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https://www.insider.com/the-link-between-creativity-and-mental-health-2018-7
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2899997/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_health
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-real-link-between-creativity-and-mental-illness/
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/neuropsychiatry/creativity-and-mental-illness
Etcetera.
Creativity is linked to surges of dopamine, and when artists feel that their "inspiration" is gone, they go into art block. Ya know what's the definition for prolonged states of high dopamine followed by a quickly dropping state? Bipolar disorder. And this is just the tip of the iceberg. Most of you fuckers are fucking normies who complain about not being able to draw all day here in /ic/ because you are too scared to delve into the necessarily deranged states that are actually required to do art full of soul. Crabs, please fuck off to /pol/ or other normie boards. Only those receiving the curse and the blessings of the dark gods can make it here.

>> No.4534652

>>4534651
>Pandemonium wizard village
Based

>> No.4534660

>>4534651
are you really gonna go that far to find excuses to give up on art?
That's pretty sad.
If you want to quit, at least be honest with yourself. Only cowards and fools make excuses.

>> No.4534666

>>4534660
OP is actually saying the opposite, moron

>> No.4534811

You need an IQ of 3 digits to understand OP

>> No.4534824

>>4534651
This is pretty much the reason I won't go on medication for my personal issues, even though doctors have urged me to. I don't want to pill away my creativity. I hate living the way I'm living but I'm just afraid of losing the one thing that makes me happy.

Seriously /ic/, don't glamorize mental illness. It's not fun, and I know I'm a total hypocrite saying this, but trust me when I say there are better ways of making it.

>> No.4534834

>>4534824
Do not take your medication:
https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/cultural-psychiatry/creativity-and-psychiatric-illness-finding-sweet-spot/page/0/2

>> No.4534847

Creativity shares genetic roots with both bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, and symptoms associated with schizophrenia can contribute to creativity.7,8 Flattened affect, apathy, and a sense of strangeness may manifest themselves in creative irony, rule-breaking, self-reference, and temporal and spatial dislocations. Psychotic symptoms can also impede creative work, which may account for higher rates of avocational creative activities like poetry and photography in people with schizophrenia.9

>> No.4534855

>>4534651
Creative mania is a state you reach when you're actually creating, not shitposting on /ic/.

>> No.4534864

As someone diagnosed bipolar, I can definitively say that you don't need mental issues to be creative. I'm doing just fine even though I'm on a cocktail of drugs to treat my condition. The only thing that matters is practice.

>> No.4534877

>>4534651
Sometimes I get inspired for days, and sometimes i get stuck for months. But regardless of that I have other things going for me in life and they keep me grounded. I've been consistently happy ever since I've started working from home and entered a long-term relationship, about 2 years now. I make ~$30K a year from my art.

>> No.4534895

>>4534877
That sounds pretty nice, mind posting your art? I mean, no need to post anything big, just a small sketch or something

>> No.4534923

>>4534651
Sounds like pseudo-scientific bullshit. Sure, there are visionaries like Van Gogh and William Blake who had mental illness. But the craftsmen most of /ic/ admire? The reality of their success is much more dull: dedication, patience and years of hard work.

>> No.4534936

>>4534923
>literal research literature posted in the links
>"hehehe its pseudocience"

>> No.4534964

>>4534811
based

>>4534864
Practice builds technique, not creativity. Obligatory pyw, I'm genuinely curious

>> No.4534966

>>4534923
>William Blake
>mental illness
I feel sad for atheists

>> No.4534967

take ur meds schizo

>> No.4535046

>>4534967
No

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>>4534964

>> No.4535248

Art is savage. People who can't understand that try to go the easy way, mechanically repeating the lessons devised by fundies. They remind me of a teacher at college. "All students ever do is memorize formulas, I almost never meet a student that actually tries to understand the math"

>> No.4535327

>>4534936
>literal research literature posted in the links
>"hehehe its pseudocience"

Did you actually read any of it?

>R. Keith Sawyer, PhD, Morgan Distinguished Professor in Educational Innovations at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, cited several studies that examined creative individuals.2 “None of these studies found an elevated degree of mental illness in creative people.”

The only research that gives the preconception any credence is:

>originality and schizotypy show similar functional brain activity patterns during creative ideation

Which is not the same as "creativity = mental illness." The headlines take a tenuous link in certain activities and run with it.

>> No.4535332

>>4535248
How to "understand the math"?

>> No.4535348

>>4535327
Fool. The way in which inspiration comes and goes from artists mimicks the mechanisms of both bipolarity and schizotypy. This is why I say that in order to become a good artist one has to become mad too, of course, being a bit hyperbolic there.

>> No.4535418

>>4534651
1. You can’t give yourself bipolar disorder, it’s genetic
2. That’s not what Bipolar is, everyone gets dopamine spikes followed by a depression, with people who have Bipolar it’s just way more extreme and way more cyclical.
3. When someone with bipolar is having a manic episode, they’re usually not able to properly channel their energy creatively, though they’re encouraged to, in order to avoid going off the rails
4. Bipolar isn’t the only disorder tied to creativity, and neither is creativity exclusive to people with mental illness.

t. My exgf was bipolar, my dad has BPD, my grandma has schizophrenia, my uncle paranoia, and I’m pretty sure I have functional depression.

>> No.4535427

>>4534855
Yep, that's why I sometimes AVOID drawing. I'll make a schedule and say "I'll do a quick doodle and then play vidya or watch anime", but once I'm there drawing I can't do the disservice of not investing everything into the piece. I gotta shade it, no no, also color and render, and what if we expand the canvas and add a better background and characters? I know let's turn this into a story!
9 hours later I can consider the drawing finished and as my eyes hurt, I regretfully fall asleep because my brain had enough time to think of the next "chapters" I should be drawing right now. Sure, I drew a mecha, but now I also thought about his fight against the hero, him winning at first finally losing, a sick drawing of the mad scientist, his other experiments, etc.. The creativity can't stop flowing

>> No.4535474

>>4535418
NGMI
>>4535427
GMI

>> No.4535487

>>4534651
>you've got good eyes
>wears glasses
And dropped

>> No.4535535

>>4535068
>he actually did it
that's a nice birb, anon

>> No.4535541

Hail insanity

>> No.4535548
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4535548

>>4535332
The way math is taught in American K-12 is an atrocity. Math is basically the art of ideas, construction and exploration of logical systems that evoke something relevant to our experience and perhaps even enhance our understanding of what it is. "Principles of Mathematical Analysis" by Walter Rudin is a good book that approaches things this way and is reasonably accessible. K-12 math is the equivalent of being required to take art for 12 years but only ever learning about paints, brushes, charcoal, etc. and never drawing or painting.

>I think that it is a relatively good approximation to truth — which is much too complicated to allow anything but approximations — that mathematical ideas originate in empirics. But, once they are conceived, the subject begins to live a peculiar life of its own and is … governed by almost entirely aesthetical motivations. In other words, at a great distance from its empirical source, or after much "abstract" inbreeding, a mathematical subject is in danger of degeneration. Whenever this stage is reached the only remedy seems to me to be the rejuvenating return to the source: the reinjection of more or less directly empirical ideas.

>> No.4535561

>>4535548
BASED and GMI

>> No.4535570

>>4534651
bpdchads rise up

>> No.4535903

OCD,DEPression wass worst nightmare to me i suffered with that shit for 10 years it just killed my right brain i drastically improving fast since i fix all of that shit. Seriously fuck that shit

I'm gonna destroy all highschool in my country that fuckers dosen't worth to live i'm gonna rip out their spine and shove it to their ass than i will wipe out poor region in that city too

>> No.4535917

>>4535903
What you need is maniac depression aka bipolarity bruh, it sucks to be in low dopamine all the time. But I hope your dream comes true. Best of luck.

>> No.4535918

>>4535903
and l'm gonna put all of loomisfags realism zealot who gave bad influence to me in grinder machine

i'm so pissed off there's no mercy for them
watch a schoolism you fucking shitheads and practice shit and publish your crap

>> No.4535928

starting is hard

stopping is hard

>> No.4535934

>>4535918
Based
>>4535928
Based too

>> No.4535944
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>> No.4535946

just eat bread
eating bread causes schizophrenia and psychosis no joke the link has been known for about 2000 years
schizophrenia was even called "bread madness"

>> No.4535967

>>4534651
>>4535418
>>4535946
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4809873/

>> No.4535984

>>4535944
i passed in front of it every day because i took a waterbus that crossed the gran canal, that thing was so nice. Motherfuckers took it down because it was disrupting Venice sense of aesthetic or some shit like that. Really depressing if you ask me, considering the massage behind the sculpture too..

>> No.4536001

>>4535946
Why anyone would want to willingly give themselves schizophrenia is beyond me. It’s a lifelong life-ruining illness. Why would anyone want to live like that.

Also, if you legit wanna force it, just do a lot of LSD and other hallucinogenics.

>> No.4536003

>>4535984

I'm shocked they took it down. It was absolutely Venetian in it's character. Love it.

>> No.4536004

>>4536001

Not recommended. Being unmotivated is like being in a level of hell.

>> No.4536109

>>4535946
MOLDY bread is what gives schizophrenia, not normal bread, moron
>>4535967
Or maybe not? Hmmm...
>>4536004
This

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4536506

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ONLY MENTALLY ILL PEOPLE LIKE ME CAN BE ARTISTS!!!
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO BE QUIRKY AND DEPRESSED TO MAKE GOOD ART!!!
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE YOUR OWN ART!!!

>> No.4536563

>>4536506
its not my fault you were born tedious and literal-minded dude the world needs accountants right?