/asg/ - Anime Study General

[Anonymous No.4390421]

Why You Should Copy Anime:
https://i.imgur.com/zNDsyF0
https://youtu.be/t_IODIIYAe0

Make it Stick: The Science of Successful Learning:
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=F0581EBF3D1D926E1A67127383C97350

**Strive for quantity AND quality.**

Anime Studying:
>Copy anime references exactly and draw them from memory. Use illustrations, screenshots, anime figures, 3D models, etc.
>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>Post all of your anime studies. Post even when you’re told not to. Create an art community that actually draws and improves together instead of just talking about it.
>Number your attempts and link to your previous posts.
>Critiquers should lead by example by posting their studies.

General Anime Style Discussion:
>Questions about achieving certain styles/techniques/compositions etc.
>Drawing methods, study habits, resources, tutorials, tools, software, etc
>Be specific and try to post a sample of your study attempts before asking for help.

**Keep most of your personal works for /alt/ or the other critique threads. Here we should be drawing copies from good anime styled references to mindfully up our mileage, internalize appealing aesthetics, and learn from each other’s processes and knowledge.**

Effective Art Study Guide:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cK9q7oeFRE58MVaSgUql662iGqCXC8Ah

General Art Overview:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz_mE9a29gsEd09TemJMNTJMWGs

Japanese Book Collection:
https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!sddDyarD

Recommended Resources:
https://pastebin.com/Yz2scAEc

Discord:
https://discord.gg/3bwdfRk

Previous Thread:
>>4374577

[Anonymous No.4390427]

https://twitter.com/mishiro12
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/1401663

[Anonymous No.4390466]

Having a lot of trouble especially with the curves of the legs.

[Anonymous No.4390519]

>>4390466
There are few remedies for inaccurate copying except grinding, unfortunately.
Going slow is the one thing that makes more of a difference for my copies than anything else. Marking out proportions can also help, as well as marking off general landmarks like, ok I see that the apex of the curve should line up with her eye, the lowest dip of the curve should line up with her chin, etc.

[Anonymous No.4390562]

>>4390466
Reiq help me a lot with legs give it a look
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSUqG3DpEsw&feature=youtu.be

[Anonymous No.4390580]

>>4390466
stop drawing anime

[Anonymous No.4390581]

>>4390580
New rule, you can't give this advice to people unless you also post your own anime work at the same time.

[Anonymous No.4390589]

>>4390581
why

[Anonymous No.4390596]

>>4390580
Either be construct or leave, you contrarian nigger

[Anonymous No.4390618]

>>4390589
If you're going to give someone such weird counterintuitive advice on how to draw anime, then you should post anime so that we know what you're talking about. Did you learn how to draw anime by not drawing anime?

[Anonymous No.4390632]

>>4390618
What he should have said is to stop copying anime.

[Anonymous No.4390648]

>>4390618
>Did you learn to draw anime by not drawing anime
yes
>>4390632
copy anime after you stop copying anime

[Anonymous No.4390652]

>>4390648
>yes
Then pyw, otherwise you're just a troll.

[Anonymous No.4390688]

>>4390596
>>4390581
Why retarded /beg/ is a thing.

[Anonymous No.4390694]

>>4390688
Less words, more work.
We know you don't have any to post though.

[Anonymous No.4390724]

>>4390694

[Anonymous No.4390725]

>>4390724
oof.

[Anonymous No.4390726]

>>4390724
Yikes

[Anonymous No.4390730]

>>4390724
Oh no haha

[Anonymous No.4390734]

>>4390724
Ok, so you're around the same level as most of us. I don't think you have the authority to tell people how to learn how to draw anime then, considering you haven't finished learning it yourself.

[Anonymous No.4390740]

>>4390725
>>4390726
>>4390730
>>4390734
That's not even me

[Anonymous No.4390742]

>>4390734
But he is still in the right though, you may learn how to draw any desired style through the understanding of fundamentals and then with enough immersion be able to accomplish the desired product with accuracy.

[Anonymous No.4390748]

>>4390742
Yeah, that all sounds real nice.
pyw.

[Anonymous No.4390749]

>>4390725
>>4390726
>>4390730
How about you post your work?

>>4390742
This

[Anonymous No.4390752]

>>4390748
>>4390749

[Anonymous No.4390753]

>>4390742
It's not right to tell people to stop drawing anime in an anime study thread, it would be better to tell people to get an anatomy book and study people as well as favorite artists.

[Anonymous No.4390755]

>>4390749
>How about you post your work
None of us are claiming to be good. We're just here to learn. This guy says that he knows how to learn how to draw anime and that he's good at drawing it himself. If that's the case then he should back up his claims. Otherwise I'll go with the reasonable assumption that he's a /beg/ too and he thought it would make him look cool and smart to parrot the "study your fundies" line.

[Anonymous No.4390760]

>>4390562
>>4390519
Thanks, most help I’ve ever gotten on this crab board

[Anonymous No.4390765]

Should I get this?

[Anonymous No.4390770]

>>4390749
Why should I? I'm not the assholing telling a guy to stop drawing anime in an anime study general.

[Anonymous No.4390772]

>>4390765
no it's absolute garbage and you can easily find it online

[Anonymous No.4390774]

>>4390755
Neither did the guy who said to stop drawing anime.

>>4390752
Wtf that’s worse than the artwork posted above.

[Anonymous No.4390775]

>>4390752
I doubt that you're actually Mikufag.
And if you ARE Mikufag, then I would say that the reason that drawing looks decent is because you've drawn literally that same head, in slightly different positions and expressions, dozens of times. You don't need an anatomy book to be able to do that. (Not that I have anything against anatomy books).

[Anonymous No.4390776]

>>4390765
It's a treasure trove if you want to write manga stories. If you want to draw illustrations it's useless.

[Anonymous No.4390779]

>>4390753
>It's not right to tell people to stop drawing anime in an anime study thread
We're telling you to stop copying to help you not fall for the trap that got many of us in the beginning, first and foremost when you are copying from anime you are referencing material that has been designed to look good in motion under a budget which results in sacrificing form and details which leaves you with beans as opposed to studying from life which is the basis of all artforms regardless of style.

Secondly you risk learning bad habits from other artists that would result in you having to unlearn these negative traits such as hiding hands, avoiding feet, stiff figures just to name a few.

and last but not least is the inability to draw form imagination which is the basis of drawing a stylized genre that deviates away form life through experimentation of proportion, use of abstract and simplified forms. What you're essentially working with is an idealized and abstract concept that mimics life but is not entirely found in life. This may only be achieved through experimentation, not copying as excessive referencing is just as bad due to you developing a reliance towards referencing others that have already solved the problem to idealizing a figure.

[Anonymous No.4390780]

>>4390774
Someone said they knew how to draw anime >>4390648
And if you're not able to pyw then I don't think you have the authority to tell people to stop drawing anime.

>that's worse than the artwork posted above
I think Mikufag's work is cute, although clearly not everyone agrees.

[Anonymous No.4390786]

>>4390779
Boy howdy that's a lot of words.
Please post your work as a demonstration of the application of these principles.

[Anonymous No.4390788]

>>4390779
The guy said "stop drawing anime". If he meant something else he should say that instead.

[Anonymous No.4390793]

>>4390780
Fucker I never said that. I’m the anon that posted that above mikufag, you’re just saying that out of your ass.

[Anonymous No.4390797]

Please help!
I'm trying to find a chibi style and I'm so indecisive to decide on one please suggest me some of your favorite so I can study from.

[Anonymous No.4390799]

>>4390786
Fucking hell might as well post the whole goddamn wip. Please help with foreshortening that arm before I get Banned again.

>>>/b/821482113

[Anonymous No.4390805]

>>4390770
You did shit on the artwork above, so post your work just like those other anons.

[Anonymous No.4390833]

>>4390799
So this... is the power... of fundies...

[Anonymous No.4390861]

>>4390725
>>4390726
>>4390730
>>4390734
>Crabs
Better than the shit you post.

[Anonymous No.4390868]

>>4390688
> thinks I'm /beg/
I'm by no means a pro, but ...

>>4390724
Oh dear. You poor thing.

[Anonymous No.4390879]

>>4390868
Retard /beg/ means a retarded beginner.
It does not apply to entire thread.

[Anonymous No.4390881]

>>4390797
is this yours? or just an example of what you want?

[Anonymous No.4390882]

>>4390879
Retarded*

[Anonymous No.4391016]

Recently found Chang Sheng's mangas, pic related is my favorite one so far. Love his art style. There's something about the way he draws faces and a lot of dynamic poses. I'm a complete beginner and can only draw what I can see. Any tips for a beginner-ish anon? Should I keep going with traditional or switch to digital(I recently got a tablet).

[Anonymous No.4391019]

>>4391016
My attempt before I ran out of ink, don't feel like running out to buy more pens.

[Anonymous No.4391040]

>>4391019
I'd love to develop an art style similar to this, but I have no idea where to start. Don't want to be a xerox machine(overstatement) forever.

[Anonymous No.4391055]

>>4390772
I searched but I can’t find it online

[Anonymous No.4391071]

>>4390652
Ok original stop drawing anime poster here to address calls to post my work and remind everyone to stop drawing anime.

[Anonymous No.4391072]

>>4390775
>I would say that the reason that drawing looks decent is because you've drawn literally that same head, in slightly different positions and expressions, dozens of times.
>It's good only because you keep drawing until you got good which ultimately makes it bad.
There's just no pleasing you cunts is there.
>>4391071
oooooof. It looks like you've referenced a 3dpig and slapped on an amawu head. It just doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous No.4391074]

>>4391072
Its from imagination bud, no reference. If you don't wanna believe me then there really isn't anything I can do lol. Its called learning anatomy.

[Anonymous No.4391075]

>>4391074
Keep all proportions in relationship to each other especially the head. It's out of proportion.

[Anonymous No.4391076]

>>4391075
I'd love a redline, unironically

[Anonymous No.4391077]

>>4391075
Forgot to mention the hands, place your hand across your chest and notice where it starts and ends from the sternum to the outermost part of the deltoid.

[Anonymous No.4391079]

>>4391076
I'll do it later.

[Anonymous No.4391080]

>>4391079
Appreciate it

[Anonymous No.4391085]

finally finished my Tituria

[Anonymous No.4391087]

>>4391085
weren't you working on this like a month ago

[Anonymous No.4391098]

>>4391072
No, I like Mikufag's work. My point wasn't "it's only good because you grinded it and therefore it's bad". My point was just "it's only good because you grinded it", period. It's good because of the mileage and the repeated attempts at this subject and style. Not because he calculated based on his knowledge of fundies how to draw a chibi Miku head. My personal theory is that most improvement comes from "just draw". The study methods and subject matter aren't that relevant.

>>4391071
Yeah you're about as good as I thought you would be. When you can draw, then you can start giving people advice.

[Anonymous No.4391102]

>>4391087
Yeah, it took me about 2-3 weeks
Because of that being from imagination I got stuck in a LOT of things, more precisely anatomy and perspective.
I watched about 10 hours of vilppu and went looking for things in books like Hampton in the meantime, also did some studies from irl models. But the drawing itself took about 8-10 hours which is also long.

[Anonymous No.4391105]

>>4391098
>Praises mikufag
>Proceeds to tell me I can't draw
lol ok, nice

[Anonymous No.4391174]

>>4391019
Decided to unbox the tablet(XP-Pen Deco 1) and give it a try. How am I doing so far /ic/?

[Anonymous No.4391176]

>>4391174
Looking good, finish it up.

[Anonymous No.4391183]

>>4391176
On it!

[Anonymous No.4391271]

Why can't I find people that want to commission me, my prices are extremely low for my skills compared to other artist on my skill level, literally even below minimum wage
Where am I supposed to advertise about them, I've tried discord and social media..

[Anonymous No.4391281]

>>4391071
this is the most awful drawing i've seen in my entire fucking life

[Anonymous No.4391287]

>>4391281
Are you sure you don't mean your own drawing?

[Anonymous No.4391295]

>>4391071
Thought so, your work is shit.

[Anonymous No.4391296]

>>4391295
Post your work.

[Anonymous No.4391306]

>>4391296
>>4390724

[Anonymous No.4391311]

>>4391074
you can't learn something from nothing, that's stupid. if you wanna learn anatomy, you HAVE to see from reference, otherwise, your art will keep at shit like it is right now

[Anonymous No.4391321]

>>4390421
cute boys, OP<3

[Anonymous No.4391373]

>>4391295
>>4391281
Holy fuck, I really struck a nerve lmao. Post your work faggots.
>>4391311
Yeah I have been using references retard, that's how I learn. I didn't use reference for this because its a pretty basic pose that I could construct from imagination. Let's see your art.

[Anonymous No.4391376]

>>4391373

[Anonymous No.4391377]

Study, boy study

[Anonymous No.4391387]

>>4391373
I'm >>4390581 and here's my work. Also from imagination.
For what it's worth, I think it's good to mix in anime practice with anatomy/figure drawing/etc. I just think that telling people "stop drawing anime" doesn't make much sense.

[Anonymous No.4391397]

>>4391387
I'm not gonna act like the other babies on here and start putting down your art because we have a disagreement on something. There's improvement to be made in yours but likewise in mine obviously. I respect you clearly are studying anatomy and have a sense of how the body works unlike some other people. And yes me saying "stop drawing anime" is mainly just me memeing (although there is some truth to it), I say it literally every thread. Don't know why it got such a big response this time.

[Anonymous No.4391412]

>>4391397
Because those /beg/s want to find excuses that’s about it. Besides I only started to shit on their art cause they did with mine first. Btw, keep improving anon, you’ll get there someday.

[Anonymous No.4391414]

>>4391397
Oh I'm absolutely a /beg/ and my art is trash. I wouldn't claim otherwise.
It's hard to tell who's memeing around here and who's not. A lot of people act like they have the absolute true way to draw and anyone who disagrees with them will never be good. So that gets frustrating after a while, especially when those people usually try to push methods that don't work for me (I've always learned things in a very haphazard way, rather than say going trough a nice linear progression of perspective -> anatomy -> color -> stylization etc) and they usually shit on the type of art that I like (i.e. anime).
I currently believe that the most fundamental key to improving is mileage, and the type of learning structure you put on top of that is of secondary importance at best. I do see the benefits of studying realistic anatomy though which is why I switch back and forth between drawing anime and drawing realism.

[Anonymous No.4391417]

Why do all the face copies i made look really bad

[Anonymous No.4391418]

>>4391387
Lmao I did it too

[Anonymous No.4391420]

>>4391417
because you are too retarded to figure it out how to study

[Anonymous No.4391423]

>>4390466
You guys need to grind forms, perspective and Hampton/Loomis before tracing anything or you'll be forever ngmi.

[Anonymous No.4391425]

>>4391417
You need practice, that's all. Do it again but with 1000 more faces.

[Anonymous No.4391431]

>>4391417
pick a style you want anon, dont do everything all at once.

[Anonymous No.4391432]

>>4391417
Learn and master Loomis head,
Pick one artist you like,
Trace over the head.

[Anonymous No.4391460]

>>4391420
Based

[Anonymous No.4391513]

I have a very cartoony art style. Would studying anime still be good for basic character anatomy?

[Anonymous No.4391593]

Anyone know some literature on the anatomy of female breasts?

[Anonymous No.4391597]

>>4391593
Feel the form.

[Anonymous No.4391599]

>>4391597
i need the /lit/ though

[Anonymous No.4391609]

>>4391593
anatomy4sculptors and doxy tuts.

[Anonymous No.4391634]

>>4391609
thanks. I've checked out the doxy tuts. I guess there really isn't much else to know except that they're blobs of fat hanging from the chest, it just comes down to studying lots of boobies.

[Anonymous No.4391812]

>>4391513
Yes. Anime is somewhere in between realism and full cartoony. You should study anything you can get your hands on (as long as it's good). It can't do any harm and every art style has something to teach you.

Just be aware of the depth you want to go into each subject. If you wanna study how oil painters apply color, go ahead, but don't spend 6 months learning how to paint in oil if you want to draw Adventure Time comics.

[Anonymous No.4391813]

>>4391072
This is the first time I've been okay with you using your made up word. Lesser of two evils, and what not.

[Anonymous No.4391815]

>>4391271
> Why?
post your work and prices and we'll tell you.

[Anonymous No.4391820]

>>4391423
When you say...
> grind forms
...what exactly do you mean?

[Anonymous No.4391822]

>>4391085
I see you hiding the breast/armpit fold that you were having trouble with with hair. You shouldn't do that. But as an illustration it's well done. Don't worry about taking too long, especially if you were studying in between.

[Anonymous No.4391823]

>>4391822
Actually, that anon was worried about it because he said it was going to be covered. He said that with his draw-throughs.

[Anonymous No.4391833]

>>4391418
>>4391417
>>4391387
>>4391376
>>4391174
>>4391085
>>4391071
>>4391019
>>4390868
>>4390752
>>4390724
>>4390466
/asg/

[Anonymous No.4391852]

>>4391820
Drawing basic shape (box, sphere, pyramid, cylinder, cone) in any position and beiing able to rotate them.

[Anonymous No.4391860]

>>4391833
Pyw

[Anonymous No.4391863]

>>4390734
That’s a huge fucking cope.

[Anonymous No.4391868]

>>4391823
Oh alright, I missed that :)

[Anonymous No.4391885]

>>4391833
Literally no one here claimed to be above /beg/, like 90% of the rest of the board. What exactly is the problem?

[Anonymous No.4391898]

>>4390765
If you want to make webcomics or something, absolutely. It doesn't help with drawing, but it is invaluable for learning how to construct a story in drawings, like a manga or a comic.

[Anonymous No.4391957]

hahahaha i love these threads
it weeds out all the shit eating brainlets who thinks they can make it anywhere by copying anime
lmao
less competition

[Anonymous No.4391959]

>>4391957
How do you propose that we learn how to draw anime instead?

[Anonymous No.4391974]

>>4391957
By learning realism first.
Tracing without a deep understanding on how shit works won't ever make you good.
Draw from life as much as possible, use references ( it's not cheating), master forms and perspective, improve your line quality and muscle memory.
Don't try to draw without gesture/construction because pros with decades of practice can do it.
Practice a few hours per day for a few months and you'll be better than 99% of /ic/.

[Anonymous No.4391976]

>>4391974
meant for
>>4391959

[Anonymous No.4391978]

>>4391974
That's sounds good and all but I suppose you've gone through these few hours a day for a few months? Show me your "better than 99% of /ic/" work

[Anonymous No.4391981]

>>4391978
And by the way, tracing isn't copying, don't get them mixed together

[Anonymous No.4391983]

>>4391815
something like this would cost no more than 14 bucks
tho might take less since nagatoro is simple

[Anonymous No.4391985]

>>4391974
I can see how that's one viable theory of learning how to draw anime. I think there are also arguments against it though, or at least arguments for striking more of a balance between realism and anime studies.
Do you think you could post an example of your anime work so we can see how your realism-first approach has improved your anime?

[Anonymous No.4391988]

>>4391983
i'll pay you 14 dollars to stop brutalizing anime girl hands with that sledge hammer of yours.

[Anonymous No.4391989]

>>4391988
do it anon

[Anonymous No.4392001]

>>4391978
My work is shit because i fell for the "Bro you just need to trace it thousands of times" meme too, now I need to grind forms and perspective from the beginning.
Be smarter than the average /ic/ poster and do real practices instead of wasting your sharing those "tips" to draw anime.
At some point you'll be good enough for studying how your favorite artist render, stylize anatomy to make it appealing, works on composition, play with perspective, construct an head...
You need to be aware of the rules and master them before working on anime seriously.

[Anonymous No.4392020]

>>4392001
There seem to be at least a few misconceptions here.

1) No one here says that you should trace. Copy by eyesight yes, but not trace. Occasionally there will be an absolute beginner who literally cannot draw anything and people will tell them to trace as a way to get started, but they're also told they should quickly move beyond tracing. Everyone understands that a practice routine of mainly tracing will get you nowhere.

2) Doing anime studies and using anime as a regular subject matter does not preclude drawing from imagination. If you want to do good original work then obviously you have to practice doing original work, and you also have to critically analyze your mistakes and take time out for deficated perspective/anatomy studies to fix those mistakes as needed. Doing only copies is how you become a Proko. This usually isn't said as explicitly as the "don't trace" point, but I would hope that people would be smart enough to figure it out anyway. It's also not the responsibility of /asg/ to spell everything out like this. It's anime study general, not "draw anime, and also here's a complete guide to learning how to draw."

3) Just because someone likes anime as a subject matter does not mean they rely on "tips" to draw. A person's study plan, work habits, etc, has nothing to do with their choice of anime as a subject matter. The two are completely orthogonal. Your comment about "tips" seems to indicate that you think that people who draw anime must necessarily avoid any kind of deeper learning, which obviously isn't true. There are plenty of people in /beg/ who have been grinding boxes and deformed Loomis heads for years with nothing to show for it, but that doesn't necessarily reflect poorly on their choice of subject matter.

I'm sorry that your progress has been slow, but it sounds like your frustration was due to your own mistakes. If you were literally tracing pictures and not critically analyzing your weaknesses, then that's on you, not anime.

[Anonymous No.4392022]

>>4391957
pyw or fuck off

[Anonymous No.4392097]

>>4392001
blog? also what kind of study routine do you recommend?

[Anonymous No.4392099]

>>4392097
>blog?
No fucking way that guy posted his own work in that post.

[Anonymous No.4392109]

>>4392099
Even if he did, the retarded /beg/s here will crab at him just to cope.

[Anonymous No.4392110]

>>4392099
i drank stupid fuck juice in the morning and didn't reverse search the image, the artist is @VLZ_3 on twitter

[Anonymous No.4392114]

>>4392109
Why are they retarded?

[Anonymous No.4392115]

>>4391833
I'm >>4390868
Mine is from imagination. I don't post copied studies.

Also >>4391085 is pretty damn good.

[Anonymous No.4392121]

>>4392114
They sperg out when given beneficial advice and use “muh style” excuse.

[Anonymous No.4392122]

>>4392121
What advice?

[Anonymous No.4392123]

>>4392121
>muh style
Not a single person in this thread has used those words.

[Anonymous No.4392127]

too western or nah? trying to get rid of revolting western attributes from my art

[Anonymous No.4392151]

>>4392122
Stop drawing anime and focus on the fundamentals, first.
>>4392123
I meant or

[Anonymous No.4392159]

>>4392151
>Stop drawing anime and focus on the fundamentals first
Ok, I won't ask you to pyw, I just want to have an honest conversation with you about this.
What do you mean by "focus on the fundamentals"? What does that look like? What sorts of things will someone be drawing while they are focusing on the fundamentals? Can you post any examples of that? (Not your work, someone else's work is fine).
What do you mean by "stop drawing anime"? Like, completely? Is that really necessary? Also, when can someone start drawing anime again? What sort of timeframe are we looking at and can you post any examples of what level someone's work should be at before they can start drawing anime again?
Why is it not possible to use anime to study your fundamentals? If you're learning perspective for example, why can't you do that by doing exercises like, placing anime figures in a room, putting anime heads in perspective, etc?

[Anonymous No.4392166]

>>4392127
thats asian as fuck

[Anonymous No.4392168]

>>4392159
Check @manga_materials on twitter.

[Anonymous No.4392181]

>>4392159
Same anon, even if you did ask me to post my work. I already have done that earlier in this thread.

[Anonymous No.4392183]

>>4392168
It's full of anime drawings. Doesn't look like "stop drawing anime to me".

[Anonymous No.4392187]

>>4392183
Yes, so full of anime drawings.

[Anonymous No.4392188]

>>4392183
Also, you’re missing the damn point. Focus on fundamentals and you can be able to draw anime or stylized properly.

[Anonymous No.4392199]

>>4392183
Fuckers like you are the reason why retarded /beg/ is a thing.

[Anonymous No.4392202]

>>4392187
>>4392188
>>4392199
Imagine thinking these things will help you draw anime. The only way to draw anime is to draw anime.

[Anonymous No.4392207]

>>4390466
>>4390562
Thanks grinding out the form now

[Anonymous No.4392221]

>>4392207
You're already showing improvement, anon. Keep up the good work!

>>4392159
Stop responding to the bait.

[Anonymous No.4392227]

>>4392207
good work anon, i see an improvement, keep the smart work!

[Anonymous No.4392228]

>>4392187
I mean, yes? It is.
"Study realism when necessary to understand principles and then apply them to anime" sounds like good advice to me. "Stop drawing anime" just sounds dumb.

[Anonymous No.4392241]

Why is this the only thread where people regularly attack its right to exist.

[Anonymous No.4392245]

>>4392159
You need to draw 10000 x boxes before you can anime. Only when you have mastered anatomy perspective and shading can you draw big tiddy anime girls.

[Anonymous No.4392251]

>>4392188
>Focus on fundamentals
Please explain what that means by answering the questions here >>4392159

[Anonymous No.4392254]

>>4392241
>he doesn't know the history behind /asg/
It's probably one of the newest generals.

[Anonymous No.4392255]

>>4392188
Also, shouldn't Proko be a perfect counterexample to this theory? He's spent his whole life grinding fundies, and whenever he tries to do anything that's not a portrait or figure drawing from photo reference it looks like shit.

[Anonymous No.4392257]

>>4392228
Maybe I should have worded it like that, but my point still stands. Besides, this is the least respected thread on this board, might as well try to change that.

[Anonymous No.4392260]

>>4392255
Proko probably only spent like half his life studying, the rest he spent doing youtube videos and he's really good at that as you can see. He's divided his gains, but people don't notice that being a youtuber is hard work too.

[Anonymous No.4392266]

>>4392260
The point stands, he has multiple years of grinding fundies under his belt. Why did that not translate to being able to do stylization well? Did he just not grind enough?

[Anonymous No.4392272]

>>4392266
Well clearly, he teaches because he wants to better understand his own material. Proko's issue may just be that he does more academic drawing than drawing for fun. I think he enjoys that type of achievement.

[Anonymous No.4392288]

I really liked prokos gesture lecture, i pretty much use that instead of construction lines now.

[Anonymous No.4392292]

>>4392288
But he goes from gesture to construction lines

[Anonymous No.4392405]

>>4392151
>Stop drawing anime and focus on the fundamentals, first.
That kind of sequential thinking creates artists who simply can't draw anime. As >>4392159 said, you can use anime to study your fundamentals. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can also study realism and anime simultaneously.

Pic related is from the foreword of that popular アニメ私塾 book by a guy in the Japanese anime industry, @animesijyuku on twitter. See the triangle?
>上手い絵の模写: 上手い人の絵の記号(絵のパターン)を手に入れる
>Copying good drawings: acquiring the symbols of skilled people's drawings (the patterns of the drawings)
>実物の線画化:実物を理解することで、上手い人の絵が理解できる
>Real life drawing: by understanding real life, we can understand skilled people's drawings
>創作活動全般: 落書きや作品制作
>General original creation: sketching, complete OC works etc

Quote from the foreword:
>こうして、学生時代は「自主制作アニメを作る」「上手い絵の模写」「実物の線画化」のトライアングルを繰り返すことで劇的に上達していき、絵を描き始めてからわずか3年でスタジオジブリの入社試験に合格することができました。
>In this way, I made extreme progress during my school years by repeating a triangle of doing my own original anime drawings, copies of good drawings, and life drawings, and only 3 years after picking up drawing I was able to pass Studio Ghibli's employment test.

He was 19 when he started drawing.

Pic related also shows drawings from before he started practising deliberate copying (above) as well as his original anime drawings from ~2 years after that (below).

Here's a link to a blog post where he raves about the efficacy of copying, you see those pages in his book too
http://animesijyuku.blogspot.com/2018/05/blog-post_73.html

It's mind blowing that some individuals here try to order people around while still admitting that they're trash, like >>4392001. Completely shameless.

[Anonymous No.4392487]

>>4392405
>>4392257

[Anonymous No.4392493]

Just study both you retards, there are no rules

[Anonymous No.4392499]

>>4392487
Your first step to making the thread more respectable would be shutting your whore mouth and disappearing forever. Goes for all you retards who parrot "don't copy"/"don't draw anime", fucking idiots

[Anonymous No.4392503]

>>4392499
Nah, it’s dumbasses like you that makes this general treated the way it is.

[Anonymous No.4392511]

>>4392493
>>4392487
lol look at everyone starting to backpedal now.

[Anonymous No.4392535]

>>4392245

[Anonymous No.4392758]

[Anonymous No.4392789]

>>4392758
Based anime pro anon

[Anonymous No.4392828]

>>4392127
damn this is the best art so far in this thread
love how the actual good stuff gets no replies lol
here i drew this

[Anonymous No.4392831]

>>4392127
btw, blog?

[Anonymous No.4393018]

>>4392828
>love how the actual good stuff gets no replies
heres your first reply

[Anonymous No.4393026]

>>4392828
Your artwork won’t get any replies unless you’re getting crabbed on, so i’ll help with that. Quit drawing anime, faggot.

[Anonymous No.4393045]

how to make this look more japanese?

[Anonymous No.4393052]

>>4393045
the characters are all completely flat, there is no line weight and the room is out of proportion

[Anonymous No.4393061]

>>4393045
make their eyes more slit-like

[Anonymous No.4393064]

>>4392202
Except they will.

You can't effectively stylise something if you don't first try to understand it. Unless you study your fundamentals everything you draw will come out looking like a toddler shit into a cup.

[Anonymous No.4393096]

>>4393064
>inb4 called a crab

[Anonymous No.4393131]

anyone know some good anime artists or just artists in general to follow on twitter?

[Anonymous No.4393132]

>>4391387

[Anonymous No.4393135]

>>4392202
You are big dumb

[Anonymous No.4393144]

>>4391418
Have you ever seen a nipple.

[Anonymous No.4393148]

>>4393131
follow one and twitter just starts recommending you a ton, also go through their feed and they retweet other artists too. Its a snowball effect, you'll see

[Anonymous No.4393150]

>>4392022
hehe i can tell them to post their work and when they do i can make fun of them and shut down their argument heheh!!!!

[Anonymous No.4393166]

I'm curious what the people who say you don't need to learn how to draw a realistic human body think an anime figure is? Alien? Dog? Because last time I checked, they're humans.

[Anonymous No.4393189]

>>4393148
i dont even know one to follow lol. i just made an account. name 2 or 3 of your favorites please? and then i'll try snowballing from there

[Anonymous No.4393190]

>>4391885
I'm not a beg
>>4393144
Shaddap

[Anonymous No.4393218]

>>4393189
https://twitter.com/infinote
https://twitter.com/aengdohwa
https://twitter.com/SunnyRayBeam430
https://twitter.com/ran9u
https://twitter.com/AmazimaMangetu
https://twitter.com/Yutaka004980
https://twitter.com/kantoku_5th
https://twitter.com/dikkosan
https://twitter.com/himuganeya

these were just the first ones on my feed just now

[Anonymous No.4393238]

i learn the most when i stop copying anime, so heres me not practicing w/ i preach and doing some krenz copies

[Anonymous No.4393240]

>>4393166
they're retards who are in denial of drawing fundamentals. they think "i'll just learn to draw anime, i don't need to do figure drawing because that's not anime". they're the deviantart tier artists whose work looks the same for 10 years and never gets much better.

learn fundies and learn to draw from life, understand life. then you can stylize. the quote earlier about a trifecta of making your own work, copying work you like, and drawing from life is a solid way to improve at everything.

[Anonymous No.4393250]

>>4393240
It's like beating a dead horse, don't know why we even bother trying but we seem to always get sucked in anyway and even go as far as spoonfeeding these retards but if the information you're trying to convey is not written in moonrunes they will spit it out and demand some alternative which is almost always some chink that essentially says the same exact thing you were trying to give.

Point in case, when someone found a hard copy of Loomis translated into japanese and a video of some literally who nip artist giving some insight from the same goddamn Loomis plate we parrot to these inbreds all of the sudden they started to circlejerk and were amazed at the foreshortening approach from successful drawing after years of trying to convey that same piece of information I've never felt so sick after witnessing the absolute idiocy from these helpless fucktards it's all so tiring.

[Anonymous No.4393252]

>>4393190
you are a beg

[Anonymous No.4393270]

>>4393250
yup, loomis heads or all the clearly bridgman inspired anatomy i see and remember the page the plate was from but nah, need to read this shitty monrunes chris hart tier "how to draw sexy ladies" because that has all the secrets of why i can't draw figures well. nevermind when the books do get posted you never see any pages posted from them or the begs talking about learning from it because it was too hard for them.

i've posted in the past with what could help or specifically pointed out how they referenced western resources. but now i just help the ones that seem like they have a good head on their shoulders to get better/fight the good fight.

[Anonymous No.4393276]

>>4393238
>coping
FOR THE LAST TIME YOU DONT LEARN FROM COPING ANYTHING THAS NOT LEARNING
YOU LEARN FROM STUDYING
THATS LEARNING
COPING DOES NEOT EWQUAL LEARNING
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[Anonymous No.4393299]

>>4393276
absolutely seething

[Anonymous No.4393302]

>>4393240
These retarded fuckers sperg out by telling you to pyw and calling you a crab. When you do pyw, they fucking shit on you anyway, even if you’re good.

[Anonymous No.4393304]

>>4393166
That's because they're retarded dumdums that have hatred towards anime because it insults their supposed masculinity, liking something cartoony as an adult
the only difference in anime anatomy are the eyes, hair, nose and head shape, every other part requires proper anatomy

[Anonymous No.4393320]

>>4393304
>the only difference in anime anatomy are the eyes, hair, nose and head shape, every other part requires proper anatomy
Does anybody have that graph that portrays an accurate representation of mount stupid?

[Anonymous No.4393323]

>>4393320
right here buddy

[Anonymous No.4393327]

>>4393323
Found it. This is you.

[Anonymous No.4393333]

>>4393327
>being this clueless
Sweet sweet irony

[Anonymous No.4393334]

>>4393333
You must also be suffering from the Proko effect.

[Anonymous No.4393340]

>>4393304
>the only difference in anime anatomy are the eyes, hair, nose and head shape, every other part requires proper anatomy
this is completely wrong, those especially. those things actually have strong foundations in the real anatomy but they're abstracted out. knowing the real anatomy informs how you can understand and make the symbols for drawing.

[Anonymous No.4393344]

>>4393340
>but they're abstracted out.
Fuck, you have no idea how happy it is to see someone else that understands the significance of that key word you just used there.

[Anonymous No.4393353]

>>4393323
Do you really unironically think that the person who drew the left doesn't have anatomical knowledge? He just magically knows how to draw anime bodies which are, to you, fundamentally different than real bodies?

[Anonymous No.4393368]

>>4393340
You have 0% clue what you're talking about. In "anime" art, the body is usually the most bounded in reality while the head is a complete stylization.
See >>4393323
There really isn't much out of this world about the bodies besides the simplified forms. On the other hand, the heads are just outright cartoons. (that still nevertheless follow loomis)

[Anonymous No.4393373]

>>4392758
How do I draw like this...?

[Anonymous No.4393377]

>>4393373
Fundies

[Anonymous No.4393379]

>>4393373
Follow hitokaku for a couple of months

[Anonymous No.4393380]

>>4393373
Actually be productive for like a month, i.e. don't draw anime

[Anonymous No.4393381]

>>4393373
anatomy

[Anonymous No.4393384]

>>4393373
life drawing

[Anonymous No.4393395]

>>4393368
>the body is usually the most bounded in reality while the head is a complete stylization.
Absolutely false, you will be required to idealize the figure in a manner where it will compliment the head that contains shape language only understood by those who deviate away from life and into the abstract that "implies" form rather than reveal it. In other words, in order to break the rules you must first know them ergo the knowledge of the underlying forms and how to convey these forms in space then and only then would you be able to convince the viewer into persuading that the stylized figure may exist in space; this same persuasion can be pushed even further with the gesture it's all about understanding how to convey simplified and abstract forms in a manner where someone would recognize it as such - an idealized figure complimenting all the forms found in life with proportions that put an emphasis on the dainty and elegance.

It's a real shame that this simple concept of the abstract goes way over your head and until you pull your head out from your ass you will continue to draw the uncanny and figures that just don't fit with the heavily stylized amawuu head hence the Proko effect thinking you may dive into a stylized figure just because you've heavily referenced and studied anatomy for years on end. It doesn't work that way.

[Anonymous No.4393396]

>>4393218
thanks man. why are they all in nip speak though? are there no english ones? lol

[Anonymous No.4393397]

>>4393238
Only good post in this thread, everyone else is just talking. Keep up the good work, anon.

[Anonymous No.4393409]

>>4393252
No, I'm not. Just because you suck doesn't mean I do. All of you can suck my dick.

[Anonymous No.4393411]

can this be considered "anime"?

[Anonymous No.4393420]

>>4392758
jump off a bridge

[Anonymous No.4393459]

are the facial features just not far enough apart vertically?

[Anonymous No.4393465]

>>4393409
Pyw then

[Anonymous No.4393567]

>>4393166
What does "being able to draw a realistic human figure" mean?

[Anonymous No.4393570]

>>4393240
The problem is when you say "learn from life then stylize" you imply that it's a sequential thing. The moonrune guide the Anon posted said you should do them all at the same time. That's a crucial difference.

[Anonymous No.4393643]

>>4393373
don’t end up seething on 4chan over dogmatic ideas about how to learn and honestly you’re halfway there
>>4393420
what’s the matter?

[Anonymous No.4393671]

>>4393643
Ok but really though, what was your study plan so we can get as good as you.

[Anonymous No.4393678]

>>4393671
You need to purchase the new Apple iPad Pro 12.9 first. Good lineart comes from devices with 0 parallax, and the iPad Pro is the ONLY one without this issue.

[Anonymous No.4393694]

>>4393678
Yeah sorry, I already have a device with no parallax, it's called paper.

[Anonymous No.4393758]

>>4393570
It kinda is though. Your aim is to distort reality so it only makes sense to actually learn reality first, its a walk before you can run kind of thing.

[Anonymous No.4393768]

>>4393643
dunning kruger

[Anonymous No.4393773]

>>4393671
>>4393377
>>4392188
>>4392168
:)

[Anonymous No.4393782]

>>4393758
I'll refer you to >>4392405 which seems to support my approach (holistically study everything at the same time) over yours, and also my questions in >>4392159 which no one has answered so far. I don't want to put words in your mouth, so i want to know exactly what you mean by "learn reality", and what level of skills and knowledge someone should be able to demonstrate before progressing from reality to stylization.

>>4393768
I gaurantee his work is better than yours.

[Anonymous No.4393809]

>>4393782
Are you fucking stupid or something
Hes not nearly as good as he thinks he is
His heavily referenced, uncolored, high beg at best artwork is not impressive

[Anonymous No.4393815]

>>4393809
I assumed it was done without reference, since that seemed to be the theme of the thread. Obviously if it was referenced then it's not much of an argument for anything.
I'm not saying he'd an art god or anything, but he has probably posted the best work in the thread.

[Anonymous No.4393819]

>>4393052
How do you not draw flat?

[Anonymous No.4393821]

>>4393819
By copying anime and 3d models. Those crabs that tell you about “fundies” are retarded.

[Anonymous No.4393837]

>copying

[Anonymous No.4393888]

>>4393819
Fundies
>>4393821
Shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.4393896]

>>4393888
What sorts of fundies studies, and how much, need to be added to the plan described here >>4392405

[Anonymous No.4393898]

>>4393782
I'm not the original anon you replied to. It just seems to me that learning the default before you learn the alteration makes both logical sense and is what is typically advocated by art teachers.

[Anonymous No.4393902]

>>4393898
I just flat out don't believe in a linear progression of learning one thing before another. It's never how I learned any of the non-art skills I know and I don't see why it would work for art. Maybe it's just my personality type. I like to dive in and try everything at once. If you don't learn like that then that's fine.

[Anonymous No.4393913]

>>4393902
>>4393902
Whatever stylization you choose still mimics both real life subject matter and the general laws of reality. I don't think that has anything to do with learning methods or linearity.
You could certainly argue what degree to reality has to be understood and incorporated in regards to any given drawing or style but certainly it's always some amount.
By learning things exclusively from source that has alterations made to it and can't be objectively verified like reality it seems to me like you're creating unnecessary pitfalls.

[Anonymous No.4393915]

>>4393694
based

[Anonymous No.4393926]

>>4393913
You're still just giving theory when I've asked multiple times for specifics.
Exactly how good do you have to be at realism before "moving on"? Do you have to be able to paint like Rembrandt from imagination? Do you just have to be good at sketching figures from reference? Something in between? How much can this be quantified?
Saying "learn realism before anime" without giving a criteria to measure whether someone has learned realism or not is meaningless. Consider that "learning realism" seems to be a continual lifelong task for most artists and I think you can see where the advice starts to break down.

[Anonymous No.4393929]

>>4393809
>referenced as a pejorative
/ic/ truly is where gains go to die

[Anonymous No.4393935]

>>4393926
That's certainly something that could be up for debate but I'd say being comfortable things like perspective, form, light and shadow are all safe bets and if we're talking about humanoid figures learning what the various parts and features of the body actually look like and what their structure is just seems sensible.
I think if you couldn't comfortable teach these things to a class of beginners then you likely don't have a proper understanding of them but that's just my metric.

[Anonymous No.4393936]

>>4393913
>By learning things exclusively from source that has alterations made to it and can't be objectively verified like reality it seems to me like you're creating unnecessary pitfalls.
Not him and sure, but that's not what the discussion is about. The reason we keep having this discussion is that people try to categorically forbid others from attempting stylization before mastering this elusive thing called "fundamentals". The answer lies somewhere in the middle as described in >>4392405 and that's why that post still goes unchallenged.

If you like fundies but want to learn anime, don't forget to study/copy anime too. If you like anime and also want to get good, don't forget to study perspective, anatomy and life. That's the obvious answer but this is /ic/ where everything is black & white.

[Anonymous No.4393945]

>>4393815
My art >>4391418 is the best in this thread you filthy fucking canid. Stop samefagging to try and make your art seem better.

[Anonymous No.4393951]

>>4393936
The answer does lie somewhere in the middle and while you can't strictly specify the exact amount of time or knowledge any given person would need to spend I think the potential harm is in having people not at least get their foot in the door with the baseline. I don't think "mastery" is required before stylizing but starting both at the exact same time seems like something that could lead to a lot of troubles down the line especially if somebody doesn't have personal guidance. I don't think any complete beginner would do themselfs a disfavor by spending a couple of weeks/months/few hundred hours-ish just going through everything from form and perspective to anatomy before they started anything else.

[Anonymous No.4393962]

>1/3rd of the thread is just tard arguing

[Anonymous No.4394008]

Damn, no wonder /beg/ is better than /asg/. So many retards in one place always trying to find shortcuts.

[Anonymous No.4394011]

>>4394008
Point to one post in the thread where someone is asking for or advocating "shortcuts".

[Anonymous No.4394025]

>>4394011
Every post saying you don't need to learn fundies

[Anonymous No.4394045]

>>4394025
If you know basic construction, you're good to go.
You can learn all of the other fundies simply by copying.

[Anonymous No.4394046]

>>4394025
"LEARN FUNDIES" DOESN'T FUCKING MEAN ANYTHING

[Anonymous No.4394050]

>>4394045
>>4394046
Stop responding to eternal /beg/s.
Let them grind their boxes and loomis heads for the rest of their life.

[Anonymous No.4394053]

>>4394050
Stop drawing anime

[Anonymous No.4394057]

>>4394050
Enjoy your shitty stiff anime drawings.

[Anonymous No.4394059]

>>4393643
Props to you for being the last posted drawing. We need more people like you.

[Anonymous No.4394062]

>>4394050
You say that, yet most of the anime artist here are worse than regular /beg/s.

[Anonymous No.4394063]

>>4394053
Silence, dog

[Anonymous No.4394067]

>>4394063
pyw, no-fundies kun

[Anonymous No.4394070]

>>4394062
Have you been to the /beg/ threads lately?
Maybe what you said used to be true at some point, but definitely not anymore.

[Anonymous No.4394075]

>>4394062
Wrong.
>>4394067
Literally any famous mangaka started with copying.

[Anonymous No.4394080]

>>4394062
Fundies are like sesame seeds in hamburger bun, it's inconsequential but autists obsess over them.

[Anonymous No.4394084]

>>4394080
Fundies are important, but you shouldn't isolate them and study them one at a time like most /beg/s do.
The easiest way to learn fundies is by simply copying and analysing the work of other, better artists.

[Anonymous No.4394086]

Who am i suppose to listen to in this thread theres like people saying 20 different ways how to go about shit

[Anonymous No.4394087]

>>4394084
this. most eastern artists get really good at copying stuff.
hence why eastern animation can be a lot more detailed and still look on model, because the animators know how to copy a character almost perfectly.
here in the west all of our animation has to be simple primitive shapes or else the animators don't know how to draw it on model.

[Anonymous No.4394088]

>>4393671
People will always dodge this question because 90% of this board don't have an answer to it and the ones that do won't answer because they want to be the special snowflake.

[Anonymous No.4394091]

>>4394057
If you actually had a repeatable, teachable method to avoid stiff drawings, then I'd be all ears.
But you don't.
And no gesture drawing is not that method.
/beg/s hit up the /beg/ thread with their beginner gesture drawings and they all look weird as fuck.
So what's the answer? Did they just not read the fundies book right? Are they just dumb?
No. It's just because they haven't practiced enough. There is no knowledge they're missing. Just mileage.
No one has any secret knowledge beyond "just practice". When /beg/s terrible Loomis heads and terrible gesture drawings and terrible whatever, they're just told to practice. That is the big lie of "learn fundies". There is really nothing beyond practicing.

[Anonymous No.4394093]

>>4394088
That guy I replied to is good though. Better than me anyway. Obviously he did something to get to that level. I understand why people don't feel compelled to share though.

[Anonymous No.4394094]

>>4393671
Just draw bro

[Anonymous No.4394096]

>>4394091
Stop coping and learn your fundies brainlet, the clock is ticking

[Anonymous No.4394097]

Daily reminder to not respond to obvious bait.

[Anonymous No.4394098]

>>4394097
Hourly reminder to stop drawing anime

[Anonymous No.4394100]

>>4394098
Hush, pup

[Anonymous No.4394104]

>>4394097
It's not bait though, these are all real opinions that people hold even if some specific individuals are only posting for the sake of trolling.

[Anonymous No.4394105]

>>4394100
>he can't even follow his own advice

[Anonymous No.4394106]

>/Asg/ in a nutshell.

[Anonymous No.4394110]

Hmm.
I wonder why eastern artists are so much better than western artists....
Really makes you think.
Oh well, back to grinding loomis heads and vilppu gestures!

[Anonymous No.4394111]

>>4393671
>>4394088
>>4394093
he literally just said you'll get further drawing rather than chasing some secret learning technique, and your first response is to ask him for a regimented schedule and progression of resources?

[Anonymous No.4394113]

>>4394110
kek fundiesfags eternally BTFO

[Anonymous No.4394116]

>>4392758
>>4393643
How does it feel to be the best artist in /asg/ by several orders of magnitude?

[Anonymous No.4394117]

>>4394106
one refpill away from being unstoppable desu

[Anonymous No.4394119]

>>4392758
woaw im impressed anon

[Anonymous No.4394121]

>>4394110
>eastern artists are so much better than western artists
???????????

[Anonymous No.4394122]

>>4394121
And finally we get to the heart of the matter right fucking here.
The people saying "stop drawing anime" probably don't even like anime.

[Anonymous No.4394124]

>>4392127
this is insane. Good job hunterchad

[Anonymous No.4394126]

>the person best at drawing anime itt says to learn fundies
hmmmmm

[Anonymous No.4394129]

>>4394126
His exact words were "don’t end up seething on 4chan over dogmatic ideas about how to learn and honestly you’re halfway there" and it was kind of ambiguous whether his first drawing was supporting fundiesfags or making fun of them. I don't know what other posts actually belong to him.

[Anonymous No.4394130]

>>4394126
Even if he did say "learn fundies" it wouldn't change the fact that that's a vague and meaningless phrase. I would want to hear how exactly he learned "fundies".

[Anonymous No.4394134]

>>4394126
He said "don't draw anime" which is wrong and he's also many years of hard studies away from the @animesijyuku guy quoted in >>4392405
This discussion isn't about whether you should learn fundies or not, it's whether or not you should ditch stylization before you've "mastered" fundies, which is an abstract and ridiculous notion.

[Anonymous No.4394135]

>>4394129
>>4394130
Retards, keep trying to find excuses to not do any fundies.

[Anonymous No.4394136]

>>4394130
What part of “don’t end up seething on 4chan over dogmatic ideas about how to learn and honestly you’re halfway there", don’t you get? NGMI.

[Anonymous No.4394137]

>>4394134
>>4394130
>>4394129
anime, stop drawing it

[Anonymous No.4394143]

Yes, you need fundies.
No, you don't have to grind boxes or loomis heads or gestures or whatever that one negro in the /beg/ thread told you.
There are many ways to learn fundies. Grinding stuff is a waste of time.
Just fucking draw.
Copy the shit out of the artists you like.
That's it. Anyone who tells you there's more to drawing than just mileage and copying is a gainsgoblin.
Yes, that includes that one guy posting in this thread who can only draw that same anime girl and nothing else.

[Anonymous No.4394145]

>>4394143
I miss grey sketch anon. He brought soul to these threads.

[Anonymous No.4394149]

>>4394145
Don't summon him

[Anonymous No.4394151]

>>4394143
whats a gainsgoblin?

[Anonymous No.4394152]

>>4394145
Oh god no he's so much worse than every single person in this thread right now.

[Anonymous No.4394154]

>>4394143
>”Yes you need fundies”
For someone who talks about fundies, how about you pyw?

[Anonymous No.4394158]

>>4394151
Someone giving you bad information to fuck with your gains.
There's a lot of ego involved with art and people always want to feel special, but you can't feel special if everyone is special so you give people bad information so they stay below you.
/ic/ is filled with gainsgoblins.

[Anonymous No.4394159]

>>4394149
>>4394152
I would take him anyway over this mess. Appear before us savior of grey.

[Anonymous No.4394163]

>>4394152
kek this
at least there's some exchange of ideas, arguments, improvements, but that fuckwit has been doing, posting, arguing the very same thing....for a fucking year.

[Anonymous No.4394165]

>>4394152
He’s better than miku fag though.

[Anonymous No.4394166]

Keep saying it

[Anonymous No.4394167]

>>4394165
I would even take mikufag over you faggots.

[Anonymous No.4394170]

>copying

[Anonymous No.4394175]

>>4394170
>avatarfagging
nigga you gay

[Anonymous No.4394179]

>>4394165
mikufag has finished works.

[Anonymous No.4394274]

>>4394110
Because nips are crazy or autistic they can focus on one thing for years out of nowhere.
They can just decide to start drawing or 3d modeling and will just pull through without any thought.

[Anonymous No.4394276]

>>4394274
Yeah. Couldn't have anything to do with their study methods.

[Anonymous No.4394278]

>>4394276
It doesn't. They don't have any huge secrets or anything, it's all in the culture and head. Not just drawing, no matter which job they will literally do nothing else for years until they are done, no distractions nothing.

[Anonymous No.4394354]

>>4394158
you give /ic/ too much credit if you think they're being subversive instead of sincere.

[Anonymous No.4394496]

>>4393411
Not at all

[Anonymous No.4394564]

>>4393411
If you are aiming to be a hentai artist, then yes, it looks like "salad's" art, there is also a loli artist (think its a woman) who draw more detailed bodies

[Anonymous No.4394609]

>>4393671
>>4394088
jumped off a bridge anon here. I’ve been drawing and posting my progress here for a while, especially while I was doing hitokaku. learn your fundies (proportion, perspective, anatomy), draw from life, copy anime, draw from imagination. I can tell you to learn perspective from Eric Olson like I did, but it’s literally all the same thing so just pick your favourite and do it. I made the most progress when I stopped posting here which is why I gave that advice earlier. Seeing people argue here about pointless bullshit is hilarious but ultimately quite sad
I used to post redlines and get advice from better artists here. but any time anyone gets any good, several mentally ill individuals (whose affliction I wouldn’t wish upon my worst enemies) show up with their envy and spite on full display. people don’t hide their learning methods (there’s nothing to hide, it’s very straight forward), but nobody with a sane mind would post here. I only do so because I’m especially retarded

[Anonymous No.4394806]

>>4392758
>draw with your shoulder

what if i draw with my weenior will i gmi

[Anonymous No.4395033]

>>4394609
Only reason I post here is because I'm clueless. And since I'm clueless I have an extremely hard time in knowing what to do.

[Anonymous No.4395137]

I'm a /beg/ how should I approach gesture wanting to draw manga/anime stuff eventually?

[Anonymous No.4395171]

>>4393411
Why does she have the body of a basedboy

[Anonymous No.4395177]

>>4395137
Learn about forms and perspective first

[Anonymous No.4395455]

How the fuck did this thread get so cancer. At least 10% of the posts should be your own art. Don't draw -> don't post.

[Anonymous No.4395638]

>>4395177
Fuck off, crab.

[Anonymous No.4395670]

>>4395638
pyw

[Anonymous No.4395758]

i need to watch more workflow videos
it gets way too hard to clean up the painting near the end

[Anonymous No.4396017]

I tried again. I've been scared to attempt hi-contrast because I don't want to ruin anything, but I'm starting to like it more and more.

[Anonymous No.4396201]

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