/beg/ - Beginner thread - >tfw too intelligent to just draw

[Anonymous No.4547036]

IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

previous >>4544867

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance.
Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

[Anonymous No.4547041]

how to draw???

[Anonymous No.4547042]

only ngmi under this post

[Anonymous No.4547044]

I suck at drawing

[Anonymous No.4547047]

Talent is everything

[Anonymous No.4547051]

>>4547036
Where's the based Arnold post though???

[Anonymous No.4547053]

>>4547047
desu

[Anonymous No.4547061]

anyone that doesn't say my art is gmi is a crab.

now you may suck my fat cock.

go

[Anonymous No.4547064]

>>4547061
I don't know about your art but that squid is cute

[Anonymous No.4547070]

Op's image has some nice SOUL to it ngl

[Anonymous No.4547071]

>>4547061
How the fuck have you not improved after all this time man? I'm glad I'm not you.

[Anonymous No.4547075]

Please let this thread be free of all the cancerous fucks that plagued the last one
Pray with me

[Anonymous No.4547078]

w-what? you were supossed to praise my art wtf.

ARNIE bro please post the pasta im having a meltdown, this was supossed to be hugbox sugar-coatting funny reddit refugees general, im about to shat my pants arnie brooooo!!!! my feelerinos are getting ...hu...rt...*shats*

[Anonymous No.4547082]

>>4547078
oh no, in the middle of my breakdown i forgot to reply to that stupid crab>>4547071

[Anonymous No.4547089]

>>4547036
>limmy realizing how kilo of feathers = kilo of steel

[Anonymous No.4547101]

>>4547036
Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomy".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

[Anonymous No.4547104]

>>4547013
Post an example of a basic anime drawing (not one of those highly rendered half-anime half-realistic paintings) that you would say does NOT look as flat as a board. Or would you say all anime looks flat?
It's really hard to calibrate comments like this, it's hard to know how much you're trying to encourage someone to work as well as they can within a cartoony style and how much you just don't like cartoony styles.

[Anonymous No.4547107]

>>4547078
>>4547082
>>4547101
Samefag

[Anonymous No.4547111]

>>4547101
based(true)

[Anonymous No.4547113]

Hello

[Anonymous No.4547115]

>>4547107
keep seething

[Anonymous No.4547117]

>>4547071
It's a false flag

[Anonymous No.4547122]

>>4547101
I find amusing how these rules make /beg/s seethe so much no matter how many times it is posted

[Anonymous No.4547125]

>>4547107
yes

[Anonymous No.4547127]

>>4547036
> been drawing for 6 months without reading any books. This is what I come up with. Which books should I read to get better?
Crit would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.4547153]

>>4547127
Someone's doing this after 6 months without books and I'm still struggling with gestures after 1 year with vilppu

[Anonymous No.4547157]

>>4547127
just keep at what you're doing and stop coming to 4chan because this place will stunt your growth

[Anonymous No.4547159]

As a complete bigener what fucking part of theory do i start with. There's a lot of concepts n shit. Where do i start? Where do i go from there?

Wtf do i do everything i make looks like shit and i want to hang myself

[Anonymous No.4547160]

>>4547127
Gedda fuck outta here

[Anonymous No.4547165]

Trying to learn to draw with pen

[Anonymous No.4547175]

>>4547159
perspective is the easiest to get into by far because the rules are exact and not hard to follow

go to the video courses thread and pick up erik olson's perspective series, or maybe marshal vandruff's series on rutracker

[Anonymous No.4547178]

>>4547104
>Or would you say all anime looks flat?
when did i implied that

he needs to know anatomy to correctly depict the forms instead of making ramdon shit, how real/close to real anatomy is up to him but to stylize correctly he will need to know the subject in this case anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4547181]

>>4547175
>erik olson

What's it called?

[Anonymous No.4547182]

>>4547159
please post work in order for everybody to tell you on how to improve

[Anonymous No.4547188]

>>4547178
where is light source?

[Anonymous No.4547194]

>>4547182

I never save anything i do. If it's not perfect why would i want to show it to anyone.It'll just be embarrassing

[k1a No.4547199]

hey guys, k1a here, a absolute shit painter. would love some help on improving, currently i find success in mapping out images and blocking them in, should i stop?

[Anonymous No.4547201]

>>4547182
work is never relevant because it is /beg work and have problems with everything

[Anonymous No.4547204]

>>4547127
Jesus how much do you draw everyday? This is inspiring af.

[Anonymous No.4547209]

>>4547194
You have to start from somewhere, if you're expecting for somebody who is a beginner to pull out a perfect piece of work out of their ass by chance or whatever then you have set yourself some really false expectations.

[Anonymous No.4547210]

>>4547199
Why would you stop doing something thats working, are you retarded

[Anonymous No.4547213]

>>4547181
it's in the /ic/ torrent, under courses > perspective > as perspective by erik olson

magnet link: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:0aebc0f02e6c179b62e04c69af3e5adee3abee12&dn=IC-STUDY

i'm seeding rn and there's a number of peers so the torrent is healthy at this time

[k1a No.4547214]

>>4547210
cuz i feel like its a "cheat" u know, should i force myself to freehand shit faggot?

[Anonymous No.4547215]

>>4547209

Where the hell do i start though?

End goal is to draw decent environments and fat, juicy anime tits

[Anonymous No.4547216]

>>4547159
Look up Charles Bargue plates and start copying them.

[Anonymous No.4547221]

>>4547127
Remember kids, talent isn't real!

[Anonymous No.4547222]

>>4547199
You could use a ruler if you want, but it seems like you need to work on perspective anyways. Go work through perspective made easy, then try, try, and try again until it's burned into your brain.

[Anonymous No.4547226]

>>4547221

If you're not born talented then there's no point in trying. You'll never reach anything if you don't have "it"

[Anonymous No.4547227]

>>4547113
Have you finished painting that one drawing where the Vixen is sitting amidst two flags? Been waiting for the results on that one.

[Anonymous No.4547228]

>>4547188
about 7 o'clock from above, not on top of her

[Anonymous No.4547230]

>>4547215
start with perspective, teaches you to think in 3d space terms

[Anonymous No.4547234]

>>4547230

What if i know how to 3d model and sculp?

[k1a No.4547249]

>>4547222
ty for the tip good sir, il work on perspective but like what is obv not working for you in that pic? cuz i cant see it :D

[Anonymous No.4547250]

>>4547234

in those you can literally rotate your piece, which requires different sorts of 3d thinking.

there's a whole perspective procedure to get realistic looking 3d space on paper that computers just do for you when 3d modelling, or physics does for you when sculpting

try to draw something you know how to sculpt, with or without looking at the sculpture/model, and you'll see the skills aren't the same

[Anonymous No.4547254]

>>4547199
for a sec i thought it was dust2

[k1a No.4547258]

>>4547254
titanic <3

[Anonymous No.4547263]

>>4547036
Why do the /beg/ thread OP pictures look more shittier by the day. The person who posts these needs serious study of loomis and should stop Symbol drawing. I always vomit when I see these pictures

[Anonymous No.4547264]

>>4547234
depending on how good you are at it is translates somewhat but it still different king of problem

[Anonymous No.4547266]

i want to fucking kill myself right now

[Anonymous No.4547269]

>>4547127
>you need fundamentals
>loomis is mandatory
>talent isn’t real

[k1a No.4547270]

>>4547254
its loosely based on this image

[Anonymous No.4547275]

>>4547249
Nothing really lines up to a vanishing point and it looks like there's a multitude of vanishing points going on. It's ok to be a bit sloppy so long as things are relatively in order, especially for city scapes. I think you would benefit greatly by working through perspective books and/or looking up perspective vids on YouTube. Start with a ruler, but practice freehand too. Even the greats like Scott Robertson use ellipse tools and rulers, even though his freehand is basically robotic.

[Anonymous No.4547278]

>>4547266
on the bright side, looks like you'll be able to work on the original deus ex

[Anonymous No.4547283]

>>4547227
Yeah, finnished it a while ago
>>4541974

[k1a No.4547285]

>>4547275
i forgot to mention its a sketch :D il paint over it with oil and post when its done, ty again for reply, my freehand stuff always looks like some bobross lookin shit and im not going after that look at this painting in the making, i have no idea what to draw desu will definetley work on perspective

[Anonymous No.4547291]

Any good resources on drawing weapons/guns? or props in general? I'm trying to get better at quickly drawing correct form/perspective

[Anonymous No.4547292]

>>4547291
>or props in general?
scott robertson

[Anonymous No.4547342]

>>4547278
You know anon you're probably right, I'm retarded. But I'm tired of running away and I'll embrace proper painting instead of cel-shading with purple multiply layer

[Anonymous No.4547356]

>>4547342
you're not that bad though, try to do a drawing first before just jumping in to paint though, your forms are going everywhere and you have no idea where your light and shadow shapes are

[Anonymous No.4547382]

>>4547036
Wanting to buy an ipad pro. Should I get an 11" or the 12.9" model?

Does anyone with the 12.9" have issues with it being too cumbersome to draw with in various sitting positions?? Like maybe Indian style, laying in bed, watching Netflix on the couch, on a bench. Etc...

I know that being able to splitscreen might be a huge advantage for tutorial watching for a beginner so I'm curious if there's any reason to not get the 12.9" thanks!

[Anonymous No.4547408]

>>4547356
No wonder it goes everywhere, I have no idea what I'm doing. I'll do few more drawings to understand it

[foreverbeg No.4547428]

Construction. I need help with construction. What resources can I seek? I'm specifically needing help with conveying depth of objects, even if I understand how they're connected, the idea of volume/space gets lost and looks flat.

[Anonymous No.4547434]

>>4547428
Can you draw a box?

[Anonymous No.4547445]

>>4547382

Buy a good tablet instead

[Anonymous No.4547450]

[Anonymous No.4547451]

>>4547428
If you're not willing to read the fucking sticky I would recommend for you to learn how to draw basic shapes such as triangles, circles and rectangles. Then start drawing everyday stuff such as a pencil, a bottle, ure mum's dildo, anything. You'll notice that everything has those basic shapes in them and that you can basically construct anything in the human body out of shapes. Understanding this is the most basic concept you're going to get on how to construct.

[Anonymous No.4547452]

>>4547264
So i guess i should start with construction?

[Anonymous No.4547456]

>>4547450
wtf, the vectorschads are here, you are supossed use your own tools not the programs ones, this doesn't count!

[Anonymous No.4547457]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I85tLX7lvw4

>Draws the basic form in minutes

FUCKING HOW

[Anonymous No.4547460]

>>4547408
unironically watch bucci, he's a bit cringe but really helpful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcCJ2CU-bFw

[Anonymous No.4547462]

>>4547456
i used the fine tip brush on procreate
not vectors

[Anonymous No.4547464]

>>4547457
it's 3-6x times sped up probably, but even then it's just experience

a clever artist draws a hundred pussies before he tries to sell his sex doujinshis

[Anonymous No.4547484]

>>4547464

How does one get to drawing good pussy though?

[Anonymous No.4547485]

First time trying to draw an anime-ish head over the Loomis sphere+plane base. I fucked up the eyes and the hair is pretty plain, but the rest is more or less okay, I think.

[Anonymous No.4547488]

I'm finally starting to draw sketches that are good enough that I actually want to finish them.

[Anonymous No.4547491]

>>4547485
you are jumping way too quick
draw more basic stuff, copy loomis drawings

[Anonymous No.4547496]

>>4547457
Practice

[Anonymous No.4547499]

>>4547445
Yeah but a tablet that is also a computer that can be taken anywhere are bulky as shit and don't double as an ipad. I'm not a fan of apple either but having to be tied down to my desktop is a pain in the ass and it honestly seems pretty good. Although I definitely hate how it'll probably be a pain the dick in terms of compatibility for me.

[Anonymous No.4547500]

>>4547485

[Anonymous No.4547501]

>>4547485
>all that construction wasted on anime
yikes

[Anonymous No.4547502]

>>4547484
https://imgur.com/gallery/JXfNc

you're welcome

[Anonymous No.4547507]

>>4547502
holy shit you use these?
why?
they are so bad
so many better resources out there

[Anonymous No.4547510]

>>4547507
>holy shit you use these?
no, my women have clothes

[Anonymous No.4547511]

>>4547500
>I can't believe that someone posted a beginner drawing in the beginner thread!!!

[Anonymous No.4547512]

>>4547485
If the head is tilted then the vertical centre line should have a slant to it.

Put your thumb in the middle of your chin and your finger between your eyes, then twist your head around this way and that. Feel how it moves your hand.

[Anonymous No.4547513]

>>4547491
I intend to. This was just some fun. I want to go through Fun with a pencil and Figure drawing, picking up the Ctrl+Paint Traditional drawing series eventually. My motivation is ultimately to draw the art for a visual novel that I'm writing, and I want to go with a style between anime and realism.

[Anonymous No.4547519]

>>4547511

If you're not born talented you'll never be at the top so why bother

[Anonymous No.4547530]

>>4547519
why you alive? you will never be at the top so why bother?

[Anonymous No.4547533]

>>4547511
>i can't believe my shitty drawing can't get a pass for my laziness

[Anonymous No.4547543]

>>4547533
One it's not mine, two making bad drawings when you're a beginner isn't laziness, it's just called being a beginner, no one starts off good.

[Anonymous No.4547544]

>>4547460
Thanks anon I'll check him out

[Anonymous No.4547546]

Practicing mannequinization

[Anonymous No.4547547]

>>4547544
Is this jermas retarded little brother

[Anonymous No.4547553]

when did mannequin become a thing
I think mannequins makes your drawings super fucking stiff
Just use boxes for the head, ribs and pelvis

[Anonymous No.4547563]

>>4547553
It helps with perspective if you already got anatomy and gesture down.
That's what I think anyway, I don't use one.

[Anonymous No.4547569]

>>4547101
based chad

[Anonymous No.4547614]

>>4547512
I'm aware, and there's a slight angle to it (compare to the side). Though I can totally understand if it's the wrong angle, I'm still getting the feel of it.

[Anonymous No.4547629]

>>4547530

I've been trying to kill myself for years now but i'm too much of a pussy to follow it through

[Anonymous No.4547640]

>>4547485
DEAR GOD

[Anonymous No.4547645]

>>4547127
How much do you draw per day? Cool stuff

[Anonymous No.4547650]

>>4547547
yes

[Anonymous No.4547671]

MAN I CAN'T DRAW A FUCKING CIRCLE ON THIS GOD DAMN TABLET WITHOUT LAZY NEZUMI

[Anonymous No.4547672]

>>4547408
How are you painting these with color? What’s your process?

I can’t paint anything with color for shit

[Anonymous No.4547674]

>>4547178
i want wriggle to break my nutsack

[Anonymous No.4547678]

>>4547672
I'm just eyeballing colors and go from bigger shapes to smaller and more complex

[Anonymous No.4547679]

>>4547671
I feel that. I can draw an alright circle with a pencil on paper, but everytime I use a tablet my lines and circles suck balls. Then I get told to use smooth line or whatever and I just go back to trade and use digital to brush up and color, because for some reason my color theory and painting skills crossover far better than my lines. I might take the time to learn digital drawing, but I don't know if I want to at this point??

[Anonymous No.4547680]

>>4547036

[Anonymous No.4547687]

>>4547485

[Anonymous No.4547688]

I'm on keys to drawing and i don't know how to tell if I should move on to the next chapter. I can check yes for all the self-critique parts, but I definitely feel like I did learn something. Do I move on or redo the first chapter? Also how am I expected to feel as I progress? I definitely have a better understanding of the drawing process than I did going into it, but I don't feel too different.

[Anonymous No.4547692]

>today I will draw a rugby player
>WHOOPS LOOKS LIKE IT'S A FURRY WW1 SOLDIER AGAIN
I need to stop listening to Foreign Skies when I draw.

[Anonymous No.4547697]

>>4547671
Life imitates art

[Anonymous No.4547698]

>>4547671
I bought an iPad just so I could actually utilize all my muscle memory in digital as well

[Anonymous No.4547704]

>>4547671
Yeah it's going to take a few months.

[Anonymous No.4547712]

>>4547692
Might as well go all the way.

[Anonymous No.4547721]

>>4547127
Please tell me how you got so good?

[Anonymous No.4547727]

>>4547127
why are people saying this is good? honest question, not crabbing

[Anonymous No.4547731]

[Anonymous No.4547734]

>>4547727
pyw

[Anonymous No.4547740]

>>4547727
wondering the same. guess it's muh anime

[Anonymous No.4547746]

lmao

[Anonymous No.4547749]

>>4547734
I'm not saying my stuff is better.

[Anonymous No.4547751]

Some amateur things I learned recently:
-Shading always adds tons of appeal to artwork. Even if it's simple details of white and grey it is super effective. Shading might even be the largest appeal of artwork over all.
-Linework that is not black can be very effective sometimes, an extension of the above point
-Cartoony actions and effects are also very useful at enhancing appeal even if it may not seem like it at first

[Anonymous No.4547753]

>>4547036
havent drawn in a while and just decided to restart drawing.
However i restarted with digital which i havent learned almost at all.

How can i make it less poopy /beg/?

[Anonymous No.4547754]

>>4547751
>-Shading always adds tons of appeal to artwork. Even if it's simple details of white and grey it is super effective. Shading might even be the largest appeal of artwork over all.
can you share an example of this effect?

[Anonymous No.4547755]

>>4547740
This guy is the best beginner we ever had. Blows asukafag out of the water. Can't you see that?

[foreverbeg No.4547758]

>>4547382
I have the 10.5 and I was thinking of upgrading to the 12.9

[Anonymous No.4547760]

>>4547278
not him but how does one do that thing with the lines for shadows when drawing well?

[Anonymous No.4547762]

>>4547721
>good
None of the lines he's drawn are in the right place. That's why he had to draw so many of them.

Getting up to that skill level is easy. Here's how to do it.

1. get paper and a pencil
2. watch these four lessons (pic related) from https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library (under heading 2 - traditional drawing)
3. go here https://quickposes.com/en/gestures/random and draw the poses. don't be afraid to skip bullshit poses. you just want normal, natural stances - ones that you think you can do easily. don't make life hard for yourself at this early stage.
4. draw loosely with a focus on getting proportions right. Don't spend too long on each drawing (I'm talking like 10-20 minutes max, but if you can do it faster and get it good and right then do so). All you want to do is block out the torso and the limbs, you don't need details. just get length and proportions right.
5. critically analyse each drawing after you've done it, before moving on to the next one. Identify what's wrong with it and think about what you could do differently next time. If no answers come to you then just move on.
6. do this every day for a week or two, 3 or 4 figures per day. that's an ideal scenario. you can do less per day over a longer period. they're quick drawings so it's easy.
7. DO NOT SKIP MORE THAN ONE DAY IN A ROW. skills fade with disuse. keep it fresh by doing it often. make the lesson sink in.

This will teach you how to quickly block out a pose with correct proportions. Once you've done that the rest is just window dressing. To go from blocking out a pose to drawing something like the sketch that was posted is literally just a matter of adding more lines until it looks right. For beginners, it's proportions and pose that are the hard parts.

[foreverbeg No.4547763]

>>4547434
Yeah I can draw a box. Did that 100 box bullshit. Did a few hundred more. Feels like I can draw boxes now, great. I try to put a 3d object in said box and it looks flat af. But I can draw a 3d box so.

[Anonymous No.4547768]

>>4547755
lol

[foreverbeg No.4547770]

>>4547451
Implying I haven't read the fucking sticky meme. I'm having trouble drawing these things in a 3d space though. I'm not worried about the human body yet. I want to just work on making non-flat images without leaning on cross-hatching to cover up what I don't understand

[Anonymous No.4547772]

>>4547547
that's grichka bogdanoff, he and his brothers are france's experiment to create real life anime
that picture is really old, they're much MUCH more ugly now

[Anonymous No.4547774]

>tfw shoulder pains again

NGMI

[Anonymous No.4547776]

>>4547763
Don't put things in boxes. Make things out of boxes. What is a man but a miserable little pile of simple cubes and spheres anyway?

[Anonymous No.4547777]

>>4547485
i'm beg in from what i know most anime especially moe is supposed to be simple with basic shapes not an entire mannequin

[Anonymous No.4547778]

>>4547749
Yeah, exactly.
It's better than most of the stuff that gets posted in /alt/.

[Anonymous No.4547781]

[Anonymous No.4547782]

>>4547762
>Getting up to that skill level is easy
pyw, so we know that you've reached that skill level.

[Anonymous No.4547784]

>>4547778
It's not terrible, but it's not good either. Whatever.

[Anonymous No.4547787]

>>4547782
Did this the other day, it took me about 15 mintues.

[Anonymous No.4547788]

>>4547727
I think a big part of it is that the face is really spot on, while a lot of /beg/s are still drawing like >>4547485 six months in.

[Anonymous No.4547789]

>>4547788
>face is really spot on
Look at the mouth.

[Anonymous No.4547792]

>>4547127
Are we even sure that this is from imagination and wasn't referenced from something?

[Anonymous No.4547793]

>>4547789
Yeah yeah, you can nitpick all day, it still blows all other /beg/ work out of the water.

[Anonymous No.4547800]

>>4547787
Not big enough tiddies

[Anonymous No.4547806]

>>4547800
Fixed.

[Anonymous No.4547818]

>>4547762
Not him but thanks anon. Am going to get started on this right away.

[Anonymous No.4547840]

>>4547753
also making a goblin for eating but i am sleepy and will finish and post it tomorrow
please post opinions and feedback while i am sleeping :)

[Anonymous No.4547849]

>>4547818
No problem. For reference, here's one from my sketchbook from when I was working through it myself so you've got a better idea of the amount of detail (or not) required. You can always add more detail where appropriate - it's really easy, so long as the pose is correct.

The point is that once you've got something like that pose down not even a retard can fuck up the rest of the process. You just add your construction work in over the top and because your pose is bang-on it's immediately obvious when the shapes are in the wrong place or suchlike. Like I said, so long as the pose is correct it's just a matter of adding more lines until it looks right.

The only thing it doesn't help with is faces, but you can practice them separately and then just staple them on as required.

[Anonymous No.4547852]

i want to get good at making maps and worldbuilding, first starting with top down maps and then moving onto fantasy buildings like taverns and dnd style things like that.

where can i start with this? /tg/ doesn't seem to be of much use. "How to Draw and Paint Fantasy Architecture - Rob Alexander" is in the sticky but seems way too advanced for me right now.

[Anonymous No.4547855]

>>4547758
Just want more real estate or do you have issues drawing on the smaller screen?

[Anonymous No.4547857]

>>4547852
The only relevant thing that I have.

[Anonymous No.4547868]

How do you create good shading and coloring? All my own work looks layered and terrible. What is a good method or brush to use for everything to look smooth and fine? I mean digital of course. Any tutorials or advice please give.

[Anonymous No.4547878]

Some plants sketches

[Anonymous No.4547884]

>>4547101
he's back

[Anonymous No.4547885]

>>4547127
Who are you quoting?

[foreverbeg No.4547895]

>>4547855
No issues with drawing on the "smaller" screen. I just wanted more screen estate for other tasks including multitasking/split screen. I'm just unsure if the larger screen is cumbersome, which is worrying to me.

[Anonymous No.4547896]

My first digital drawing. Am I gonna make it bros?

[Anonymous No.4547905]

>>4547445
Zzzz fuck off. Getting a good tablet that doesn't have a screen or costs 2x as much for a single-use product with screen. We are in /beg/ not professionals. Ipad will allow gitting gud until they're ready for professional tools.

[Anonymous No.4547906]

>>4547896
Maybe yes, maybe no. Whether you can succeed depends on your improvement over time and desire to draw, not your first drawing.

[Anonymous No.4547910]

>>4547382
You can always have more room on the 12

[Anonymous No.4547914]

what went wrong with
>the neck
>the boobs
>the hand
and most of all, how do i make my shading and colors less shitty? i feel like there's no point in trying to get better if everything i draw looks this lame

[Anonymous No.4547920]

>>4547914
Looks fine to me.

[Anonymous No.4547925]

I FINALLY FINISHED THE 250 BOX CHALLENGE BROS, IM FREE IM FREEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.4547927]

while i'm on the topic of anatomy i'd also like to get some comments on pic related. i usually do pixel art hence why i think this one looks way better than >>4547914 but i'm pretty sure i fucked up the abs
>>4547920
it could be way better though and i want to know HOW

[Anonymous No.4547930]

>>4547927
Also looks fine.

>>4547927
>it could be way better though and i want to know HOW
This is /beg/.

[Anonymous No.4547935]

>>4547927
>i'm pretty sure i fucked up the abs

they're bulging out of his stomach
abs typically sit on an incline relative to the ribcage, so you'll see more shade on them and their bottom half

the bottom abs also go into the body when connecting to the pelvis

also the crotch on his pants isn't centered relative to where his center is: follow the form from his bellybutton down, don't do the lazy thing and half out the figure to find the crotch and belt buckle

also his right delt and neck have an ugly yellow colour that i think you used before giving this skin tone, it stands out

[Anonymous No.4547942]

>>4547935
>abs typically sit on an incline relative to the ribcage, so you'll see more shade on them and their bottom half
Looks like the character is leaning slightly back though, which would cause the twist/deformation you see in the abs. If he was standing bolt upright you'd be correct.

[Anonymous No.4547946]

>>4547942
mm maybe, but then we'd still see shadow on the bottom planes of the abs since they do seem to be catching light as a form (top left highlight) but other than the shape lines to delineate the abs from the rest of the torso and each other there's no transition between light and dark

almost as if left underrendered

[Anonymous No.4547950]

>>4547927
Bottom are too short, please extend them lower.

[Anonymous No.4547967]

>>4547930
>This is /beg/.
i've seen way more skilled people than me posting here before though
>>4547935
so when i'm shading abs i should not outline them individually like that, but just focus implying them by shading the bottom half? kinda like when you're drawing pecs?
and i didn't notice the crotch thing lmao, oops
>also his right delt and neck have an ugly yellow colour that i think you used before giving this skin tone, it stands out
must've missed that, noted

also this is a WIP hence why the outline's janky and i haven't finished the shading in some places, hence why there's no bridge between the darker and lighter shades here and there

>>4547950
you mean the legs?

[Anonymous No.4547968]

>>4547687
good reaction image

[Anonymous No.4547975]

>>4547967
>tfw used hence in the same sentence twice
pls no bully

[Anonymous No.4547987]

[Anonymous No.4548016]

>>4547987
(Cross)Hatching should never be lazy nor random, and should always have a purpose.

[Anonymous No.4548061]

>>4547967
>kinda like when you're drawing pecs?
yes but less noticeably since they're smaller volumes than the pecs: all abs in a vertical string are one muscle, subdivided by a tendon; think of it like pushing clay through a wide-grained strainer

[Anonymous No.4548070]

>>4547987
my bro, look at his technique with the beard, and then look at yours.
He paid attention to every single strand and drew them deliberately. You only payed attention on the general location the strands should be at, and everything else was just autopilot stroking.
Invest more time into observing the ref instead of doing everything in a hurry.

[Anonymous No.4548080]

I usually only doodle, first tablet drawing ever

[Anonymous No.4548088]

>>4547927
Learn the actual anatomy of forearm muscles
You used a darker color to define the abs instead of using the same color as the shadows, which makes it look like a flat board that someone drew abs on with a dark brown marker.
To define the abs use the exact same technique you used to define his anterior deltoid muscles.

[Anonymous No.4548117]

[Anonymous No.4548129]

Can't seem to get the nipples right on this. :/

Also would I get more responses if she had a dick?

[Anonymous No.4548139]

>>4548070
>>4548088
i see, that makes a lot more sense. thanks!

[Anonymous No.4548152]

>>4547895
I'm in the same boat anon, that's why I was asking if it was too awkward to draw with like in a chair or in most situations.

Im going to order one today I think and I'll return it if I don't like it.

[Anonymous No.4548213]

I am honored to see my sketch be the pic for the /beg/ thread. Doing some loomi figures!

[foreverbeg No.4548227]

>>4548152
Please return to /beg/ to post results. I want to know how you feel about it.

[Anonymous No.4548310]

[Anonymous No.4548322]

>>4548310
nice

[Anonymous No.4548335]

>>4548310
welcome to eb games

[Anonymous No.4548342]

>>4548117
ref?

[Anonymous No.4548346]

>>4548335
Is it the neck that long?
I'll make then shorter in the future.

[Anonymous No.4548405]

I feel like I made a terrible perspective mistake on the frills, and the bending of the legs on what should have been a bench.

[Anonymous No.4548425]

[Anonymous No.4548433]

>>4548405
the frills on (our) right side seem to be wrapping around the back of her neck but the ones on the left look like they're clinging to her back. both are fine in terms of swimsuits but i don't think you can have both styles at the same time. i'll refrain from commenting on the legs since i honestly don't know what would make them look better but that's a really cute rhea nonetheless

[Anonymous No.4548436]

>>4548016
>>4548070
Idk why someone replied as me, but thank you for the advice. I’ll try to make the cross hatching follow the underlying forms and be more deliberate with the hair

[Anonymous No.4548443]

>>4548405
people can tell when you've traced a 3D model

[Anonymous No.4548457]

>>4547101

[Anonymous No.4548460]

WIP. Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.4548463]

>>4548460
The reference.

[Anonymous No.4548471]

>>4548443
well...

[Anonymous No.4548481]

>>4548471
You traced someone that traced a 3D model

[Anonymous No.4548494]

BBQ covered.

[Anonymous No.4548495]

Tree with a bird.

[Anonymous No.4548497]

>>4548460
I'd say your biggest problem is with sizes and shapes. You need to get your measurements really accurate before you begin drawing, otherwise you'll be way off of the ref.
The best way to get the measurements correctly is to first establish the edges of the figure, i.e, the width and height of the head you're drawing. Using your pencil, measure the point that is furthest to the left and the point that is furthest to the right, that will give you your width. Do the same thing for top and bottom, and you will get a box that will contain the entire head/figure.

After you've established the main size of the figure, go for the smaller shapes, for example, measure where the tip of the nose is compared to the top of the head or the bottom of the chin, compare the positions both horizontally and vertically.
Another great method to use is to visualize angles, choose 2-3 points and try to see the angle (or the triangle) that they create. Ignore all the countours and details of the face and just focus in on these 3 points that you've chosen, and observe the angles between them. This method used along with the horizontal/vertical comparison measurments will greatly improve your accuracy.

The point is to start with big, abstract BUT ACCURATE shapes. After you've laid down the foundation, only then you go for the wrinkles and the folds and the contours.

If you want more info on this I suggest watching some Youtube vids namely Proko.

[Anonymous No.4548502]

>take pic
>obvious thing becomes obvious

[Anonymous No.4548513]

Took a break from it

[Anonymous No.4548522]

Places where things might be stored.

[Anonymous No.4548523]

>>4548494
I like this one. Doing folds is hard

[Anonymous No.4548525]

Can I study Villpu instead of Loomis? Loomis' stuff looks kinda cartoony and I like how Villpu has an emphasis on structure and figure from what I've seen.

[Anonymous No.4548528]

>>4548525
No that is considered illegal.

[Anonymous No.4548555]

>>4548525
No. You can only study Loomis or a giant nigger will rape you in the ass.

[Anonymous No.4548561]

>>4547101
>2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
>If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomy".
What if you're failing at Loomis? I have been trying his stuff for several years and it's extremely difficult

[Anonymous No.4548564]

>>4548443
>>4548481
How can you tell??

[Anonymous No.4548566]

>>4548561
>What if you're failing at Loomis?
I'm /Beg/, but what worked for me was opening my eyes

[Anonymous No.4548567]

>>4547127
> Asked for books and crits.
> Didn't get any.
I unironically fap to coomers' art and learn from them. I am not that good that's why I asked for the crits.
I guess I'll take this >>4547157

[Anonymous No.4548580]

Help, I can't wrap my head around construction, even while copying from reference material.

[Anonymous No.4548584]

>>4548567
You're fantastic for someone who's only been drawing for six months.

[Anonymous No.4548587]

It truly feels as if I were tainting something pure and good.

[Anonymous No.4548590]

Someone give me a direct answer for >>4548525

[Anonymous No.4548593]

>>4548580
Fuck, forgot to add, Villpu and Bridgman seemed too complicated to me. That's what I mean with >can't wrap my head around construction.

[Anonymous No.4548594]

What do you guys use for your supplies? I can't go to the crafts store so I have to settle with printer paper and a No 2 pencil.

[Anonymous No.4548603]

>>4548594
That's fine. You don't really need more than that for practicing… anything else is just a fun bonus. I would, however, alternate the pencil with a pen sometimes.

[Anonymous No.4548611]

Just doodlin’. Living that NGMI life.

[Anonymous No.4548636]

>>4548590
You could've watched an entire Vilppu lecture from the time you posted that question to now.
Shut the fuck up and start learning.

[Anonymous No.4548655]

>>4548525
Sure, Loomis is an overrated meme anyway.

[Anonymous No.4548666]

>>4548564
After a while of nonstop practice it becomes self evident, everyone who draws can tell

[Anonymous No.4548673]

I-I'm going to make it!

[Anonymous No.4548680]

>>4547113
U got a blog?

[Anonymous No.4548684]

>>4548611
Nigga what even am I doing?

[Anonymous No.4548687]

>>4548684
Please draw bigger.

[Anonymous No.4548690]

>>4548680
Ive got a twitter, but its mostly the same stuff i upload here.
Its @elch__ if you want to follow.

[Anonymous No.4548694]

>>4548580
Loomis but skip the head part and go to construction

[Anonymous No.4548698]

>>4548690
Nice, i am interested in following your progress

[Anonymous No.4548702]

>>4548698
Hope i can deliver

[Anonymous No.4548703]

>>4548687
I can’t. It ends up looking WAY worse.

[Anonymous No.4548711]

>>4548690
Create a blog please

[Anonymous No.4548712]

right now I fucking suck, it's shameful, I'm so bad it makes me want to cry sometimes, but I'll keep drawing more and more untill I get better god fucking damn it, we're all gonna make it

[Anonymous No.4548716]

>>4548684
>Nigga what even am I doing?
Wasting your time instead of putting in effort and commiting.
I don't say this often but your type will NGMI.

[Anonymous No.4548720]

>>4548712
pyw

[Anonymous No.4548738]

>>4548694
thanks m8 u da best

[Anonymous No.4548739]

>>4548712
I BELIEVE IN YOU ANON

[Anonymous No.4548747]

>>4547127
>bird poster
>is good at drawing
I expect nothing less

[Anonymous No.4548757]

>>4547927
Nice colors though my fellow pixel art bro

[Anonymous No.4548779]

where did i go wrong /beg/?

[Anonymous No.4548780]

how easy is it to detect plagiarism and how often does someone happen to be found out about this?

[Anonymous No.4548783]

>>4548703
Maybe try scaling yourself up bit by bit, and analyzing what it is you 'lose' when you upscale? Unless youre planning on going the pixel art route, staying tiny won't help you much in the long run.

[Anonymous No.4548785]

>>4548779
shouldn't have drawn her sideways

[Anonymous No.4548786]

>>4548694
not him but which loomist book would you recommend?

[Anonymous No.4548793]

I hate being bad.

[Anonymous No.4548794]

>>4547061
idk who you are but posting this pic of an incomplete squid girl is both disrespectful to the character and a huge sign of you unable to commit proper practice to any form of artistry

[Anonymous No.4548795]

>>4548779
Neck looks very long to me.

[Anonymous No.4548802]

At fist intent was to try make it neat like these anime people do but. messed it up anyway.

[Anonymous No.4548809]

S-size doesn’t matter, right? My wiener is onions small.

[Anonymous No.4548824]

>>4548809
Yeah your lose style falls apart when upscaled. There's no cure besides confronting this.

[Anonymous No.4548826]

>>4548824
How do I do that? Any particular chapter in loo is or something? Some kind of exercise?
Also something to help me wiener?

[Anonymous No.4548839]

>>4548826
Depends on what your 'goal' is. Given that you take to this particular style (and I assume you want to keep it that way), I'd say practice 'proper' construction, figure drawing, and anatomy with the caveat of cross referencing it with the style you're interested in eventually adapting to. eg: draw the real thing, then try to figure out how that thing translates to your desired style. That way you can get mileage in the core skill without getting mentally wiped out by the grindstone.

>books/exercises/etc
The art books thread is extremely solid when it comes to reference material, guides, etc. Personally, I find vilppu videos useful for a triple threat of construction, anatomy, and figure drawing, but that's just my personal preference, so you might find something else fits.

>penis
incurable. give up.

[Anonymous No.4548849]

>>4548839
Thank you, anon. Even if my penis is disappoint.

[Anonymous No.4548856]

>>4548703
That is the friggin' point! So that you can improve, if you are forced to draw bigger you are also forced to learn to plan your picture better which then necessitates that you learn measuring and planning. Which will serve you better even when drawing smaller. Then once you can plan better you will become more economical with your workload becasue 1 hour of planning saves 2 hours of work. Then if you are comfortable in drawing bigger you will also be able to add more smaller details.

This isn't rocket science Anon it is common sense progression.

[Anonymous No.4548941]

>>4548793
then keep trying

[Anonymous No.4548943]

I'm sorry arnie, I made you ugly ;_;
btw thoughts? i just wanna draw cute chinese cartoons

[Anonymous No.4548945]

>>4548793
I'm not quite eligible to give advice, but I suggest first getting comfortable with basic 3d form. When doing a portrait, I initially construct with a box and add on top of that. My drawing is a bit off model, but hopefully it shows what I mean.
I suggest learning the Reilly method for face construction.
When starting out, you can't spend too much time analyzing, measuring, and even tracing once in a while. Do whatever it takes to learn the subject. Observe how and where various facial features overlap.

[Anonymous No.4548963]

>>4548666
Wait shit, I've had the wrong approach all along. I've been trying to chicken scratch less and line my sketches, but it's not going well. If all I want is drawing things along the lines of >>4548471, is tracing 3D models and focusing more on rendering the best way to go?

[Anonymous No.4548965]

>dont chicken scratch
>literally can't do anything but symbol draw
>chicken scratch
>actually can draw what i am envisioning in my head
>set layer to transparent and start sketching over it
>doesnt look totally horrible

explain to me why chicken scratching is bad

[Anonymous No.4548990]

i suck at feet

[Anonymous No.4549006]

>>4548965
(disclaimer since you did not pyw we can't tell if you are chicken scratching or not, also chicken scratching is usually way worse on traditional media, digital is more forgiving about it)

>explain to me why chicken scratching is bad
It is unclear, it does not put down lines that are clear, thus even if it is a sketch when you do your lineart above you cannot be sure where you intended that line to be. Especially if you are drawing things that are highly detailed and you do not have experience with.

It takes time, having many smaller less visible lines is wasted time if you want one solid line after. You could spend that time crosshatching for shading.

It is more strain on your body, yeah I know this sounds trivial but if you are drawing a lot you really need to pay attention to be economical because you will feel the pressure of time and pressure of fatigue on the body. Trust me, you will have a ton of other shit to worry about that you don't consider when you are still starting out.

[Anonymous No.4549008]

>>4547840
accidentally deleted it and worked on it from the screenshot lol

thoughts so far?

[Anonymous No.4549013]

>>4547914
you used a drawing tablet right?
How did you make the lines so straight?

[Anonymous No.4549015]

>>4548963
Sounds like a recipe for turd polishing.

[Anonymous No.4549018]

>>4549013
What is a ruler.

[Anonymous No.4549027]

>>4548567
>>4547127
How?

[Anonymous No.4549028]

>>4549018
well i now feel retarded thanks anon :D

[Anonymous No.4549030]

>>4548965
>dont chicken scratch
>literally can't do anything but symbol draw
You're using it as a crutch to guess at form till it looks passable instead of just learning it. Without an understanding of form your guess work might not look totally horrible but it's going to be like your stumbling your way through the dark going, "Well see, i made it to the end!" when you could have opted to turn on the lights.

[Anonymous No.4549031]

>>4544872
The google doc guide is really good and carefully very detailed. Dunno why people are saying it's outdated
>do the exercise of the upside down Stravinsky
I legit tried it and feel mentally retarded. Drawn on a iPad mini 3 on Procreate using an Adonit Dash 3, the stylus is not exactly on the point but I'm not sure if that's just me subconsciously coping

[Anonymous No.4549032]

>>4548342
Imagination

[Anonymous No.4549037]

Is copying Michael Angelo drawings a good practice??! Anyways to make it the most effective learning expirence

[Anonymous No.4549039]

>>4549037

[Anonymous No.4549041]

>>4548129
The nipples wouldn’t be visible imo

[Anonymous No.4549051]

>>4549037
>>4549039
> Copying Michael Angelo
Art thou ?

[Anonymous No.4549053]

>>4549037
I dig it.

[Anonymous No.4549054]

>>4549051
Yes well the second one is me my face drawing without looking at the paper Lol I like how funny it comes out sometimes good way to laugh

[Anonymous No.4549074]

practicing 8 head length proportions with varying amounts of guides

[Anonymous No.4549088]

>>4548802
the face doesn't match the way you drew the rest

[Anonymous No.4549090]

>>4549074
Why not start figure drawing? You’ll learn a lot

[Anonymous No.4549093]

How do I ween myself off using overly rough brushes for lineart?
If I try using a super smooth brush everything looks too digital and clean. When I use a rough, textured brush it looks alot better but a lot less clean. Is there some sort of middle ground or am I not using the clean brush well enough?

[Anonymous No.4549122]

Am I feeling the form, whatever that means?

[Anonymous No.4549134]

>>4549122
nope, this is bad. My advice for you is to stop being bad and start being good.

[Anonymous No.4549137]

>>4549074
Irshad, is that you?

[Anonymous No.4549146]

>>4549137
just draw 2000000 boxes lmao

[Anonymous No.4549148]

>>4548129
Use reference for nipples. If you can't see it from a photo especially if it's in a low resolution check out cartoony/manga style porn/hentai for different variants of nipples.

[Anonymous No.4549155]

When people say loomis, what book do they mean?

[Anonymous No.4549159]

>>4549122
It's not flat I can say that but please PLEASE measure your proportions first because your proportions "chaotic" at best.

[Anonymous No.4549163]

>>4549155
All of them, actually loomis is just a blanket turn for "learning general fundamentals"

[Anonymous No.4549170]

>>4549159
Wow thanks for taking your time to redline this turd. Tbh I actually didn't bother to measure proportions, I just did "gesture" in sweeping strokes as Proko suggests.

[Anonymous No.4549174]

>>4549163
Should I start with Fun With A Pencil or is it okay if I start with Figure Drawing?

[Anonymous No.4549193]

How do I learn anatomy faster?
I'm stuck on leg and arm muscles.
I csnt get used to the twisting.

[Anonymous No.4549197]

do you guys use an easel

[Anonymous No.4549220]

>>4549197
I actually bought one that sits in my lap and it's been helpful for my posture

[Anonymous No.4549228]

>>4549170
Gesture is where you start, gesture is the basic movement or "action line". But that is there to help you find the basic position of the body, the you measure your body proportions to find where things start and end

Where does the crotch start? Where do the legs end? Legs and torso should be roughly the same length so the crotch is somewhere at the halfway. Where does the arm start? Where does the elbow end? are the lower arm and upper arm equal (or at least similar) length? Are the legs the same length as the torso? Is the head long big as the forearm? Is the face big enough so that you can cover it with two hands (like you can in real life?) or the figure has massive gorilla hands that can grab a whole human skull and crunch it in their palm? And so on and on, this is why you learn figure drawing to know the basic measurements of the body.

Once you got the proportions down THEN you should use your ref to add the details.

[Anonymous No.4549234]

>>4549174
Whichever you's like I think figure drawing is better because it is more technical, while I think Fun with Pencil is more like a casual book to demonstrate how much you can do if you already know some basics.

[Anonymous No.4549278]

>>4549134
based

[Anonymous No.4549285]

>>4549093
Does it matter?

[Anonymous No.4549289]

>>4549220
like, just a flat one that lays on your legs?

[Anonymous No.4549293]

>>4549234
Alright, thanks. Should I worry about the heads section? I've seen others say to not worry about it and go straight to the construction part.

[Anonymous No.4549295]

>>4549285
It does to me, or I wouldnt have made the post

[Anonymous No.4549300]

>>4549289
this

[Anonymous No.4549305]

>>4549197
I got a board ofeeeee mdf wood which I rest on my legs and lean on the edge of my table, to get a angled drawing surface.

[Anonymous No.4549308]

>>4549300
thanks

[Anonymous No.4549310]

>>4549295
Use whatever yields the best results.

[Anonymous No.4549311]

Im attempting to do 'draw what you see' exercises but keep drawing lines that are off in placement or angle even when i was completely confident they were right. I just can't see the inaccuracy. Is there something i'm missing? I'm just unable to reliable make accurate lines in comparison to other points and landmarks.

[Anonymous No.4549316]

>>4549311
try making horizontal and vertical landmarks relative to a point in order to draw smaller chunks at a time

[Anonymous No.4549339]

How do you study loomis and Bridgman? Do you just copy every drawing a dozen times and then apply it? My drawings still look off

[Anonymous No.4549346]

>>4549310
guess ill ask again at a better hour

[Anonymous No.4549370]

>>4548711
Where would you create your blog?
so many options not sure where to make one.

[Anonymous No.4549445]

what are the best books/exercises for perspective? thinking about buildings, rooms etc.

[Anonymous No.4549490]

>>4549445
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n5/mode/2up

[Anonymous No.4549508]

New

>>4549506 >>4549506 >>4549506

[Anonymous No.4549510]

Where did the books mega link go?

[Anonymous No.4550206]

>>4548779
One of the lines on the neck looks like you have her an Adam's apple.
Couple that with the long thick neck and it looks like you're portraying a trap.
Unless that's what you're going for, then you do you.

[Anonymous No.4550235]

>>4548943
Okay then
Step 1: start drawing cute China cartoon heads and faces. Make sure each head is separate from each other and that they don't overlap. Finish each of these to the best of your ability.
Step 2: post results here. Get advice. Apply advice to your work.
Step 3: rinse and repeat 1 & 2 until you're satisfied with your work.

Then just apply these 3 steps to body composition and settings once you're done with the head.

[Anonymous No.4550993]

>>4547884

[Anonymous No.4552604]

new thread >>4551239