Expressionless pretty women are difficult to draw for beginners since there's lots of empty space and the end result is highly dependent on subtleties and measuring and proportions - that being said your threadly ref for today is a feature packed old man

[Anonymous No.4563877]

>>4563837
Thanks. Comments on the shading?

[Anonymous No.4563879]

>>4563831
13 has best soul-skill ratio

[Anonymous No.4563884]

>>4563874
it shows

[Anonymous No.4563886]

>>4563884
u mad?

[Anonymous No.4563890]

done with this for now, was just figure practice anyways

[Anonymous No.4563892]

Does Loomis ever go over anatomy?

[Anonymous No.4563893]

>>4563892
Yes, but not very well, he does it with expectations that you already know anatomy

[Anonymous No.4563894]

>>4563831
Why did you save mine, I only drew like 20% of it and gave up

[Anonymous No.4563895]

>>4563893
So then how do I learn anatomy?

[Anonymous No.4563902]

>>4563894
So we can point and laugh at your low effort scribble.

[Anonymous No.4563914]

>>4563892
I'm a /beg/, but...

Other anons suggested me to read Hampton and Vilppu after Loomis' head construction chapter, and I'm currently going over 'Figure Drawing - Design and Invention' + random gesture drawing practices, which seems to help and feel more guided than 'Fun with a Pencil' when it comes to constructing a body.

[Anonymous No.4563932]

>>4563914
I'm studying Fun With a Pencil. When does head construction end?

[Anonymous No.4563958]

>>4563932
The entire first chapter is about the head. Second chapter is when he goes to body. I did do stick figures and their gestures there as well, but when he suddenly expects you to construct a full character from scratch with the wood mannequin photos as guides (and decide the proportions for yourself) was when I switched over to Hampton's book.

Also in regard to head practice, I felt Proko's videos were also a worthwhile watch because (IIRC) in addition to explaining the Loomis method he goes a bit more in depth about stuff like the placement and size of the side plane (oval shape) of the head, among other things.

[Anonymous No.4563963]

>>4563958
Thanks. Will check out Proko.

[Anonymous No.4563965]

Self portrait
1/2

[Anonymous No.4563967]

2/2

[Anonymous No.4563970]

Actually laughed out loud.
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.4563976]

>>4563965
>>4563967

[Anonymous No.4563977]

>>4563976
atleast i draw

[Anonymous No.4563983]

I have a weird question: does anyone know the word for the art mistake where you draw two things that line up or are layered over each other and make both things look distorted or fucked up?

[Anonymous No.4563984]

>>4563977
>>4563976
He got you there bro.

[Anonymous No.4563985]

>>4563965
go to a dermatologist pizza fuck

[Anonymous No.4563988]

>>4563875
you won't get zoomers to draw anything if it doesn't make their withered ED dick tingle.

[Anonymous No.4563990]

>>4563847
it's easier to do anything in digital except line art, I guess it's still faster on paper if you don't have a good screen tablet.

[Anonymous No.4563996]

>>4563983
tangeant.

[Anonymous No.4564002]

>>4563875
fack

[Anonymous No.4564014]

>>4564002
Rise and shine Mista Freeman

[Anonymous No.4564020]

>>4563996
thanks bro, time to tell my friend his tattoo is shit because of all the tangents

[Anonymous No.4564025]

>>4564002
Looks like Gorilla Bush Sr.

[Anonymous No.4564032]

>>4563967
>>4563965
Get some textured brushes or something, it will will get rid of that soft airbrush look that flattens the image to hell.

[Anonymous No.4564050]

>>4563875
>>4563831
>>4563832
I'm 11 for the record trying some trad after a long run of digital

[Anonymous No.4564067]

>>4564050
gotta be 18 to post here

[Anonymous No.4564068]

>>4564067
kek

[Anonymous No.4564074]

>>4564050
fuck I couldn't resist tweaking it on photoshop

[Anonymous No.4564081]

[Anonymous No.4564084]

Some WIP. Might just scrap it. something bugs me.

[Anonymous No.4564094]

>>4563875
My first attempt at drawing something other than some caricatures from the first section of Fun With a Pencil. Frankly I am shocked that I managed to make something that vaguely resembles a human. Please post someone with actual lips next time, I fucked up the whole thing trying to figure out how to give him a mouth consisting of more than a single line.

[Anonymous No.4564095]

>>4564050
looks great. did you use the same pencil for the whole drawing, including the darkest areas? which grade was it? i'm a complete /beg/ hence the questions

[Anonymous No.4564102]

>>4564094
the point is to try to draw what you see, not what you think is supposed to be there

[Anonymous No.4564110]

>>4564095
I did some construction with a 3H then I did everything with a 2B

[Anonymous No.4564116]

>>4564084
drawing is hard, anon. the difference between wonky and accurate is millimeters, sometimes less. her mouth is offset from the rest of her face and the eyes look like they belong on a face which is turned slightly to the right, contradicting the position of the nose

[Anonymous No.4564120]

>>4564102
Yes, I've read that a few dozen times and was trying to draw what I saw. Figuring out how to do that is the hard part.

[Anonymous No.4564128]

>>4564050
>11
>long run

[Anonymous No.4564151]

>>4564120
What's to figure out? If what you see when you look at a mouth is a single line, draw a single line.

[Anonymous No.4564161]

>>4564151
But I don't see a single line. I see thin little lips visible on about two thirds of the mouth, but I have no clue know how to replicate them.

[Anonymous No.4564169]

[Anonymous No.4564173]

>>4564116
>the difference between wonky and accurate is millimeters
This is too accurate anon

[Anonymous No.4564188]

>>4564116
Don't encourage people to become a tracing darling like most of the digital shitters in here >>4563831

[Anonymous No.4564190]

>>4563886
You should be mad with yourself for believing you work looks good

[Anonymous No.4564192]

>>4563875
>there's lots of empty space and the end result is highly dependent on subtleties and measuring and proportions
This is why I love drawing old men. Though based on pic related I'm apparently still not any good at it. Should've spent more time thinking and fixing the construction before adding details.

[Anonymous No.4564203]

>>4563976
At least he tries unlike you who have to settle for posting a "le epic" meme because your work is shit. Fucking edgelord

[Anonymous No.4564206]

>>4563823
Here are my birbs

[Anonymous No.4564209]

>>4564188
Found the schyzo nigger, why are you still here ? Go back to deviant art.

[Anonymous No.4564212]

>Found the schyzo nigger, why are you still here ? Go back to deviant art.
yikes

[Anonymous No.4564216]

>>4564161
Your eyes don't see lips. They see lines and shadows, which you interpret as lips. Your job is just to draw those lines and shadows, which if done successfully will then resemble lips. Your mouth got messed up because you were drawing lines that weren't actually there.

[Anonymous No.4564221]

>>4563875
>tfw losing hair at 24
Any tips for shading?

[Anonymous No.4564223]

>>4564221
kawaii

[Anonymous No.4564226]

>>4563875
I'm happy with the result, drawing old people is surprisingly fun. My only regret is accidentally changing his expression.

>>4563879
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.4564234]

>>4564206
Amazing looking birbs

[Anonymous No.4564259]

>>4563875
fun shit during a break thx

[Anonymous No.4564264]

reason i wrote japanese is because
let them read

[Anonymous No.4564267]

weebs are so fucking cringe

[Anonymous No.4564272]

In hindsight, the mistake I made was playing to my strengths when I don’t have any.

[Anonymous No.4564280]

>>4564272
your gesture is most of the time nice in my opinion

[Anonymous No.4564309]

>>4563895
I'm reading Bammes Anatomy Guide for artists, it's text is quite academic but the illustrations are beautiful. Vilppu videos have basic dinamic and Proko has an anaotmy course, never touched it though.

[Anonymous No.4564364]

>>4563831
Ranking the ones that drew traditionally:
05 > 13 > 09 > 08 > 02 > 03 > 01 > 10 > 07

13 and 09 having the most soul.

[Anonymous No.4564404]

beyond symbol drawing, there's another level of /beg/ness that I've been calling "formula drawing", probably someone else came up with it before and has a better name, but I don't know that

it's when you stop drawing symbols, but you're still not thinking in 3D. the most common form is in faces, because they're such a common thing to draw. by accident, you draw a good eye or mouth or nose, and from then on you ALWAYS draw mouths or eyes or noses that exact same way. you don't see the object in 3D, you can't manipulate it in your mind, but it looks passable enough that you keep doing it the same way and don't evolve. I did this myself until I realized it a few weeks ago.

try to unlearn that and see the face in 3D. it's hard.

[Anonymous No.4564429]

>>4564404
How do you go about learning to think in volumes/3D, anyway? Attempting one of the first exercises in the Vilppu drawing manual made it starkly clear to me just how deficient I am in this regard, but I'm not sure how to address it. I can imagine whatever I'm drawing as a 3D object and pretend I'm running my pencil along it, but a 3D object effectively has infinite contours I could run a pencil along, and before long I get mixed up regarding which contours I should be following and at what angle and my visualization collapses.

Other people say to to think of it like you're sculpting the object into the paper, but I'm not sure how to interpret that. I can imagine I'm sculpting an object, but the tools used are so different in my mind that I can't translate that to something I could be doing with my pencil. I know that's probably taking the analogy too literally, but I wasn't sure what else to try doing with that advice.

[Anonymous No.4564437]

>>4563830
Keep it up.

[Anonymous No.4564441]

Tfw spent all day drawing the girl from last thread then gave up

[Anonymous No.4564442]

>>4564429
My background, for context: I've been scrabbling since I was a kid. I did some professional work as a pixel artist and some 3D too, since 2015. I got into "real" drawing this year, never did it professionally.

I don't know about you, but when I draw a line on the canvas I know intuitively if it's right or wrong. most of the time I don't know how to turn a wrong line into a right one, but I can "feel" the wrong ones without thinking about it. I think the first step is (at least for me it was) learning to listen to that intuition. You've seen a lot of art, you know what looks good and what doesn't. if you draw a line and it feels wrong, stop and think about it.

[Anonymous No.4564458]

>>4564441
You should do it anyway, even if it's ugly, it's the best you can now make. You can always do better in the next one.

[Anonymous No.4564469]

>>4564458
Everything I've drawn/copied has been cartoon or anime, trying to properly capture human proportions is making me realize I'm braindead

[Anonymous No.4564476]

sill give it a try another day
this paper is awful to work with

[Anonymous No.4564490]

>>4564469
It's hard when starting, take one step at a time. There are some face landmarks that help with measuring and proportions, Loomis construction helps to get the tilt right, etc. Finding the middle axis helps with simmetry, useful because that face is (almost) a frontal pose. Learning to see spacial relationships, like negative spaces and shadow shapes helps a lot too. You ain't braindead, you are learning something new.

[Anonymous No.4564502]

>>4564280
Thank you, anon. Just sketching now.

[Anonymous No.4564503]

>>4564476
Are you drawing on sandpaper?

[Anonymous No.4564510]

>>4564490
Thank you man I'll try harder

[Anonymous No.4564512]

>>4564442
My intuition tells me that literally every single line I've drawn in my life is wrong. I wish I was exhaggerating. Given my current level of skill, my intuition may in fact be on point, but I've had to learn to block it out because listening to my intuition leads to paralysis and doing nothing but re-drawing lines forever. On a conscious level, I know I'm a beginner and I'm fine with my work sucking, but on a subconscious level my perfectionist tendencies may be working against me.

It may prove to be useful later, once I have more experience, though. I'm still very new at this. I unfortunately grew frustrated with my lack of progress with drawing as a teenager, and decided that it was impossible to learn if you weren't born with art-genes. I've dabbled a bit into pixel art and 3D modeling for some videogame mods, and I'm decent at painting miniatures, but I only have a few months of drawing experience.

[Anonymous No.4564523]

Besides fucked up proportions, I think I'm doing something wrong here. In the project 2-B of Keys to Drawing, you're supposed to emulate one of the artists' style given there. Turns out I may use some of the techniques that are used by it (in this case is a more relaxed trace and use of curves) but it doesn't look anything like something they would do.
These are from exercise 2-A that are to copy the drawing

[Anonymous No.4564527]

Man what's the proper brush for shading, assume I'm doing the thread ref. How do i make my shit not look like I just went on the side of an outline with consecutive darker shades

[Anonymous No.4564530]

And this 2-B where you're supposed to emulate the technique used by the one you copied before.
It can't be considered an emulation of it, it's too different from the formers

[Anonymous No.4564533]

the inter-dimensional beings take the form of what whoever contacts them desires most.

[Anonymous No.4564536]

@4564533
>never
>for a while

[Anonymous No.4564540]

>>4564503

no its called Pastelle, mohawk brand
but funny doesnt seems to work very well with pastel, maybe is for printing, I dont know, the texture looked cool and just bought it

[Anonymous No.4564541]

>>4564533
better resize

[Anonymous No.4564577]

I wish i knew how to get better at anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4564591]

>posting old men instead of cute girls
alternate ref here

[Anonymous No.4564592]

Also could somebody critique?>>4564577

[Anonymous No.4564602]

>>4564577
Same

[Anonymous No.4564606]

>>4563875
Soul
>>4564591
Souless

[Anonymous No.4564611]

>>4564592
I'm an absolute beg so take it with a grain of salt.

>looks good at first glance
>ankles are too tube-like
>waist and upper body look too small
>dress doesn't feel 3D enough
>the line to the right of the chin stands out by being very rough
>not sure but I think feet should be bigger

Please draw older girls.

[Anonymous No.4564630]

>>4564527
pls respond

[Anonymous No.4564635]

>>4564577
everytime I see your drawings your eyes are almost perfectly placed or sized and have a good amount of detail.
how do i learn this

[Anonymous No.4564657]

>>4564602
what's my nigga doing under there..

[Anonymous No.4564658]

>>4563823
Only high IQ Midnight Gospel watchers can critique this.

[Anonymous No.4564662]

>>4564611
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.4564669]

I know this is ok, but how can I make it good or even great?

What am I missing to push this?

[Anonymous No.4564678]

>>4564635
I just copied anime eyes and studied them enough that it ends up like that now most of the time.

[Anonymous No.4564679]

AAAGH ITS SO HAAAARD

[Anonymous No.4564680]

colors are retarded
fuck grey strawberries in the ass

[Anonymous No.4564684]

>>4564536
> @4564533
kek

[Anonymous No.4564686]

>>4564678
So why are you asking "how to get better at anatomy"? You do know the answer, you just want someone to show you some sort of secret magical shortcut. There isn't one. You fucking study. Just like you did with the eyes.

[Anonymous No.4564694]

>>4564669
>I know this is ok
barely.
>What am I missing to push this?
shadows
value range
scene depth
something to look at

[Anonymous No.4564697]

Could someone redline how the torso is supposed to connect to the pelvis in this pose?

[Anonymous No.4564702]

>>4563965
Needs more body fat

[Anonymous No.4564705]

>>4564657
I hadn't drawn the scene in my geimu yet. I thought that I would eventually draw it but never got to start drawing it until now.

[Anonymous No.4564711]

>>4564705
If your father knew that this is what what you would be doing in May of 2020 do you think he would've used rubber?

[Anonymous No.4564713]

>>4564169
btw when you use the resize website, download the resized image don't take a screenshot....Just giving you a heads up, I like your art

[Anonymous No.4564714]

>>4564711
I don't know.

[Anonymous No.4564715]

>>4564713
He was told this many times in previous threads, he doesn't seem to understand or give a fuck. Kind of based if you ask me.

[Anonymous No.4564722]

>>4564705
a futa game? i'm interested. where can i follow u

[Anonymous No.4564725]

>>4564705
>she
>her
dick = man, just admit you're gay and enjoy cock

[Anonymous No.4564733]

>>4564192

[Anonymous No.4564740]

>>4564722
twitter @ goseb90
I also occasionally stream on picarto tv but not too often.

[Anonymous No.4564757]

>>4564740
cool, what software do you use

[Anonymous No.4564761]

>>4564757
For drawing? I use either PS or CSP. I have a cheap wacom Intuos tablet.

[Anonymous No.4564762]

First attempt at hand anatomy, I still suck at making fingers. Wasn't really going for realisn anyway

>>4564429
>>4564512
Give Drawabox a try, or Dynamic sketching by Peter Han, which is what DAB is based on. ModerndayJames is decent too. The goal in the beginning is to just understand how to break things down into simple shapes, making it easier to plot out. A box connected to a cylinder is far easier to place in 3d than a head and neck. From there you can break them into more and more shapes as you get more comfortable with it.

>>4564577
Study from life. If you want to learn how to draw an arm then find pictures of arms an copy them.

>>4564679
Try practicing drawing a head without any features at multiple angles. A well structured head helps a lot. Use the Loomis meme head or any other method you find works.

>>4564725
Futa and trap is peak Bisexual and nobody seems to understand that.

[Anonymous No.4564763]

>>4564761
cool, i'm csp using a huion, probably equivalent.
i'll tune into your picarto at some point, peep the progress and pick up on software tricks that idk yet

[Anonymous No.4564776]

[Anonymous No.4564779]

>>4564776
That box doesn't seem to be agreeing with the man's perspective.

[Anonymous No.4564797]

>>4564763
Even though it's 3 AM, I'm going Live.

[Anonymous No.4564800]

Trying to draw random objects around the house.

[Anonymous No.4564803]

>>4564800
ref

[Anonymous No.4564807]

Keys to Drawing exercise. Really sad because it looks like shit. Forcing myself to post to thicken my skin a little bit.

[Anonymous No.4564813]

Using hard only and 3 values to learn shapes and shadows

[Anonymous No.4564816]

Can I get some feedback?

>>4564591

[Anonymous No.4564822]

>>4564813
too much gray on his right cheek, not enough white on the left and eye socket

[Anonymous No.4564824]

>>4564797
you didn't advertise on twitter?

[Anonymous No.4564825]

>>4563520
>>4563524
Sorry for not replying earlier, my connection dropped. Here's the original drawing.

[Anonymous No.4564843]

>>4564824
No, I didn't. I only went live on picarto.

[Anonymous No.4564858]

>>4564188
Is this >>4563829 traced?

[Anonymous No.4564884]

How does everyone grip their pencil?
How does everyone sharpen their pencil? Best way to sharpen an No. 2 with a razor blade?

[Anonymous No.4564901]

was trying to learn Charles Dana Gibson(which is hard cause he is dead) and little bit of comic book girls like lees. Any advice?

didn't draw hair still i got face right

[Anonymous No.4564912]

what is this

[Anonymous No.4564917]

>>4564272
I love this, blog?

[Anonymous No.4564920]

>>4564705
>futa on male
I am ultra interested. You have a twitter ?

[Anonymous No.4564925]

>>4563844
i would say part of it is because none of the tradfags here know how (or bother to) post-process their images to make them look better on a display.
it's no surprise, crappy cellphone pictures of a crappily-lit piece of paper will not give great results out of the box. at least use exposure compensation to make the paper look somewhat white, and increase the contrast to make your values look somewhat ok.

[Anonymous No.4564928]

HOW THE FUCK DO I DRAW EYES?

[Anonymous No.4564930]

>>4564912
Derivative shit

[Anonymous No.4564932]

>>4564669
you're still symbol painting your colors. “i know leaves are green, i'll paint my leaves green”
look at a real tree, leaves have highlights and shadows and those aren't perfectly saturated green.
i would also work on the composition before committing to a whole painting. right now it doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.4564955]

Crits, please.

[Anonymous No.4564966]

>>4564920
yeah>>4564740

[Anonymous No.4564980]

Couldn't be fucked to fix it. Annoyed by how i messed up the size and placement of stuff. I really need to grind eyes for a while. Did a figure too.

[Anonymous No.4564986]

>>4564725
Why do you treat "she" and "her" as respectable titles that must be earned?

[Anonymous No.4564987]

>>4564169
Peak soul. Keep going, I saved some pics from you.

[Anonymous No.4565037]

>>4563875
i feel like i need to learn to see the whole picture and make a more rough sketch before jumping to the details. like, i noticed his chin is too small way too late. also, need to learn proper shading

[Anonymous No.4565048]

>>4564980
Not /beg/

[Anonymous No.4565090]

>>4563875
Why don't you write or visit your old man anon?

[Anonymous No.4565100]

>>4564679
Retard

[Anonymous No.4565101]

>>4564955
good effort, looks muddy, draw bigger

[Anonymous No.4565120]

>>4563875
>>4564591
why not both?

[Anonymous No.4565124]

>>4565101
why draw bigger?

[Anonymous No.4565134]

Finally finished this piece

[Anonymous No.4565135]

>>4564591
The anon in >>4563875 just fucking said why we shouldn't use cute girls, retard

[Anonymous No.4565136]

Here's the same one plus the addition of the virgin and crosshatching as I originally intended. Im not sure about the crosshatching though, I think It blurs the contours of the figures too much.

[Anonymous No.4565151]

I'm gonna go through anatomy for sculptors.
Is there anything that I should do while going through it?
Do I draw every single diagram to drill it into my head?
How many pages should I do a day?
I was thinking maybe 5 so I finish in about 40 days without over exerting myself.

[Anonymous No.4565177]

[Anonymous No.4565188]

>>4565151
I'm doing another book but one tip I'll give you is: sketch the diagram first, then try to "move it" from imagination. Try rotating it in perspective. If you just copy and don't understand how to implement it in 3D, it may not stick. You should spend as much time on each drawing as you feel confident you understood it.

[Anonymous No.4565194]

I'm >>4563829 and >>4565090, any care to comment on either of them?

How could I improve the shading on the girl? Just practice more?

[Anonymous No.4565197]

>>4565194
>>4565194
The way you shade makes it look flat, try to follow the form

[Anonymous No.4565210]

>>4565197
Saved, thanks! Gonna practice

[Anonymous No.4565237]

I fucking give up, just gotta accept that I'm clinically retarded and will never comprehend how to do this

[Anonymous No.4565240]

First time painting, didn't know what brush to use so I used a soft round brush
What are some good brushes for painting in photoshop?

[Anonymous No.4565247]

>>4563851
Established exaggerated styles like the one you posted are done without much regard to the strict rules of e.g. head construction in this case and usually have their own internal set of rules. The artist will nudge things where they shouldn't be in order to create a more appealing final drawing at the expense of technical accuracy, (for example if you were to create a 3D model based on one of the drawings and then rotated into the angle of the other drawings, they wouldn't match up) but it still follows basic shape/depth/anatomy rules.

You can't start with drawing like this without first thoroughly understanding the basics, so I'd suggest grinding Loomis and studying until it clicks, but also try to make your own stylized drawings and compare them to the existing ones, ask yourself what was done and why, and what would've it looked like if it were done in another way.

[Anonymous No.4565274]

[Anonymous No.4565276]

>>4565274
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3X1bTGsOyQ

[Anonymous No.4565298]

he is kind of wonky, and think is 20years younger or something.
still trying get this anime girl thing

[Anonymous No.4565315]

>>4565240

I did a superquick and sloppy overpaint for you, mainly focused on the left side because i'm short on time. This is a very good effort and you seem to have a good eye for colour. Don't be afraid of using the hard brushes, I retouched a few edges for you and as you can see things with hard edges come into focus better. Mind your ellipses, the bowl still isn't great but it's a bit more believable now. Anyway good luck, hope this helps.

[Anonymous No.4565322]

I'm spending too much time colouring and experimenting, I think I'm just gonna stick to simple cel-shading since this is my 3rd drawing.

Pick out my mistakes please <3
i can name:
>background(i spent 30 seconds just to have something, i know the lighting is super off for a beach), weird perspective, ear not in the right spot, no effort mouth, nose too small and slightly wrong postion, overall weird amatuer shading, 0 idea of anatomy, super basic eyes.

Alot of what I'm doing wrong is due to having no basis of art knowledge, especially anatomy but i think I'm doing really well considering i've been drawing for about a month on and off collecting resources.

[Anonymous No.4565335]

>>4565315
Okay, s use harder brushes to outline and separate different features, appreciate it dude
Here's the reference photo I used

[Anonymous No.4565361]

>>4565136
the first one without the virgin looks better, you’re right about the crosshatching. If you want to finish it nicely I’d add a little more detail and contrast to virgin since he’s in the foreground and you’ll be set, you also might want to crop it a bit to tighten up the composition

[Anonymous No.4565404]

How off am I?

[Anonymous No.4565405]

[Anonymous No.4565451]

[Anonymous No.4565458]

I do not understand anatomy. and anime girls. But it make sense to me..

[Anonymous No.4565461]

>>4564980
You actually got the values really nice, you got the shading on the hair better than most anons here.
But everything with the face itself is fucked and you direly need to use proper construction.

[Anonymous No.4565464]

what's the point of learning the rhomboid minor if it's going to get covered by the trapezius?

[Anonymous No.4565468]

>>4565404
Your angles and proportions are off.
Always draw the whole figure, not drawing the head and the hands just slows your progress.

Can you post the ref pic by itself?

[Anonymous No.4565469]

>>4565177
I see you switched to painting sizebro, I'm happy to say your drawing retained the same amount of soul.

[Anonymous No.4565473]

>>4565404

[Anonymous No.4565476]

>>4565464
You can spot some of it with lean and muscular models.

[Anonymous No.4565483]

>>4565468
Here ya go. I was gonna save those for last since they're not very visible in ref and I couldn't figure it out, but I'll try next time then

[Anonymous No.4565486]

>>4565476
ok thanks

[Anonymous No.4565487]

>>4565483
thanks man

[Anonymous No.4565489]

>>4565464

It's not always totally covered, depends on the pose.

[Anonymous No.4565505]

[Anonymous No.4565507]

Fuck heads. Fuck them. FUCK

[Anonymous No.4565515]

what's this yellow part meant to be?
I always thought it was the latissimus dorsi but now after looking through anatomy I'm starting to think it's the teras major.
What is it?

[Anonymous No.4565516]

>>4565505
Nice work.

[Anonymous No.4565535]

>>4565515
It's Spider-Man's underarm webbing

[Anonymous No.4565544]

I did the front and profile heads from Fun with a Pencil, how am I doing?

They look pretty good to me.

[Anonymous No.4565581]

>>4565507
You have good control of the nose bro. Keep grinding.

[Anonymous No.4565608]

>>4565237
maybe try reading and practicing "the new drawing on the right side of the brain" or something similar. i'm currently doing the exercises from it and copying has already become easier for me

this is my attempt >>4565037
of course, it still has many mistakes, but after i drew it i did the chapter on negative space and measuring unit and i feel like my next drawings will turn out better

(btw, i drew that man upside down)

[Anonymous No.4565641]

[Anonymous No.4565656]

Where does it all go so wrong /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4565661]

how do I draw what I see while simultaneously constructing and drawing things I cannot see. Every piece of advice seems to contradict each other

[Anonymous No.4565667]

>>4565661
There are construction principles behind drawing what you see, when you see an eye, you need to draw what's there, and not the visual symbol of an eye you have in your head, however in order to draw what you see correctly, you need to know the usual shape of an eye, how it sits in the head, the perspective it's in, how to shade it, etc.

[Anonymous No.4565672]

Can someone help me identify what brush they used?
On procreate

[Anonymous No.4565673]

>>4565656
Underlying structure looks 3D.
Do the same thing for the features, like the eyes and nose.
Do to the eyes and nose what you did to the shape of the skull/head.

[Anonymous No.4565675]

>>4565672
You can get this with a normal hard round brush

[Anonymous No.4565680]

>>4565675
Can't tell if u are joking
Is the line also round hard brush also?
Honest question
And if your reply was honest thanks

[Anonymous No.4565684]

>>4565641
Head too round

[Anonymous No.4565689]

>>4564577
First just use more perspective and your image will immediately look better. Use the eye line as the center and then make it steeper and steeper from there.

[Anonymous No.4565691]

>>4565680
Hard round brush added w/ noise
So possibly a round sketch brush

Either way it will look the same because the lines are too small to show texture.

All this person did was fill color in in flat shapes so it doesn’t matter what brush for coloring desu.

[Anonymous No.4565697]

>>4565691
Much thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4565698]

>>4565691
who can i study to get this mans artstyle. he never made a how to or anything since he died in 1994 so studying his drawings is hard

[Anonymous No.4565700]

I don’t know what I’m doing with figure drawing. I get to something like this and I don’t know what to do anymore. I’m starting with a gesture but then I get to this kind of point and don’t know what to do. Everything I draw looks so messy too

[Anonymous No.4565701]

>>4565673
Any resources for this? I don't think I saw anything on how to go about doing that in Fun with a Pencil

[Anonymous No.4565702]

who can i study to get this mans artstyle. he never made a how to or anything since he died in 1994 so studying his drawings is hard

[Anonymous No.4565703]

>>4565661
learn draw cube. learn draw sphere. cut pieces from them. intersect them.
look at bottle on table. break down to spheres and cubes.
look at hand. break down to cubes and spheres.
copy, absorb, problem solve, learn what works for you.

[Anonymous No.4565708]

>>4565684
Fuck the fead. I don't care, i just won't draw a bold people. THE FUCKING EYES BOTHER ME

[Anonymous No.4565719]

>>4565702
dude nails expressions. i likey.
replicate his drawings. trace a few even. then try applying what he does to some photos of your own.

[Anonymous No.4565728]

>>4565719
the nose,mouth and jaw are easy. its the eyes i can never understand how to copy


anybody know how to break it down here for me?

[Anonymous No.4565761]

>>4564816

[Anonymous No.4565814]

hey Illastrat kys you dumb ape

[Anonymous No.4565816]

>>4564816
>>4565761
>3.05 MB, 2340x3120

[Anonymous No.4565817]

>>4565728

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6-bCgRmcko

Then just hatch shade in the direction of the planes instead of with a tilted edge

[Anonymous No.4565830]

>>4564816
>>4565761
You didn't really capture the angle or the expression, make sure those are about right before you proceed. Your expression of form is kinda weird mix of contours and hatched shadows which is definitely not a wrong way to do it but it still means your values must be correct for the face to read as a face and the whole thing to not look flat. For example look at refs nose shadows darkness compared to yours. Also your contour lines are scratchy in places where they should be clean, like the jaw of young woman.

Also it would help to get crit if you bothered resize your images to ~1000pix

[Anonymous No.4565833]

Anything to fix before I colour it in tomorrow?

[Anonymous No.4565842]

>>4565833
Already noticed the ear being way too high up.

[Anonymous No.4565847]

>>4565833
zoom out when you draw the head is way too big for that body and dont outline the lib you can do with colors the nexk is also too the left and the eyes are too high

[Anonymous No.4565851]

>>4565847
fuck phoneposting

[Anonymous No.4565859]

>>4565847
>the nexk is also too the left
Could you elaborate on this a bit more? Do you mean it's too much to the left or that it should be more to the left?

[Anonymous No.4565862]

>>4565656
My nigga just the book FOR ONCE instead of copying the construction pics

[Anonymous No.4565863]

>>4565833
uhhh i think you got the wrong hand sweetie

[Anonymous No.4565867]

>>4565672
Hard round

[Anonymous No.4565870]

>>4565859
the neck is too to the left it shoul be more to the right, also this>>4565863 and don't forget the eyes look at that nose she looks like a negro

[Anonymous No.4565875]

>>4565863
Have I? That's supposed to be her right hand, although admittedly it does feel a bit janky to recreate that pose. Should I rotate it so that the hand points towards her left shoulders instead?

[Anonymous No.4565876]

>>4565700
You need to study anatomy of torso,hips,feet,hands,head (from skeletal to muscular) to progress beyond this point.
Don't get overwhelmed and just chip at it step by step.

[Anonymous No.4565878]

>>4563875

[Anonymous No.4565879]

>>4565862
Literally 100% of /beg/ Loomis heads look like this. There are NO exceptions. Are you telling me that ONE HUNDRED PERCENT of people who come to /ic/ and claim to read Loomis are not actually reading him? Or could it maybe be that the book actually sucks?

[Anonymous No.4565894]

>>4565876
Thanks. I have actually done some anatomy study already, I just don’t know when Or how to apply it to a drawing. Should I be making things to the level of pic related, then drawing anatomy over it?

[Anonymous No.4565898]

[Anonymous No.4565905]

some WIP on old man

[Anonymous No.4565916]

birb :>

[Anonymous No.4565928]

>>4565879
Ive literally never seen a beg fuck up simple proportions for as long as this guy. Which makes me believe he completely ignored all instructions and just did construction according to his own interpretation.

[Anonymous No.4565931]

[Anonymous No.4565936]

>>4565833
The lips outlines are temporary.

[Anonymous No.4565937]

>>4565879
Dunno whether the other guy's gonna believe me but I have read all the head part of Fun with a Pencil. It's pretty hard to make a good head tbqhwyfam.

Another anon suggested "making the features 3D" which sounds like great advice but I do not know where to start. Any advice on which resources I could use? I'm doing Keys to drawing right now btw.

[Anonymous No.4565940]

[Anonymous No.4565944]

>>4565928
I'm trying to use this as reference but I can't seem to get other angles right
>>4565544

[Anonymous No.4565957]

>>4565879
I used to avoid hands and feet in my figure drawings, it took me a few weeks of studying feet until I got competent at them, for hands it took me longer (I'm still struggling with them). Now though all my figure drawings include feet and hands and I actually enjoy drawing them.
Just keep practicing anon, the gains will come eventually.

[Anonymous No.4565959]

>>4565916
Cute!

[Anonymous No.4565962]

How do I into gesture drawing?

[Anonymous No.4565963]

>>4565957
Meant to reply to
>>4565894

[Anonymous No.4565976]

i just want to draw cute animes

[Anonymous No.4565992]

Everyday I'm like "I'll draw later" until it's too late and I either don't draw or half-ass it, thus I don't make any progress. I think I should make myself a schedule to force me to draw but I don't really know how to make it. I'm interested in drawing people. Any ideas?

[Anonymous No.4566015]

>>4565992
I'm gonna draw later and there's nothing you can do to stop this

[Anonymous No.4566068]

>>4565862
I reread the book to make sure I got the proportions right and used >>4565641 as inspiration for the features.

Behold my latest masterpiece

I'll be really grateful for any critique / advice you anons would impart upon my person

[Anonymous No.4566075]

Here is the non-troll version

[Anonymous No.4566085]

>>4566075
He still has a pretty big forehead tho doesn't he. Big brain boy.

[Anonymous No.4566090]

>>4566068
>>4566075
Post something unironically and I'll gladly give you critique/advice

[Anonymous No.4566092]

>>4566068
It's important to find relationship between width and height as well. Typically the width of the head from along the browline is up to the hair line although you will want to measure many heads to find some ratios. Rarely is it up to the browline though which is where you missed the mark by a substantial amount. That's why your head looks like a horse-head or something.

[Anonymous No.4566095]

>>4566090
My dude, you better believe that I'm putting my full effort behind each and every head I post. Both of those are unironically my latest attempt at making a good head, combining what I read in Loomis Fun with a Pencil and the planes of the head the other anon posted. I'm being 100% serious. If you have any advice or resources or whatever I will gladly take it.

[Anonymous No.4566113]

Is it a healthy mindset to think that you'd be a good artist if you can visualize what you want but you can't physically draw it? I don't want to get too cocky or optimistic.

[Anonymous No.4566123]

>>4566113
Im just a shitter but I would assume if you can't at least approximately draw what it is you are envisioning/imagining, then you probably aren't envisioning/imagining it as well as you think you are. Similar to how people say they sound really smart in their heads, but when they speak outloud or write down what they're thinking, it seems stupid or "comes out wrong". These things seem better in your head because our brains are very good at tricking us when it comes to these sorts of things.

[Anonymous No.4566128]

>>4565830
Thank you

[Anonymous No.4566132]

>>4566075

[Anonymous No.4566146]

went back to repolish an old turd
how the FUCK do I into soft values bros?

[Anonymous No.4566153]

>>4566092
>the width of the head from along the browline is up to the hair line although you will want to measure many heads to find some ratios. Rarely is it up to the browline though

Thanks for the advice but I'm not sure I'm picking up on it. If I understand correctly, the width of the head should be equal to the height from the browline to the hairline? When you're talking about heads, are you refering to the cranium? (the ball base in Loomis method).

It's weird cause I'm pretty sure I'm interpreting Loomis measurement correctly but obviously I'm not cause my heads look retarded.

[Anonymous No.4566169]

Is it bad to do still life paintings if I'm terrible at drawing people?
Or should I just continue doing this to help get basic shapes and shading down?
I'm very bad at drawing people

[Anonymous No.4566170]

>>4566169
reference photo

[Anonymous No.4566171]

What do you think ?

[Anonymous No.4566176]

>>4565962
maybe try the free courses here: https://www.lovelifedrawing.com
i haven't done much myself, but the explanations seem helpful

[Anonymous No.4566177]

>>4566169
technique is technique and can be translated from subject to subject. you good bro.

[Anonymous No.4566186]

>>4566171
Improvement

[Anonymous No.4566187]

>>4566153
Two redlines should be roughly equal. Not exactly. I've found the width of the head is somewhere in the purple circle from the jawline to the hair line.

[Anonymous No.4566188]

>>4563875
now i can see how ugly this >>4565037
looks lol

my second attempt

[Anonymous No.4566200]

>>4566146
Block in the values first and then start softening up from there. This supersoft rendering rarely works out unless you are going for photorealism.

[Anonymous No.4566208]

>>4565957
that's an amazing drawing

[Anonymous No.4566209]

>>4566187
OOoooooooh right OK thanks! That's not in Loomis at all though is it? Following his method as described in Fun with a Pencil you should get a lower jaw and a head that's longer than it is wide.

Good tip though, thanks. I'll try it out on my next monstrosity.

[Anonymous No.4566218]

Some more WIP

>>4566209
It's in the book somewhere, it's incredibly brief and I think it's only the image where he even shows the ratio of width to height. but it's there.

Regardless, it's something you have to measure. If anything it's better to err on the side of a more squashed face.

[Anonymous No.4566231]

>>4566200
The problem with this particular ref is that the lighting is so flat and there are almost no sharp shadows. Everything is just thin and blends together, making recognizing shapes of values pretty hard. I tried to up the contrast but it didn't help me much.

[Anonymous No.4566234]

le 56% face

[Anonymous No.4566254]

>>4566068
>>4566075
is that Battlefield Counterstrike?

[Anonymous No.4566256]

>>4565940

[Anonymous No.4566277]

>>4565992
since i started learning to draw (a few weeks ago) i haven't missed a day. it's just so interesting i don't want to skip it

have you had such streaks yourself? what did you enjoy about drawing then? is there a way to make the process fun again?

also, you might try following some cool book or a course or a youtube channel - it can help to keep you engaged

[Anonymous No.4566318]

New
>>4566298
>>4566298
>>4566298

[Anonymous No.4566426]

>>4563875

[Anonymous No.4566502]

>>4565247
Much appreciated

[Anonymous No.4566746]

>>4565689
Thank you

[Anonymous No.4566823]

>>4563869
search for "human-engine" on sketchfab, they have realistic 3d models you can zoom in and out of.