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Vent thread, vent about anything art related and get it off your chest. Remember you are not alone in this struggle.

>> No.4154372

It feels like when I’m not alone that it’s insignificant because there’s tons of people who feel the same way, but when I am alone that it’s still insignificant because it’s just me.

>> No.4154376
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found this while looking through "trash can" art folder and I'm kind of surprised/disappointed at how not-bad it is. Drew this when I was 15.

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>> No.4154402
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Old diabetic pump company went bankrupt so I had to switch, but the switch has been messy. When ever I try to give a +.50 dose the pump will random screech "BLOCKAGE DETECTED". I also have to re sync the little thing every few hours till it 100% syncs up. I made the stupid decision on putting the needle patch on my arm to drawing now feels weird to draw. Fuuck. I might actually have to switch to my old pump cause my new one feels so awkward to use and it'll be a mess at work. Also before any one calls me a fatty I have type 1

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>> No.4154420

i want to take a break but i have a lot of work to finish

>> No.4154424

No rules anon, just tools.

>> No.4154435
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I love you guys so much, but I'm sure we could never be friends.
It'd just be awkward!!

>> No.4154469
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So basically I'm fucking cursed with having this whacky-ass obscure fetish, but apparently I'm not as fucked up as a majority of that fetish's 'community' (so I might not get as many commissions if I speak out against the more vile shit).

A lot of the artists there are hardcore sadists who unironically creep me the fuck out (and I normally love horror shit, just not the sexualized, glorified kind).
I fucking hate how whenever anyone tells them that their content is too extreme, or that someone likes to imagine a scenario where the 'victim' enjoys it/doesn't get hurt, they sperg out and push their hypersadistic shit even further (or start bitching about people being "rude" or "kinkshamers").
And I'm talking some seriously fucked up Ted Bundy-tier snuff/rape, like shit where there's a lot of focus on the 'victim' being innocent/undeserving and suffering badly through it. And it's seen as 'good' because the murderer 'loved' them and wants to be with them forever (fucking Christ).

I feel like such a fucking pussy for letting these freaks' murder fantasies get to me so badly, but it's nearly impossible to avoid them in my fetish's art community. Am I retarded in thinking that it's not unreasonable to want this serial killer shit better quarantined? Am I really the true degenerate faggot here?

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>> No.4154481

I feel like I'm not studying correctly sometimes, anyway to fix this?

>> No.4154507

Run away man. Either go all in or get out. No one's cursed with a fetish, just focus on changing yourself, one habit at a time.

>> No.4154513

there is no way i can meet other artists where i live
how do i cope with this loneliness

>> No.4154532

I had an art friend irl once but I ghosted them because I started getting depressed and didn't want to keep making an ass of myself. sometimes I wish I had only ever been alone

>> No.4154542

i'm so curious about this, what's the fetish, anon?

>> No.4154562

I'm really sad that I didn't take art seriously earlier. I used to doodle a lot as a kid and in high school, and I only started studying earlier this year. I turned 20 a month ago and I feel like I missed out.

>> No.4154615

At least you not like me, starting at 26 just turned 27.

>> No.4154629

At least you're not 30.....

>> No.4154632

just wanted to draw hot bara guys. but too retard to even progress at this point and I do it so painfully slow. I wish I was rich so I could go to artschool and didnt have adhd. what do I need to study anons?

>> No.4154643
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Sometimes i ask myself if this whole art thing will be just "a phase" in the future, if the time that i have invested will really be worth.

Or if maybe, i will look at it wishing that i didn't dedicate so much time into it and focused into x or y thing instead, like how i feel now with art, ironically.

Who knows, you can only continue on the track i guess.

>> No.4154776

I also cant stand that kind of art, but I dont have a fetish to bring me towards it, so I can just look away when I see it

I second this >>4154507, and if you dont want that, create your own community with your fetish while excluding what you dont like. it will be most likely a smaller community (just one person even) but you gotta make compromises

also I am curious, so I second this too >>4154542

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as somebody who regretted trying to learn everything in school because I did not know what to focus on, and spreading too thin, and giving up on drawing for it while I was a school, all I can say is

whatever you do, you will regret doing it, not if you manage to achieve it or not, not if you dedicated relatively too much time, but if you know you did not give your 100%

>> No.4154791


idk why I said I regretted

>> No.4154803

>he didn't give his 100%
The only regret is being born terrible even after giving your all.

>> No.4154811

Mainly muscles by reading anatomy books and proko videos. Next is move on to studying bara artists on how they do stylized bodies, then move on to doing appealing faces

>> No.4154818

Holy shit do I not want to talk with others just to get better numbers. There’s no reason that people worse than I am whilst having a shit output rate should be at 300 followers while I’m at 35.

>> No.4154901

I constantly switch between "too long torso" and "too short torso" when I draw characters. stylized characters, real life models, from photos, from imagination, it doesn't matter. I always make the torso too long, except if I make a conscious effort not too in which case it always become too short.

It's infuriating.

>> No.4154930

pyw - I love long torsos and long legs

>> No.4154995

Spend some days exclusively studying torsos, anon.

>> No.4154997

but that's the thing, I did, and the torso themselves are fine (not saying "good" because I'm still on the beg side of things, but objectively fine). It's just that they are too long in relation to the rest of the body.
The only way I found to counter that is to do some very heavy construction, which always ends up in super stiff and boring figures.

>> No.4155026

Thanks anon

>> No.4155147

When a piece is popular, I attribute it to luck. When a piece is unpopular, I attribute it to lack of skill. I can't break away from this mindset and it's starting to get in the way of my process. Where the fuck did my self esteem go?

>> No.4155164

Just carefully measure and compare distances between feet to crotch (for standing figure, for sitting length of thigh)and crotch to jugular notch and stay true to measurements. For particular tendencies like this you just have measure correctly and don't let your perception trick you into changing proportions suddenly without measuring. I personally think it gets curbed with experience, perception problems may appear when you change work size, especially to big canvases, so avoid getting used to one particular size of drawing.

>> No.4155297

I have issues with foreshortening and viewpoints. My stuff simply isn't dynamic enough and it just keeps frustrating me. I can't bring myself to finish anything because of this, since my non-dynamic figures feel worthless and my "dynamic" just look like shit. I know I have to draw from reference more in order to learn doing it from imagination, but I feel like I'm progressing very slowly, compared to when I was learning pretty much anything else. Hogarth seems to have what I want, so I hope I'll get better when I finish reading his book.

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>he thinks he can learn to draw following this chinks course


>> No.4155416

>that cringe tattoo

>> No.4155437

Thanks for the advice, anon.
I'm pretty sure that this issue will get solved with time and practice, it was just particularly irritating lately, and this is the /vent/ thread so...

But thanks for the advice anyway, I'll do my best to follow it!

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Yall know how artists go through a cycle of loving the hating their art? I'm starting to go back to hating my art and I am really am not up for this

>> No.4155502

It just passes as time goes on anyways. Think not if the individual days, but of weeks and months.

>> No.4155506

Yes I'm thinking of the months I'll have to put up with this

>> No.4155508

>tfw burned out after getting my second pubication
Bummer desu, just grinding is dull
I did the same, doodled ngmi weebshit until 27 turned 28 a few days ago, it's not too late lads, it only takes around a year to get a real grip on fudimentals.

>> No.4155509

I want a bigger following so that I have at least somewhat of an audience when I launch my webcomic. I don't like socializing (over the internet) with random people and artists and I absolutely hate Twitter.

>> No.4155511

Idk, it happens to me in waves of 2-3 days. 3 days I'll love my art, then 3 days will be hating it, then the next 3 will be objectively analyzing its flaws but acknowledging the good points.

Then the cycle repeats.

>> No.4155561

I'm in a pretty good animation school but I keep putting off assignments until the last second and doing the bare minimum. I haven't done any personal work or drawing practice while most other people are doing inktober and have active instagrams and commissions.
Pretty much guaranteed to NGMI even if I graduate if I don't get my shit together, put extra effort into assignments and practice on my own to become employable.
Why is it so hard to just draw?

>> No.4155566

What do you usually do with your time?

>> No.4155576
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I am starting to like my art but it takes so many hours to complete, it's just embarrassing. Something like pic related (not mine) would take me like 20 hours when it should be like 4 max. I know it will get quicker with time but I'm impatient.

>> No.4155579

I spend 10% of it doing assignments and 90% looking at art related youtube, animated films, instructional art videos like watts/villpu, reading books on learning art like the art spirit or the art of learning. I take notes when I'm doing this and it sometimes turns into drawing but not very often.
I'm basically the definition of "The supreme misfortune is when theory outstrips performance" quote from the natural way to draw (by way of the draftsmen podcast).

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>draw in muh style
>realize it looks like shit
>study anatomy to get good
>figures become stiff and overdefined
>stylize for appeal/when i get complacent
>repeat till death
so this is the power of ngmi

>> No.4155675

Fuck that fucking drawing in the ass I'm struggling 4 years and 0 legit progress, I'm starting to think I have some kind of neurological problem.

>> No.4155774

Usually it means you're ignoring anatomical elements. For instance the space between the boob and the collarbone is pretty variable. The length of the ribcage, the shape of the pelvis and the distance between the two add well. If you pay attention to all of the anatomical elements while practicing you can't keep doing it wrong.

>> No.4155865

I forgot how fun drawing was for 3 years after hating it during art school. Mostly my fault I hated it since I was a lazy pothead procrastinating piece of shit. That feeling stuck with me until I started going through the Hampton book in the sticky today and remembered this shit is supposed to be enjoyable and crunch time for finals is far from what is normal. Regressed alot and might as well be a newbie so I'll be hanging out in beg for a while.

>> No.4155869

Once a month I'll spend more time focused on looking at local escorts than what I'm supposed to be studying for the day. I'll meet up with one a day or two later and I'll start improving more after that. I learned that I don't need to pay their asking price, especially since the last one rushed everything for 200 bucks.

>> No.4155958

>working on something
>"hey that's pretty good"
>check back an hour later
>it looks awkward as shit
>nothing I do will fix it
>getting frustrated because I want it to look good and I'm going to be dissatisfied walking away from something I did a bad job on

>> No.4155960

That sounds heavenly. Although I’m not sure how good they are for reference depending on their worn out bodies.

>> No.4155965

Have you tried this exercise and reading Alla Prima by Richard Schmid? Go slow and deliberately, so that you can make the right stroke the first time.


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>> No.4155969

>tfw ywn be this good

>> No.4155970

“Marry, and you will regret it; don’t marry, you will also regret it; marry or don’t marry, you will regret it either way. Laugh at the world’s foolishness, you will regret it; weep over it, you will regret that too; laugh at the world’s foolishness or weep over it, you will regret both. Believe a woman, you will regret it; believe her not, you will also regret it… Hang yourself, you will regret it; do not hang yourself, and you will regret that too; hang yourself or don’t hang yourself, you’ll regret it either way; whether you hang yourself or do not hang yourself, you will regret both. This, gentlemen, is the essence of all philosophy.” - Soren Kierkegaard

>> No.4155983

I'm you in your bad timeline where you're NGMI. Just gonna let you know that you absolutely want to get your shit together ASAP. My teachers set up little checkpoints for our thesis like "animatic done", "10,20,30 seconds animated/colored", etc. And I procrastinated for every single one, showing up with subpar garbage getting myself embarassed and depressed after every checkpoint screening. This kept up right until the final thesis screening that the parents and faculty attend and I was ashamed at what I made them sit through even if the jokes and comedic moments made people laugh. All I could think about is what I could have made had i not been a stupid prick. Left such a sour taste for me that I just didnt draw anymore for like 3 years afterwards and regressed like mad. Still working retail now when in my dreams I would be doing comissions or working at a studio animating the new upcoming cartoons. You need to save yourself from yourself and start putting in more effort if you dont want to be a NGMI.

>> No.4155994

No matter how many times I read through Loomis it doesn't stick with me and at this point I don't know if I'm just retarded and never gonna make it, I should just keep forcing myself to try and learn from it, or just say his teachings aren't for everyone and that maybe another book will help me out more

>> No.4156043

Try hampton design and invention or one of the other starter books in the book thread

>> No.4156180

He just teaches you form, there;s an abundance of sources to teach you, and an infinite amount of ways you can execute this single fundamental, don't worry you goober

>> No.4156249

Them's the ropes, the brakes and the rules, anon. If you're planning to live off this shit, the more eyes you get on your stuff, the better. It's not so much about skill, as most people, let alone normies, can't/don't care to distinguish skill, only what they like and what they don't. It's more about knowing how and who to sell to. Pick who you want your audience to be, and then use your skills to get to them. But most of all, get used to talking and being social, that's like 30% of the job, if not more.

>> No.4156259

whats is it about the animation community that draws in all the fucking degenerate assholes? serious question, im taking animation at college and holy fucking shit the people you will meet.

>> No.4156432

find something that you'd like to draw, evemžn if it some small things

>> No.4156438

You're telling me you're still not 15?

>> No.4156460

>Make a sketch in clip studio
>Decide to turn it into an illustration
>Work on it a few hours
>Press G to select color gamut
>program disappears
>reopen program
>lost everything
I am never using digital again. This is the gayest shit imaginable, hours of work lost in an instant, no backup, nothing. Am I really supposed to remember to save while I'm in the flow, holy shit this is so fucking stupid. I am so fucking mad. Never using digital again.

>> No.4156474

>working on it for hours
>never saving

>> No.4156475

File>Preferences>File>Enable Canvas Recovery

You can choose Clip Studio to autosave your canvas every [x] amount of minutes. Also check the CELSYS and CELSYS_EN folder on your computer, there may already be a recovery of your lost file on there.

>> No.4156476

Um, most drawing software can do automatic backups. Just check the settings.

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I used to enjoy sleeping, now it's a fucking nightmare.
Everyday I become more groggy and unfocused, I'm desperate to fix this but nothing fucking works

I wake up beat to shit, like I lost a fight.
My dreams are long, very long, and exhausting.
I don't know what the fuck to do.

>> No.4156488

I don't want to interrupt my work every 10 minutes, I want the stupid program to not crash.

>> No.4156494

>interrupt my work
>hit ctrl s or a single button you've bound to ctrl s once in a while
or as the others say, have the software autosave for you, have you ever used a computer before?

>> No.4156508

Generic advice but it couldn't hurt to try. Stop using screens half an hour before you go to sleep. Maintain a good sleep schedule, try to get up and go to sleep at the same time each day. Get 8 hours of sleep and try to go to bed earlier if you can, everyone is most productive in the morning. Spend less time in your room, excercise more and get out the house. Only lie on your bed when you're sleeping, otherwise you train your mind to see your bed not as a place of rest but as another place of activity. Hope that helps.

>> No.4157004

>Remember you are not alone in this struggle.
It sure feels that way. It feels like I started way too late on learning how to draw, as well as having nobody to talk to about art besides the crabs here and one person I know who doesn't even seem to be serious about it anymore.

>> No.4157015

Thanks future anon. I will do my best to take your warning to heart.

>> No.4157118

Not him but it sounds like vore.

t. sadistic vore lover

>> No.4157122

top lel

>> No.4157151


You probably need to do gesture drawing. You're focusing on detail instead of the dynamic of the figure

>> No.4157152


This is some homestuckian shit

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>art from just a few weeks ago looks like dogshit
what the fuck how am I so consistently bad

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And you'd be right. Vore is infamous for being strictly divided between the really sadistic serial-killer shit and the uwu protection cute shit. I really hate both of them, but I'd take the cutesy crap over the 'loving murderer/innocent victim' shit any day. It's one of the few things that actually gets me genuinely pissed off/disgusted, it just really gets to my reptilian brain.

I sometimes wish I was more sociopathic so I wouldn't get so triggered and creeped out by the sadists, since they seem to make up a really big part of the community.

I was considering making my own section of the community, but I think I've decided to stay away from the vorefags entirely. Not all of them are sadists (some are even pretty cool people), but it's better for my sanity to just step away from that community entirely and take my business elsewhere.
Maybe /pol/ was right about degenerates being hedonistic misanthropes.

Thanks for the advice anon. I've actually tried conditioning myself recently to not be as into the fetish and fap to vanilla more often. It sucks that a few bad apples have ruined one of my personal enjoyments.

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>been telling myself I'll draw since Thursday morning
>despite worsening mental state
>get home from work, open a couple CSP docs
>open a couple old pics too to remember what the fuck I did that make me like them
>sketch out figures, hate them, but not enough to effectively scrap them
>sleep a bit
>wake up
>fuck around asking why I'm shitposting and not drawing especially when people hate me already
>figure "oh yeah because I said I'd paint, and not just draw people."
>particular piece I want to do involves a desolate building in overgrowth on a sunny day
>take dense watercolor brush, pale blue, just swash, opaque watercolor, white, dabble a little
>now what

why can't i even force myself to draw
this is childish

>> No.4157471

I once punched some art fag in the head because he drew so much better than I could and it really made me angry.

I hope he's doing all right these days.

>> No.4157796

I'm alternating way too often between hating the stuff i draw and being really proud of it. it's exhausting and making me miserable.

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>be 24/fem
>go through your cringy old drawings and art supplies to empty the drawers
>suddely find random old pictures of parents when they were my age
>mom is a 10/10 sex bomb, pharmacy master's diplomma in hand
>you're a 5/10 bachelor of fine arts
>tfw i have tainted my bloodline

>> No.4157872

unless you got completely fucked in terms of bone structure, there's a lot you can do about that anon. i mean you're fucked with the art degree but at least you can be pretty and poor if you really want it

>> No.4157889

I'm actually making more money than my mom with that art degree. But looks-wise let's face it, I'm 24, I'm only getting uglier from this point on

>> No.4157891

depends. some people get better with age some don't.
but it's not really a huge deal if you're ugly.

>> No.4157933

What is the point of making art when you're at the mercy of countries like China? Imagine working for someone who might randomly force you to apologize and remove your smiling yellow bear because it happened to offend a big shot.
I never wanted to make political work but the fantastic things I want to make seem so meaningless when I look at the big picture. It's like go kiddo, play with your toys, play with your fantasy shit. Uh? You want to say this? Sure, you can say that all you want. Our customers love that opinion. Just don't say or do anything that might upset our shareholders. And that's why on celebrity accounts you find a thousand tweets on the former and zero on the latter.
Is this why art is so empty today, and there's no message although everyone loves politics? It's like if you want to be an artist you have to suppress all your inner thoughts.

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I only draw lewd little boys and I only have a desire to draw lewd little boys.
I don't share my art anywhere and I don't have many future prospects with this autism.

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I never seem to reach people, at the very best my friends react sometimes to my drawings (which I appreciate, don't get me wrong) but no real exposure
I know my work is not very appealing, but it's not garbage either, and I'm concerned on why I can't get people to see it

I already decided to quit on drawing cute animu girls like 10 times this year, but I always come back (I don't even know why)

>> No.4158001

some of my best stuff has been drawing kids. it's legal but i just can't really share it. specially with my trust issues.
god bless you brother

>> No.4158084

>Trying to work through a book of exercises and the author keeps listing off colors and products I don't have
Improv drives creativity, I suppose.

>Watching an artist ask, yet again, to be reminded of who they owe commissions to
How do you not have a list of the commissions that you owe? Why would people keep commissioning you? It's not that hard to make an Excel file.

>> No.4158117

There are tons of shotacons who will pay for that stuff. Just don't put your real name on anything.

>> No.4158182

it's ok to be bad, you'll improve with time.

>> No.4158240

maybe you dont like drawing that much then

>> No.4158255

shut your vagina, femdrone.

>> No.4158279
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>Created something I'm fairly proud of at first
>Look at it later and notice everything wrong with it
>Haven't been able to produce anything today because of it and feel stuck
>Don't have any art friends or in any kind of community where I can talk about art so I feel completely alone in this
>Not even sure if I should continue drawing or just give up completely

I just want to create something halfway decent, and sometimes I get close, but there is always some glaring flaw and I can't seem to really understand how to get rid of them.
I even tried to trace a picture today just to get some movement and maybe spark my brain into working, but even that failed.

>> No.4158371

>love drawing; can do it for hours at a time
>love studying and learning; get into the zone very easily
>think about the future and suddenly it stresses me out
I just want to focus on the process and the journey more often instead of worrying about gitting gud and the destination.

>> No.4158448

Can someone please brutally murder me? I don't think my art will make it.
You can fuck my body if you like, I'd be dead.

>> No.4158473

Why the fuck do I need my own website? Literally no one will ever see it unless I personally hand them a business card with the url on it. But somehow I'm unprofessional for not wasting time and money on a dust catcher with outdated portfolio pieces and fluffed up resume. Literally every other website has more traffic flow, upload capacity and outreach then some shitty portfolio page.

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how do you get yourself to draw when you have zero motivation to do so? there has to be some PRACTICAL trick to it, just like in everything else.
I just can't find it.

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i hate spiral bound ones,they are uncomfortable and look bad,while the normal book-like ones(which are way more expensive where i live) are great,they make me feel like im creating a world inside this book and when i close it it feels like what i drew in it cant escape

i dont know if any of this makes sense,im very tired

>> No.4158538

Just sketch some mindless things you're into without much thought nor care for perfection until you get into the mood.

>> No.4158557

Get paper sheets in your preferred thickness, loose not bound.
Get a binder.
Get a hole puncher.
Problem solved.

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give me your life energy

>> No.4158612

can you elaborate on what sorts of people you meet?

>> No.4158618

What did he eat?

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Here's a (You) from someone with the same problem. Ganbarre, anon! We'll figure it out someday.

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You ever get an art reference that just stares into your soul and prevents you from concentrating enough to draw

>> No.4158880
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>get really excited to draw something
>get some parts of it down
>new idea pops into my head/I run out of steam on the initial thought
>draw something else
>never finish anything
It's either that or
>working on a piece
>feel satisfied with how it's turning out
>get scared of finishing it because it could turn out bad or I might fuck it up
>never finish it

>> No.4158888

One thing I just absolutely fucking love is my consistency to start a new project and not attempt to finish or make progress on what I'm already working on. I can easily go into my animations folder and see that only 7% [AT BEST] are actual finished products, and 5% of them are random meme things I decided to animate to, and the other 2% is original shit that either sucks or makes no sense without context.
I've been attempting to fix this stupid behavior, because I want to do character animation [both 2D and 3D], and with this working pattern, I'd never get anything fucking done.

>> No.4158889

>hey, guess ill take a smoke break

>i feel like having a cup of coffee :0)

>boy, maybe i should take a break and fuel up with some coffee :^) maybe a smoke or two

>gonna put this drawing on pause for a sec. Gotta take a smoke real quick :0)

>gee ive been working on this drawing all night now :0) i better buy some cigs in the morning :^) time for bed!

>> No.4158893
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>Created something I'm fairly proud of at first
>Post in on /ic/
>Look at it later and notice several things wrong with it
>People on /ic/ also point out other things wrong with it that I didn't realize
>Don't have any art friends or in any kind of community where I can talk about art but /ic/ is always there
>Alternate between joy of learning stuff and the dread of being shit all around and feeling no improvement
>Giving up is not even considered since is the only hobby I can afford, do it alone and not be harmful to me or others
Being able to pinpoint your own flaws is a huge asset. What I do with my flaws is point them out and come up with what are my weak spots or things I like to avoid doing altogether, pick up material related to those areas and try to improve while doing new pieces. Always try to finish stuff but never get stuck on a piece, move on to a new one. In my experience down the road you will look back and realize there were far more things wrong on a fundamental level with an old piece that you wouldn't be able to fix without redoing the piece to fix those areas you weren't even aware on back then and that you would have never discovered by being stuck on it.

>> No.4158900

at least you get (you)s. i never do.

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>> No.4158906

>feel like you've done really well in a couple of value studies
>try it again the next day
>nope, still dog shit

2 steps forward 1 step back

>> No.4158925

Arts, or really, humanities in general, attract these people because they're all about self-expression, which a narcissist, a fetishist or a general shitty person will take as a chance to toot their own horn and reinforce the memes they'd otherwise have to keep to themselves or risk being isolated.

>> No.4159105

When I get very invested I don't even want to get up to pee or eat. Just find the thing you're most passionate about

>> No.4159109

>tfw no cute ganbare anon friend

>> No.4159113

in animation...?

>> No.4159128

No, but all my drawings seem to do that.

>> No.4159340

like other anon said just start with some crappy doodles not not caring about the end result, maybe add in a few gestures or a blind copy of some artwork you like

usually I get into it after a bit of doodling even on days where I have no motivation

>> No.4159348

I feel the same.
Redpill me on making shotacon profitable.

>> No.4159359
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rip ;_;

>> No.4159360

People immediately assume you’re /beg/ if you don’t use color

>> No.4159365

>depends. some people get better with age
Not if your woman.

>> No.4159366

I have solid fundamentals like gesture and shape but I have a spastic approach to drawing where I put down heavy lines really quickly, so sometimes I hinder myself by having to erase these heavy fuckin marks

The chemical struggle is real

>> No.4159367

Do commissions for bitcoin

>> No.4159370


>> No.4159374

How is this true? Maybe if you also don't use good shading/values or even just expressive inking. If all you make are shitty line art drawings then you probably are a beg

>> No.4159376

I want to draw my characters from my stories but then I end up hating it, so I draw generic people and places but then I get bored, thoug not hating it. What do?

>> No.4159387 [DELETED] 


>These days, the symptoms of mental illnesses are so many that I am taking emergency medicine more than three or four times and have side effects and my daily life is not working properly.

>> No.4159390


>These days, the symptoms of mental illnesses are so many that I am taking emergency medicine more than three or four times and have side effects and my daily life is not working properly.

>> No.4159421

Just use your characters. Yeah you'll ruin them but you'll make more, it's not the end of the world.

If you never do anything because you can't motivate yourself then you'll never get better, and then none of your ideas will ever amount to anything.

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I started drawing like 4 years ago, made some decent gains as a /beg/ and then floundered hard at the mediocre intermediate stage.

More and more I realize I have zero motivation to draw and when I run on discipline alone I don't even enjoy it. It's been this way for like two years. I want to be good at art, I enjoy art when I'm actually inspired and motivated, but that's rare.

I've sunk a lot of time and effort into the hobby and it frustrates me to know if I stop I'll just backslide worse, but sometimes keeping up with it just feels like I'm doing it out of sunk costs.

>> No.4159492

Not even gonna shower today, fuckin normies

>> No.4159513


I feel you

>> No.4159549
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I wish I could quit my day job so I can draw instead.

On weekends I spend 8-10 hrs a day drawing, but on weekdays I'm too exhausted and only produce shit.

>> No.4159551
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I got my first art job for a game studio last month and a week. The first week I was assigned to do some work unrelated stuff. The second week I was assigned to join in a big project with a senior guy. The task was to make 1 background per week. And at the end of the week my work got rejected, the manager told me to redo and this time I had to get the director guy to approve every step I made. I did exactly what I was told and at the next week the manager came to me and told me my work was still shit and I had to redo it AGAIN. But this time I would need her approves. It's been a month in and I haven't been able to finish a single task because she had me to redo a lot of times from step to step. I feel stuck and emotionally and physically exhausted. I feel like whatever I do just can't meet her expectations and I won't be able to finish this. I cried so much after every team meeting because she kept saying I had to speed up. How can they expect me to make a good work on the same quality as a senior without any proper training. The senior guy already did 4 pieces and I did none I feel so guilty and I don't know if I should quit..

>> No.4159553
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don't give up anon, I believe in you

>> No.4159565


Go to bed earlier, wake up earlier, draw in the morning.

Waking up early is shit but for most people those few hours in the morning are the most focused/productive you're going to get, don't waste it on a job if you're not passionate about it.

>> No.4159577

I..I'm having trouble drawing bodies. Even shitty ones. My head's look nice and descent but when it comes to drawing the body, I just struggle to try. I don't know what to do.

>> No.4159596
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I have no friends, absolutely none. Not online nor irl.
I go to my uni classes (not art), come back home and draw.
Wednesdays, I have a figure drawing class. I draw and then leave.

People seem to approach others more openly, even strangers, but I get mostly ignored.
It bothers me for a moment, but not as much as (I think) it should.

I have a big Mutata poster of the sunflower girl, it really feels like she's cheering me on sometimes.
Huston videos

>> No.4159621

>tfw will never get out of /beg/

>> No.4159625

A lot of people are encouraging me to go into medication for depression and anxiety. But I'm scared that nothing will change. Or that it's too late my brain is damaged. It feels like my brain is slowly getting more retarded. I always had trouble speaking, reading and writing. But it's gotten a lot worst. I sutter and stammer a lot, I am slurring my words and I've began using the wrong words to describe stuff. I don't hallucinate as badly but I still catch it out of the corner of my eyes. I thought I was getting better when the panic attacks stopped. I still feel paranoid about everyone. It's really affecting my art, I feel like it is getting worst. It's very discouraging that I know I can do better but it isn't getting better.

>> No.4159643


The hallucinations can be part of fatigue due to depression, but I would get it checked and make sure it's not schizophrenia or something. How old are you? It often shows up in your mid-20's.

Whats there to lose by trying meds? The worst that can happen is that it does nothing and just kills your libido until you stop and get it out of your system. It depends on the meds as well, if one doesn't work, try another.

I spent over a decade trying to not let depression affect my art, and I still struggle with it but the right med put a threshold of how low I can get so I don't hit the bottom. This helps me at least be able to get back on my feet.

Sure, meds aren't going to solve your problems, but it's a nice crutch to help you do what you need to get done until you can get yourself into a better place. Depression is common these days because we live in a really fucked up culture where everyone is isolated, our lifestyles are whack and goes against our nature, and a lot of this is out of our control (or it will take a very long time to get yourself out of this environment).

I've been able to focus and even become more productive with my stories since I started Wellbutrin, and it makes me horny as hell too. I was able to go back to school after starting meds, because before my mind would be too scattered or be living in the past. The annoying part of taking meds is that you have to remember to take it.

Good luck.

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You don't have friends, only acquaintances. A "Friend" is usually a one way street where the other is the beneficiary whether it be monetary or asset related by asking for "favors" and as soon as you stop providing you all of the sudden become the asshole for not giving them what they want.

Also, count the number of times you kept saying "I" and "Me" you are in a troubled state because you keep thinking about yourself. Instead of thinking about me, me, woe is me why won't you try and become a friend and think about others. Perhaps by doing so you will distract yourself from your woes even if it is just for a moment.

>> No.4159658

Even people with dozens of friends can't stop saying "me" and "I", I noticed.

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>only acquaintances
I don't have any acquaintances either, but if you meant that in general then I wouldn't know.
>think about others
What does that even mean?
That there's people worse off than me? I already know that.
What do you mean by "become a friend"?

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I'm so frustrated with everything I draw lately. I'm in this huge rut and I don't seem to get any better. I try doing studies but I feel like I'm doing it wrong and not actually learning anything

>> No.4159674

If you want a friend, be one stupid.

>> No.4159678

I think anon is saying approach others instead of waiting for them to approach you. Strike up conversations, find mutual interest.

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Thanks anon, I'm sure we will

>> No.4159957

I keep saying to myself that today I will draw, today I will take out the watercolours and make something. But I never do. It's been a month since I last painted, I feel like I'm not good enough. That I don't deserve to draw, that I should focus on other stuff but I keep coming up with excuses and regretting stuff and then I'm just left with these big gaps in my memory where I've just slept weeks away. I don't know. I feel sad and lonely and useless.

>> No.4159967

"Oh my god that's not real drawing that's math pretending to be drawing", - Steve Huston on Perspective.

>> No.4159981

>Do gesture
>looks too noodly and formless
>Do construction
>looks too stiff, brittle, rigid

I need to find that balance, that'll make my forms solid but lifelike.

>> No.4159987

The construction is supposed to follow the gesture. Watch Huston

>> No.4159998

Why is Huston such a chad?

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aaaah i remember you, the guy with the big murata loli poster over your desk

wholesome shit

>> No.4160034

Build up your online presence so people know you exist, for starters. Commissions and/or some form of continuous fan support like Patreon, kofi, etc. Gumroad is popular among shotacons, I think. Same basics as trying to be any other kind of online artist, I would think.

>> No.4160057

there's so many different fundamentals and i don't know where to start. I fell for the box meme then realized i fell for it then i did gesture drawing then stopped that to do observational then stopped doing that to get back into perspective the i went back to gesture drawing WHAT THE FUCK DO I DO

>> No.4160071

>Murata Poster Anon has no friends

I’ll be your e-friend anon, but you gotta bear with my terrible drawings and know that anytime I send you something it will be either lolis or old timey British saylors/whalers calling you a bloody poofta.

>> No.4160099

how the fuck do you into twitter?
i'm thinking about making a new account, but i want to go in with knowledge this time.. grinding on a fanart buffer atm, what else should i be planning on doing? do you have to draw popular artist's ocs to get an initial bump, or is fanart enough? is coom necessary?

i'm high intermediate and know i can get attention if i play my cards right.. but if i end up with another DOA account i'm just gonna avoid social media for good.

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I fucking hate fandom that I draw for, every second follower is a tranny or some other diaper fetish tier faggot

>> No.4160128
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>stupid high school senior starts ranting during college apps season:

I’ve been feeling so conflicted about what I wanna do with my future. People say I have an above average intelligence but I’m also talented in arts (I’ve taken Advanced Placement 2D design and am taking AP draw paint). And now I think I wanna go to RISD and they’ve already looked at my portfolio and liked it. This sounds really good but I’m conflicted. Cause I know that if I go, I might be in debt for a long time or I’ll end up not having any valuable skills.

What I wanna major in is medical illustration. But i know it’s a super tough major to get into. I only have two schools in state that offer it, and the school I want to go to in state probably won’t accept me. (Due to Them always setting higher standards each year, and the school I go to having such high standards).

Obviously I have some colleges I’m applying to that will accept me no doubts. But. Idk.
I’m so conflicted on art school. It’s such a sham. But I’ve wasted most of my life just drawing and it’s so stupid.
Ahaha I just don’t wanna waste away at an office job, yknow?

>> No.4160144

Fuck, same here anon. It gets exposure but I sometimes wonder if it's worth it. Here's to both our sanities.

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m-me too thanks.

>> No.4160154

Thanks for the kind words stranger.

I don't know what schizophrenia is actually like.

>> No.4160325

they are putting energy into you, try to come to their expectations

worst case scenario, you get fired with more experience than when you were hired

>> No.4160337

Buddy, RISD is a crazy school to get into. You think you’re too “smart” for art? Just wait and see how some of the students think there. Sure, you’ll find a lot of regular art kids too, but more often than not you’ll be walking among modern day geniuses, if you manage to get in. It’s not lightly tossed around as an “ivy” art school for no reason. Folks have turned down Harvard and MIT to study at there. And don’t even mention the Brown/RISD dual degree kids - they are legitimately the unicorns of your generation (like jack of all trades intellectual/artistic DaVinci-level students). Attend that school if you want to witness the future of art and design. I am not kidding.

>> No.4160339

>tfw /ic/ talks of RISD like it's nothing
>in reality hark work and geniuses are actually present

>> No.4160340

Fuck, typos everywhere in that reply lol. But to;dr don’t take that school lightly - you’ll be prepared in more ways than you realize after graduation, if you do decide to go this route. Could be worth it.

>> No.4160341

I’m confused. I was endorsing just how much of a good school risd is? Did I not make that clear?

>> No.4160343

I'm just saying that someone will eventually come along and disprove your statement with shitposting, but I take it to heart because I know just how difficult shit is.

>> No.4160362

Lol, that’s their problem. I saw how similar anon’s viewpoint was to mine in my senior year of high school. Did well in my classes, had high gpa/test scores, didn’t know shit about the art world outside what what conventionally laymen people knew of it. Knew RISD was “good,” but didn’t realize how good until I went through it myself. Saw a lot of myself in anon, so I wanted to shake him/her and make them realize it’s not something to take lightly.

>> No.4160831

>But looks-wise let's face it, I'm 24, I'm only getting uglier from this point on
You seriously need to get off this website, this kind of mentality is killing braincels. Only on 4chan do people really think women hit the wall at age 23. You have at least 10 more years of being prime, but women are aging better and better in the modern day. My mom looks in her late 20s and she's in her late 40s. Just make sure to take care of your skin, keep yourself healthy, and avoid sun damage.

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>Only on 4chan do people really think women hit the wall at age 23
Ackchyually it's 30

>> No.4160866

Isn't most of this site's demographics 18-20~? I don't think many realize that as you get older, you tend to be interested in people within that same age group.
I'm nearing 25 and 18-19 year olds are starting to put me off outside of a casual fuck.

>> No.4161145
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>search google for certain pose I need to draw
>go through hundreds of real life pictures, no one doing the pose I searched for


>> No.4161192

Finished is better than perfect anon. If you get interrupted by a new idea write it down or do a rough sketch, but don't start a new piece and fuck up your work flow. Practice committing to what your working on and you'll be surprised how easily it will come to you

>> No.4161212

Just fucking draw. All it takes to start is to put one mark down on the paper. Then everything will flow outwards from there. Don't overthink it anon

>> No.4161228

I'm 28, studied physics and now unemployed. I don't really give a shit about physics, I want to be an artist instead. I paint a lot now, but I don't see how I can resolve this dissonance.

>> No.4161254

Read scott robertsons how to draw and how to render they will be right up your alley. Then find some in depth color and light theory.

>> No.4161259

Depends on the person. I'm nearly 30 and get along better with 20 year olds than 30 year olds.
Too many social expectations and maintaining face with the 30 year olds unless you knew them since highschool. I can just be myself around 20 year olds.

>> No.4161261

Why don't you just take a picture of yourself in that pose?

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>flip drawing
>looks better


>> No.4161274

Should compare yourself to other people anon.
Weight can be lost and the right diet can improve your skin and hair.
I was exceptionally ugly as a child and didn't really grow into looks until early 20's. I am often thought to be younger. Doesn't help I get along better with younger people at work. I have a few co workers who look older then me and are younger.

>> No.4161275


>> No.4161282

Get DesignDoll or anything similar. I used to spend 45+ minutes looking for poses like a retard. Not anymore.

>> No.4161283

Use some of that money on beauty, like grooming, the spa, better diet, personal trainer, and even alaric surgery if you're still not happy

>> No.4161286

*plastic surgery

>> No.4161290
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why the fuck cant i get over 4k followers on my instgram art page?are algorithms at play or is my art just shite?

>> No.4161297

Yea youre shit m8

>> No.4161302

>Only on 4chan do people really think women hit the wall at age 23
On /ic/ that's 10 years too old

>> No.4161318

It's all just about learning to draw 3D masses on 2D paper. Just read Bridgman very carefully with this in mind. The figure is just 3 boxes in perspective. Everything you want to draw is a bunch of basic shapes, gesture or rhythm are not a separate thing in this, it's just a pleasing arrangement for those shapes. All surface anatomy and drapery is still shapes and masses arranged through a pleasing curve. There is really no difference between a person and a cloud or a tree.
Imagine you are learning the grammar of a language. As you progress you learn a wider vocabulary. Those are cars, dogs, etc. But there is no difference between the words cat or dog or man.

>> No.4161320

you had a pretty good sense of forms while 15 ngl

>> No.4161321

i feel personally attacked

>> No.4161327
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My dad has more twitter followers than me

>> No.4161332

try hampton or steve houston

>> No.4161337

>tfw his dad's last tweet is from 2007
>"brb buying cigarettes"

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>mfw dad is lead graphical designer, been working for 30+ years in movies, commercials and music videos while I can't even draw proper loomis
I try to my best to even hide the fact that I'm drawing until I have something nonembarrassing to show

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Anyone else gets nervous when uploading something?

>> No.4161469

Yeah. Even if it's just for crits, I want to make something more presentable always.

>> No.4161477

yeah, all my art ends up gay looking and i have no way to defag it, so it's pretty daunting posting stuff in case someone finds out what a faggot i am

>> No.4161494

Can you share your mom's skin routine? Completely serious.

And yes, hitting the wall is something of a choice. Skincare gets better and better and there are all sorts of uninvasice treatments you can get to look better. I think our idea of what aging looks like has been skewed by a generation of people that spent their summers tanning and their youth smoking, both will age you badly. There are always people that just don't age well but plenty of people look great simply by maintaining their weight and having healthy habits.

>> No.4161581

I get nervous about existing
Uploading is just a "fuck it" moment for me

>> No.4161602

Oh fuck. I didn’t mean it like that. I meant it in the “is it worth the money” kind of way. I 100% don’t think I’m as smart as the kids that go there or the kids that duel enroll at brown.

But if we’re talking about how hard it is to get in, they don’t take sat scores anymore. Which was a relief to a friend and I. (Is it really tho HAHAHAHAHA?)

Also, I wonder if Ivy leagues or college in general is even worth it? Dumb question it’s different for each person!

>> No.4161603

Any or all, doing something is better than nothing. You can focus on gesture, anatomy, perspective, observational drawing, because you'll need all of them any way later on so don't worry about which one you choose.

>> No.4161614


Yeah. That was a really stupid thing for me to say anon. I probably should’ve worded it like:
“RISD is super difficult to get into, but would I even want to spend my time trying just to either get: a)rejected or b)rejected by my parents because of how expensive it is. Even with FAFSA.”

The money I would take going to art school would be better used on my sibling who wants to be a doctor.

>> No.4161615

Two main things:

how the FUCK do I unlearn drawing my art so stiffly. I feel like it's not always bad but there are days where I just draw a single circle, and I can tell its gonna be a shit day. It's like everywhere I look, everyone's art is flowy-er than mine, except the literal beginner tracers. Might be a side effect of being a weeb but even /beg/ japanese art is less stiff than mine. And the worst part is that usually things that I draw in the sketch phase aren't that stuff.. but once it's finished it completely fucks up. My sketches aren't that much messier than final drawings either, I just find it easier to redraw than it is to clean it up.

secondly: I kind of dug myself in an art community hole. Last year I joined a group of artists for a specific smaller fandom for the first time. Before that I hadn't joined any online groups or even had online friends at all. But now my art is kind of popular IN that fandom.. but not that much since it's not waifu-focused. Nowadays I want to draw different stuff too but I'm afraid to scare away my followers with non-fandom stuff. I already lost a few before. And I can't really make a new identity because now I have friends under that one.... I used to abandon accounts ALL the time since I just had silent followers.
on my current accouunt, somehow some of the artists I look up to (NOT fandom related) actually followed me back so the pressure is even higher.. I just wanna draw personal stuff again without losing everyone.

>> No.4161653 [DELETED] 

>"Shouldn't compare yourself to other people anon."
>how to improve your looks (so you feel better next to someone else)
>then you follow that up with comparing yourself to others

I guess it's like compare yourself to people that you consider below you (ex. younger people looking older than you) and ignoring better looking people.

>> No.4161655

>"Shouldn't compare yourself to other people anon."
>how to improve your looks (so you feel better next to someone else)
>then you follow that up with comparing yourself to others

It's actually like compare yourself to people that you consider below you (younger people looking older than you) and ignoring better looking people.

>> No.4161661

Your right I am basis. I just hate how people shovel fast food into their gaping orifices and complain about their weight. And then complain about a quick five minute walk to work. You can choose how you can look to some extant. Your weight, your skin and your hair style.

>> No.4161666

Okay, ironically I am obsessing over this movie and can't draw because of it. I've been a huge batman fan for a while and after seeing this I feel almost overly inspired. I'm overwhelmed with thinking about all the artistic choices that went into every detail, from set design to acting that I can't concentrate on my other artistic work.
i'm a freelance illustrator and am just having trouble getting into the comic book I'm currently commissioned to draw because putting myself into another story is hard

>> No.4161699

I had an issue with stiff art too, but when I started animating it got way better. I just had to get in the headspace of thinking about motion, not appeal or anatomical correctness. Warming up for 15 mins doing just little doodles of tennis players and wrestlers w/out references helped a lot. Tennis players because they're jumping in the air and lunging a lot and wrestlers because it's essential to have fluid shapes when two forms are touching.

>> No.4161798

There's a current movement in comics that I feel like I was supposed to be a part of, and failing to enter the industry when I wanted to means I missed it.

>> No.4161822

I can't stop comparing myself to other people. Their work, their rate of improvement, when they started, etc.

Without fail, I find something that demotivates me. Nothing I do seems to be any good whereas most others at least have potential or something interesting to offer.

>> No.4162089

Wow sometimes its just so boring. But other times it feels great to draw! What a difference that can be caused.

>> No.4162096 [DELETED] 

If you feel like this you are not making art that is personal enough. But if you do making art that only you can make, it will be extremely hard to make it.
You have to make a choice, anon. It's really art vs. commerce.

>> No.4162097

If you feel like this, you are not making art that is personal enough. But if you do start making art that only you can make, it will be extremely hard to make money with it. So you have to make a choice, anon. It's really art vs. commerce.

>> No.4162113
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>My mom looks in her late 20s and she's in her late 40s. Just make sure to take care of your skin, keep yourself healthy, and avoid sun damage.
So much this lol.
Another skincare fag here. Sunscreen is the most important thing to incorporate in your routine. The most effective ones are european and asian products. Always remember to moisturize + hydrate and avoid the sun unless you have sunscreen on.

Not him/her but I unironically recommend going to r/skincareaddiction and r/AsianBeauty. They can recommend what routine suits you and products that
are cheap and actually work

>> No.4162126

I recently found out my youngshit cousin has already 'made it' in the social media art game. I can't help but compare myself and my currently stagnating progress. All I did at that age was fap and play vidya.

I couldn't even bring myself to admit that I was also into drawing shit. If I wasn't so ashamed and bitter maybe I could have made a valuable networking acquaintance.

>> No.4162127
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>feelin good in art
>doin good all year
>gonna make it bros
>pour my heart into something for significant other
>work real hard to make them the happiest i can be
>finish it a month late after their birthday
>they break up with me moments after seeing it
>haven't once tried to pour my heart into art since
>haven't felt motivated to do art since
>sketch now and again but don't really do much else
>wanna learn to paint but putting effort into art just makes me sad
not gonna make it afterall

>> No.4162132

What was it?
I’m kind of afraid of getting to things too late too.

>> No.4162135

Did they break up with you BECAUSE of the art??
If so, what a dumbass. Good riddance.

>> No.4162138

They know how to break you

>> No.4162188
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I'm 28, as a young'un I hated my and the older generation. As an old man now I hate the younger generation as well.

But in terms of finding a partner, I do think 23 is already getting a bit too old for me.
The mother of my children must be 25 at most upon having our first kid, so that we have time to have more down the road.

Cutie patootie!

>> No.4162200

Age in the sense of maturity is very subjective. I'm 28, My gf is 21, but rarely do I ever think about the age gap at all, it simply isn't something that matters to me. My last gf was 3 years older than me. It's more a matter of interests, ideas, personal experience etc. I think people aren't really specifically interested in people their age, it's more a matter of common experiences. If you are 23 and a student at a university, you are more likely to have a meaningful conversation with other students, roughly your age, because they are all doing the same shit as you, so it's easy to find a common topic. However, another 23 year old person who is working full-time for 5 years now may not be as approachable to you.

>> No.4162268
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I spent all day browsing 4chan instead of drawing again

>> No.4162288

It's less about that and more so about technique and skill. I largely just draw the stuff I want, but in terms of technical skill it's so underwhelming and terrible and I'm not improving fast enough.

>> No.4162299
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Do you also have days where you completely suck and can't even put a straight line on paper?

>> No.4162358

Why the fuck everything is called art? Fuckers who dont put passion or effort on fixing the shit the know its wrong calling their sonichu tier garbage "art". Fuck them, fuck this shit world

>> No.4162359

don't give up, I'm pretty sure they are testing you to see if you're someone they can depend on in the long run. You're not yet used to what type of exact work they are expecting from you which is pretty normal in any job whatsoever, you'll quickly adapt to it while you keep trying to meet their expectations, so don't be discouraged anon.

>> No.4162370

how to get silky korean hair?

>> No.4162388

>share art & people day they like it
>can never believe them b/c they might just be trying to be nice
i hate that common courtesy makes it impossible to ever believe anyone actually likes anything you do. why cant people just be assholes and say what they really mean?
pretty sure everybody has that anon. i remember dave rapoza talking about how he has a psd called this is how you paint idiot or something along those lines that breaks down his whole process for him on the days he feels like he doesn't know how to draw anymore.

>> No.4162437

Constant pressure and stress from my mom to find a job

And I know that if I were to have a job, there would be constant prressure and stress from the job

>> No.4162439

Surprisingly not true. At least not 100%. Money goes a long way. Consumerism really is fine. And you also realize that with enough money, you can do whatever you want.

>> No.4162469

I have hair all the way down to my ass, get compliments on it all the time. People touch it and tell me it's the softest hair they felt. My routine: wash every other day, use an oil (baby oil works too), silicone serum, use conditioner or a hair mask every wash, decent shampoo (I use dove). Most of good haircare is not doing crazy shit to it, like dyeing or using flat iron.

Same with skincare, most of it is just avoiding smoking/alcohol/drugs/tanning and having basic self care like staying hydrated, using moisturizer, and having a decent diet. I look 10 years younger than my age.

>> No.4162482

What’s your diet? What does decent mean?

>> No.4162488

>still haven't been able to understand forms
I'd fucking kill to be even halfway decent at this. I'm so sick of being stuck in /beg/ no matter what I seem to practice.

>> No.4162492

Honestly, I dont exactly follow it myself because lack of time, laziness, not enough money, whatever, but I believe in the weston price diet - healthy fats, animal proteins, potatoes/vegetables/simple rice for starch. I consume a lot of dairy products for the pleasure of it. Don't starve yourself, just eat sufficiently and exercise if you want a nice body.

Never use "low fat" crap, those are filled with sugar. Avoid unnecessary sugar, especially sugary drinks. That's where most cavities come from anyway. Stick with water or something more nutritious, like milk.

Home cooked meals is king, but if you cant cook for a reason, try to go for frozen dinners with pronounceable ingredients, or go to a sit in restaurant (I like Indian and Korean for their heartiness). No pizza bites or fast food.

>> No.4162523

making a visual novel all by myself and i know my art isn't perfect but people keep telling me that it's better that you make something flawed than not make something at all, and I'm sure all the drawing will help me improve somehow
it's getting me to draw more backgrounds, which is something I would have never done otherwise, and it's nice finally making something that up til now has only existed in your head. it's such a weird feeling seeing scenes play out that you've had in the back of your mind for years.

>> No.4162676

thats great, im happy for you. also, you can always hire an extra hand to assist you if you can afford it.

>> No.4162743

I olnly masturbate and eat Mc'Donals, I haven't went to uni in two weeks

>> No.4162748

I really want to be able to make sexy and or cool looking characters but I feel like my lack of imagination/creativity along with inept skills would prevent me from ever making anything worthwhile and it is frustrating because I dont even know how to begin designing such things, and i feel like if i ever would attempt anything at my current skills it would just look like shit.

>> No.4162790

Limit your use of shampoo. Use oils or hair mask every week. Don't comb too much while the haor is still wet. Having a good diet also helps.

>> No.4162802

Women work so hard. It tires me out just reading this.

>> No.4162814

Same, I'd rather just be ugly
t. lazy femanon

>> No.4162833
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Don't do it anon, I've went down that path. Only destruction awaits you

>> No.4162836

You wanna get laid or not?

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>> No.4162920

Where is the line between "finished piece" and "polished turd" for an artist with low skill anyway? I always get interrupted and unable to finish something because I realize I'm a shit /beg/ and what I'm making isn't going to be presentable in the overall scheme of things.

>> No.4162936

it did help my drawing

dynamic sketching II on the other hand was shit

>> No.4162976

It's not that hard, just pick up the bottle and put it on lol. It's very low maintenence and I am sure I spend less than guys who get haircuts every couple weeks, have to shave, bla bla bla. Grooming is just part of human nature.

Also, it's a labor of love. I am a very sensual person and enjoy the smell and the feel of the products, I love working the stuff into my hair and body. The feel of hair and my skin (and can only imagine how much my partners loved it). I love eating food and the different flavors. I am a point where if I enjoy something, I know it's good for me. I am high on life.

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>> No.4163033
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>tfw know this feel
I just kept drawing anyways even though it lowered my ability by like 25%.

>> No.4163035

Yeah dude it sucks they are stiff as hell.
I can't fucking pay for heating I'm a goddamn artist for christs sake

>> No.4163042

>she has her hair all the way down to her ass
>it surely touches stuff like chairs and walls all the time
>she even mentioned that strangers touch it too
ew, why do people do this

>> No.4163105

Haven't been on /ic/ in a year.

Used to contribute and be active a lot in the past. I take breaks frequently and for a long duration, and only come back in short spurts.

Every time I type in that sweet "4c" and Chrome autocompletes it to /ic/, I am hoping that I will come here and find a good selection of threads, anons getting involved in studying the old masters more carefully, asking what works, what doesn't, how and why.

Maybe, just maybe, a thread on principles of composition.

But no, I return to the same shitposting, ugly misguided studies, bad linework, and terrible book requests. A sticky so awful it's better not to read it.

Have they not ascended? Have they not even progressed slightly? It's hard to believe. After all these years they are still quibbling over the same idiocy, same "golden paths" to some mystical successful career. Same ugly idols.

Maybe the anons that make it leave and don't look back. I've made it before I came here, but I stick around for the glimpse of brilliance that is sometimes posted in the art book thread.

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>being an insulin junkie
Take the ketopill, amerilard.

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I wish a was a samefacing symboldrawing weeb. I can't draw cute anime bitches because I sperg too much about faces and anatomy. I'm trying too hard and can't maintain consistency so my art turns out stiff and soulless polished turd. Seems like "just learn the fundies and then you'll be able to refine it into more expressive and stylized stuff" was a meme all along. Also no artist gf I'm horny and lonely aaa.

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>use an oil
My mom tried to convince me to use hair oils but I'm afraid of accidentally spreading this shit all over my apartment after I instinctively scratch my head without noticing.

>> No.4163126

Have you tried copying your favorite artists and trying to internalize what they did?

>> No.4163168

Dummy you put your hair up in a bun, and my family and friends touch it not strangers

Is your mom Indian? You only need a little bit of oil to soak into your hair.

>> No.4163172

It's not that bad, I have similar fears but ultimately they're unfounded from my experience.

>> No.4163177

>tfw my hair is smooth and soft as fuck even though i never take care of it + ruin it constantly because i don't use hair dryer
>tfw i'm a guy
Having people compliment my hair is weird, help.

>> No.4163179

>read this post
wow they must be based as fuck
>actually check their work
holy yikes

>> No.4163183

>Only on 4chan
as a twitterfag and frog forums poster, I deny this statement 100%
everyone says this, it's brought up in medium like cinema and shit often as well

>> No.4163210

>framed wig
based and nightmare-pilled

>> No.4163224
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>"focus on drawing what you see"
>"don't draw on what you see, feel the form"
>"break everything down to simple geometric shapes"
the fuck is this

I honestly just want to ditch all books and guide videos and just draw in the way I feel most natural but I'm too pussy for that

>> No.4163232

does your cousin know his fundies? is your cousin legitimately talented? Or did he just get popular? There's a difference

It's pointless to compare yourself to someone else who had a different life and background. Carve your own path, learn your fundies and get good.

>> No.4163262

I'm improving a lot but holy shit it feels like my brain draws well whenever it wants. Sometimes I draw a pose and it doesn't look bad at all, sometimes I draw something and it looks like no effort was put into it. It's very frustrating.

Also doing lineart pisses me off, I just don't get it. No matter how many strokes I do it just never looks right. How do people get good at this? Is it my cheap laptop unable to precisely follow my tablet's commands? Is it my tablet being a piece of crap? Is it me just being able to do a proper line? I just can't figure it out. I'm probably going to have to copy artwork with good lines stroke for stroke until I get how it's done, otherwise I feel like I'm going to be stuck forever.

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>spend hour trying to sign up for cgpeers
>finally get past stupid error code
>try to sign into email to confirm registration
>email account was marked as spam and deleted
Fuck it, I'll just try again next month. Why do email services have to make it such a pain in the ass to sign up anonymously?

>> No.4163352

ehh I was a lazy bitch like you 2 years ago, until hormonal acne broke me out horribly and I started reading on proper skincare this year. My skin immediately got better in 5 months and I never looked back to my lazy lifestyle.

>> No.4163353

some people are gifted with good hair genetics
I have a wavy hair and my humid ass country is making it dry and frizzy.

>> No.4163355

lol how the hell are you going to spread that shit all over the apartment. You're not dipping your hair in a bucket of cooking oil. You only need 3-5 drops from a small bottle. A little over that and you'll look greasy af

>> No.4163368

Don't worry about it. Most VNs look like /beg/

>> No.4163369

Ask and we shall answer. What troubles you, my son?

>> No.4163371

Is there any framework software to make a VN like RPGMaker or do you have to program everything from the ground up?

>> No.4163391

So instead of trying to improve the situation you just come here to laugh at all the people being misguided?

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Lmao sure, whatever help you sleep at night

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I fucking hate myself because (among other things) I always just end up drawing twinks. Pic related is a shitty draft I'm currently working on (yes I know the arms, proportions and everything else is fucked, I'm working on it) and I started it with the specific intention of trying to draw a more traditionally masculine character, hence the piercings, hoodie and backwards cap. Then, in my infinite retardation, I thought "Hey wouldn't this look cool with lipstick, nail polish and eye shadow" and then I ended up liking how that looked. To make matters worse, I just ended up giving him tights and a gay pose.

I'm not asking for advice on how to stop, I just want to vent my rage at myself online.

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>> No.4163409

at this point I would just stop being conflicted about it and embrace the gayness completely

>> No.4163411

Don't worry, you will stop drawing cringy shit like this when you know how to draw decently

>> No.4163413

Thanks anons, I appreciate it

>> No.4163418

watch Velvet Goldmine, you will probably enjoy it

>> No.4163420

Oh my god that actually looks God-Tier
Thank you so much

>> No.4163443

I don't know what to study and where to start again

>> No.4163445

Shit, it works for Araki. You do you, anon.

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right back at you

>> No.4163465

I want to stop my anime style but i can't no matter how hard i try. it's sad. I should've listen my middle school art teacher when i could still be saved

>> No.4163467

here, take it

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I want online friends to draw with over discord and sharescreen I'm so fucking lonely, everyone meet online or irl just draws for fun and never take it seriously, I'm still beg as shit but trying my hardest to improve 7+ hours a day. I dont care if want to draw anime or cape shit just dont be a degenerate,

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>Cherry picking
>Said most
Lmao as expected from /beg/shitposter
pyw or gtfo crab, i bet Ryu07 can shit on you in writing AND art department.

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You have a way with words,

I want to fuck you right now.

>> No.4163507

wait does not using hair dryer ruin the hair?

>> No.4163510

what's your discord fren?

>> No.4163516

..uh oilpill me on oil what is it actually doing? tried it a couple times but I think I used either too much or too little.

Also I did use semi-expensive conditioner regularly, and while it did make the hair more smooth and silky, it thinned it out a bit

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I do sometimes, but there's too much artists with contradicting styles I'd like to rip off.

>> No.4163519

Hahaha just embrace the faggotry. I think you should actually ramp it up for the Jojo effect

>traditionally masculine character, hence the piercings, hoodie, and backwards cap

hahahaha thats campy as fuck and not manly at all, only punks have piercings and backwards caps hahaha nigga go hang out with some actual guys and see how they behave and dress

>> No.4163523

I dont know the exact science behind it, but it's something about the lipids helping with the integrity of your hair structure, because shampoo removes some of the natural oils already in your hair and getting your hair soaking wet can mess with hair structure as well and oil buffers against it to a level. Some oils penetrate into the hair shaft, like coconut oil, while other oils sit on the top and bla bla bla. Oil was used on hair in nearly every human culture.

Also, everyone prefers different oils because our hair is different. I like baby oil, but some people's hair will react very differently to it. A lot of people like coconut oil, but my hair can only take so much until it starts feeling crunchy.

Same with conditioner, just because it's considered decent and works for a lot of people doesn't mean it will work for you, while a cheapo one would be the perfect one for your hair. It's really trial and error and eventually you'll be able to predict what your hair might like.

Lol thanks, I hear that a lot. I have a way with words. I had a lot of guys jacking off to my posts and sliding into my DM.

>> No.4163524

it feels like i've hit a level of burnout where im so unmotivated to do anything that i just keep drawing b/c it's easier than having fun. i really need a break but even trying to play vidya is completely overwhelming.

try to narrow your focus. we're so saturated by media these days that it's really easy to just spin your wheels trying to do a million different things at once and end up going nowhere. what helped me a lot with learning animu from a realism background is thinking about it more like graphic design than drawing if that makes any sense. it's also important to come to terms with the fact that anime bends most of the rules you know and sometimes outright breaks them. appealism > realism is the most important principle

>> No.4163526

And you also refute me with one image, implying that most look good. Don't you feel the irony here?

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>devinci tier geniuses go to RISD!
>brags about the school he went to

> pic rel lmao devinci geniuses jusssttt lmaooooooooooooooooo

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Thanks for the detailed explanation, oil it is then

>I had a lot of guys jacking off to my posts and sliding into my DM
you need to go back friend

>> No.4163645

Tfw spent majority of time fixing my Magic deck yesterday, and finished one Bargue plate in 1, 3 in three hours, and it was way off

>> No.4163674

No because i'm using your shitty cherry pick logic, if you can't prove it then don't talk shit

>> No.4163676

Letting your hair still wet after showers will ruin your hair in the long run

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>> No.4163715

not really, just damp it with tower til it stops dripping and let it airdry. Drying with hair dryer set to hot could damage the hair in the long run

>> No.4163731

I hate that everyone told me the only thing I was good at is drawing. My entire life.
And because of it my family pressured me to go to art school.
Now the only thing that didn't make me want to kill myself is a consistent stressor. A job that I am consistently forced to do in order to appease assholes for a grade.
I only have 1 semester left before I get my BFA and it has been the biggest waste of time and money. By the time I get my degree I'll be ready to stop drawing.

>> No.4163751

who was in the wrong here

>> No.4163821

>Not autistically hitting Ctrl+S every ten minutes or so
You deserve it desu senpai

>> No.4163846

I made a new one.
Fuck it ima throw it here
Here you go anon how do I know it is you though

>> No.4163974

I feel guilty for drawing anime since it's considered shit tier but it's the most fun to do for me. Doesn't mean I'll ignore all the fundamentals like a pleb though, I still want my art to be good.

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Don't feel guilty man, anime has its own appeal. Those who consider it shit-tier have only been looking at (you guessed it) shitty anime drawings, or nothing at all.

>> No.4164161

Air dry your hair to a certain degree then hair dry it to the lowest setting as the last step

>> No.4164277

Markmaking is bugging me. Should I be trying to get every mark and line perfect out the gate, or should I do that going over a sketch? I usually do some really rough scribbly shit to start out with, but usually when it comes time to do the final version I don't feel at all confident in putting the lines down properly.

I either end up feeling like I'm just doing a contour instead of the form, or, in the other direction, making haphazard marks to feel out the form but ending up with a messy sketch.

>> No.4164655

What's the link between hair health and art senpai

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>> No.4165005

good hair/skin health = good hygene = better self esteem = better motivation to draw or work out = gmi

>> No.4165178

What about all those greasy doujin artists

>> No.4165321

Has anybody else here encountered a similar situation?
Back in high school, I was really into professional wrestling and thus used to draw a lot of half naked, buff dudes. Nobody gave a shit. Simply "wow yeah that looks really cool", you know the things people say. Then, like half a year after I stopped caring about that stuff, a friend decided to be a bit of an invasive cunt and opened my sketchbook to a random page, which happened to be a study of female anatomy. He got all awkward and embarassed and told me he'd never open my sketchbook again.

What is this hypocrisy? Why am I allowed to draw hot sweaty men (and they were absolute barabait I tell ya) and not one single completely unsexualized girl?

>> No.4165692

porn artists don't apply. they're completely driven by their c00m brains

>> No.4166108

Maybe your friend is a MGTOW redditor, who knows

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