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Clip Studio Paint is 50% off for black Friday, and I'd like to get it. However, I just read that the Japanese version has more functionality. What's the difference between the Japanese and the English versions? If I understand correctly, they come with asset stores, are those any different?

>> No.4229896

You might be reading old info, since the english version used to be called manga studio and published by a third party, but has since been published by the actual company and called csp.
Don’t take my word for it though.
Also, you can just go to the jap materials marketplace online.

>> No.4229898

>>4229896
I know, but there are still some differences between CSP as well. The only specific difference I was able to gather is that the Japanese version allows you to add sound to animations (in the EX version), while the English version doesn't.

>> No.4229905

The only difference between the two is the language. You can download assets from either store, they use different premium currencies though. Otherwise, it doesn't matter.

>> No.4229922

>>4229898
You can do that in the English version now.
The Japanese version used to be ahead in animation features but the English version has caught up since the last year's major update.

>> No.4229953

>>4229905
>>4229922
Neat, thank you guys. I also heard that the Japanese version is a release it to ahead, but I'll probably just but pro with the discount and use ex that I just pirated.

>> No.4229958

>>4229893
japanase version comes with a sepukku minigame easter egg.

>> No.4229964
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4229964

I've been waiting months for this sale

Will be moving on from sai. It seems fucking confusing compared to sai but it clearly has infinitely more tools

>> No.4229965

>>4229958
Really? Based, where can I pirate the Japanese version?

>> No.4229969

Is this shit still a single-core thing that doesn't use the GPU either?

>> No.4229993

>>4229893
>I just read that the Japanese version has more functionality.
No, it's the same software, what happened is that CSP updates used to be released firstly in Japan and after some time in the rest of the world, but it isn't the case anymore, we all have the same version now.

It's different with Clip Studio Modeler. Japan version is a proper 3d software, while the eng one is just a tool for importing in CSP already existing 3d models. Nothing to worry about though.

>> No.4230002

The japanese version comes with a library of VERY realistic 3d lolis and a special cunny smudge tool for rendering perfect skin :)

>> No.4230059

How do I change the zoom to up & down instead of left & right? I'm used to that from using blender and krita.

>> No.4230083
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4230083

>>4229893
Better sell

>> No.4230091

>>4230083

All you need is photoshop unless you make videos on the side.

>> No.4230108

>>4229893
Have they finally added a liquify tool?

>> No.4230109

>>4229964
I wasn't really convinced at first about CSP and I wanted to stay on Sai. But after a few days, I got used to it and now it's my main software for drawing. It's a great one. Do not hesitate about setting your own shortcuts if you feel lost. That helped me a lot.
Also if you can, watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcNBUQ22AVM
Some really cool features are presented!

>> No.4230118

>>4230109
Good to hear then. I'll still a noob learning but I'm starting to see what sai lacks. Of course you can still make fantastic art if you got the raw skill for it, I'm just looking for more technical features to take advantage of digital

>> No.4230137

>>4230118
Never stop experimenting then. Try as many softwares as you can, and pick the one you like the most! If you don't want to use cracks, maybe you can give Krita a shot too (if you haven't already). It's free and many people like it. I still prefer CSP, but it never hurts to see what's going on elsewhere. You can also use multiple programs depending on what you want to do.

>> No.4230202
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4230202

Wish it had a color wheel like Krita

>> No.4230220

>>4230083
>Giving Adobe any money

>> No.4230222

>>4230083
Fuck off adobe shill.

>> No.4230304

>>4229969
Yeah, sadly. Slows down to a crawl when using anything more complex than hard round brush at large sizes.

>>4230083
>subscription model

>> No.4230308

>>4230083
I'm perfectly content with my copy of Photoshop 7 I pirated back in 2004.

>> No.4230332

Is the animation very good on the EX version?

>> No.4230348
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4230348

CELCYS NO

>> No.4230354

What's the difference between the PRO and the EX versions?

>> No.4230477

>>4230354
There are some functions that are missing from pro and it feels kinda bullshit, for instance I know it cannot convert photos into line art or halftone, which would be a really handy feature for manga.

>> No.4230497

>>4230348
she's creating you fag

>> No.4230499

>>4230497
>she

>> No.4230501

>>4230499
yes.

>> No.4230508

>>4230497
Nice try reclaiming "fag", dilater.

>> No.4230537

>>4230348
What is she creating, anons?

>> No.4230545

>>4230537
A version of "God she looks just like me".

>> No.4230619

As someone who has been using Krita for a while is it worth getting?

>> No.4230721

>>4230619
Yes

>> No.4230934

>>4230477
You can turn photos into screentone on the pro version. The edge detect/line art isn't really useful. You could do the same shit in GIMP/Krita, it's just an edge detect filter.

The bullshit part is the only 24 frames of animation unless you buy EX.

>> No.4230939

>>4230083
>subscription software
fuck off adobefag

>> No.4230988

Poorfag here, is this the lowest price CSP gets or does it get lower around Christmas? I remember someone saying it can go as low as 15 bucks.

>> No.4230995
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4230995

New interface soon. https://www.clipstudio.net/en/dl/release_note

>> No.4230996

>>4230083
>Not owning the software forever
lol

>> No.4231009
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4231009

What are some good brushes? Just bought today

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>>4230202
It has the exact same color wheel, just mirrored.

>> No.4231014

>>4230988
no, $25 is what they limit it to now. that might have been old sales with smith micro distributing it and people keep repeating that like fact that still happens

>>4231009
the defaults are great. play with those a while and learn how to make your own brushes/edit the features. some of the features are a bit different than other programs. bind a key to turn on and off color mixing because it might give you unexpected results with color brushes that mix the ground color.

search clip assets, the jp and en sites tend to have slightly different top daily picks but mostly similar overall. it's really easy to get too buried in downloading brushes that don't work how you like at all, so really hold off on hoarding speaking from experience. some of the official clip brushes are good and great bases for other brushes, like the flat and oil pastel.
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/
https://assets.clip-studio.com/ja-jp/

https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/search?pay=free&user=ClipStudioOfficial&order=new

>> No.4231015

>>4231011
Krita's triangle rotates to point to the selected hue on the wheel, and besides it's in the program's radial menu replacement.

>> No.4231017

>>4231015
Krita is also laggy garbage. Probably also because of all the unnecessary features you just mentioned.

>> No.4231020

>>4230995
I'm a bit worried for the future of Clip. They keep releasing useless updates like this that focus a lot on cloudshit functionality and dumb meme featuress like "artistic" filters instead of adressing core functionality issues like brush management (still can't save sets) and performance. Mixer brushes, double brushes, etc.

>> No.4231030

>>4231020
I want basic shit like text following a path

>> No.4231040

What's the feature difference between standad and ex?

>> No.4231118

>>4229964
It's really not confusing it's like photoshop almost. There's no reason to "move on" from any good software sai works fine.

>> No.4231119

>>4230083
>and XD.
what did they mean by this

>> No.4231121

>>4231020
Everyone that needs it already has photoshop sai and csp. They don't have to do anything.

>> No.4231125

>>4231015
I've used krita for like a year now and I've never pressed right click to change colors

>> No.4231311

>>4231121
>i can save brush sets in other software therefore i dont need it in clip studio

>> No.4231332

>>4231020
I'm with you on this.
The problem is that the main market for CSP is still Japan, hence CSP is still heavily manga oriented and for that style they don't need complex brushes.

>> No.4231360

>>4231332
I guess, but it's very much marketed as a digital _painting_ software.

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4231747

I'm family now :3

>> No.4232163

Bought this shit but I'm having issues with the hotkeys specifically for my xp pen buttons
>undo is set as ctrl z
>go to drivers setting and assign key as ctrl z
>register csp in the driver
>assigned key continues to act as "B" in csp
What the fuck

>> No.4232361

>>4231311
well yeah. thats the point.
not sure the purpose of your reply and greentext

>> No.4232410

i think you can only get plugins on the japanese vers, but the plugins are kind of shit anyway

>> No.4232464

>>4230995
>UI change
wtf usually the japs are autistically devoted to UI, fucking japanese yahoo has looked the same for decades.
where do you go for info on upcoming updates?

>>4230202
>>4231011
>>4231017
Krita has color gamut masking built in while CSP does not.
https://docs.krita.org/en/user_manual/gamut_masks.html

>>4231040
https://www.clipstudio.net/en/functional_list
Pro limits animation to 24 frames total, EX also is built more for working on and exporting multipage comics in various formats.

>> No.4232528

>>4232464
>Krita has color gamut masking built in while CSP does not.
I was looking forward to that update but when I tried it, it was incredibly clunky even for how I expect free software to work. I can't see regular people trying to get used to it, doesn't feel built for artists at all, and the masking was really unintuitive. It's easier to generate an angle rainbow gradient and process that, then mask that off than to use Krita tools. It's a good first step though. I hope they can revive that Munsell-like color mixing effort in some way that was a GSoC project.

I really like this, I've recreated some of my watercolor palettes and find it more flexible to mess with. Will try to make something similar in CSP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oQm66uG7TM&t=12m30s

>> No.4232557

>>4231118
Eh, all the artists I follow moved to CSP from Sai which is more than enough reason for me. Sai is a fantastic little piece of software for what it is, but it's just too lacking in features.

>> No.4232570

>>4232361
Are you retarded? You can switch to PS for liquify and other tools clip lacks but you can't compensate with another software for the lack of being able to save brush sets in clip.

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4232578

Got the program yesterday
Damn there are a lot of options. My first work in it turned out worse than my usual sai stuff. Feels bad

>> No.4232763

Which one is better for comic work? I know they say EX but are the additional features really useful in a real world setting?

>> No.4232768

>>4232763
If like to know the same. It is obvious that ex is better, but how much better is it?

>> No.4232770

>>4232763
>>4232768
Buy the base model, if you think you're missing the features enough then upgrade the next time there's a sale.The Pro version has the majority of tools you'll use. The only thing you're missing for comics would be the project management aspect and the shortcut of edge detection. The edge detection is easy to do in any other photo manipulation program though and doesn't even have good results. You can screen tone in the base version.

>> No.4232938

>>4230348
Oh my god what's wrong with that person's teeth

>> No.4232961
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4232961

>>4232763
>>4232768
Here is all you need to know

>> No.4233000

>>4232938
>person
it's okay to say "dude"

>> No.4233012

>>4232763
Yes, the multipage management is really useful.

>> No.4233066

So what's the purpose of CSP EX?

>> No.4233104

>>4233066
making and exporting multi page comics

>> No.4233205

>>4232464
>where do you go for info on upcoming updates?
When I run "Clip Studio Paint" a popup will offer to open "Clip Studio" with the news articles whenever there is an update coming. You might have turned it off.

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>hotkeys on tablet randomly decide to stop working in csp
Anyone know what the fuck is up with this. That and pressure sensitivity stops working, but thats usually easier to fix. Using an xp pen 15.6 pro. I know it's chink shit but I'm sure i wouldve heard more complaints
I got csp 2 days ago so maybe some settings are colliding?

>> No.4233820

>>4230995
You can just not download the update

>> No.4233853

Newgrounds fag here,can any animators here comment on the 'animation side' of CS?

>> No.4233859

>>4233804
Anime source?

>> No.4233868

>>4233853
-You need to buy the more expensive $200 version or you will be limited to only 24 frames total.
-Some jap studios are starting to use it as CSP is replacing some of the pipeline done by older software made by the same company.
-I strongly advise you to read the user manual as you might be confused with how their cels and timeline works. Here is some official tuts https://tips.clip-studio.com/en-us/articles/1262 and here is a webinar hosted by CSP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aTV0cCkFQ0

I barely touched animation in CSP because Id rather try to learn Grease Pencil in Blender.

>>4233859
Hataage! Kemono Michi
Pro wrestler summoned to another world to defeat demons, beasts and a demon lord but nopes out because he loves animals and decides to open a pet shop instead. (Warning there is some fur faggotry in this show.)

>> No.4233877

>>4232763
after using the multipage option I could never go back. It's just makes everything so much easier.

>> No.4233898

>>4233868
I fucking hope CSP will one day become a full-fledged animation software. I dread the thought of having to rebuild my workflow in toonboom, flash or other shit.

>> No.4233915

>>4233898
I dread the thought of a single-core, non-gpu-using software being used to make animation.

>> No.4233934

>>4233915
Resource utilization issues can be easily fixed later, look at zbrush.

But foundational workflow structure is pretty much impossible to change, and I absolutely hate what toon boom, flash, etc. has to offer in that regards.

>> No.4233941

Did they ever mention plans for a Linux version? CSP is all that keeps me tied to Windows

>> No.4233943 [DELETED] 

>>4233853
I know for sure that it's way easier to pick up than dedicated software. For a beginner it's great, dunno about more advanced or professional use.

>> No.4233964

Why doesn't it let me download the trial?

>> No.4233974

>>4233941
Is it really that much better than krita?

>> No.4233990

>>4233941
lol who wants to waste time on the snowflake 1%?
Made worse since

>> No.4233993

>>4233941
Dude just put a partition on your drive and use Linux. Only start up windows to go into painting mode.

>> No.4234016

>>4233993
>Only start up windows to go into painting mode.
That's literally the only reason why I boot my computer in the first place. I only use it for scanning stuff and drawing. It makes no sense to have a Linux partition and switch to it when I want to shit post on 4chan

>> No.4234032

>>4230995
Just bought the program. Unironically excited about the UI update.

I think longtime users of any software will have a different perspective since they'll have long-standing pain points that they wish to be addressed.

>> No.4234034

>>4230995
oh NO
NONONONONONO
please don't rape my UI it was perfectly fine

>> No.4234035

>>4234016
Aw fuck then you're stuck with it. Nobody wants to develop for Linux ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>> No.4234036

>>4233941
pyw

>> No.4234137

>>4229898
That's not a difference between the japanese and english versions but rather a difference between PRO and EX, both of which are available in both languages.

>> No.4234140

>>4230995
ew it was perfectly fine the way it was

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>>4229893
>still no liquify

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4234182

>>4234165
>Using liquify
NGMI if you absolutely need that tool, Pai-sen! Bye-byeee~

>> No.4234325

>>4230995
The new UI looks a lot like the Krita interface

>> No.4234332

>>4233974
Krita doesn't even work for me, it lags like mad and gives me issues with the tablet, I remember the scroll wheel not functioning.

>> No.4234336

calm down niggers it's just new scalable icons not a new UI

>> No.4234338

>>4234336
well i'm fine with it either way

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4234568

>>4229893
Did anyone buy this?

-Not adobe employee

>> No.4234570

>>4234568
4channers, I forgot image but you can guys can also get a great deal on creative cloud
>>4230083

>> No.4235907
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4235907

So I got the EX version. I just booted it up and the cursor lags and stutters. Anybody else got this problem? The most common solution (Wintab) does nothing. Apparently this lag shit is common issue with CSP that just comes and goes?

>> No.4235918

>>4235907
OSX?

>> No.4235936

>>4235918
Nope, Windows 10

>> No.4235970

>>4235907
>>4235936

1. Restart PC.
2. Boot CSP again and try it.
3. If still not working, unplug and plug tablet.
4. Restart CSP.
5. If still not working, check tablet settings.
6. Restart CSP.
7. If still not working, reinstall program.
8. Restart CSP.
9. If still not working, kill self.

Hope this helps.

>> No.4235984

>>4235907
How much ram do you have?

>> No.4235996

>>4235907
Csp is broken shit, you just got memed by the paid shills

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>>4235970
>>4235996
Thanks guys

>> No.4236016

>>4235907
ugh...
what is your pc specs?
because it is always the same 2 problems anons have.
#1 using a busted ass 10year old laptop with poor single-core performance.
#2 using a resolution of 10k x 10k because "it makes it crisper when downscaled!" despite most jap users pumping out much better work at smaller rez.

>> No.4236038

>>4236016
>despite most jap users pumping out much better work at smaller rez
whats their secret
must be genetic

>> No.4236073

>>4236016
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4690K CPU @ 3.50GHz
Video Card:NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960
Video Card #2: Intel(R) HD Graphics 4600
RAM: 8.0 GB

Photoshop runs without any issues, and resolution wasn't high.

>> No.4236108

>>4236073
Processor - hmmm... you have solid single core performance but only 4 cores with no hyper threading might be holding you back if other background tasks or apps are working.
Try checking resource monitor with CSP closed to see if any other app is taking all the resources.
Video card - does not matter as CSP does not really use it.
RAM - if it is a slower ddr3 or is full then you might have issues there too. again check resource monitor with CSP closed.

>> No.4236169

>>4236108
thanks my dude, I'll try that

>> No.4236451

>>4233853
It's the best animation workflow you'll find in a program that isn't animation focused. Because it's already a powerful art program, you could theoretically create some absolutely stellar animation. On the other hand, Harmony and TV Paint leave it in the dust in terms of actual animation production and workflow

>> No.4238550

Is there a chance that I would get into any trouble if I used pirated CSP for making comics and got them published commercially?

>> No.4238556

>>4238550
Read about EXIF and how to wipe it clean.

>> No.4238561

>>4238556
I know how to clear out exif, but other than that, will anybody ever require me to show them that I have purchased the software, I'm thinking publishers or some Big Brother of Euristan?

>> No.4238634

>>4238561
Only atheists pirate.

>> No.4238638

Fuck i wish i wasn't broke
I hope it'll be on sale next year, as well, so that i can purchase it and stop being a fucking pirate

>> No.4238709

>>4238634
I'm an atheist, so everything checks out. I didn't know this was the explanation for why Americans are such cucks.

>> No.4239848

>>4230108
no, only bad thing about it

>> No.4241990

>>4234182
>using a computer

>> No.4242051

>>4239848
And the fact that it's still single-threaded and doesn't use the gpu.

>> No.4242098

why is there not pirated mac version?
last version was from 2 years ago

>> No.4242103

>>4233868
>Hataage! Kemono Michi
Thanks

>> No.4242766

>>4230995
So how much was the UI changed? I don't think I see any differences at first glance

>> No.4245473

>>4242098
If you're retarded enough to buy a Mac, you are usually retarded enough to buy software.

>> No.4245578

>>4238634
The Founding Fathers of America were Christian and they always bought bootlegged shit and pirated shit all the time. It's all about capitalism baby and getting the best deal, especially at the low low price of free