/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

[Anonymous No.4375430]

>no procreate brush or any other digital brush can compare to painter’s proko pencil as far as what it feels like to draw with a tapered conte
FUG

[Anonymous No.4375432]

>>4375430
The apple pencil on CSP simulates tilt really well. Even changes the texture. I think maybe there's a height map or something involved.

[Anonymous No.4375450]

>>4375430
Literally this dumb method is why the shading in all of Proko's drawings looks like garbage.
I mean just look at the shaded areas in that gif. It looks like TV static. Is that how you want your drawings to look?

[Anonymous No.4375479]

>>4375450
Tv static is realism

[Anonymous No.4375490]

>>4375450
The absolute state of this shithole

[Anonymous No.4375502]

>>4375450
Yeah it should look more like Steven universe

[Anonymous No.4375523]

>>4375430
is Contè much better than other brands? little shits are expensive and I'm reluctant to order through Amazon because they might arrive broken
>4375450
bait too obvious come on

[Anonymous No.4375577]

>>4375523
Don’t order them through amazon, order supplies from the uk Jackson art site.

[Anonymous No.4375586]

>>4375523
Not bait. I tried holding my pencil like that and shading with the side. I got poor results. Things go much better working only with the tip.

[Anonymous No.4375589]

>>4375586
pyw

[Anonymous No.4375597]

>>4375589
Sure. I've posted this on /ic/ a few times already since I haven't done any really detailed pencil studies in a while. Shaded with only the tip of the pencil. If you have better work that you did using the side of the pencil then please post it.

[Anonymous No.4375623]

>>4375586
My issue with this method is that it has been developed into THE standard by the Fixler/Watts/Proko lineage but really only works the way they show it when you use smooth newsprint (many sheets clipped together or in a pad).
It’s a very specific setup and newsprint yellows and ages like milk.

[Anonymous No.4375632]

>>4375623
Who is it even the standard for? Almost every animator or comic I've ever seen working has used the writing grip and the tip of the pencil. Digital artists obviously work with the tip of the stylus.

[Anonymous No.4375634]

>>4375597
Fwiw, The side of the black conte pencil thing comes from Fred Fixler who taught Watts, Orbik, Westermoe and others. It’s generally intended for large masses and reasonably quick drawings/sketches and only works great on smooth newsprint.
For detailed, high-finish, long poses, the Reilly people used better paper and would take the time to use the tip.
Vilppu and the NMA people use a similar method with pastel pencils. Maybe it’s a Cali thing.

[Anonymous No.4375639]

>>4375632
Their own standard. It’s like a lineage. If you learn(ed) from them, thats what you learn(ed).
My guess is because Fred Fixler, who was very influential in his day taught using the Reilly method which heavily emphasized tone and shadow shapes for achieving realism and compositional dynamism. The guys he taught did a lot of movie posters and commercial Illustrations and stuff like that - and you can see the method quite easily in their work.

[Anonymous No.4375642]

http://www.fredfixler.com/index.php/cave-22/

[Anonymous No.4375666]

>>4375632


It’s a tonal thing to help train your ability to paint, it takes much less time to render with than vine charcoal and rough paper (you don’t need to blend), provides both soft and crisp edges, trains your hand dexterity to be very extremely sensitive, uses smooth newsprint not just because it’s the best paper for the method but because it’s very cheap and fragile (fragile to train you to think before you act and ruin the paper, cheap materials because art materials are generally expensive) working in greyscale as to teach you your values(which is the most important part to learning color), and it’s very expressive pencil. In short it’s to teach you to paint while saving a ton of money.

[Happyboy No.4375673]

>>4375430
They r using pencil like a charcoal.

[Anonymous No.4375757]

>>4375673
what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Anonymous No.4375956]

>>4375757
lol don't be mean, he's specialboy

[Anonymous No.4376840]

What kind of name is fixler

[Anonymous No.4377137]

Design Pencil on CSP is nice.

[Anonymous No.4377713]

>proko pencil
the greatest digital brush ever made

[Anonymous No.4377823]

>>4376840
It’s like Winkler, only with ‘Fix’.

[Anonymous No.4377833]

>>4375430
painter's default 2b pencil does the same shit since like a decade ago
it's a fucking useless gimmick: digital allows you to do much better rendering using more appropriate workflows

[Anonymous No.4377845]

>>4377833
But it feels like traditional

[Anonymous No.4379010]

Meme brush

[Anonymous No.4380240]

I'm sincerely and utterly impressed that this board, meant for art, is not aware of what OP is talking about. Infinite Painter, you bunch of niggers, one of the apps that competes with Procreate on the iPad and basically dominates on Android. Hell, even fucking Jama Jurabev posted to artstation some pieces using the software, its brushengine is stellar and it's overall more solid in most aspects than the competition. I think it only loses to artstudio pro due to not really being a Photoshop replacement, in which artstudio excels at.

The proko pencil is just the default pencil in the app, which is simply the best at mimicking conté sticks digitally.

Since y'all don't seem to know about iPad apps, here's a list of a few to try out:
-CSP
-Procreate
-Infinite Painter
-Adobe Fresco
-Medibang
-Affinity
-Artstudio pro
-Craft pro
-Autodesk sketchbook
-Paintstorm
-Artrage

[Anonymous No.4380250]

>>4380240
>drawing on mobile
>>>/reddit/

[Anonymous No.4380288]

>>4380240
There is no reason whatsoever to not use anything else other than the Apple iPad Pro 12.9 with Procreate.
Everything else just pales.

[Anonymous No.4380343]

>>4380288
i'm kind of a boomer myself, but seriously: are pros using mobile apps now instead of desktop PCs, or is this another /ic/ meme?
i can't legit see no advantage

[Anonymous No.4380513]

>>4380288
I love my Apple® iPad™ Pro 12.9™ with Procreate®! Don't you, my fellow 4channers?
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This post is © Apple Inc.. Procreate is a property of Savage Interactive. All rights reserved.

[Anonymous No.4380692]

>>4375430
Everytime i try to sharpen a pencil like that it fucking snaps

[Anonymous No.4380730]

>>4380692
You're using shit pencils.

[Anonymous No.4380777]

Fixler was a vintage coomer artist

[Anonymous No.4380792]

>>4375430
> Calling it 'better art' because of how you use your medium
Art is not made by your pencil, your canvas or your software. Art is not even made by an artist. The viewer is the one who interpretes the work. So it's irrelevant if you use software or traditional media. The only important things are, how appealing your art looks (for the viewer!) and how the work touches the viewer in an emotional way. You as an artist can focus on technique like anatomy and good values or certain stylization. But that's not relevant for the viewer. He/She makes art. Not the artist. Especially not the kind of pen or brush the artist uses. There is good in shitty art in both: digital and traditional media.

[Anonymous No.4380805]

I can get something similar in CSP, or are you referring to the process that you create lines? I made this without tilt control (using veloc instead), because I think it's annoying when the pen button scrapes the tablet

[Anonymous No.4380810]

>>4380805
You should compare it to the infinite painter brush, not Proko's literal pencil

[Anonymous No.4380838]

>>4380810
I though OP was asking for a traditional comparison, sorry anon misread, anyway if it's a digital brush why don't you just rip the settings from the program, the parameters don't differ that much, Here's a similar one I found online for CSP, though I can't demonstrate it because no tilt orz

[Anonymous No.4380857]

>>4380838
They're completely different software so no, it doesn't work that way sadly.

[Anonymous No.4380870]

>>4380857
I think it's a you problem if you can't rip an image file and figure out the settings of an android program, (I would understand if it was apple but cmon dude) I just looked it up and all these tool parameters are readily available apparently. Completely do-able

[Anonymous No.4380875]

>>4380870
They have completely different brush engines, retard. You can make a similar brush but you can't make the same brush.

[Anonymous No.4380919]

>>4380875
I never said it was the same brush schizo tan

[January 31st No.4382062]

>>4377845
So does using the same pencil Proko does on the same smooth newsprint he recommends.

[Anonymous No.4382264]

>>4377845
digital shouldn't feel like traditional, or try to emulate it in any way
It's a complete different media with its own advantages and quirks

[Anonymous No.4383684]

Bruh my Samsung Note 8 can.

[Anonymous No.4384881]

>>4382264
Digital only stops looking soulless when it tries to emulate traditional. Normal digital looks sterile, like some kind of art version of a medical clean room

[Anonymous No.4384928]

What is it that makes the infinite painter brush engine feel so good?

[Anonymous No.4384934]

>>4375523
The ones I got from Amazon sharpened well. The ones from my local art store? Every 2-3cm was cracked so I couldn’t use them.

[Anonymous No.4384978]

>>4375430
You realize that scroto didn't come up with this shit right?

[Anonymous No.4385199]

Infinite painter = soul
Procreate = soulless

[Anonymous No.4386815]

muh proko brush

[Anonymous No.4386915]

>>4382264
That's a philosophical claim.

[Anonymous No.4387971]

>>4386915
nah, its completely pragmatical: digital is fucking GREAT at what it is, but it can only be an inferior copy when trying to be something else
maybe someday the emulation will surpass the real thing, working at the level of particles, chemical reactions, photons, and shit, but that itself would be a nonsensical goal

[Anonymous No.4388029]

>>4380870
>>4380838
>>4380919
is your retardation diaognised or do you just do a really good impression

[Anonymous No.4389128]

>>4387971
What does good digital art look like to you?

[Anonymous No.4389132]

>>4375430
You can download "perfect pencil" on CSP and it's basically like a real pencil.

[Anonymous No.4389211]

>>4389128
in wildly varied ways, since digital is infinitely malleable, but certainly not like a cheap knockoff of physical media limitations

[Anonymous No.4389226]

>>4389211
Post some work to back up your claim