/beg/ - Beginner's Trials and Tribulations - Your Waifu Ignores You Edition

[Anonymous No.4551239]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the Drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make YOURSELF feel proud.

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES TO ~ 1000px, <1.1mb

1.-screenshot the image and post that instead

2.-change camera capture settings to something smaller

3.-send to computer and resize in MSPaint

? ? ?
There's a really old sticky in town! You can fucking read it at:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>4549506

[Anonymous No.4551253]

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>No rules lol
/beg/inner posting is encouraged.
Every point of view is valid even if you were a day into art.
You MUST give advice and/or critique other people's work in order to have healthy interactions with each other so we all can make it.

>Before you post your work
1. It's true that the sticky is a bit outdated and most people don't care for reading it or even do the excerise of the upside down Stravinsky so if that is your case you've come to the right place,
people in here is waiting for you to post your work and give you proper advice. In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are strongly discouraged since it doesn't help anybody to get better.
We DON'T expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we DON'T expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
We are happy to provide you those tools in this thread.

2. DO POST your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. It doesn't really matter if you're asking for a SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject. You might as well post no text whatsoever along with your work.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", meme replies such as "Loomis" are strongly discouraged, we don't make fun of one and other here.

Follow these simple rules or maybe not but always remember to be nice to /beg/s and the people giving advice at all times.

[Anonymous No.4551255]

is gesture drawing just sort of drawing the skeleton of the subject or?

[Anonymous No.4551258]

reposting from the previous thread

[Anonymous No.4551259]

>>4551258
with reference

[Anonymous No.4551265]

>>4551239
>Your Waifu Ignores You Edition
kek

[Anonymous No.4551277]

>>4551258
>(3.69 MB, 2489x1378)

i'm going to ignore it again

[Anonymous No.4551278]

How I make this look good!?!

[Anonymous No.4551290]

>kurisu did you put your head in the microwave again

[Anonymous No.4551291]

am i gmi?

[Anonymous No.4551293]

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

[Anonymous No.4551294]

Made this a couple of days ago on /a/

[Anonymous No.4551297]

tips?

[Anonymous No.4551299]

>>4551278
This really turned my pencil mode ON, good job Anon

[Anonymous No.4551302]

>>4551293
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS WAS SUPOSSED TO BE MY PERSONAL SAFE SPACE REEEEEEE!!!!!

[Anonymous No.4551317]

>New more specific instructions for resizing were posted in the OP
>No Images have been resized so far
Based /beg/

[Anonymous No.4551332]

>>4551317
is the dumbest rule, it affects nothing were the pic is 10mb or 500kb same for the res

[Anonymous No.4551334]

From a scale of "1 to complete goblin" where would you rate it? also what can I do to make her less of a goblin?
Expressions screw me everytime, should I focus on other more important things for now or do a lot more of them?


>>4551255
No.
Gesture is the flow, rhytm, action, motion, life of a subject.
It's nothing really concrete like the skeleton or form, it's somewhat more abstract then that.
Read or listen to some vilppu, that is if you can actually understand his old man voice.

>>4551294
looks really cool man

[Anonymous No.4551336]

>>4551297
loomis

[Anonymous No.4551342]

>>4551336
i'm following loomis

[Anonymous No.4551345]

>>4551253
this teaches the /beg/ to tie their motivation and self worth on the amount of replies and critiques they gets
>>4551293
this teaches the /beg/ to be self sufficient and to not depend on other's feedback in order to stay motivated, and ultimately to not be dependent on /ic/ in order to keep drawing.

[Anonymous No.4551351]

>>4551345
You make statements but provide no explanation for those statements.

[Anonymous No.4551360]

>>4551342
Do more fundies then, Try to pick up gesture drawing while you're at it.

[Anonymous No.4551361]

>>4551334
when you smile your cheecks squeeze upwards and your lower lids of the eyes squint a little bit.
The dimples also go slightly upwards and become more pronounced.

[Anonymous No.4551362]

>>4551291
I get the feeling this is not your work, but you're definitely not a beginner.

[Anonymous No.4551363]

>>4551334
thanks m8.
Your drawing looks really nice. But it you still want her to be a bit less of a goblin, I think you could make her look younger.

[Anonymous No.4551367]

wasting time instead of learning

[Anonymous No.4551376]

>>4551367
or you can think of it as taking a short break from learning and letting things digest

[Anonymous No.4551418]

[Anonymous No.4551422]

>>4551418
No offense, but she looks like a man in wig.

[Anonymous No.4551425]

>>4551418
so nice to see so much support for trans rights in these threads.

[Anonymous No.4551430]

>>4551418
I don't see the big issue with inspiring yourself drawing trannies

[Anonymous No.4551441]

>>4551422
it's fine. if shapes somewhat resemble human if you do not look too much in to it and somewhat recognizable then I succeed.

[Anonymous No.4551482]

>>4551441
If it was supposed to be a man in a wig you wouldve done a great job lmao

[Anonymous No.4551489]

>>4551277
Ok how about this one? The right side is more fucked up than the left side.

[Anonymous No.4551503]

>>4551489
The right-handed pupil is larger than the left-handed one.

[Anonymous No.4551511]

how did leyendecker draw girls with noses and chins this size but still pretty and delicate?

whenever I try it ends up looking like a tranny

[Anonymous No.4551517]

>>4551511
you gotta balance with the mouth and lips size man

[Anonymous No.4551527]

>>4551511
Yes

[Anonymous No.4551534]

Any advice anybody? Or am I just gonna die!? -<-

[Anonymous No.4551566]

>>4551534
im /beg/ btw but some suggestions are:

waters too shallow
try to improve the lighting
try to work a more dynamic pose
try to get a better background foreground composition (currently your logs are pointing the same direction as the creature/ try better size variations, etc)
try to improve your anatomy so the muscles are more believable
try to work on the texture of your objects (currently everything looks really smooth and muddy)

if you want to remaster a scene like this maybe go through the process of a thumbnail and then work in a concept art of the creature with a proper pose and then make a greyscale focusing only on values

[Anonymous No.4551572]

>>4551239
My crit. Take it or leave it

[Anonymous No.4551575]

>>4551482
Now I see it, It's because big desaturated chin But it's fine

[Anonymous No.4551595]

>>4551575
I didn't noticed this thing supposed to be big, I thinking it like palm sized when did it. it need then some what differently and much more perspective.

[Anonymous No.4551598]

Damn! Thank you!!! Lol this helps alot!!!

[Anonymous No.4551621]

>>4551278
>>4551294
>>4551334
>>>/int/

[Anonymous No.4551638]

>>4551511
whyyyyyyyyy

[Anonymous No.4551645]

I've been looking at Loomis' books for quite a while now. Why do my face sketches still look weird?

[Anonymous No.4551660]

>>4551638
>>4551645
Niggas need Vilppu.

[Anonymous No.4551691]

lower back muscles

[Anonymous No.4551700]

Homework for a class, I think I coulda done better on the eyes and went darker on my values.

[Anonymous No.4551709]

>>4551691
Really well done anon

[Anonymous No.4551715]

I cant into perspective properly but something like that

[Anonymous No.4551729]

I cant come up with an art name bros

[Anonymous No.4551734]

>>4551729
call yourself ic.s_finest

[What? No.4551737]

>>4551482
Nah he's doing a great job. At least he's in the right direction lol

[Anonymous No.4551741]

>>4551729
I was going to name my self the beg.est666 but you can have it

[Anonymous No.4551743]

gestures

[Anonymous No.4551746]

Why do you guys make new threads so early?

[Anonymous No.4551747]

Quick eyes.

[Anonymous No.4551748]

AAA i just want to be done drawing the fucking legs' anatomy

[Anonymous No.4551749]

>>4551700
the fingers are a bit sloppy but this is pretty good

[Anonymous No.4551765]

>>4551638
CP_everyday

[Anonymous No.4551766]

what book will teach me about locations of fat and where they are stored on the female body and how it changes the form

[Anonymous No.4551768]

>>4551729
CP_everyday

[Anonymous No.4551781]

>>4551766
CP_everyday

[Anonymous No.4551784]

>>4551781
A copycat ehh? LMAO

[Anonymous No.4551790]

>>4551715
I like this one anon.
Iy has good atmosphere and the lighting and perspective is convincing.

[Anonymous No.4551802]

10 60s figure
5 210s figure
5 5min head

[Anonymous No.4551806]

>>4551700
Okay.
There's a lot of problems with this, but there's also a lot to appreciate. the shading isn't dark enough obviously. there's too many outlines, so it doesn't look realistic. The linework is good, but the anatomy is a bit off (wrists aren't supposed to look like that Also the perspective looks off. It just looks flat.

[Anonymous No.4551833]

Is her arm too long?
I followed the reference but it still went pass her ribcage

[Anonymous No.4551836]

>>4551833
Niggas need Vilppu.

[Anonymous No.4551837]

>>4551361
Thanks, I still struggle with individual parts of the face, to the point that I forget that they also work together as a whole.
Something to keep in mind.

>>4551363
>But if you still want her to be a bit less of a goblin, I think you could make her look younger.
Hmm not really sure how to do that.
When sculpting the forms of the head everything usually ends up a bit rough, I guess I could try making things smoother.
Also when I feel things out I end up with a lot of lines everywhere, which seems to age people, so maybe clean that up.
Guess I have to experiment a little.

>>4551621
Barely muddling your way through loomis, using ref and badly eyeballing color make you /Int/ I had no idea.
Checked it out and the last /int/ thread was a bit of a shitfest, so it's probably gonna die again soon anyway.

[Anonymous No.4551839]

>>4551351
his statements required no explanation. and they're correct.

[Anonymous No.4551859]

How's my line art?

[Anonymous No.4551865]

>>4551833
you cant touch pelvis( or even knee ) with elbow if you bend enough. this is not how proportions work

[Anonymous No.4551872]

some loomis and some other fun stuff

[Anonymous No.4551899]

>>4551865
This was my ref

[Anonymous No.4551909]

>>4551865
>cant
It was supposed to be : You CAN. Like it's evident
fuck, my brain

[Anonymous No.4551912]

[Anonymous No.4551927]

>>4551836
Could you tell me where i went wrong?

[Anonymous No.4551930]

>>4551645
Read it, instead of just looking at it.

[Anonymous No.4551940]

Where did I go wrong?

[Anonymous No.4551941]

What can I do to prevent my pencil drawings go bleak?
Everytime I draw all colors that should be black for example are becoming dark gray or something like that in a day or two. Completely different from what it was in the beginning.

[Anonymous No.4551944]

how can i improve

[Anonymous No.4551955]

how can i improve

[Anonymous No.4551956]

I just wanna make cute tomboys bros.

[Anonymous No.4551958]

>>4551511
>>4551638
Use a brush that has opacity/size pressure control. You should be able to make very light almost non-existent strokes. This allows you to make light "exploratory" lines. Good for beginners because it allows you to "feel the form". And more importantly explore!

As a /beg/ you don't have a good idea of how thing look yet. So being able to make exploratory lines will make it so you don't have to visualize everything in your head. You'll be able to put some light lines and build on them with heavier strokes.

I was gonna explain how to make a (((BIG SCHNOZ))) look feminine, but after seeing your work I think the brush advice is more helpful!

[Anonymous No.4551965]

>>4551958
Sai or Photoshop?

[Anonymous No.4551974]

>>4551965
photoshop!

I've tried sai or krita but they are too buggy on mac!

[Anonymous No.4551979]

How can I pirate photoshop safely?

[Anonymous No.4551982]

>>4551979
>>>/t/

[Anonymous No.4551985]

>>4551982
thanks

[Anonymous No.4551996]

>>4551979
cgpeers

[Anonymous No.4551999]

[Anonymous No.4552007]

>>4551940
>>4551955
L-o-o-m-i-e-s

.

[Anonymous No.4552013]

Is there any books or tutorials in realistic portrait?
My goal is to draw animu but I'm also interested in portrait drawing since I used to do that before I quit drawing from life.

[Anonymous No.4552017]

>>4552013
Post work in order to see where you're at and what to recommend

[Anonymous No.4552022]

How long should I be grinding fundamentals per day? So far I have been trying to do 5 hours per day, alternating between Loomis and Perspective Made Easy.

[Anonymous No.4552024]

[Anonymous No.4552025]

Hello.

[Anonymous No.4552026]

Used Loomis method. Still don't know where to draw hairline. Hairline to brow line is 1/3 and his method relies on thirds. Why didn't he mention it in his book?

I think I know general proportions, but is there any tutorials regarding the hairline in relation to the brow line?

And how can I draw noses? I've tried to learn noses and still can't make anything that even resembles a nose.

[Anonymous No.4552029]

Heheheu.

[Anonymous No.4552032]

And the last ones, a bit better.

[Anonymous No.4552050]

>>4552032
these actually very cool. Did you draw them from photo?

[Anonymous No.4552055]

>>4552050
I like it. I don't know what it says, but I like it.

[Anonymous No.4552060]

can I get some critiques on my gesture drawings. I used a 60 sec timer for these.

[Anonymous No.4552061]

how should I continue from here lads

[Anonymous No.4552063]

>>4551956
you must become one first. tis the only way

[Anonymous No.4552065]

>>4552060
also did some studies trying to figure out the basic shapes of this character from BNA. ended up just being an exercise in 3d forms

[Anonymous No.4552067]

>>4552050
Yes, i don't have a gypsum head at home, unfortunately, so i downloaded a bunch of different heads.

[Anonymous No.4552073]

>>4552055
"Have you spent your entire salary on drinking again?"
"honey pls don't"

[Anonymous No.4552104]

Does everyone that goes through Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain reaalllyy use the picture plane and viewfinder shit? Did YOU?!?

[Anonymous No.4552106]

>>4551927
He can't.

[Anonymous No.4552119]

feets

[Anonymous No.4552129]

[Anonymous No.4552130]

[Anonymous No.4552131]

[Anonymous No.4552150]

>>4552131
>>4552130
>>4552129
cunny

[Anonymous No.4552166]

>>4551645

[Anonymous No.4552206]

>>4551859
I am a /beg/ and I think that your lines lack the weight. Last thread has a small tutorial on the subject.

[Anonymous No.4552208]

>>4551833
I am a /beg/ and I think you should check on mangamaterial tutorials on the artbook thread.

[Anonymous No.4552229]

>>4551958
What brush equivalent is there for this in SAI. I dont want to autistically study and recreate PS brushes in SAI or try to parse and understand what every setting on every brush type does, I just want to draw and use a setting that isn't gimping me

[Anonymous No.4552240]

>>4552229
Messing with "Density/Opacity" slider and pen pessure setting until you find the sweet spot.

[Anonymous No.4552253]

Ummm is gesture drawing ok?

[Anonymous No.4552256]

>>4552253
As in you wont have to do gesture anymore?

[Anonymous No.4552260]

I'm grinding construction so I often draw tethered to my PC looking at PDFs and references. However there's time where I just want to cut loose and work on art on the couch. Would it be a good idea to do something like take a picture of my practice drawings and practice lineart on my iPad? I know people advise against trying to learn too many things at once, but my lineart truly does suck.

[Anonymous No.4552267]

>>4552260
Try it.

[Anonymous No.4552271]

>>4551839
>his statements required no explanation.
Is it because you already agree with them, and therefore they require no explanation to you?

[Anonymous No.4552277]

Are Proko's courses available anywhere for free?

[Anonymous No.4552301]

>>4552061
go to /int/

[Anonymous No.4552309]

>>4551833
Can any experienced anon tell me what is wrong here? I'm not the guy I'm quoting but I legit don't see any errors with his drawing, so I'd like to know why I'm missing.

[Anonymous No.4552318]

>>4552309
Both arms are very long. Neck does not look quite right. Tits are very centered. Lack of landmarks on the bottom half of the figure, so we unable to tell what is going on on the first glance.

[Anonymous No.4552319]

>>4552309
Her arms are a bit to long, usually your arms don't go past your thigh.

[Anonymous No.4552325]

>>4552319
>>4552318
The ref is here, arent the arms meant to be that long, going by the ref?
>>4551899

[Anonymous No.4552332]

>>4552309
hello i consider myself a /beg/. but things that stick out to me are:

proportions. this person did a ok job on the reference. the arms being too long has to do with the arm slope and shoulders being abit off. this person also decided to slap an anime head ontop of a really tall model which throws it off as well.

the pose. the pose is very awkward in anon's drawing because instead of holding a cup like in the reference he chose to rotate the forearm to an open palm gesture towards the viewer. try tucking in your arm and doing that in real life and you will feel how strenuous it is.

the overall gesture. not too off but some subtle mistakes in key areas ended up making a big difference. areas like the hip slope and breast slope are off and the shoulder is too narrow.

hope this helps

[Anonymous No.4552335]

>>4552309

[Anonymous No.4552337]

>>4552309
The head is too small which makes everything else look fucking huge.

[Anonymous No.4552340]

>>4552256
Wait why shouldn't you? I thought it was supposed to help with anatomy

[Anonymous No.4552341]

>>4552337
>head is too small
stop drawing naked kids

[Anonymous No.4552347]

>>4552337
This.
Head should be a bit bigger when drawing it in anime style, otherwise it just looks weird.

[Anonymous No.4552370]

How do i cope if i'm feeling like complete garbage every second drawing i make?

[Anonymous No.4552372]

>>4552370
start shitposting, I'm sure it will get better

[Anonymous No.4552377]

After symbol drawing and drawing countless boxes and insects and perspective and gesture and basic construction, I've reached anatomy, but I have a question.

My end goal is to draw anime/catoony characters, so should I start copying that style while I study real anatomy or should I do real anatomy first and then start copiying? Keep in mind i'm not trying to skimp on anatomy. I just hear a lot of people say you should start copying other artists but im not sure if its a meme or not.
And I'm also currently unemployed so I gotta a lot of free time to study both at the same time.

[Anonymous No.4552380]

>>4552377
Anatomy isn't as important as people make it out to be.
Good anatomy isn't what makes a good drawing.
Good shapes and perspective is 1000000x more important than anatomy.
Anatomy can help bring your drawing to the next level, but it's not a requirement.
So just copy a bunch of anime and focus on the shape design instead of anatomy.
You can always learn anatomy later. It's very easy to learn anatomy if you already have a good base for figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.4552410]

[Anonymous No.4552415]

haven't done any drawing in the last 6 months or so but I've decided to get back on it since I have nothing else to do.

Made this yesterday. Im fairly happy with it but I'd like to know where I can improve

[Anonymous No.4552435]

>at work
>oh man I'm so pumped up, can't wait to get home and start practicing
>get home
>see steam icon
>okay a couple of hours wouldn't hurt, still plenty of time after
>...wait, how the fuck it's 1 am already?
Why is it always like this

[Anonymous No.4552438]

>>4552435
Because you don't want to draw.

[Anonymous No.4552444]

>>4552377
Imitate a pro you like.

[Anonymous No.4552445]

>>4552435
Imagine still playing video games in 2020
Stop being a manchilds.

[Anonymous No.4552448]

>>4552415
Some things I notice here is that the chest seems to be a bit too long depth-wise, also your feet seem to be small. It could be that she's more at an angle than I feel is implied. You can post the reference for comparison. I do like your lighting though, it's got a cool comic feel to it.

I'd focus on measuring a bit more on your next few drawings if it turns out it's not a measurement issue I'd look into ways to capture foreshortening.

[Anonymous No.4552449]

>>4552435
Uninstall Steam.

[Anonymous No.4552453]

>>4552435
Forget drawing.

[Anonymous No.4552454]

>>4552435
same but the other way. i really want to get back to playing some games but i cant stop drawing.

[Anonymous No.4552458]

>>4552454
That's because you have talent and actually can draw

[Anonymous No.4552461]

>>4551940
I’m beginner as shit but there should be an equal distance between hairline to brow, brow to bottom of nose, and bottom of nose to chin, which you can find in LOOMIS

[Anonymous No.4552462]

>>4552435
I know that feeling anon, after a day of work my brain is exhausted and just wants to rot on some video games and anime. More mental exercise in the form of learning to draw is a pain.

You're clearly getting responses from NEETs or kids still in some form of education.

What they don't know is that your brain is a finite resource that needs to recharge.

You just have to take it in a little bit at a time, look into using the Pomodoro technique and try to build a habit that way, Even 30 minutes a day isn't too bad to reaching some level of competency by the end of the year. Who knows, maybe you'll end up doing a lot more than 30 minutes by the end of the year.

[Anonymous No.4552468]

>>4552435
Draw before work.

[Anonymous No.4552469]

>>4552410
Fantastical work

[Anonymous No.4552476]

just drew this. I think it looks bretty cool!

[Anonymous No.4552479]

>>4552476
I think /beg/ has a bad habit of cutting off the feet.

[Anonymous No.4552485]

>>4552479
Why would you put the feet in when you just can cut them?

[Anonymous No.4552489]

>>4552479
im sorry i gave up on the legs

[Anonymous No.4552494]

>>4552448
thanks
I used this as a reference image, although I tried to emphasise the shadows a lot more than in the original

[Anonymous No.4552498]

Cube again. Is it time to move to another angle?

[Anonymous No.4552512]

>>4552498
That little bit of shadow beside the leftmost edge of the cube should also be diagonal.

[Anonymous No.4552515]

Cube again. I had to correct.

[Anonymous No.4552527]

>>4552512
>>4552515
Sorry, I don't understand what do you mean? The leftmost edge is in the light.

[Anonymous No.4552528]

>>4552515
Push your values. Go darker, go lighter. Try to not draw lines in the light side to really extenuate just how bright that side iis.

[Anonymous No.4552537]

>>4552527
I meant the right edge. It's been a long day.

[Anonymous No.4552559]

Drawing on the right side of the brain good or not?

[Anonymous No.4552563]

>>4552559
No, read keys to drawing

[Anonymous No.4552574]

I hate doing construction, anons. It makes everything messy and very hard to focus. How do you deal with this?

[Anonymous No.4552579]

>>4552458
thank you anon, this is just the kind of encouragement i needed to maybe post my work even though it doesnt help me with my videogame problem

[Anonymous No.4552582]

>>4552537
>>4552512
Thanks. It's diagonal. I added a bit of value.
>>4552528
Thanks. I added a bit of value at the top and erased hatching on the light side.

[Anonymous No.4552589]

>>4551297
You might want to simply look at reference of art which you aspire towards to see the differences. I would say anatomy is pretty high on the list but also gesture is a good thing to practice too.

[Anonymous No.4552595]

I really like styles of simple strokes instead of fine, accurate lines especially landscapes or still objects. Where can I learn how to draw like that? I know what a picture looks like but I never know how to exactly bring what I have in my head down to paper.
I have no physical art supplies but my Intuos S and Krita.

[Anonymous No.4552597]

should i just trash this and start over again?

[Anonymous No.4552598]

>>4551278
It looks pretty good desu. Though i think youre looking for more detail correct? Study the skin of reptiles and look at beached wood and youll notice what youre looking for. Id also would look into understanding the colors of underwater and some studies in lighting. But the idea is really cool keep practicing!

[Anonymous No.4552600]

>>4552476
what are some good beginner resources to learn how to color?

[Anonymous No.4552618]

>>4552600
looks a bit like ember from warframe. i like it

[Anonymous No.4552621]

>>4551334
The smile feels like shes faking it. Genuine smiles typically have a squinting of the ey and raised cheeks. I also feel that the eybrows contribute to the oddness, like they are arched in anger as opposed to happiness

[Anonymous No.4552635]

>>4551859
I only agree with the other anon slightly. Youre linework is nice and clean and while there are places you could add a bit more weight, it is not by much.

[Anonymous No.4552637]

>>4552618
thanks yea i used to play warframe a bunch

[Anonymous No.4552638]

>>4551940
A reference would have helped a lot here

[Anonymous No.4552643]

>>4551955
Know even a bit of how people interact with the world would help greatly, that being how people look while laying down and how weight destributes when doing so

[Anonymous No.4552661]

>>4552026
The very top horizontal line you drew is the hairline bud

[Anonymous No.4552663]

>>4552026
As for noses youre doing just fine. Just keep practicing. Get some references and give em a try

[Anonymous No.4552667]

its not done but hoping to finish today

[Anonymous No.4552676]

>>4552595
Use a fat brush to start and then go smaller. I lile the charcoal brush myself in krita

[Anonymous No.4552678]

>>4552597
What is the circular objesct she sitting on?

[Anonymous No.4552681]

>>4552667
Pretty neat. Is he holding a shield too?

[Anonymous No.4552684]

>>4552678
its suppose to be her ghost thing

[Anonymous No.4552685]

>>4552678
>>4552684
its name is myon

[Anonymous No.4552723]

>>4552684
well for what its worth it got me inspired to give it a try. id say keep it and open a new file and try again. i might suggest moving the specters bottom away from her so it dowsnt take away from the drawing with a huge empty space.

[Anonymous No.4552751]

still haven't achieved leyendecker's illumination on how to draw pretty girls with big noses and chins

[Anonymous No.4552764]

what's some good site to find reference for poses? The wiki sites aren't that great

[Anonymous No.4552765]

>>4552751
Look like a man. Why not draw the contour lines of the original picture, and then try to match it with your own to see what's off.

[Anonymous No.4552772]

>>4552764
you + camera on self timer

[Anonymous No.4552773]

>>4552772
but I'm not a woman and I want to draw a woman

[Anonymous No.4552785]

>>4552773
Just get a girlfriend then.

[Anonymous No.4552787]

>>4552723
i like the pose you did better. maybe i should make it so the far leg is more visable. thanks anon

[Anonymous No.4552790]

>>4552751
Anon, you gotta work on that forehead and chin, they're too sharp

[Anonymous No.4552795]

>>4552785
Haven't left my house for 2-3 months already, I'm 24, it's easier to find a pic online imo

[Anonymous No.4552803]

For an absolute beginner that is very interested in getting into drawing. Would a huion or XP serve me better? I hear mixed reviews about the huions that all the positive reviews were paid out and the tablets break in a couple months.

[Anonymous No.4552811]

>>4552803
id say xp but ive been having issues with the drivers on mine

[Anonymous No.4552813]

>>4552803
I got a huion that works just fine. Felt it was pretty cheap too.

[Anonymous No.4552818]

>>4552790
Youre not emphasizing anything reguarding her femininity. Look how big her eyes lips and lashes are. Look at how round her features are

[Anonymous No.4552821]

>>4552790
Sorry, this >>4552818 was meant for >>4552751

[Anonymous No.4552835]

I'm drawing with a tablet and if I draw a line, stop, then continue it, my computer thinks I'm drawing two separate lines. Is their some setting I need to change to make it stop?

[Anonymous No.4552836]

>>4552818
I-I don't like round shapes because sinix is my senpai

[Anonymous No.4552837]

[Anonymous No.4552847]

does Loomis really not give body proportions/measures in fun with a pencil or did I miss something?

[Anonymous No.4552876]

How do i get better at figure drawing?
I keep trying and trying.
I try construction, i try drawing what i see, i try thinking in 3d.
I suck at all of them

[Anonymous No.4552883]

>>4552836
I dont think i understand. Does he say not to add curves to the face? He makes plenty of rounded features it seems? Observe the faces to the right?

[Anonymous No.4552884]

>>4552876
At a certain point it becomes practice friend

[Anonymous No.4552906]

>>4552847
I was actually about to ask the same thing. I feel half-confident copying stuff and the first part goes in depth on how to construct a face from scratch, but it seems the second chapter about the body (specifically p. 60-67 with mannequin photos) just goes
>First draw a stick figure for framework and use balls for head / chest and a boxy shape for pelvis.
>Now draw the rest of the body lol
at which point I'll just devolve into drawing a bunch of symbols of mismatched sizes unless I’m copying an existing image.

[Anonymous No.4552910]

>>4552884
So just keep doing it?

[Anonymous No.4552923]

>>4552847
>>4552906
I'm not memeing when I say this, Loomis is a waste of time and you should do yourself a service and read much more competent books written by actual educators.

[Anonymous No.4552924]

>>4552923
what book would you recommend to learn figure drawing? I downloaded bammes but I'm not sure how I should use it

[Anonymous No.4552931]

>>4552910
All the ways you mentioned are ways of obtaining the same goal more or less. In time you will find what you are most comfortable with. But it wont hit you instantly you need to figure it out. So in short, yes

[Anonymous No.4552932]

>>4552923
>Loomis is a meme
p-pyw!

[Anonymous No.4552937]

I agree that loomis is kind of a meme in a sense that other educators will inevitably teach you his stuff plus some extras

[Anonymous No.4552940]

How do I draw without refference, please help.

I legit have no imagination and always end up copying a pose, I've probably shit myself more than I've drawn from imagination. Since I'm that fucking awful at it.

[Anonymous No.4552945]

>>4552940
Start by looking at a reference then drawing it from imagination

[Anonymous No.4552956]

What should I prioritise in practising, hands or face?

[Anonymous No.4552957]

>>4552940
Just copy a shit ton of references and eventually you will start to memorize how certain things look and you will be able to pull them out of your head without looking at anything.
Simplifying things in terms of basic forms like boxes can help (construction), if you can rotate a box in your mind and draw it then you can just draw lots of boxes to build up your image, like building things out of Legos. But it'll always be hard to get drawings that look clean and natural in this way, unless you also have a ton of experience drawing the thing fro reference.

[Anonymous No.4552958]

>>4552956
i would say focus on proportions first imho. hand/neck is too small

[Anonymous No.4552961]

>>4552956
your hand is far worse than your face, but hands are much simpler to draw, you just need to forget about the fingers and draw the hand as a single shape. the face is much more complex

[Anonymous No.4552964]

>>4552956
EFFU BEE.
Faces are pretty much always the most important thing in a drawing.

[Anonymous No.4552966]

>>4552956
Right now?
Fundamentals >>>>>>>>>>>>face>hands

[Anonymous No.4552967]

>>4552956
You would have to learn both a some point so why does it matter which one you go for first.

[Anonymous No.4552969]

when people say practice fundies what do they mean?

[Anonymous No.4552979]

>>4552435
You've might've set up a routine in your brain of: work > room > vidya. If you sit down at your computer then 9/10 times your brain is going to think "when I sit here, I play video games".

https://youtu.be/bXYAWCAIqRE
This video explains it in the context of drug addiction, but it's true for habits as well.

If you can you should try to set aside a separate area exclusively for drawing. After drawing for some specified amount of time, then you can reward yourself by playing a little or whatever you'd consider a treat.

[Anonymous No.4552980]

>>4552945
>>4552923
You know we have some rules in here where at all times you should identify yourself as a /beg/ due awful advice such a these.
Now try those posts again and say "I'm /beg/ but what I think you should do is..."

[Anonymous No.4552984]

>>4552969
fundamentals

[Anonymous No.4552986]

>>4552956
defiantly hands. the rest looks fine for now

[Anonymous No.4552987]

>>4552956
Neither, what should be working on is stop symbol drawing and draw what you're actually seeing

[Anonymous No.4552999]

>>4552987
Well I'm not seeing anything other than the thing I'm drawing, for this particular piece at least, so I genuinely don't understand. Is it the eyes? The nose? The mouth? I'm not trying to be deliberately obtuse here.

[Anonymous No.4553002]

>>4552987
It is a god damned fucking anime you Dunning Kruger pseud, it is supposed to be made of god damned symbols.

[Anonymous No.4553025]

>>4552923
>>4552980
Neither of you really say anything of substance though.
>Loomis bad
>you're a /beg/!
If Loomis is bad, whose books would be better? Or if you should keep doing Fun with a Pencil, how would you go about constructing the body after the stick figure exercises?
Come on, help anons out.

[Anonymous No.4553048]

>>4553002
Fuck already will you, stop misguiding /beg/s
>>4552999
It is the everything, listen and focus here for a minute when you don't have the expertise of knowing how to draw heads, torsos, legs, hands you'll draw what you think is correct and it results in a minor resemblance of the actual body parts, "symbol drawing". You need to start studying how to draw these things individually and learn how to connect them, whether it's anime, cartoons or real life otherwise you'll end up drawing like this guy >>4546294 who just draws whatever his brain tells him to draw without any knowledge on how to actually draw.

[Anonymous No.4553054]

>>4552837
This looks more like the girl than the guys painting did lel

[Anonymous No.4553055]

>>4553048
How the fuck is it misleading to say that this drawing, this one I'm posting right here, is made of symbols. What the FUCK is misleading about that?

[Anonymous No.4553062]

>>4553025
The only meme here is believing that Loomis is a meme. You have to put in context what you're reading, if you are currently reading "Funsies with Pencils" then you must realize you're drawing "cartoonish" heads which serve as a base for moving on into drawing whatever you want to draw.
Finish the book do the exercises and move into the next book or maybe not I'm not anybody to tell you what to do but don't jump into conclusions because somebody said "Loomis is meme XD"

[Anonymous No.4553065]

>>4553055
Just go fuck yourself you're not helping anybody in here

[Anonymous No.4553075]

>>4553055
Post something which does not include any symbols.

[Anonymous No.4553079]

>>4553075
I'd be perfectly fine with saying that all art, even "photorealism", is ultimately made of symbols. I'm not sure if I'd actually say that for photorealism, but you could make an argument for that, and it wouldn't bother me. Why should it? I'm the one who was arguing that telling someone that they're "symbol drawing" is a misguided critique when it comes to cartoons.

[Anonymous No.4553093]

>>4553062
Yes I understand those parts, but how does one go about constructing the rest of the BODY after the stick figure framework? Loomis literally just says "add the meat balls between the joints and done" without giving that much in-depth advice on fleshing out the parts and getting the proportions correct during the construction phase as much as he did with the numerous head exercises - exaggerated or not.

[Anonymous No.4553098]

>>4553093
You want to look at Vilppu and Hampton.

[Anonymous No.4553112]

>symbol drawing is a requirement when it comes to cartoons

[Anonymous No.4553113]

>>4552987
Retard

[Anonymous No.4553115]

>>4553112
All drawings are symbols of the real world.

[Anonymous No.4553118]

>>4552836
This is some dumb shit. Think and design by yourself.

[Anonymous No.4553122]

>>4552836
Sinix is an idiot and he doesn't follow hos own rules. Lots of old masters use rounds.

[Anonymous No.4553123]

>>4553098
Listen to this guy, I feel that if you learn from them and you go back to that loomis construction it would be easily understood >>4553093

[Anonymous No.4553124]

>>4553112
Go ahead, explain how >>4553055 is not made of symbols. I'll wait.

[Anonymous No.4553126]

If you're drawing from imagination, which most comic book artists and animators do, you have to symbol draw, there's no other way.
The only way to not symbol draw is to copy something 1:1 exactly only using value.

[Anonymous No.4553128]

>>4553122
Why is Sinix an idiot
I'm a dumb /beg/ but I like his videos a lot

[Anonymous No.4553137]

>that drawing
>using symbols

[Anonymous No.4553140]

>>4553124
Retard sees badly drawn symbols

Retard concludes that the problem isn't that its badly drawn, but that it has symbols

Everything is symbols

[Anonymous No.4553142]

>>4553093
Your issue is that you don't have the symbols for the necessary body parts yet.
Just copy your favourite artists until your visual library is big enough, that's when construction is going to make sense.
There's no point in constructing a human figure if you don't know how to actually draw the final pieces.
Construction helps with proportion and perspective, but it isn't a shortcut to figure drawing, you still need to know how to draw the figure.

[Anonymous No.4553147]

>>4553093
No Anon you don't understand and your work is proof of it, I don't mean to be rude but you're just frustrated by not being able to comprehend but maybe you should try another method although if you're not willing to commit and study you're not going to understand in any method.

[Anonymous No.4553153]

>>4552229
The brush I use has a shape and texture to it that I like, but not necessary.

Just look for a brush lets allows you to comfortably make light strokes with light pressure, and reach full opacity with heavy pressure.

Pic related, hopefully you get the idea. Not familiar with sai brushes but look for some with these attributes! I also look for the same characteristics in my erasers just without the size variation. Allows you partially erase something and use whats left, almost as a reference of sorts. In Fact the bottom brush is the exact one I use for my eraser!

Also on the right I have my wacom pressure settings, but I don't encourage you to copy! I was having issues with reaching full opacity, even when pressing very hard. So i moved the top right corner inwards. I moved the bottom left corner inwards as well to help with lighter strokes. I'm able to touch the tip of my stylus to my tablet without it registering a stroke, just like a real pencil!

[Anonymous No.4553156]

>>4553147
>your work is proof of it
I haven't posted my work here.

[Anonymous No.4553158]

>>4553140
ITT: Retards argue with each other instead of actually helping the beg

[Anonymous No.4553164]

>>4553118
>>4553122
I really like his sharp, "edgy", triangular style. I want to develop a similar style for myself, and the idea of using only (or mostly) square shapes is really appealing to me

[Anonymous No.4553165]

>>4553156
Post it and you'll only prove my point

[Anonymous No.4553187]

>>4552676
Sounds like a plan, thanks

[Anonymous No.4553193]

keep getting mixed responses about my art, wanted to get some opinions here.

This was a sketch I never meant to finish and I know the legs are completely wonky. But just... generally - advice, opinions?

[Anonymous No.4553206]

>>4552923
Is Norling's Perspective Made Easy a good place to start, then?

[Anonymous No.4553210]

>>4553193
Bad, quite bad.
Copy your fundies, grind other artists.

[Anonymous No.4553216]

>>4553098
>>4553123
Many thanks. I'll try eyeing their books in between Loomis as well. While I'm still absolutely green in regard to heads as well at least I feel like I have something to go on and practice, whereas for body exercises it currently feels I'm at a complete loss after the stick.

>>4553165
Rip my ass apart, senpai.
https://imgur.com/a/3R84NaC

[Anonymous No.4553223]

>>4553210
I've been drawing casually since I was quite young, totally self-taught, and I've picked up and solidified a lot of bad habits. Any advice for how to unlearn problematic things?


+ Another thing I drew. More effort in this one.

[Anonymous No.4553227]

>>4552980
Whats wrong with looking at a reference and drawing it from imagination?

[Anonymous No.4553232]

>>4553193
hello i consider myself a /beg/ and my general opinions for your sketch are:

the pose is off balanced, your shoulder and hips are sloping the same direction which makes all the weight lean one side with nothing supporting it. (blocking out the whole character beforehand can help with this)

proportions and anatomy are off. try to get more comfortable with basic body structures and muscle detail (there are lots of online resources and exercises for these topics)

concept is ok but theres lots of ways you can expand on that as well (but you should focus on your basic skills first)

hope this helps

[Anonymous No.4553235]

>>4553223
It's not really about unlearning, it's about actively learning how to draw in the way that you would like to draw. Your problem isn't bad knowledge, just a lack of knowledge.
Start doing studies of artists you want to emulate in addition to learning traditional figure drawing.

[Anonymous No.4553241]

>>4553232
Would focusing on drawing from models for a while help, do you think? I usually work almost purely from imagination, and my art has always been quite cartoon-y. I never went through a "realism phase" but maybe it's time for one.

I do appreciate your comment, thank you.

[Anonymous No.4553265]

>>4553223
Draw this.

[Anonymous No.4553275]

Reminder that it's important to draw from real, still life to avoid symbol drawing.
By looking at real objects and moving your head around a bit, you actually know how the forms come into the shapes based on your view point.

[Anonymous No.4553277]

>>4553241
if you want to draw characters then yes drawing models and getting familiar with body shapes and curves will help.

you will develop a general sense for things like how long legs and arms should be relative to the rest of the body, how large eyes nose and mouths should be on the head, etc etc

once you have a good understanding of the rules then you will also be able to stretch and bend those rules without breaking the forms completely

[Anonymous No.4553305]

Would someone on fiverr pay 5$ for a portrait like this?

[Anonymous No.4553323]

>>4553235
>>4553277

Thanks, guys, much appreciated!

[Anonymous No.4553324]

>>4553305
probably

[Anonymous No.4553327]

>>4552790
>>4552751
Are you the same anon as >>4551638 ?

If so this is already a big improvement!

A few more tips. Women tend to have softer and rounder shapes. The proportions are also different, women tend to have smaller jaws and bigger eyes. Shrink the jaw, soften the brow ridge, jaw, and cheeks!

Angular shapes can still be used, just look and the nose and lips! Just keep practicing and trying your best. With enough mileage you'll start to intuitively know what works and what doesn't!

[Anonymous No.4553328]

>>4553305
Depends on the person, if a person see value in a personalised drawing referenced from an already existing photograph, then they may pay you, but personally I do not see the point of purchasing something that has no intrinsic value.

[Anonymous No.4553333]

>>4553327
thanks senpai

[Anonymous No.4553340]

>>4553333 (checked)
uwu

[Anonymous No.4553348]

If you put style before fundies, you will be forever /beg/.

[Anonymous No.4553351]

>>4553348
Explain Sinix's early sketchbooks.

[Anonymous No.4553352]

>>4553216
Dont forget to do your gestures anon, we're both begs but we can all make it to int if we try

[Anonymous No.4553367]

>>4553324
>>4553328
Thanks for the input lads!

[Anonymous No.4553407]

>>4553351
You can see that he also grinds his fundies in the 2nd book (or 3rd).
I'm not saying that you cannot pursuit style. But if you focus on style too much, you will be stuck.
Do both if you like it.

[Anonymous No.4553408]

>>4553305
I'll give 10 bucks and that's all you're going to get from me

[Anonymous No.4553491]

Is it OK if I'm just following Drawabox right now? I've tried to follow loomis before this and I'm too retarded to read shit that isn't on here or in a comic book.

[Anonymous No.4553503]

>>4553491
Yes and please post some of your boxes

[Anonymous No.4553512]

How is it?

[Anonymous No.4553516]

>>4553512
Looks pretty good if you don't stare at it too long

[Anonymous No.4553519]

>>4553516
Well, that means it's at least a bit in the right direction.

[Anonymous No.4553521]

>>4553512
Amazing concept but gesture is wrong

[Anonymous No.4553526]

>>4553503
Can your skills improve if you do drawabox digitally? I remember the site saying that you should do it with an ink pen and paper. Will using digital make that much of a difference?

[Anonymous No.4553530]

>>4553526
You can draw with whatever you want, it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.4553539]

[Anonymous No.4553542]

hey hey people, /beg/ here.

Can you guess the model? I think it's more fun this way. I'll post the reference if you want me to.

Any tips regarding how to draw hair? I tried different shitty methods and they're all pretty time consuming.

[Anonymous No.4553547]

>>4553539
Have you ever tried doing any burnishing? I think that'll improve your work a lot

[Anonymous No.4553549]

>>4553542
iron man dude

[Anonymous No.4553550]

>>4553542
Also, I just noticed I didn't finish the nose, sorry about that, here is one with a nose.

Which one do you guys prefer?

[Anonymous No.4553553]

>>4553549
Ahhh well played, well played. I'm glad you guessed right. Here is the ref, how did I do?

[Anonymous No.4553561]

New Thread

>>4553552

>>4553552

>>4553552

[Anonymous No.4553670]

>>4553553
Pretty good. Id say test your shading skillz

[Anonymous No.4554553]

>>4553521
What do you mean by gesture is wrong?
I would get badm but wrong makes it sound liek there's some fundamental error in there?

[Anonymous No.4555039]

>>4552979
If you can't have a seperate space and have 2 screens, you could try at least having an image open with a color based on what you are doing.
For example right now i am on 4chan so i leave a brown color image open on the other screen as being on 4chan is "enjoyment." When i am drawing i leave it on blue as i am being productive.
When you are more aware of your behaviour it is easier to change.